Audizine - An Automotive Enthusiast Community

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 40 of 60
  1. #1
    Veteran Member Three Rings
    Join Date
    Mar 10 2021
    AZ Member #
    591320
    Location
    MA

    Tune or not to Tune, how many people tuned then ended up needing their warranty?

    Guest-only advertisement. Register or Log In now!
    I know this debate has been beaten like a dead horse, but I keep coming back to it.

    I have a 2022 SQ5 with 15k miles and an extended warranty.

    I'm considering an APR / similar stage 1 and TCU stage 1/2.

    I'm wondering how many people went this route and ended up with some kind of problem that their warranty would have covered, if they hadn't done the tune.

    regards,
    2022 SQ5
    CTS Intercooler, Downpipe
    Jackal / M2 Full custom ECU and TCU
    Diamond Audio Subwoofer + 20'' LightBar
    Custom PCV system + Mishimoto catch can
    ABT HAS, ECS Skid Plate, Roc Euro Intake, DashCam
    034 Trans Insert, Turbo inlet, Sway Bars, Strut Brace, HPFP
    Chrome Delete + CF Mirror Caps / Wide Angle Mirrors, Mud flaps

  2. #2
    Veteran Member Four Rings Hostile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 08 2011
    AZ Member #
    73643
    My Garage
    '21 SQ5 & '16 Golf R
    Location
    NoVA

    You are never going to be able to get enough input to actually be meaningful.
    iain
    '21 SQ5/Prem+/DGM/BO/B&O - JB4 Map3 | DTE PedalBox | ABT H.A.S. | 034 S34 Intake, SuperDuper Inlet, Strut Tower Brace, Trans Insert | 15/20mm spacers | Res Delete
    '16 Golf R (hers) - 034 Stage 1 93 ECU/TCU | 15/20mm spacers | MK6 18" Watkins Glen | Res Delete

  3. #3
    Senior Member Two Rings
    Join Date
    Oct 29 2021
    AZ Member #
    636812
    Location
    Lancaster, PA USA

    This is a really good question. I'm curious to hear the results of this. I would encourage folks NOT to respond with "I'm running a tune and haven't had any issues". Let's just hear the failure cases.

  4. #4
    Established Member Two Rings MoralMiscreant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 23 2020
    AZ Member #
    552871
    Location
    Bozeman

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark888 View Post
    This is a really good question. I'm curious to hear the results of this. I would encourage folks NOT to respond with "I'm running a tune and haven't had any issues". Let's just hear the failure cases.
    In the Internet Age, the failure cases are, by far, the most visible and memorable. Bad news spreads fast. The almost complete lack of bad news about the parts from the reputable vendors for this platform feels pretty encouraging to me.

  5. #5
    Senior Member Three Rings
    Join Date
    Jan 28 2022
    AZ Member #
    667920
    Location
    Seattle area

    My experience (B9.5 SQ5 w/APR Plus stage 1 91 and APR intercooler done at 36k miles (currently at 52k miles w/no problems), researching the topic I'm guessing more than most, including asking APR, the local APR tuner, and local Audi dealers some 386 questions:

    99.9% chance you'll not have a problem but that 0.1% could LOTs of drama and expensive. If you can't stomach a $10,000 - $25,000 repair out of pocket, and being stuck with paying for a rental car for weeks or months, I'd recommend not doing it until you're out of warranty, even with APR Plus's warranty (which is sorta sketchy, and NOT equivalent to the factory warranty).

    The local tuner says they've never had an APR Plus warranty claim, and know of no issues with Audi denying to cover warranty or recall work due to a tune. Yes, a sweeping proclamation but said tuner is huge and legit. Search enough and you'll find a few postings of owners been denied warranty and recall fixes due to being tuned, but they're extremely rare and of low consequence (like coolant lines).

