Retrofit Ceramic Brakes onto RS6 Performance?

[CanuckRS]

This is the one thing stopping me from pulling the trigger.
I love the new lightweight wheels, 5kg weight reduction per wheel is amazing BUT the car is gaining around 10kg per corner by not having ceramic brakes. Seems like a bad trade-off, adding 5kg per corner with all the downsides of conventional brakes. ie., short lifespan, crazy dust on those nice perf wheels.
Perhaps I can swap my ceramics onto the new performance model and then sell the standard version with standard brakes.

[the_otto_cycle]

Why not just get the performance wheels for your non performance RS6 ? The performance version doesn't have much over the non-performance. 30 hp is easily gained aftermarket or maybe someone will crack the stock tune as all the gains in the RS6 performance are from software .

[two+2]

This is the one thing stopping me from pulling the trigger.
I love the new lightweight wheels, 5kg weight reduction per wheel is amazing BUT the car is gaining around 10kg per corner by not having ceramic brakes. Seems like a bad trade-off, adding 5kg per corner with all the downsides of conventional brakes. ie., short lifespan, crazy dust on those nice perf wheels.
Perhaps I can swap my ceramics onto the new performance model and then sell the standard version with standard brakes.

You can do that of course. Just that the equipment associated with your current VIN will now have a discrepancy. Not sure how many people check this in reality.

[CanuckRS]

When it's time to sell dealers always play down the ceramics for value so no big deal here i think.
There is a lot more to the performance than just 30hp and wheels. updated transmission, differential etc...
The wheels are also 10K for the set alone, plus I'd like another colour vehicle.

[montoya]

^I just bought a set for less than 6K

[mike cip]

Less than $5k from my dealer in July

[KRS Aaron]

Parts by Topher has them for $1400/wheel

[georgy]

Less than $5k from my dealer in July

You bought the new 2024 performance wheels from your dealer for less than 5k??

[mike cip]

Yes Audi of west Chester. I also bought the car there in February

[STALKER]

You bought the new 2024 performance wheels from your dealer for less than 5k??

Best time to negotiate for spare set of wheels or winter set is when purchasing your car. Tell them you want winter set or spare set at their cost. They usually won’t but should over you a good discount. That’s my approach for winter wheels/tires.

[suffeks]

u can configure 2024 rsq8 and add carbon brakes in configurator, they are the same size as rs6

I assume matter of time before they update rs6 configurator

never believed the shortages bs, there was another reason...

[RMode]

u can configure 2024 rsq8 and add carbon brakes in configurator, they are the same size as rs6

I assume matter of time before they update rs6 configurator

never believed the shortages bs, there was another reason...

The reason was actually shortages. There’s no conspiracy. It was well known this was coming down the pike by those inside Audi.


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[CanuckRS]

u can configure 2024 rsq8 and add carbon brakes in configurator, they are the same size as rs6

I assume matter of time before they update rs6 configurator

never believed the shortages bs, there was another reason...

I never checked the RSQ8. That's crazy that they don't offer them now on the halo car RS6, only on the SUV.

[suffeks]

The reason was actually shortages. There’s no conspiracy. It was well known this was coming down the pike by those inside Audi.

The SQ8 and RS6 do not have the same size brakes


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i said rsq8, you say still smaller? porsche ppl say the pads changed less copper more eco friendly and these new pads were having issues

in europe u can add carbons to sq8, rs6, etc no problems here

[Group_B]

I'm not seeing a 2024 RSQ8 configurator on the US site. It's absent compared with other models.
In any case, none have been built with ceramics and the order guide does not offer them.

[suffeks]

check canada the sq8, rsq8 2024 are online

[RMode]

i said rsq8, you say still smaller? porsche ppl say the pads changed less copper more eco friendly and these new pads were having issues

in europe u can add carbons to sq8, rs6, etc no problems here

This is what happens when there are shortages of components. There’s only so much to go around and Audi AG dictates who gets what. Other brands have experienced similar things with CCB’s, and other components.

It’s the natural result when manufacturers outsource more and more things - you’re at the mercy of third parties.

I don’t know what the take rate was on such brakes. I can tell you only anecdotally during my time there it was small.


