2019 Audi RS5 SB - Oil Type

[Chelo2010]

Hi Guys- very confused on the correct oil type for RS5 b9. When doing research online ppl say to use 5W-30, while the dealership says to use 0W-30. What are you guys using? When I googled Castrol equivalent to VW 504 they are saying "Castrol EDGE 5W-30 LL is approved for use in vehicles that require a VW 504 00 / 507 00" so once using the 5W-30 vs 0W-30. Can someone please explain difference? Thought 0W-30 was for cold climate.

[JohnEnglish]

Yes, 0W-30 is for places where it gets cold in the winter. 5W-30 is generally used in hotter climates (Middle East, Australia, etc.)

[deejayh]

0w-30 liquimoly

[ninjamanRS5]

I use Liqui Moly 5W-40 but my car's fairly modified.

[Smac770]

504 spec oils can be found as 0w-30 and 5w-30. It was originally 5w-30, then Audi changed it to 0w-30. Starting MY19, the same year they replaced all 5w-40 502 usage for now 0w-30 504.

504.00 / (507.00 Diesel)
– Castrol EDGE® Professional® 0W-30 LL03 (Updated from 5W-30)

This is Audi of America documentation, what Audi national organization in other nations spec/quote, no idea.

It really won't matter which you use. Hell, if it were a MY18 RS5 with DECA 2.9T rather than a MY19 RS5 with DECA 2.9T, AoA would be saying to use 5w-40 502.

[c99]

I want to avoid problems like rocker arms failure, so I use Mobil 1 ESP X3 0W-40.

[zac3707]

liqui moli 0W-30, or if tuned 0W-40. You don't want to increase the first number, only the second if any

[Chelo2010]

thank you all for your feedback!

[Dan99]

Hi Guys- very confused on the correct oil type for RS5 b9. When doing research online ppl say to use 5W-30, while the dealership says to use 0W-30. What are you guys using? When I googled Castrol equivalent to VW 504 they are saying "Castrol EDGE 5W-30 LL is approved for use in vehicles that require a VW 504 00 / 507 00" so once using the 5W-30 vs 0W-30. Can someone please explain difference? Thought 0W-30 was for cold climate.

Audi says to use VW 504 spec oil in your specific engine. There are multiple brands available, but 504 spec oil only comes in 0W30 and 5W30. Personally, I use 5W30 in the summer and 0W30 in the winter. Surprisingly, the 504 spec oil has essentially the same HTHS (high temperature high shear) rating as 40W oils. So, unless you are really pushing your car or you are in extreme temperatures, the 504 spec oil is a good choice whether it is 5W30 or 0W30.

[c99]

Audi says to use VW 504 spec oil in your specific engine. There are multiple brands available, but 504 spec oil only comes in 0W30 and 5W30. Personally, I use 5W30 in the summer and 0W30 in the winter. Surprisingly, the 504 spec oil has essentially the same HTHS (high temperature high shear) rating as 40W oils. So, unless you are really pushing your car or you are in extreme temperatures, the 504 spec oil is a good choice whether it is 5W30 or 0W30.

It ist correct only for VW502 oils, because 0(5)W-40 VW511 oils like Mobil 1 ESP X3 have HTHS=3.8, that 's why I use it.

(VW511 is for high powered Audi and Porsche engines like 4.0TSI (RS6, RS7, Cayenne...)

[c99]

504 spec oils can be found as 0w-30 and 5w-30. It was originally 5w-30, then Audi changed it to 0w-30. Starting MY19, the same year they replaced all 5w-40 502 usage for now 0w-30 504.



This is Audi of America documentation, what Audi national organization in other nations spec/quote, no idea.

It really won't matter which you use. Hell, if it were a MY18 RS5 with DECA 2.9T rather than a MY19 RS5 with DECA 2.9T, AoA would be saying to use 5w-40 502.

Do You know 2018 and 2019 engines are mechanically the same? The diiference is only emissions and that's why newer engines "use" thinner oil.