    I'm confident that a stage 1 tune will never hurt the vehicle as long as you do your part (esp. using the correct octane fuel - another dirty secret is tuning obviates the ECU's ability to adjust to octane). IMO the risk is something goes bad (my Sport Diff went bad at ~1,000 miles luckily wasn't tuned yet), likely due to a manufacturing defect, but it in theory could be traced to a tune. When the car is flagged as being tuned ("TD1") it's marked forever as such in Audi's database and the dealer is limited in what it can do - both warranty and recall fix claims can be denied due to being flagged as TD1.

    Though the APR stage 1 91 tune is monster (consistent 0-60 in 4.0s and 1/4 mile in 12.4 @ 110 mph, and that's with a weak launch due to A/S tire traction limitation) the APR intercooler install was a disaster (bad brackets, bad MAP sensor housing, poor directions, shockingly little concern from either the tuner or APR), so my POV on tuning is rather dour. Yes, I've not had problems with the tune, yes, the tune performance is monster, but hot rodding today is the same as it ever was (of which I used to do a LOT) - it's sorta janky and if there are problems you're mostly on your own to figure it out, but when it works out, it's pretty cool. FWIW I will not tune in the future (this was my first such vehicle) and will buy performance from the factory.

  6. #6
    Veteran Member Four Rings Hostile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 08 2011
    AZ Member #
    73643
    My Garage
    '21 SQ5 & '16 Golf R
    Location
    NoVA

    If you’re really worried about your warranty then get a JB4 until you’re out of warranty.
    iain
    '21 SQ5/Prem+/DGM/BO/B&O - JB4 Map3 | DTE PedalBox | ABT H.A.S. | 034 S34 Intake, SuperDuper Inlet, Strut Tower Brace, Trans Insert | 15/20mm spacers | Res Delete
    '16 Golf R (hers) - 034 Stage 1 93 ECU/TCU | 15/20mm spacers | MK6 18" Watkins Glen | Res Delete

  7. #7
    Veteran Member Three Rings
    Join Date
    Mar 10 2021
    AZ Member #
    591320
    Location
    MA

    Thank you for your reply. This was exactly the kind of story I was looking for.

    Under the magson moss (sp?) Act a warranty denial must be linked to the offending aftermarket part. How would a dealer deny recalls or even a coolant line issue over an ECU reprogram. That seems fishy.

  8. #8
    Veteran Member Three Rings
    Join Date
    Mar 10 2021
    AZ Member #
    591320
    Location
    MA

    Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
    If you’re really worried about your warranty then get a JB4 until you’re out of warranty.

    Everything I read about the JB4 makes it sound a little janky. Does it really only cut in over 4k? Seems 90% of our driving is under 4k.

    I tuned my A5 coupe and it was great, the whole power band got better making the car way more fun to drive.

    Interestingly the dealer never said anything, and I had injectors, spark plugs, coils, etc replaced under warranty - and they never said anything when I traded it in on my brand new sQ5.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by GoCougs1234 View Post
    My experience (B9.5 SQ5 w/APR Plus stage 1 91 and APR intercooler done at 36k miles (currently at 52k miles w/no problems), researching the topic I'm guessing more than most, including asking APR, the local APR tuner, and local Audi dealers some 386 questions:

    99.9% chance you'll not have a problem but that 0.1% could LOTs of drama and expensive. If you can't stomach a $10,000 - $25,000 repair out of pocket, and being stuck with paying for a rental car for weeks or months, I'd recommend not doing it until you're out of warranty, even with APR Plus's warranty (which is sorta sketchy, and NOT equivalent to the factory warranty).

    The local tuner says they've never had an APR Plus warranty claim, and know of no issues with Audi denying to cover warranty or recall work due to a tune. Yes, a sweeping proclamation but said tuner is huge and legit. Search enough and you'll find a few postings of owners been denied warranty and recall fixes due to being tuned, but they're extremely rare and of low consequence (like coolant lines).

