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    Veteran Member Three Rings Castor Troy's Avatar
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    My Avant ABZ V8 Swap project

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    After seeing siena do the v8 swap last year, I decided that I wanted to do one too.

    So, first I acquired the following(shown here partially disassembled for timing belt replacement):





    Then, I needed a car for the swap, so I picked this up:




    Last night, we accomplished the following:





    Will hopefully be acquiring the 034 flywheel insert and a southbend clutch/pp, along with VEMS, wiring harness, and fuel rails from EFI Express in the near future.

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    Active Member Three Rings
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    Can't wait to see how this turns out.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings anmagro's Avatar
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    You keeping the second firewall? Looks Great. Hopefully there will be a nice exterior overhall as well.
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    Veteran Member Four Rings JumboBlack1.8's Avatar
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    My favorite kind of swaps......please post a LOT of pics (if you've got the time)....I still dream of throwing a V8 in a B5 at some point
    2000 Audi B5 S6 ** 4.2L 40v S6 6spd - http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...n-s6-4-2L-swap

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    Established Member Two Rings thedudesA4's Avatar
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    Subscribed to this. Looks like a awesome project.
    2000 S4 - rs4 front bumper and B&M short shifter. Otherwise stock and absolutely loving it

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    Veteran Member Three Rings Castor Troy's Avatar
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    These are the long term goals for the car:

    Exterior:
    S4 Front Bumper
    S4 Rear Bumper
    S4 Skirts
    18" Wheels of some sort(the 17" avus wheels are FS if anybody wants em)

    Suspension/Drivetrain:
    01E swap
    S4 uprights in front
    Stern motor and trans mounts (custom brackets for the motor mounts)
    DTS bar
    JHM 6pot brake kit
    Hotchkis swaybar kit
    Rear diff mounts
    Coilovers(not sure which ones)

    Engine:
    2 1/4" off each side going into 2 1/2", back to a rear mounted HX35
    Double stacked headgaskets

    Hopefully I won't need to build the motor any more than that. But we'll see what happens. My goal is 400whp.


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    Veteran Member Three Rings zdriver's Avatar
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    Rear mount as in remote mount HX35 at the rear of the engine i assume? this thing is going to be sick, for a second I thought you were talking remote mount at the rear of the exhaust.. i may be going crazy

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    Veteran Member Three Rings Castor Troy's Avatar
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    maybe somebody knows the answer to this.

    the injectors i want to use dont fit in the intake manifold. the outer diameter of the stock injectors is about the size of a quarter(much bigger than standard sized injectors), vs the injectors i want to use which are the standard size that most other cars use(about the size of a dime?)

    does somebody make adapters so you can use standard injectors for an intake manifold like this? i've done some searching, but havnt come up with anything

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    Veteran Member Four Rings JEmm's Avatar
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    So your doing a rear mount on a 4.2? I saw someone on EA that was going to try to do a rear mounted tt set up with 2 smaller turbos for some good spool times but ended up scrapping the idea. Hopefully you can pull it off man! Would love to see how this turns out. And for any questions regarding the 4.2, I recommend you check euroaddiction.net. They have a really big 4.2 community over there if nothing else ** don't ban me bro!
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    cant wait to c how it works out

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    Veteran Member Three Rings Castor Troy's Avatar
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    thanks guys :)

    yeah, plan is to do a single rear mounted turbo. but, that wont happen till next spring.

    i ordered a timing belt kit from blauparts, which will be here tomorrow. will be sure to get pics of that job, which I hope to do saturday. then we'll bolt it up to the trans and drop all of that in, and start fabbing up brackets for my stern pro mounts.

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    Senior Member Three Rings
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    glad to be of help with this! i truely wish I could have made my car into this... Just wasn't meant to be. So I steal your motor and sell!
    my car is like my own personal universe, she's my drug and it only takes 12 bucks to fill her up.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings onemoremile's Avatar
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    I had planned a very similar setup but with a mid mounted turbo. Depending on the turbo housing's size it may fit where the mid muffler normally sits which would also balance out the weight distribution a bit.

    Best of luck on your project!
    Jim

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    I Do Werk.

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    Veteran Member Three Rings Castor Troy's Avatar
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    also, doesnt this rate being moved to the projects forum?

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    Veteran Member Four Rings onemoremile's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Castor Troy View Post
    also, doesnt this rate being moved to the projects forum?
    it is in the projects subforum.
    Jim

    We cannot achieve the future by being timid. It requires aggressive imagination.

    I Do Werk.

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    Veteran Member Three Rings Castor Troy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoremile View Post
    it is in the projects subforum.
    <3

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    Veteran Member Three Rings 1NaudiA4's Avatar
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    Why the hell would you double stack the head gaskets?

