Any news on the next generation A5/S5/RS5?

[XMetal]

Has anyone heard rumors if there will be a next generation A5/S5/RS5 sportback? Or will the current gen will be the last of the ICE? I'm assuming that 2024 will be the last call for the current gen?

[c99]

I know only this info

https://www.motor1.com/news/665705/a...-rs5-v6-power/

[JohnEnglish]

I know only this info

https://www.motor1.com/news/665705/a...-rs5-v6-power/

This is a good summary. Even number models will be EV and odd number models will be ICE. That means the A5/S5/RS5 will replace the A4/S4/RS4 for ICE models and the A4/S4/RS4 will be EV only. Same goes for the A6 and A7 twins.

Audi has said they won’t be down sizing the engines any further and will add hybrid tech to the RS models. The power train from the Porsche Panamera e-Hybrid with the 2.9L V6 will most likely be used in the next gen RS5.

[Burrcold]

So unveiling of the next RS5 in 2025, I would expect North American release to be 2026. That's a LONG way off...wow.

[JohnEnglish]

The B8 generation ran for almost 10 years. Looks like the B9 will be about the same.

[DCB1951]

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Audi has said they won’t be down sizing the engines any further and will add hybrid tech to the RS models. The power train from the Porsche Panamera e-Hybrid with the 2.9L V6 will most likely be used in the next gen RS5.

I have been dreaming about this configuration for quite some time.

[XMetal]

I know only this info

https://www.motor1.com/news/665705/a...-rs5-v6-power/

Thanks - Great info. Looks like I have some time to make a decision on picking one up

[WGC]

I wonder if the RS5 Avant will come to the states.

[JohnEnglish]

I wonder if the RS5 Avant will come to the states.

No, the RS5 and RS7 will remain as sportbacks. The RS4 and RS6 avants will be EV.

[WGC]

No, the RS5 and RS7 will remain as sportbacks. The RS4 and RS6 avants will be EV.

I'm still not a EV fan yet.

[brilliant_black]

Audi’s no longer developing new gas engines so hopefully they beef up the V6 quite a bit.

The S58 from the G80/G82 M3/M4 is leagues above anything in the segment.

Hopefully the B10 RS5 will be competitive.


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[Smac770]

Probably better to ignore the 4/5 numbering until actual products are announced and just focus on the body types to be expected from B10.
B8 and B9 eras had sedan, coupe, cabriolet, sportback, avant, allroad, and crossover products. B9.5 added crossover sportback.
There were A/Q models of all of them, and S/SQ models of all of them except the allroad. The RS models were the avant, coupe, cabriolet (B8 only), and sportback.
What vehicle bodies will we get from B10? Who knows. Which ones will have A, S, and RS models produced? Who knows. Will B10 produce only RS avant, or only RS sportback, or both? Who knows.

It's unlikely there's any surprises for the B10 RS engine. It'll be the 2.9T. The question is what manner of electrical configuration they are going to pair it with. The 552hp 2.9T 17.9kW PHEV implementation already exists. But what did it cost to get that extra 110hp? 670 lbs, that's what it cost. And they might be reviewing the new C63 reception, but there's zero chance of them changing course now.

[brilliant_black]

It's unlikely there's any surprises for the B10 RS engine. It'll be the 2.9T. The question is what manner of electrical configuration they are going to pair it with. The 552hp 2.9T 17.9kW PHEV implementation already exists. But what did it cost to get that extra 110hp? 670 lbs, that's what it cost. And they might be reviewing the new C63 reception, but there's zero chance of them changing course now.

All the added power in the new C63 from the hybrid system doesn’t seem worth it based on what reviewed are saying, but that is more likely due to the 4 cylinder.

BMW really really smacked everyone with the S58 and G8X. Even has forged internals from the factory so all the tuners are making crazy power with bolt ons.

This new RS4/5 has to be drop dead gorgeous and have a boatload of power honestly to compete with the current M3/M4. We already know the extra weight from the hybrid system will mean it will lose to the G80/G82 in the corners, but ever since deiselgate it doesn’t seem like Audi is concerned about performance.

A stock M3 touring can hang with a stock RS6. That’s just ridiculous and frankly embarrassing for Audi.

[brilliant_black]

So unveiling of the next RS5 in 2025, I would expect North American release to be 2026. That's a LONG way off...wow.

If that’s the case, the G8X facelift would get here before the B10.


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[Gregory_Tolson]

I know that the Audi A4 and A6 will become the A5 and A7 respectively starting next year or in 2025 and they will be discontinuing the current A5 (coupe and sportback) and A7 models. The new A4 and A6 will be most likely be electric versions of the car. Its possible they might get different features than the A5 and A7 but its unknown right now.

I do think the frameless windows and hatch tailgate is probably going away for the A5 and A7. The TT and R8 are also going to be gone after this year also.