    I'm confident that a stage 1 tune will never hurt the vehicle as long as you do your part (esp. using the correct octane fuel - another dirty secret is tuning obviates the ECU's ability to adjust to octane). IMO the risk is something goes bad (my Sport Diff went bad at ~1,000 miles luckily wasn't tuned yet), likely due to a manufacturing defect, but it in theory could be traced to a tune. When the car is flagged as being tuned ("TD1") it's marked forever as such in Audi's database and the dealer is limited in what it can do - both warranty and recall fix claims can be denied due to being flagged as TD1.

    Though the APR stage 1 91 tune is monster (consistent 0-60 in 4.0s and 1/4 mile in 12.4 @ 110 mph, and that's with a weak launch due to A/S tire traction limitation) the APR intercooler install was a disaster (bad brackets, bad MAP sensor housing, poor directions, shockingly little concern from either the tuner or APR), so my POV on tuning is rather dour. Yes, I've not had problems with the tune, yes, the tune performance is monster, but hot rodding today is the same as it ever was (of which I used to do a LOT) - it's sorta janky and if there are problems you're mostly on your own to figure it out, but when it works out, it's pretty cool. FWIW I will not tune in the future (this was my first such vehicle) and will buy performance from the factory.
    Meant to quote your post. Thank you for the reply, this is exactly the kind of info I was looking for in this thread.

  9. #9
    Veteran Member Four Rings Hostile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 08 2011
    AZ Member #
    73643
    My Garage
    '21 SQ5 & '16 Golf R
    Location
    NoVA

    Quote Originally Posted by Local View Post
    Everything I read about the JB4 makes it sound a little janky. Does it really only cut in over 4k? Seems 90% of our driving is under 4k.
    Where did you read that nonsense…?
    iain
    '21 SQ5/Prem+/DGM/BO/B&O - JB4 Map3 | DTE PedalBox | ABT H.A.S. | 034 S34 Intake, SuperDuper Inlet, Strut Tower Brace, Trans Insert | 15/20mm spacers | Res Delete
    '16 Golf R (hers) - 034 Stage 1 93 ECU/TCU | 15/20mm spacers | MK6 18" Watkins Glen | Res Delete

  10. #10
    Veteran Member Four Rings adamazing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 26 2014
    AZ Member #
    197242
    Location
    San Diego, CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark888 View Post
    This is a really good question. I'm curious to hear the results of this. I would encourage folks NOT to respond with "I'm running a tune and haven't had any issues". Let's just hear the failure cases.
    That just creates an echo chamber that reinforces negative perception. The thread could be 50 posts of nothing but bad feedback without consideration of the whole volume of successfully tuned cars without issue.
    This platform has been in production for the past 6+ years across multiple models - there's enough first hand evidence to come away with a general consensus that Stage 1 tunes are reliably safe. But like anything in life, nothing is absolute. Being an enthusiast comes with certain assumed risks, and no one can predict if or when their car will have a failure, tuned or otherwise.

    It comes down to personal preference, which is different for each person. Do you value the safety and comfort of your warranty coverage more than your desire to tune?
    • If yes, wait it out until your warranty expires. No shame in this, lots of people do it.
    • If no, tune away and accept the fact that the powertrain warranty safety-net is no longer there.



    2013 A4 Quattro Green Black Iridescent / APR E85 Stage 2 / AG F421 Polished Copper / Eurocode FMIC + HFC / AWE Quad + CF Diffuser
    build / instagram / flickr




  11. #11
    Senior Member Two Rings
    Join Date
    Oct 29 2021
    AZ Member #
    636812
    Location
    Lancaster, PA USA

    Quote Originally Posted by adamazing View Post
    That just creates an echo chamber that reinforces negative perception. The thread could be 50 posts of nothing but bad feedback without consideration of the whole volume of successfully tuned cars without issue.
    This platform has been in production for the past 6+ years across multiple models - there's enough first hand evidence to come away with a general consensus that Stage 1 tunes are reliably safe. But like anything in life, nothing is absolute. Being an enthusiast comes with certain assumed risks, and no one can predict if or when their car will have a failure, tuned or otherwise.

