Car Tune for C7.5

[Christos]

Hello All,
What car tune you recommend for my 2016 Audi A7 C7.5. I know Intergrated Engineering is one of them but are there any others.
My apologies if this was asked before I tried searching the forums, but I couldn't find a list of tunes.

[ActiveMonkey]

I've run APR, 034, IE and Jackal.

Just go Jackal. Best value, best performance, and definitely the best customer service.

https://jackalmotorsports.com/produc...47878648561955

[Christos]

Thanks for the help definitely going with the Jackal.

[got_boost]

I also recommend Jackal, I had IE and it was good dont get me wrong, but jackal has better throttle response. You won't be disappointed with going with them and yes Matt is very responsive to questions you may have.

[PassionForAudi]

I also recommend Jackal, I had IE and it was good dont get me wrong, but jackal has better throttle response. You won't be disappointed with going with them and yes Matt is very responsive to questions you may have.

My buddy just flashed his ‘17 with iE’s (and running the single pulley option) with the stage 1 91 and the truth, I feel as if it could’ve been better. Don’t know, doesn’t pull as good as I thought it would for the CREC. I’ve heard of some getting up to about 500HP on their E85 map but eh, who knows!


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[Christos]

I also read that E85 can give you that much HP. I live in Michigan and every gas station has 93 so I may get a little more HP then 91. I just ordered the Jackal tune so I am excited to see what a difference it will bring to my car.

[PassionForAudi]

I also read that E85 can give you that much HP. I live in Michigan and every gas station has 93 so I may get a little more HP then 91. I just ordered the Jackal tune so I am excited to see what a difference it will bring to my car.

Best of results, man. I’ve heard of nothing but good things from others that are running Jackal’s product. Sadly, they don’t have anything out for the SQ7 just yet (I’m assuming that soccer mommies are content with stock numbers on these 7 seaters) and won’t be a huge sell for them but at the end of the day I’m sure that they’ll come up with something…


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[ActiveMonkey]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UZv1A9H0jHQ

You're showing a B8/B8.5 S4 with a completely different engine and transmission. Are you intentionally posting videos of a car he doesn't have?

Here's my 2016 A6 stage 2 e85 (Jackal) full weight + 200lbs of cargo + 450lbs of people in the car.
On our 14 hour road trip, i was able to find some nice roads to do some runs.

[magn2o]

I've run APR, 034, IE and Jackal.

Just go Jackal. Best value, best performance, and definitely the best customer service.

https://jackalmotorsports.com/produc...47878648561955

Might be worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJ5HNcTl-Q

[ActiveMonkey]

I've watched it. They are talking about the b8/B8.5 S4/S5 engine and trans not the CREC and ZF8.

I've run both 034 and Jackal CREC tunes and only 034 gave me issues. 034 did not have their logger built at the time and they didn't know when it would be built. So when their ECU and TCU tune wasn't working right, they suggested using VAGCOM to datalog. When i experience the issues with the 034 tune email support was taking 4-7 days each way. With this pace of correspondence, i felt it was unreasonable to wait weeks to potentially get the issue resolved and returned the tunes.

Alternatively, when ever I've needed any assistance from Jackal, they have gotten back to me in minutes.

I have driven the piss out of my car for ~100k miles. Hundreds upon hundreds of launches, dozens of 2000+ mile road trips, stage 1 through stage 2+, only thing i have not done to it yet is a ported blower (one day soon) and jackal has been a fantastic partner to work with.

I've tried working with 034's service team (Fremont location) in the past on a few cars and it has never been a good result. Maybe it would be different if i drone an RS6 or if i had 1 million followers on ______ social media platform, but i've never felt like my business mattered or like they gave a crap. And it's just so damn disappointing too. 034 makes some damn good products. No question about it. I'm running their motor mounts, rear sway bar, density line front control arm kit just to name a few. I love boosting and recommending good companies. 034 has time and time again let me does on nearly every single interaction regarding any issue or service. I still buy 034 parts, but i'll buy them from JHM or from someone else if i can in any way do so just to avoid 034's customer service.

[Christos]

Honestly, we have to wait and see what Matt says and hopefully shine some light on the situation. I don't know much about tunes so that is why I ask the community who they preferred so I went with Jackal. Regardless if 034 is correct or not they're more professional ways to handle this and posting on social media is a low blow. 034 should've contact Jackal and explaining their concerns and then go from there.