[Dan99]

It ist correct only for VW502 oils, because 0(5)W-40 VW511 oils like Mobil 1 ESP X3 have HTHS=3.8, that 's why I use it.

(VW511 is for high powered Audi and Porsche engines like 4.0TSI (RS6, RS7, Cayenne...)

Oil technology has evolved. In the past you needed heavier oil to provide increased protection, but that is not necessarily true today. Typically, a 0W30 oil would provide a HTHS (High Temperature High Shear) rating below 3, and a 40W oil would reach a HTHS rating of 3.5. VW504 spec oil requires a HTHS rating of 3.5 or greater, allowing it to provide similar protection under stress as a typical 40W.

I'm not advocating for or against any specific oil, and I would probably use a 40W oil if I was in Arizona in the summer, but choosing the best protection is more complex than it used to be. Lubrizol has an interactive chart that allows you to compare specs within a given manufacturer (e.g. VW) but not between manufacturers (e.g., VW vs MB). Here is a comparison between VW504 and VW511 spec oils. As you can see, 504 offers better wear protection and better mileage over the 511 spec oil:

Lubrizol-504-511-2.jpg

I removed the link to the Lubrizol chart. Apparently audizine has been hacked and clicking the link takes you to a porno site. Just google "lubrizol relative performance tools" to find the interactive chart.

[Chelo2010]

Wow very detailed feedback, much appreciated!

[c99]

Oil technology has evolved. In the past you needed heavier oil to provide increased protection, but that is not necessarily true today. Typically, a 0W30 oil would provide a HTHS (High Temperature High Shear) rating below 3, and a 40W oil would reach a HTHS rating of 3.5. VW504 spec oil requires a HTHS rating of 3.5 or greater, allowing it to provide similar protection under stress as a typical 40W.

I'm not advocating for or against any specific oil, and I would probably use a 40W oil if I was in Arizona in the summer, but choosing the best protection is more complex than it used to be. Lubrizol has an interactive chart that allows you to compare specs within a given manufacturer (e.g. VW) but not between manufacturers (e.g., VW vs MB). Here is a comparison between VW504 and VW511 spec oils. As you can see, 504 offers better wear protection and better mileage over the 511 spec oil:

Lubrizol-504-511-2.jpg

I removed the link to the Lubrizol chart. Apparently audizine has been hacked and clicking the link takes you to a porno site. Just google "lubrizol relative performance tools" to find the interactive chart.

Ehm, if it would be that easy, why RS6/RS7 engines should have VW511 instead of VW504? Because VW511 has better thermal stability in higher oil temperatures.

I know Lubrizol charts very well, but as they say

[Dan99]

Ehm, if it would be that easy, why RS6/RS7 engines should have VW511 instead of VW504? Because VW511 has better thermal stability in higher oil temperatures.

I know Lubrizol charts very well, but as they say

Like your attached thumbnail says, manufacturer requirements are more important. Aren't you advocating for not following those requirements?

[c99]

I don't say everybody should follow me and there are different opinions on this, so I try to explain why I do it this way.

In these days manufacturer requirements are strictly emission oriented, manufacturer is not interested about engine life over warranty time anymore.

In case of 2.9TFSI, it was designed for VW502 oil 5W-40, as You can find in 2018 m.y. oil recomendation. Due to new emission requirements and GPF/OPF in 2019, they changed oil requirements to VW504, because in those days there were no VW511 oils yet too.

Of course, who change car every other year, it doesn't matter, he can use manufacturer requirements for type and oil change interval.

I still want to have my RS5 so I use 0W-40 VW511, again, because it has better thermal stability and better lubrication in higher temperatures 2.9TFSI engine can easilly reach even in normal driving (on VCDS/ODIS/OBD11 You can find the difference between oil temperature in dash (which is temp in oil pan) and temp in return oil tube from engine block to oil pan and this difference is 15-20 C deg (few days ago I reach 115 C deg in dash so in return tube it was more than 130 C deg (it was spirited driving))).

I also change oil after 5000 miles now. Why? One reason is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlmTPH_5UmQ