    It comes down to personal preference, which is different for each person. Do you value the safety and comfort of your warranty coverage more than your desire to tune?
    • If yes, wait it out until your warranty expires. No shame in this, lots of people do it.
    • If no, tune away and accept the fact that the powertrain warranty safety-net is no longer there.
    Well, I would disagree with that view. There are a million people on here that will tell you they are tuned and nothing has gone wrong. Let's here some accounts of the other side. If they are out there.

  12. #12
    Veteran Member Four Rings Hostile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 08 2011
    AZ Member #
    73643
    My Garage
    '21 SQ5 & '16 Golf R
    Location
    NoVA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark888 View Post
    Well, I would disagree with that view. There are a million people on here that will tell you they are tuned and nothing has gone wrong. Let's here some accounts of the other side. If they are out there.
    You think that people that have issues don’t immediately go online and tell everyone about it?
    iain
    '21 SQ5/Prem+/DGM/BO/B&O - JB4 Map3 | DTE PedalBox | ABT H.A.S. | 034 S34 Intake, SuperDuper Inlet, Strut Tower Brace, Trans Insert | 15/20mm spacers | Res Delete
    '16 Golf R (hers) - 034 Stage 1 93 ECU/TCU | 15/20mm spacers | MK6 18" Watkins Glen | Res Delete

  13. #13
    Senior Member Two Rings
    Join Date
    Oct 29 2021
    AZ Member #
    636812
    Location
    Lancaster, PA USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
    You think that people that have issues don’t immediately go online and tell everyone about it?
    They may! There just aren't many accounts that I've seen. Which is good. But if there are any accounts of folks with issues here on the forums it would be good to collect them in one place. I think we know already that they are very rare.

  14. #14
    Senior Member Three Rings
    Join Date
    Jan 28 2022
    AZ Member #
    667920
    Location
    Seattle area

    Quote Originally Posted by Local View Post
    Meant to quote your post. Thank you for the reply, this is exactly the kind of info I was looking for in this thread.
    Sure. I should add that though I won't do it again, I don't regret it (yet!):

    1.) Not only first tuned car but first turbocharged car so I've learned lots.

    2.) Performance gain was monster.

    3.) To add to my 99.9% comment, I just did a road trip that included four days and 3,000 miles of driving, with much time at WOT (gapping bad drivers), many miles at speed (90-100 mph), while at altitude (up to 6,000') and temp (90-95F), including 6-7% mountain pass inclines, all whilst loaded with two bikes on a hitch rack and packed with 400 lbs of gear, and not one single problem, at least that I'm ware of, including zero detectable use of dat piss-thin 0w-20 engine oil. Jesus, for one stint I went through 3/4 of a tank of fuel in ~45 minutes! All in all, a very good vote of confidence both for APR and Audi.

    4.) These days I only do the one car thing, and my lifestyle needs the space of at least a compact wagon or SUV (mountain biking road trips!). The higher performance vehicles in the class (X3M, Macan GTS, GLC whatever) I found absolute dismal for various reasons (esp. interior design/ergo and ride quality) and the next class up (X5M, RSQ6, etc.) I thought were far too large (plus most were also plagued with interior ergo and ride quality issues). Thus, a tuned SQ5 I felt was my only choice (stock SQ5 is much too slow). I was on the fence with the RS6 but the dealer markups were just too insane plus she's a big girl too. Thus, my only option was/is a tuned SQ5. I'm looking forward to the "B10" SQ5/RS5 SB and "C9" RS6 debuts.

  15. #15
    Veteran Member Four Rings
    Join Date
    Jul 13 2018
    AZ Member #
    422362
    Location
    Winnipeg, MB, Canada

    I tuned my 2018 RS3 after having it 18 months, voiding the majority of warranty. There were no mechanical issues that came up for which a warranty would have been valuable. Audi still looked at other parts of the car under the warranty.