[exorcet]

I watched the video and they basically said "this is what ours and most other's tunes looked like in 2015/2016". So while a 'critique' of bad practices they admit to those practices themselves.

If I owned a B8 with DSG I might be concerned with the 'ecu/tcu' communication maps that are causing clutch slip/hunting delays -- but I too have a CREC with ZF8. I switched from IE to Jackal and the trans is so much smoother/consistent in both D and S and M, and AMAX compared to IE. I literally thought i needed a driveshaft carrier with the IE tune then flashed to Jackal and was like 'oh shit - no everything feels perfectly fine' because the hunting/bucking and what seemed like mis-timed shifts at part throttle were gone with the Jackal tune.

I'm interested to see if Matt chimes in on CREC/ZF8 tune. I don't care about knock sensors 10% desensitized. There are a few that if taken out of loop (MAP/boost pressure, etc) might be concerning on 'edge' cases -- note 034 was always "asterisking" the risk requirements with "EDGE CASES". I love 034 products too and I have no doubt theirs is the most refined for B8/DSG.

Note, I was not displeased with IE tune -- it was their E85 that was especially finicky and required adding 91 octane / lowering to E70ish to run without limp mode at full throttle low DA low temperature (max HP) situations, and even without hitting limp power seemed very intermittent. Maybe that's a 'safety system' but it seemed extra sensitive. I've only had Jackal over the summer so will be interested to see once temps drop into the 60's and power is maximized. I don't do back-to-back pulls or extended high RPM high heat situations but if I did i might be slightly more concerned about some of the potentially disabled 'safety' systems.

Both offer good customer service. Jackal is good value and I don't foresee it blowing up my engine or exploding my transmission -- nothing seems "off" at all about it. Will be interesting to hear what Matt says.

Most here are performance enthusiasts and know the risks not just with adding power mods, but with even with Audi themselves (oil breather/PCV burning oil, leaking coolant into cylinders, S6 turbo oil screens, piston rings installed upside down, TDI scandal, etc etc). If you don't understand this is all "pay-to-play" then you're probably in for a big expensive surprise at some point.

[Patrick Matte]

You're showing a B8/B8.5 S4 with a completely different engine and transmission. Are you intentionally posting videos of a car he doesn't have?

Here's my 2016 A6 stage 2 e85 (Jackal) full weight + 200lbs of cargo + 450lbs of people in the car.
On our 14 hour road trip, i was able to find some nice roads to do some runs.

Empty your truck, no passengers and show us how Jackal can move that thing buddy :)

Have you logged your car?


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[Hurricane17]

Hello All,
What car tune you recommend for my 2016 Audi A7 C7.5. I know Intergrated Engineering is one of them but are there any others.
My apologies if this was asked before I tried searching the forums, but I couldn't find a list of tunes.

Jackal is going to be the best bang for your buck. Also probably one of the better tunes out there as well, despite what other tuners have claimed recently.

Just took my car to stage 1 on a Jackal tune and it’s a night and day difference. Highly recommend it.


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[STXA7]

I watched the video and they basically said "this is what ours and most other's tunes looked like in 2015/2016". So while a 'critique' of bad practices they admit to those practices themselves.

If I owned a B8 with DSG I might be concerned with the 'ecu/tcu' communication maps that are causing clutch slip/hunting delays -- but I too have a CREC with ZF8. I switched from IE to Jackal and the trans is so much smoother/consistent in both D and S and M, and AMAX compared to IE. I literally thought i needed a driveshaft carrier with the IE tune then flashed to Jackal and was like 'oh shit - no everything feels perfectly fine' because the hunting/bucking and what seemed like mis-timed shifts at part throttle were gone with the Jackal tune.

I'm interested to see if Matt chimes in on CREC/ZF8 tune. I don't care about knock sensors 10% desensitized. There are a few that if taken out of loop (MAP/boost pressure, etc) might be concerning on 'edge' cases -- note 034 was always "asterisking" the risk requirements with "EDGE CASES". I love 034 products too and I have no doubt theirs is the most refined for B8/DSG.