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[suffeks]

nope i still dont buy a shortage reason, esp with them shutting down factories and car orders are cooling off the past year. unless brembo has factories in ukraine or gaza haha. brembo put out a statement saying they are not having any issues with carbon brakes so this internet rumour im not buying sorry.

once rs6 gets ceramics i will buy one, in the mean time i have no problem waiting... for a discount on top LOL

[RMode]

nope i still dont buy a shortage reason, esp with them shutting down factories and car orders are cooling off the past year. unless brembo has factories in ukraine or gaza haha. brembo put out a statement saying they are not having any issues with carbon brakes so this internet rumour im not buying sorry.

Ok

I was on the conference calls last year. So I know what was said on those calls. Believe whatever you wish. But this was in the US. No idea what is offered/not offered etc elsewhere in the world.


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[rnlabas]

nope i still dont buy a shortage reason, esp with them shutting down factories and car orders are cooling off the past year. unless brembo has factories in ukraine or gaza haha. brembo put out a statement saying they are not having any issues with carbon brakes so this internet rumour im not buying sorry.

once rs6 gets ceramics i will buy one, in the mean time i have no problem waiting... for a discount on top LOL

Well get ready for MY25 then - that's the EARLIEST AoA will be offering them on anything other that the RS GT - this is from AoA - doesn't matter the reason, shortages, re-priorities of markets, or alien abductions - just the FACTS from the importer and their supply side logistics...which have stated that they won't be available in the US market until then. Their reason to us was simple : supply to the US market is limited - stop. Read, write, say, believe whatever else pleases you, you're allowed.

[CanuckRS]

Yes, there is HUGE conspiracy at Audi AG to NOT sell us 10K brakes! Oh, the humanity!

[georgy]

How are you guys driving on the street to "need" the CCBs? I get that they don't dust but apart from that and the cool factor, I don't get it. The regular steel brakes already have insane stopping power.

[Corgiman30]

How are you guys driving on the street to "need" the CCBs? I get that they don't dust but apart from that and the cool factor, I don't get it. The regular steel brakes already have insane stopping power.

You have a point but the no brake dust and lighter unsprung weight are quite noticeable and add to the enjoyment of the car.

[FBAnder]

How are you guys driving on the street to "need" the CCBs? I get that they don't dust but apart from that and the cool factor, I don't get it. The regular steel brakes already have insane stopping power.

Steelies are also still very expensive to replace and 30k miles seems about max before replace time. Aftermarket options still pretty scarce unless you really dig or build to order and at that point dealer cost won't be that much higher. One full steelie brake job (FR pads and rotors) is in the same ballpark as the cost of the CCB option (before it vanished).

[STALKER]

It’s odd that on the Canadian configurator ceramics are still available for the RSQ8, $10,500 option.

I’m assuming it’s the same set up as the RS6.

Possible to have something to do since it’s essentially same car as the Urus? Lower production then RS6?

Strange decision by Audi Canada.

[LittleDevil]

Audi RSQ8 Ceramics (front discs and front calipers) are little different than on Audi RS6 C8...

[STALKER]

Audi RSQ8 Ceramics (front discs and front calipers) are little different than on Audi RS6 C8...

Didn’t know that. Thanks for the clarification.
Do you happen to know specifics?

[LittleDevil]

Didn’t know that. Thanks for the clarification.
Do you happen to know specifics?

They have different hats (different height of the disc; "ET"), calipers are without holders, they bolt directly on wheel bearing housing on RSQ8.... Still can't use RS6 C8 calipers on RSQ8 even if you remove caliper holder, you need to make custom spacers to make them fit...

URUS also have different ceramics, different hats, different bolt pattern....

[Nickos1]

Was hoping they'd become avail on the RS6p. Looks like I'm holding off until MY25 after all.

[Shawn@PacificGerman]

Ceramics are a great thing to have on these cars. Less brake dust, lighter weight (faster acceleration) but also cheaper long term cost of ownership. The steel brakes are crazy expensive to replace, we are seeing guys go through pads and rotors every 15-25k depending on how cars are driven. Call your dealer for a quote, its nuts.