    I've never heard of TD1 affecting recalls.

    I'm waiting until our 2019 SQ5 is out of warranty to tune because we only got it with 3 months of warranty remaining, which is not long to wait.

    I buy Audi's to tune them.

  16. #16
    Senior Member Two Rings ccssid's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 03 2011
    AZ Member #
    77736
    Location
    michigan

    Had APR tune installed in my 2011 S4 with sc pulley in 2012. Several trips from michigan to florida and back again (of course). One trip inadvertantly took my wife and i through "The tail of the dragon" which was a pleasant surprise as we were taking a shortcut to her sister's in northern Georgia.

    My fuel pump went out (warranty item) 2 years after I purchased the car (after the tune). Dealer repaired..... no questions asked. Anyway, I still own the car and have had absolutely zero issues with the car , let alone the tune. The last couple of years I have been on APR stage 2 dual pulley tune.
    2011 S4 prestige. Imola 6mt.

  17. #17
    Veteran Member Three Rings chrisdazzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 11 2015
    AZ Member #
    348334
    My Garage
    RAV4 Limited
    Location
    Mountains, CO

    If Audi flags your car TD1 (automatic when they plug in your car to their dealer computers/ECU readers), you should be ready to pay an out-of-warranty bill if something fails. A nice alternative that's been touched on here is APR's Plus tune, basically Stage 1 with a matching powertrain warranty. Covers most everything as far as I can tell. I was tuned with APR Plus and the installing shop I went to said they'd never had an issue either, but you always roll the dice with these types of things.

    While it's not impossible that a dealer replaces something that may have been affected by the tune - fuel pump, mounts, transmission, turbo, engine this or that, cat, etc. - under warranty, it's never a guarantee despite all the positive anecdotes. Just wait until your warranty is up. And if you're going to cite the Magnusson-Moss Act, you'd better be a lawyer or have one you're ready to pay. I highly doubt Audi messes around when it's their (dealers') money on the line.
    '21 Ultra Blue x Black Nappa ▉SQ5
    Prem+ : S Sport : Black Optics : Carbon Atlas
    21" Black Optic Wheels : B&O Audio : S Beam
    034 Res-X Res Delete + X-Pipe : IE Polymer Intake
    12.5/15mm Spacers : 034 Trans Mount Insert
    35% Ceramic Tint : 3M Front PPF

    [_SQZME] : Previously: MKV Jetta 2.5, B8.5 A5, 8V S3, B9 A5 SB

  18. #18
    Senior Member Two Rings
    Join Date
    Oct 29 2021
    AZ Member #
    636812
    Location
    Lancaster, PA USA

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisdazzo View Post
    If Audi flags your car TD1 (automatic when they plug in your car to their dealer computers/ECU readers), you should be ready to pay an out-of-warranty bill if something fails. A nice alternative that's been touched on here is APR's Plus tune, basically Stage 1 with a matching powertrain warranty. Covers most everything as far as I can tell. I was tuned with APR Plus and the installing shop I went to said they'd never had an issue either, but you always roll the dice with these types of things.

    While it's not impossible that a dealer replaces something that may have been affected by the tune - fuel pump, mounts, transmission, turbo, engine this or that, cat, etc. - under warranty, it's never a guarantee despite all the positive anecdotes. Just wait until your warranty is up. And if you're going to cite the Magnusson-Moss Act, you'd better be a lawyer or have one you're ready to pay. I highly doubt Audi messes around when it's their (dealers') money on the line.
    Getting to know your dealer is key too. Many are friendly to tunes for the most part. My dealer agreed not to TD1 my SQ unless there is a real issue that they deem to be related to the tune. Until then they just ignore the flash count. They saw it right away though without me saying anything, as any dealer will when they scan it.

