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    2006 B7 S4 manual transmission & differential oils change & questions

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    I just bought a neglected S4 for restoration with 56,00 miles. I need to change fluids and aftter research I am still unclear as to (i) how many diffferentials there are which require the fluid? I understand that the trans. and front diff. are one unit which uses the same fluid and the rear diff. which uses a different spec. fluid. Is this correct? is there a center diff. ? doest it require fluid? and, (ii) which spec/ brand fluid to use where. I got 4 liters of OE gear oil part No. G-502-911-A2 for the trans. and 2 liters of Liqui Moly SAE 75W-90 GL4/5 Fully Synthetic Hypoid Gera Oil for the rear diff. Y need to be sure these are correct for each use or correct before going forward. Your knowledge and advice would be greatly appreciated.

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    I strongly suggest - # one, get your hands on the OEM Bentley AUDI Service Manual for your specific vehicle - yes, it will cover others.
    Second - only use VW/Audi Genuine Fluids, period.
    If that 56K mi is real - once you get ALL the engine/drivetrain/CV's "Cleaned-out" - (may take some "cycling thru" to get there) - if it leak test/comp tests - you have a "keeper".
    Also - Chevron Techron after you have gotten all the bad/cheap-ass fuel out !
    Then - Only run Chevron or Shell - from a quality station with a lot of business!

    Good Luck WB

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    Thanks for the reply!

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    You're Welcome.

    A few other things:
    Coolant: VW/Audi, has admitted, the G13 has issues with "speration" - stay with G12.
    Spark Plugs: Factory put in NGK "nickel" prongs, with "platinum coating" - nix those, go to "All platinum" NKG Authentic, beware of counterfits ! Big time.
    Oil level, change, use: Only - do on dead-ass flat slab! The oil pan has the profile of a cookie sheet. Use a fluid evacuator to suck the oil out thru the dip stick pipe. Put a slight lift on the right-rear of the vehicle to tip all the pan oil to the dip stick pipe - double check by, pulling the drain plug, (you'll see why - should be not even a drip!) Take a pipe-cleaner, bend it to stick up in the drain hole, then sweep the bent leg around the oil pan bottom - see what you get, black crap... use as many as needed. (First step, to getting as much bad oil out, before you start the cycling process.
    Hengst or VW/Audi genuine filter cartridges - only, new o-ring and crush washer on drain plug - stay with spec. torques - only. Castrol 5w40 Syntech - only.
    RPMs: The engine torque curve, max is say 3.6K, the "valve train magic" is at 4.2K, there is no point in exceeding 6K! (the engine is so quick to jump, it may be hard to keep, so a fade to 6.5K - OK. Want a detonation issue - push it 7K/redline - you'll regret it!
    The 4.2 V8, is the "it" of this Audi - restored from neglect properly it is one hell of an engine.
    Get that oil system fully cleaned out - besides the life blood - dirt in it is the "chains death"...
    Speaking from Special Order to Delivery to present day + 150K mi... nearly all highway miles...

    WB

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    Quote Originally Posted by WileyBrill View Post
    Oil level, change, use: Only - do on dead-ass flat slab!
    WB
    Are you saying that I can not change my oil using race ramps (at an incline)?

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    Thanks again for the help! A S4 B7, and specially a manual, is extremely rare down here in Mexico, and what I want to do is to enjoy saving this car from the scrapyard slowly. I know I might spend 60-70K in doing it and it does not make financial sense, but it is the enjoyment of the trip! I do not do the work myself; two certified Audi mechanics come to my garage to work on the car on weekends. We are begining by changing all fluids, all filters and all consumables such as sparkplugs, injectors and ignition coils. At the same time changhing all evidently broken components such as about 10 electrical conectors (including all coil connectors), oil pan, head gaskets, central gaskets, PCV valve, pulleys, water pump, vacum hoses,etc. I have already purchased all parts and will use OE parts and components in principle, although I will use Liqui Molly on rear differential and Liqui Molly e5-W40 Leitchtlauf engine oil. All suspension arms, busshings, springs and shocks will follow. Then brakes, and so on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofSenna View Post
    Are you saying that I can not change my oil using race ramps (at an incline)?
    NO! The B7 2006 4.2 engine, like I said, is as flat and shallow as a "cookie sheet" ! To use the drain plug on the bottom and get as full of a drain as possible, via this means - the vehicle MUST BE LEVEL!.

    The beauty of the extraction method, (which still requires Dead Ass Flat slab/vehicle - by slightly tipping the right rear of vehicle up - the oil flows to the dip stick opening - which allows the extraction tube to suck up every bit of used oil out...

    WB

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    Same goes for checking oil level - which in this engine, you are going to keep a close eye on! They "use" oil ! The ONLY way to get an accurate read on oil level from a dip stick read - 6-10 after full run, wait, (synthetic oil expands with heat of use), wait for the drain down - then have/verify with a level - the slab is level/flat !
    FYI - I carry a 12" torpedo level on road trips to verify and compensate the read when at a service station - few have flat slabs at the pumps!