[ninjamanRS5]

I'm interested to see how the RS5 evolves but I think I'll just keep my B9.5 as a daily and pick up a 21+ R8 as my weekend/track toy.

[Burrcold]

I know that the Audi A4 and A6 will become the A5 and A7 respectively starting next year or in 2025 and they will be discontinuing the current A5 (coupe and sportback) and A7 models. The new A4 and A6 will be most likely be electric versions of the car. Its possible they might get different features than the A5 and A7 but its unknown right now.

I do think the frameless windows and hatch tailgate is probably going away for the A5 and A7. The TT and R8 are also going to be gone after this year also.

The Sportback isn't going anywhere, as the A5 Sportback will take the place of both the A4 and A5 (ICE powered). The A4 will become the fully electric offering.

[ATL_RS5]

Haven't heard anything, but hopefully we can continue to enjoy gas powered engines for as long as possible. The type of powertrain in the new c63 doesn't appeal to me at all. I'll be full ICE, or full EV. I feel with hybrid cars you get the worst of both worlds. With the hybrid setup you don't get the efficiency and instant TQ of EV but you have added weight and complexity.

[JohnEnglish]

Haven't heard anything, but hopefully we can continue to enjoy gas powered engines for as long as possible. The type of powertrain in the new c63 doesn't appeal to me at all. I'll be full ICE, or full EV. I feel with hybrid cars you get the worst of both worlds. With the hybrid setup you don't get the efficiency and instant TQ of EV but you have added weight and complexity.

Audi already said the next generation RS5 will be a plug in hybrid.

It all depends how the hybrid is tuned. There’s usually a sport mode that gives you gas + electric so the electric motor fills in the gaps in the torque curve and gives you a bunch of torque off the line.

[HODL_B58]

Audi has said they won’t be down sizing the engines any further and will add hybrid tech to the RS models. The power train from the Porsche Panamera e-Hybrid with the 2.9L V6 will most likely be used in the next gen RS5.

Would much rather have the RS5 avant than Panamera 4S E-Hybrid Sport Turismo if given the option to cut cost, but it’s extremely reassuring that the Porsche option is there. Really hope that bodes well for the future chance of getting a RS5 avant in the states since emissions wise they have got to be pretty much the same. $130k is a big chunk of change I’m not fully sold on but if I could get a RS5 avant around $90k I’m sold especially since I don’t think we’ll ever see the M3 touring here (BMW dropping ball on that one, idk why they’re giving us a M5 touring and not M3 touring especially when the M3 has already proven superior to RS6 which has great sales figures here).

[Burrcold]

Would much rather have the RS5 avant than Panamera 4S E-Hybrid Sport Turismo if given the option to cut cost, but it’s extremely reassuring that the Porsche option is there. Really hope that bodes well for the future chance of getting a RS5 avant in the states since emissions wise they have got to be pretty much the same. $130k is a big chunk of change I’m not fully sold on but if I could get a RS5 avant around $90k I’m sold especially since I don’t think we’ll ever see the M3 touring here (BMW dropping ball on that one, idk why they’re giving us a M5 touring and not M3 touring especially when the M3 has already proven superior to RS6 which has great sales figures here).

There's no way the RS5 is going to be an avant. The Sportback style has been successful. It's more likely that the RS4 wagon will be killed off globally.

[Smac770]

It's hard to qualify something as successful vs something else when that something is the only option permitted. Are they actual sales numbers of RS4 avant vs RS5 sportback in markets where both actually exist as options? Like Germany or UK.

[Burrcold]

It's hard to qualify something as successful vs something else when that something is the only option permitted. Are they actual sales numbers of RS4 avant vs RS5 sportback in markets where both actually exist as options? Like Germany or UK.

Probably no numbers to support in any market, but I'd be willing to bet an RS5 Sportback would sell better than an RS4 Avant in North America. Just my opinion. Only time will tell to see what they end up producing.

[JohnEnglish]

Probably no numbers to support in any market, but I'd be willing to bet an RS5 Sportback would sell better than an RS4 Avant in North America. Just my opinion. Only time will tell to see what they end up producing.

Apparently Audi agreed with you. That’s why they brought over the RS5 SB and not the RS4

[typesblkura]

Here's the latest from Motor1:

https://www.motor1.com/news/697447/a...spied-no-camo/

[HODL_B58]

Had a dream last night I went to dealer to order S5/RS5 avant. Let’s get it! Dealer said Panamera order guide comes out tomorrow so I’m hoping we see some fireworks across other lineups as well. I’m being hopeful we have avant option, they’re supposedly cutting sedan option out of A4/A5 line so idk why not. Although I seem to see more RS5 sportbacks on road than RS3/RS6 idk the sales numbers but RS5 SB sure seems to also sit on dealer lots a lot more whereas RS3 and RS6s get snagged immediately, I’m really hoping that the Audi avant having been seen testing in Colorado plus the sport turismo line means we get something

[sammo]

Here's the latest from Motor1:

https://www.motor1.com/news/697447/a...spied-no-camo/

Surely this is a joke, looks like a cheap Opel.