Note, I was not displeased with IE tune -- it was their E85 that was especially finicky and required adding 91 octane / lowering to E70ish to run without limp mode at full throttle low DA low temperature (max HP) situations, and even without hitting limp power seemed very intermittent. Maybe that's a 'safety system' but it seemed extra sensitive. I've only had Jackal over the summer so will be interested to see once temps drop into the 60's and power is maximized. I don't do back-to-back pulls or extended high RPM high heat situations but if I did i might be slightly more concerned about some of the potentially disabled 'safety' systems.

Both offer good customer service. Jackal is good value and I don't foresee it blowing up my engine or exploding my transmission -- nothing seems "off" at all about it. Will be interesting to hear what Matt says.

Most here are performance enthusiasts and know the risks not just with adding power mods, but with even with Audi themselves (oil breather/PCV burning oil, leaking coolant into cylinders, S6 turbo oil screens, piston rings installed upside down, TDI scandal, etc etc). If you don't understand this is all "pay-to-play" then you're probably in for a big expensive surprise at some point.

everything you say about the asterisking and the fact that we are not talking about dsg is spot on. The only 'value added' features in the higher 034 price that you might not have entirely weighed are the functions built in to the dynamic+ tuning software like adaptations for the various modules. If you can get 034 to offer you a discount that brings them closer to the jackal price, it would be easier to justify the premium.

they have mentioned in the last 2 live streams that there will be a major CREC revision dropping soon and stage 2 dropping too. They also developed the clutch delete for CREC which again you did mention they have good hardware. I won't deny that i'm a 034 nutswinger, but don't need to criticize jackal ( a product i've never owned or driven ) so i will only mention the positives i'm aware of for 034

To the point of us being on zf8, i think that it has proven to be a strong transmission even on non-audi vehicles so that should reduce any concerns from the 'bad practices' in the jackal tcu tune if they are present on their zf8 tune.

Really I think that jackal can survive this 'drama' if they continue radio silence / not feeding into the topic by engaging and let it die down. They can update their tune to 'fix' what 034 pointed out and if they learned anything new from the video like the 'ratio table' which 034 mockingly suggested that jackal might not have been aware of them. Let's not forget the non-linear throttle mapping that means you get 100% throttle before pressing pedal down to 100% with your foot. The currently .1 second faster jackal tune could turn into a .2-.5 faster tune than 034,anything is possible.

Just like with american politics, there's very little that the candidate you don't currently support can do to get you to switch sides. some jackal users suggest that jackal's criticisms actually 'forced' 034 to improve their tcu tune ( which they claim was in developing for a long time in their live streams, you choose if you believe them or not ). One thing is for certain, the consumers are ultimately benefiting from the presence of multiple competing tuners that want to offer the 'best' product. your criteria for 'best' can be based on dollar to horsepower ratio , perceived customer support quality,brand image/reputation, butt dyno, real dyno, fake dyno charts,total available budget, emotions, what your friend's already have etc.

I find it funny how on every single component on these cars people will caution you to not buy the cheaper option whether it's spark plugs, control arms, suspension parts, braking components, etc. I can't fault people for wanting to save 30% off their tune price , but i do have to wonder why they're tuning their car if they can't afford the extra 300-500 dollars. Just a liquimoly oil change runs 100 dollars , most of us will do 2-3 of those within 12 months of ownership, you might be able to get enough for a coolant drain and refill as well but that's about it

[wootwoot]

034 came out with their updated tune for CREC stage 2, it looks pretty good.

https://www.034motorsport.com/034mot...os-16-ecu.html

[wootwoot]

Looks like 034 took down their stage 2 info but I had it cached in my browser. These are the numbers they were advertising for CREC stage 2.

Stage 2 91: 471 HP / 442 TQ
Stage 2 93: 491 HP / 454 TQ
Stage 2 100: 522 HP / 471 TQ
Stage 2 E85: 575 HP / 498 TQ

[ActiveMonkey]

Looks like 034 took down their stage 2 info but I had it cached in my browser. These are the numbers they were advertising for CREC stage 2.

Stage 2 91: 471 HP / 442 TQ
Stage 2 93: 491 HP / 454 TQ
Stage 2 100: 522 HP / 471 TQ
Stage 2 E85: 575 HP / 498 TQ

So they are claiming an extra 50hp and 60tq over Integrated Engineering's stage 2 e85 tune? I'd love to see some real world dyno sheets.

[exorcet]

Yeah crank vs wheel vs heartbreaker dyno vs feelgood dyno... lots of variables.

[jackals]

The jackal tune comes with both ecu and tcu tune?