    WB

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    Quote Originally Posted by WileyBrill View Post
    NO! The B7 2006 4.2 engine, like I said, is as flat and shallow as a "cookie sheet" ! To use the drain plug on the bottom and get as full of a drain as possible, via this means - the vehicle MUST BE LEVEL!.

    The beauty of the extraction method, (which still requires Dead Ass Flat slab/vehicle - by slightly tipping the right rear of vehicle up - the oil flows to the dip stick opening - which allows the extraction tube to suck up every bit of used oil out...

    WB
    Super helpful to a new guy. THANK YOU
    Last edited by GhostofSenna; 06-12-2024 at 07:29 PM.

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    You're welcome - "but wait there's more..." Seriously - the B7 S4 4.2 be it sedan, cabriolet or avant - all very special vehicles, with special "needs", but extremely rewarding, (example: B8 the lengthend the wheel base - no fun in that !)
    If you are serious about DIY maint - # 0ne - get the OEM Bentley Audi Factory Service Manual...

    WB

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    Quote Originally Posted by WileyBrill View Post
    You're Welcome.

    A few other things:
    Coolant: VW/Audi, has admitted, the G13 has issues with "speration" - stay with G12.
    Spark Plugs: Factory put in NGK "nickel" prongs, with "platinum coating" - nix those, go to "All platinum" NKG Authentic, beware of counterfits ! Big time.
    Oil level, change, use: Only - do on dead-ass flat slab! The oil pan has the profile of a cookie sheet. Use a fluid evacuator to suck the oil out thru the dip stick pipe. Put a slight lift on the right-rear of the vehicle to tip all the pan oil to the dip stick pipe - double check by, pulling the drain plug, (you'll see why - should be not even a drip!) Take a pipe-cleaner, bend it to stick up in the drain hole, then sweep the bent leg around the oil pan bottom - see what you get, black crap... use as many as needed. (First step, to getting as much bad oil out, before you start the cycling process.
    Hengst or VW/Audi genuine filter cartridges - only, new o-ring and crush washer on drain plug - stay with spec. torques - only. Castrol 5w40 Syntech - only.
    RPMs: The engine torque curve, max is say 3.6K, the "valve train magic" is at 4.2K, there is no point in exceeding 6K! (the engine is so quick to jump, it may be hard to keep, so a fade to 6.5K - OK. Want a detonation issue - push it 7K/redline - you'll regret it!
    The 4.2 V8, is the "it" of this Audi - restored from neglect properly it is one hell of an engine.
    Get that oil system fully cleaned out - besides the life blood - dirt in it is the "chains death"...
    Speaking from Special Order to Delivery to present day + 150K mi... nearly all highway miles...

    WB
    Source on the separation of the G13 coolant?

    I use Bosch 4 prong spark plugs and liquimoly 5w-40. You might want to consider 0w-40 since you are in mexico and get the oil flush stuff

    I heard OEM or Fuchs is the friendliest to the gears and you don't want to use anything else
    Current: 2014 Audi S4, 2005 S4
    Past: 2001 S4, 2006 S4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    Thanks again for the help! A S4 B7, and specially a manual, is extremely rare down here in Mexico, and what I want to do is to enjoy saving this car from the scrapyard slowly. I know I might spend 60-70K in doing it and it does not make financial sense, but it is the enjoyment of the trip! I do not do the work myself; two certified Audi mechanics come to my garage to work on the car on weekends. We are begining by changing all fluids, all filters and all consumables such as sparkplugs, injectors and ignition coils. At the same time changhing all evidently broken components such as about 10 electrical conectors (including all coil connectors), oil pan, head gaskets, central gaskets, PCV valve, pulleys, water pump, vacum hoses,etc. I have already purchased all parts and will use OE parts and components in principle, although I will use Liqui Molly on rear differential and Liqui Molly e5-W40 Leitchtlauf engine oil. All suspension arms, busshings, springs and shocks will follow. Then brakes, and so on!
    I would recommend doing the timing chain guides, since that will inevitably fail and then you'll have to re-do a lot of you're doing now
    Current: 2014 Audi S4, 2005 S4
    Past: 2001 S4, 2006 S4

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    Quote Originally Posted by ngood1 View Post
    Source on the separation of the G13 coolant?

    I use Bosch 4 prong spark plugs and liquimoly 5w-40. You might want to consider 0w-40 since you are in mexico and get the oil flush stuff

    I heard OEM or Fuchs is the friendliest to the gears and you don't want to use anything else
    The word, I was told, a few years back - VW/Audi found that the turbo charged engine of that time period/slightly before, had "experienced" - coolant seperation with G13, which was the OEM VW/Audi, coolant from the factory - no one got specific, but out here in AZ, you can imagein, that being a serious problem...
    So, the "Dealers" VW & Audi, were "shelving G12", puting G13 out to pasture - at that time.