We have been able to import a few sets of OEM ceramic brake conversions for RS6s. We can also source aftermarket Carbobrake ceramic conversions. These retain your existing calipers, and its a simple pad and rotor conversion. We've tested these for over a year now with great experiences. If anyone is interested, drop me a line.

[CanuckRS]

12K to replace rotors and pads for steel?
That's more than the cost of CCB in the first place which will last 3-4 times longer or so they say.
Has anyone here had to replace ccb rotors and pads? If so, what was the mileage?

[RMode]

12K to replace rotors and pads for steel?
That's more than the cost of CCB in the first place which will last 3-4 times longer or so they say.
Has anyone here had to replace ccb rotors and pads? If so, what was the mileage?

That’s assuming you don’t get an impact to a disk that renders it useless. I had to replace 2 disks on my former GTR. I promptly converted back to steel after event #2, and never looked back. Much like an RS6, it’s heavy car, and nothing changed dramatically on the performance side. Nothing is a cure all, it’s different means to largely the same end.


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[CanuckRS]

Nope, never had an impact on many vehicles with ceramic brakes.
Steel would make sense on this car if steel prices were reasonable, but that isn't the case at all it seems.

[RMode]

Nope, never had an impact on many vehicles with ceramic brakes.
Steel would make sense on this car if steel prices were reasonable, but that isn't the case at all it seems.

Ok
I never had to do an IMS on a 911, or timing chains on my B7 S4, but I imagine those who have would have that concern.

You’ll see further aftermarket developments on the brake part side as time goes on.

The brake parts costs aren’t atypically expensive for steel. In-line with typical high end BBK costs. Perhaps Audis labor hrs by the book is a lot, idk. I’m sure a good indy is far less, and brakes are hardly complex to change


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[NickH]

Dealer told me $39K in parts + $8K in labor to convert my car to CCB upon delivery. Didn't bother asking for the formal written quote. Parts were 4 calipers, 4 brackets, 4 discs, full set of pads and the master cylinder. Europrice sells the OEM conversion for something like low 30s. Not sure what Pacific German charges. I have never changed a master cylinder so I am not sure how tricky that is (and its impact to the labor estimate) but I have done many brake jobs and would never spend that labor money. If the master cylinder is difficult (might require VCDS or scan tool to prime?) I'd do everything else myself and have the dealer finish that last piece. The brake dust benefits alone are worth a lot to me personally, but not ~1/3rd the price of the car.

[Corgiman30]

Dealer told me $39K in parts + $8K in labor to convert my car to CCB upon delivery. Didn't bother asking for the formal written quote. Parts were 4 calipers, 4 brackets, 4 discs, full set of pads and the master cylinder. Europrice sells the OEM conversion for something like low 30s. Not sure what Pacific German charges. I have never changed a master cylinder so I am not sure how tricky that is (and its impact to the labor estimate) but I have done many brake jobs and would never spend that labor money. If the master cylinder is difficult (might require VCDS or scan tool to prime?) I'd do everything else myself and have the dealer finish that last piece. The brake dust benefits alone are worth a lot to me personally, but not ~1/3rd the price of the car.

Insane

[georgy]

Nope, never had an impact on many vehicles with ceramic brakes.
Steel would make sense on this car if steel prices were reasonable, but that isn't the case at all it seems.

Audi Canada sells wear and tear replacement package that includes all rotors and pads for like $2500 CAD and it's valid for 4 years. If that's not reasonable I don't know what is?

[NickH]

From the C8 classifieds

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...-BLUE-Calipers

[CanuckRS]

Audi Canada sells wear and tear replacement package that includes all rotors and pads for like $2500 CAD and it's valid for 4 years. If that's not reasonable I don't know what is?

That's news to me, I have never been offered that kind of package before.
Apparently it's only available for leased vehicles though.

[georgy]

That's news to me, I have never been offered that kind of package before.
Apparently it's only available for leased vehicles though.

No I just picked up my car 1 month ago and paid cash for it. Might be something new but it's currently available for vehicles with steel brakes only. They'll probably offer it when your new car arrives, if not, ask for it.