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    Veteran Member Four Rings sean1.8t's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1NaudiA4 View Post
    Why the hell would you double stack the head gaskets?
    Quick and cheap way to lower CR
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    Veteran Member Four Rings JEmm's Avatar
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    Any updates?
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    1naud - neat little trick to raise the boost. lower the cr = more boost



    i am very, VERY, excited to see this all come together

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    question: why are you going with a 6 speed with a rear mount turbo? i think a 01A would be better because of the taller gears.

    what's going on with tuning?

    very nice build in a black avant. makes me think of a black thoroughbred haha. it's been weeks, how about some updates?
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    Veteran Member Three Rings Castor Troy's Avatar
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    we'll see how i like the 5spd. as far as tuning, there is a local shop that has done some pretty ridiculous cars that i am going to have tune it. they have a lot of experience with megatune.

    i hope to have some updates this week. i've been traveling for work for the past 3 weeks, just got back home. i've got the timing belt kit, and am currently working on doing that. should be ordering the clutch, flywheel insert, and some other misc parts, and i already have the stern motor mounts, so i should be able to start making motor mount brackets soon.

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    Updates?
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    Taking the heads off the motor on sunday to do headgaskets etc. Does anybody know if those bolts are stretch bolts, or if they're reusable?

    i ordered the clutch and flywheel, as well as some other misc parts. hopefully purchasing VEMS+harness this week. So it's coming together...

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    Veteran Member Four Rings
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    Quote Originally Posted by Castor Troy View Post
    Taking the heads off the motor on sunday to do headgaskets etc. Does anybody know if those bolts are stretch bolts, or if they're reusable?

    i ordered the clutch and flywheel, as well as some other misc parts. hopefully purchasing VEMS+harness this week. So it's coming together...

    All audi head bolts are stretch i have dealt with. This is mostly just 1.8T stuff tho.

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    2012 S4 Prestige, Titanium, Monsoon gray metallic, DSG. 034 ECU and TCU tunes and other bits.

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    Veteran Member Three Rings Castor Troy's Avatar
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    yeah, i did a little more reading, and just ordered them.

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    Heads will come off tonight and get cleaned up

    in pic #4, the 2 round holes in the PCV sump, whats in them. can i unscrew those and clean that area out?

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    How much boost are you planning?

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    Veteran Member Three Rings Castor Troy's Avatar
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    enough to make 500 wheel :)

    i got the heads off finally (been busy with work etc, somebody's gotta pay for all this shit lol). both head gaskets were blown (leaking oil), so i'm glad i decided to do the headgaskets with the motor outside the car




    heads are going to a shop to get decked if necessary, and then get the valve seals replaced.

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    hows this going?
    1999 Audi A4 Avant 1.8tqm
    JE pistons/ Scat Rods/ Built AEB head (8500rpm)/ GT2871r/ 034 IIc Standalone/
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    I love love love this project. I'm close to doing something like this for my next car
    - Clint

    Current : 2013 Q5 3.0T Prestige S-Line - 11.6@117 - 034 Stage2+ FBO
    Gone : One of the first ever 2.7T Swaps - White '04 S4 2.7T - Stage 2+
    Gone : Fastest B6 A4 ever - 464awhp/12.1@116

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    oh, it goes. i've been busy with work lately and havent had much time to work on this :(

    got my custom fuel rails and harness/ecu from efiexpress a couple weeks ago. engine is basically ready to go back together, will be putting the lower end back together tomorrow night(nothing exciting, just new oil pan/oil pump cover gaskets, main seals, etc). clutch from clutchnet, flywheel insert from 034 arrived a while back as well. i'm working on the motor mount designs as well, will be waterjetted out and tig welded.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings AudiA4_20T's Avatar
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    When you make the motor mounts will you be reproducing them?

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    that is the plan :)

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    I should come check this out. I am in Duluth quite often.
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    you should give me a couple weeks before you do so ;)

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    Work faster! Might be picking up a B5 soon and this is probably the route I'm going
    - Clint

    Current : 2013 Q5 3.0T Prestige S-Line - 11.6@117 - 034 Stage2+ FBO
    Gone : One of the first ever 2.7T Swaps - White '04 S4 2.7T - Stage 2+
    Gone : Fastest B6 A4 ever - 464awhp/12.1@116

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    no pics because i was lazy, but i got the oil pump cover/pulley back on, water pump and thermostat, and did some cleaning of the block. going to harbor freight tomorrow to get a seal puller to remove the 4" diameter rear main seal, and then i can put the oil pans back on.

    heads are gonna go the shop on monday to get cleaned and decked if necessary, and new valve seals installed.

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    Senior Member Two Rings
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    Here is a picture of my Driver side/left mount mock up. I finished it a while back just didn't take any pictures.



    Also this is what I did for the passenger side mount, added a gusset to the top side.


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    very nice. did you use a v6 subframe/engine mounts?

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