[HODL_B58]

Friend showed me this video
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzB0WSpKcNf/

Really pray pray we get the RS5 in 2025/26. Panamera sport turismo discontinued (would have been my second choice to an Audi anyways) but updated my salesman I’ll wait however long it takes to hopefully get a sick wagon.

Who at Audi do we bombard with demand for a RS5 avant in US? Seriously sick of only options being base wagons, or $140k+ TT V8 wagons. I thought emissions were tough, yet why is it the only performance wagons we get in US are with twin turbo V8? Mercedes has done them, Audi with the RS6, now BMW gives us the M5 wagon. Seriously WtF. How have we avoided mid level performance wagons for so long yet complain that only so many Americans have $150k disposable income for a wagon? It’s like they do it to spite us

[Burrcold]

Friend showed me this video
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzB0WSpKcNf/

Really pray pray we get the RS5 in 2025/26. Panamera sport turismo discontinued (would have been my second choice to an Audi anyways) but updated my salesman I’ll wait however long it takes to hopefully get a sick wagon.

Who at Audi do we bombard with demand for a RS5 avant in US? Seriously sick of only options being base wagons, or $140k+ TT V8 wagons. I thought emissions were tough, yet why is it the only performance wagons we get in US are with twin turbo V8? Mercedes has done them, Audi with the RS6, now BMW gives us the M5 wagon. Seriously WtF. How have we avoided mid level performance wagons for so long yet complain that only so many Americans have $150k disposable income for a wagon? It’s like they do it to spite us

The M3 Touring destroyed both. Audi better have something good planned (we basically already know what it will be) for the B10 RS5. Can't have the new B10 come out and the older M3 still beating it.

[JohnEnglish]

Friend showed me this video
I thought emissions were tough, yet why is it the only performance wagons we get in US are with twin turbo V8? Mercedes has done them, Audi with the RS6, now BMW gives us the M5 wagon. Seriously WtF. How have we avoided mid level performance wagons for so long yet complain that only so many Americans have $150k disposable income for a wagon? It’s like they do it to spite us

The uptake on wagons is so small in North America that only the more expensive models, with much larger profit margins, can be justified.

[HODL_B58]

Got on list for RS6 but I’m sure allocations are maxed for this gen not that I want the V8 anyways. But what are we thinking naming would be going forward, RS6 avant will be RS7 avant unless it’s potentially a plug in hybrid in which case they may classify it as electrified and keep RS6 naming?

[Kyokio]

[JohnEnglish]

Got on list for RS6 but I’m sure allocations are maxed for this gen not that I want the V8 anyways. But what are we thinking naming would be going forward, RS6 avant will be RS7 avant unless it’s potentially a plug in hybrid in which case they may classify it as electrified and keep RS6 naming?

No, the even numbers are for pure EVs only. Next gen RS6 will be a pure EV. The V8 wagon would be a RS7

[Kyokio]

a possible alternative to the b10 is MB's new CLE 53 which looks surprising good. and i'm glad that amg decided not to use a 4cyl found in the current c class. too bad the price point probably won't be at all competitive to the a5/s5. i wouldn't be surprised if the cle53 costs close to 100k.

[JohnEnglish]

Assuming you want a bigger coupe. There's no 4 door option, and yeah it's going to be expensive.

[KOSTIC]

I just cannot get past the seat controls being on the door on Mercs. How often do you need to adjust your seat that they need to be in your face like that? Especially with memory settings available.

[RMode]

The uptake on wagons is so small in North America that only the more expensive models, with much larger profit margins, can be justified.

And they only even exist at all because they sell a more pedestrian A6 Allroad

The A4 Allroad doesn’t follow the same way, which is why no RS4 avant has been here. I tend to doubt the RS5 avant will ever be a thing here either but time will tell. Even if it does, the price point is going to be obnoxious.


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[rmbrown09]

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...vant-spy-shots

Really want to know the powertrain and performance figures.

[XMetal]

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...vant-spy-shots

Really want to know the powertrain and performance figures.

I really hope that Audi will bring over the RS5 Avant! The RS6 Avant is too large for my needs and only settled with considering the RS5 SB. The RS4/RS5 Avant is perfect!

[STi from DSM]

Never been an Avant fan. I personally hope the RS5 stays a Sportback. ALTHOUGH, I will say the current generation RS6 looks pretty nice as I have seen a few on the roads. I do not think I could ever pull the trigger on one though.