  19. #19
    Veteran Member Four Rings Hostile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 08 2011
    AZ Member #
    73643
    My Garage
    '21 SQ5 & '16 Golf R
    Location
    NoVA

    Tune or not to Tune, how many people tuned then ended up needing their warranty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark888 View Post
    Getting to know your dealer is key too. Many are friendly to tunes for the most part. My dealer agreed not to TD1 my SQ unless there is a real issue that they deem to be related to the tune. Until then they just ignore the flash count. They saw it right away though without me saying anything, as any dealer will when they scan it.
    Dealer techs don’t get to choose if a car is TD1 or not. Audi’s diagnostic scan tool automatically does it and the tech can’t stop it.

    The only way they can guarantee that your car won’t be TD1’d is by never plugging it into the diagnostic tool.
    iain
    '21 SQ5/Prem+/DGM/BO/B&O - JB4 Map3 | DTE PedalBox | ABT H.A.S. | 034 S34 Intake, SuperDuper Inlet, Strut Tower Brace, Trans Insert | 15/20mm spacers | Res Delete
    '16 Golf R (hers) - 034 Stage 1 93 ECU/TCU | 15/20mm spacers | MK6 18" Watkins Glen | Res Delete

  20. #20
    Veteran Member Four Rings adamazing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 26 2014
    AZ Member #
    197242
    Location
    San Diego, CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
    Dealer techs don’t get to choose if a car is TD1 or not. Audi’s diagnostic scan tool automatically does it and the tech can’t stop it.

    The only way they can guarantee that your car won’t be TD1’d is by never plugging it into the diagnostic tool.
    This.

    Anytime the dealer plugs the car into ODIS and performs a spec-actual scan, it's transmitting diagnostics back to AoA's network. This is a required step whenever a warranty claim needs to be processed. The dealer doesn't flag anything, AoA does.



    2013 A4 Quattro Green Black Iridescent / APR E85 Stage 2 / AG F421 Polished Copper / Eurocode FMIC + HFC / AWE Quad + CF Diffuser
    build / instagram / flickr




  21. #21
    Senior Member Two Rings
    Join Date
    Oct 29 2021
    AZ Member #
    636812
    Location
    Lancaster, PA USA

    Quote Originally Posted by adamazing View Post
    This.

    Anytime the dealer plugs the car into ODIS and performs a spec-actual scan, it's transmitting diagnostics back to AoA's network. This is a required step whenever a warranty claim needs to be processed. The dealer doesn't flag anything, AoA does.
    Sorry. That's not true. My dealer commented on the flash count when they scanned, and they have updated programming to fix other issues (window regulator pinch protection TSB). But they have not flagged the vehicle. And they said they won't unless they have to.

  22. #22
    Veteran Member Four Rings adamazing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 26 2014
    AZ Member #
    197242
    Location
    San Diego, CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark888 View Post
    Sorry. That's not true. My dealer commented on the flash count when they scanned, and they have updated programming to fix other issues (window regulator pinch protection TSB). But they have not flagged the vehicle. And they said they won't unless they have to.
    It is true, and has been for years. The repairs you listed were not powertrain related.




    2013 A4 Quattro Green Black Iridescent / APR E85 Stage 2 / AG F421 Polished Copper / Eurocode FMIC + HFC / AWE Quad + CF Diffuser
    build / instagram / flickr




  23. #23
    Senior Member Three Rings
    Join Date
    Jan 28 2022
    AZ Member #
    667920
    Location
    Seattle area

    Quote Originally Posted by adamazing View Post
    This.

    Anytime the dealer plugs the car into ODIS and performs a spec-actual scan, it's transmitting diagnostics back to AoA's network. This is a required step whenever a warranty claim needs to be processed. The dealer doesn't flag anything, AoA does.
    Letting the dealer have control is too risky for Audi. Automakers (esp. ze Germans) spend billions $$ on warranty claims and that cost center has to be controlled in extreme measure.