    In my case - my S4, was due for a fluid replacement, (by my standards), but when I heard this info, I had already, "upgraded" to G13, back when I did the replacement, so was just getting, "top-off", for slight level drop I had observed - so I had to hunt around - finding one, (with dust), at a VW Dealership... That's the best I can offer.

    As for sparkplugs - Audi put both Bosch and NGK plugs in the 4.2 engine at the factory, (Yugoslavia I think), mine came with NGK, (platinum "plated" nickle - four (4) prongs.
    Being an OEM Original guy and that at 50K, an Audi Dealer changed them the first go round, I wasn't aware, the the ALL Platinum, was even available, let alone that NGK, specifically, recommended the pure platinum for the 4.2 S4 B7 engine...
    At 96K, I had a catastrophic, 7K rpm, detonation, that sent the pre-cat guts into the secondary cat on bank 2, (left side). Still under extended Warr. the Audi Dealer, put their "Master Tech" on the causal hunt - that was an absolute cluster-fuck from Hell, they "tried" the "throw shit at the wall see what sticks" - new plugs, (nickle), rotated the coils, (on which all eight, were replaced at 77K, under Warr/recall/Service Bullitin), fuel injectors switches, (no new seals I might add) - they could not find the source of the left bank 8-6 cylinder mis-fires - F'n IDIOTS!

    An independant shop - found the "cat blows", to be the cause...

    My regular machanic and I replaced the whole cat assembly, both banks, with ALL OEM Original cats and parts... But, didn't change the NGK nickle/OEM "Genuine" spark plugs.

    All, fine, good - now Like a brand new car engine - no engine damage, luckily..

    Until 135K, out of nowhere, driving the freeway, got caught between gears in a situation, that forced a "lug", (2K rpm, gas push on...) Sure as Shit - flooded, the engine w/ too much fuel!
    Poof - cat failures, both banks...

    There is an interim, story, I'll leave - which involves an independant shop, mistakenly, failing at trying to fit a Magnaflow cat system instead of VW/Audi OEM Genuine - another cluster Fuck!

    So, again, my mechanic & I, got a whole new set of OEM Genuine cat assemblies and parts - and did the Work our selves.
    By now - I had contacted NGK, tech in MI - that, is where I got - NGK Factory spec. of ALL/Pure Platinum, for my engine.
    Since 136 K to now 157 K - even from the get go - the engine has performed, flaulessly and noticably better than with the nickles.

    My mechanic and I deduced - what may have induced the first cat fails was Dealer OverFills at the 5K Dealer oil changes - an ABSOLUTE NO NO! I didn't know then, what I know now...
    NEVER, check oil level on any un-level surface, both directions, and always check after a 6-10 min. drain down... Cold oil checks are Worthless - synthetic fluids expand with heat...

    As for engine oil - I found out, the hard way, not all Audi Dealers were using Castrol Syntech, on S4 Dealer oil changes - but they did on R8s !
    When I found out - I had to, drive to an AutoZone and get 10 qts. and hold one (1) back, because by then, I had become aware - how critical level oil changes were, (even on "lifts"), level of the engine may not occur, so the drain plug method, would not, fully drain the pan !
    So, the dumb-ass tech, would just fill the 9.5 qts, and not know what the Hell he/she was doing - Dealer oil changes are by the "lowest on the totem pole - techs"...

    So, since then - even, since, I & my mechanic do the 5K oil changes, on a lift too. I hadn't yet got to the value of the fluid extractor... (A MUST BY NOW!)

    We also, suspected the over-fills, over time, had "plugged the cats" , because the 4.2 "uses oil"...

    Faced with, "away from home", 5k oil change intervals - I investigated the fluid extractor - Mytevac, (sp).
    Once I got one, my mechanic and I did a test - at the next change, we - first, used the extractor, using the right rear slight lift on a level slab, worked great...
    Then, we pulled the plastic belly pan, oiled the drain plug - NOT ONE SINGLE DRIP of oil, came out ! He was shocked! I was convinced - this was the only way to go...

    I've since, on my own, done the 5K oil changes on my realively level slab at home or wherever - verifying with my torpedo level, using the extractor.
    The extraction oil is dirty as hell - but now three/four done - the oil coloration, throughout the 5K duration is , really clean each time I check - ever two (2) weeks, after a local "run", or at each gas fill if traveling/ and adding as needed.

    I also, keep the level on the stick, about 1/8" above the top of the lower orange plastic tip on the stick.

    We figured, the rings on the engine are very thin - thus the using occurs when the engine is cold start to full warm up time - so, never start it, unless you are going to highway drive it 30 min. minimum. Seriously, it takes that long, on the highway, to really get there - screw the "gauges"...

    Castrol Syntech, was Factory OEM Genuine - that has been my, standard - period!

    WB

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