  24. #24
    Senior Member Three Rings
    Join Date
    Jan 28 2022
    AZ Member #
    667920
    Location
    Seattle area

    Quote Originally Posted by TheContrarian View Post
    I tuned my 2018 RS3 after having it 18 months, voiding the majority of warranty. There were no mechanical issues that came up for which a warranty would have been valuable. Audi still looked at other parts of the car under the warranty.

    I've never heard of TD1 affecting recalls.

    I'm waiting until our 2019 SQ5 is out of warranty to tune because we only got it with 3 months of warranty remaining, which is not long to wait.

    I buy Audi's to tune them.
    During my research (of course I can't find the posts now!) I found two instances of an Audi recall denied coverage due to TD1: An electric motor for some sort of vent control for the cooling system and coolant lines of some sort - neither customer fought back since the repair cost was small enough (less than $500).

  25. #25
    Veteran Member Three Rings
    Join Date
    Mar 10 2021
    AZ Member #
    591320
    Location
    MA

    okay, say I'm thinking about doing this tune.

    Which tune would you all suggest? I'm interested in the IE tune because I can change gas from my phone, but I've only had a Unitronic tune before.

    I live in the north east and almost always have access to 93 but do go on road trips sometimes.

    am I missing something or are they all pretty much the same?

    I know APR offers a power train warranty for double the cost.

    I see some of them offer TCU upgrades where as APR and Unitronic don't seem to have a TCU upgrade for the b9.5 q5 before.

    Again, I'm not talking about which is the most powerful - I'm talking about the best "full life" upgrade, least likely to blow my car or trans up, least likely to create problems driving around, good gas mileage, excellent thrust.
    2022 SQ5
    CTS Intercooler, Downpipe
    Jackal / M2 Full custom ECU and TCU
    Diamond Audio Subwoofer + 20'' LightBar
    Custom PCV system + Mishimoto catch can
    ABT HAS, ECS Skid Plate, Roc Euro Intake, DashCam
    034 Trans Insert, Turbo inlet, Sway Bars, Strut Brace, HPFP
    Chrome Delete + CF Mirror Caps / Wide Angle Mirrors, Mud flaps

  26. #26
    Senior Member Two Rings
    Join Date
    Oct 29 2021
    AZ Member #
    636812
    Location
    Lancaster, PA USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Local View Post
    okay, say I'm thinking about doing this tune.

    Which tune would you all suggest? I'm interested in the IE tune because I can change gas from my phone, but I've only had a Unitronic tune before.

    I live in the north east and almost always have access to 93 but do go on road trips sometimes.

    am I missing something or are they all pretty much the same?

    I know APR offers a power train warranty for double the cost.

    I see some of them offer TCU upgrades where as APR and Unitronic don't seem to have a TCU upgrade for the b9.5 q5 before.

    Again, I'm not talking about which is the most powerful - I'm talking about the best "full life" upgrade, least likely to blow my car or trans up, least likely to create problems driving around, good gas mileage, excellent thrust.
    I would venture to say that 034 seems to be the most popular on here. I've had good success with their Stage1 ECU + Stage2 TCU tune. It's a solid all around improvement. I'm running the 93 octane profile. I'm only a sample size of one, but no issues to date and I'm about 18 months and 15k miles in.

  27. #27
    Veteran Member Three Rings
    Join Date
    Mar 10 2021
    AZ Member #
    591320
    Location
    MA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark888 View Post
    I would venture to say that 034 seems to be the most popular on here. I've had good success with their Stage1 ECU + Stage2 TCU tune. It's a solid all around improvement. I'm running the 93 octane profile. I'm only a sample size of one, but no issues to date and I'm about 18 months and 15k miles in.
    Small sample size but glowing review.

    Have you ever been personally denied warranty work / work at the dealership because of your tune?

    Do you worry about the TCU putting unnecessary stress on the transmission - maybe the most expensive bit of the drive line?

  28. #28
    Senior Member Three Rings
    Join Date
    Jan 28 2022
    AZ Member #
    667920
    Location
    Seattle area

    Quote Originally Posted by Local View Post
    Small sample size but glowing review.

    Have you ever been personally denied warranty work / work at the dealership because of your tune?

    Do you worry about the TCU putting unnecessary stress on the transmission - maybe the most expensive bit of the drive line?
    I had the same concern too. Thing is if there's still a weak link in modern vehicles, it's the torque converter automatic transmission (see all the failures in full size pickup trucks, esp. the new Ford/GM 10 speed) - clutches, bands, fluid, pumps, sensors, etc., all of which is particularly sensitive to heat.

    Anyway, here's 034's video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1vI9AQwv0w

    Their claim is, yes, in theory a TCU tune (to increase torque limit) increases wear-n-tear and exceeds the ZF factory torque limit, but 034's not seen or heard of problems (unlike the C8 RS6). I follow a number of B9 3.0T tuner channels (all of whom are beyond stage 1) and they all have many, many, many launches, even on prepped drag strips (i.e., high traction = high shock loading) and I've yet to hear of a ZF problem. My bet is at stage 1 and only sparingly driving at WOT (which is what most of us do anyway) and I'd expect to get a normal life from the transmission.

  29. #29
    Established Member Two Rings
    Join Date
    Jan 19 2016
    AZ Member #
    367434
    Location
    West palm

    I paid extra on my 18' prestige to have the Audi pure platinum care and then more to have it transferred to my name when I bought it a few months ago so as soon as that expires in July of 2025 I will tune it lol. In the mean time I will keep telling myself I only need cosmetic mods.

  30. #30
    Veteran Member Four Rings
    Join Date
    Jul 13 2018
    AZ Member #
    422362
    Location
    Winnipeg, MB, Canada

    Slightly off topic, but Vancityaudi's hybrid turbo B9 S4 melted a sparkplug and appears to have engine damage. We aren't taking about stage 3 builds here, but it was a little sobering.

  31. #31
    Senior Member Two Rings
    Join Date
    Oct 29 2021
    AZ Member #
    636812
    Location
    Lancaster, PA USA

    No drivetrain issues to date. I actually have an extended Audi warranty even with the tune. YOLO! Haha.

    Honestly though the drivetrain on the B9 seems to be pretty indestructible and I didn't want to wait until I was sick of the car to put the tune on it. I'll probably only have it until about 100k miles.

    My dealer is a reasonable dealer though. I think most are if you take the time to get to know the service advisors. They won't deny work unless they feel strongly that it was caused BY the tune. I had that conversation with them.

  32. #32
    Veteran Member Three Rings
    Join Date
    Mar 10 2021
    AZ Member #
    591320
    Location
    MA

    Quote Originally Posted by franco.leon3 View Post
    I paid extra on my 18' prestige to have the Audi pure platinum care and then more to have it transferred to my name when I bought it a few months ago so as soon as that expires in July of 2025 I will tune it lol. In the mean time I will keep telling myself I only need cosmetic mods.
    I bought my 22 brand new and paid for the audi care + extended warranty. I kept telling myself that my tuning life was over and I would at most do things like visual and sound... but the more I drive it the more I want to see what this engine can do with a tune. Every other car I've ever had has been tuned and its always transformed them. I had an 18 A5 6spd 2.0T that changed into a whole new vehicle with a Unitronic tune - and even when I traded it in for my 22 SQ5 I never heard anything about a TD01.


    Quote Originally Posted by GoCougs1234 View Post
    I had the same concern too. Thing is if there's still a weak link in modern vehicles, it's the torque converter automatic transmission (see all the failures in full size pickup trucks, esp. the new Ford/GM 10 speed) - clutches, bands, fluid, pumps, sensors, etc., all of which is particularly sensitive to heat.

    Anyway, here's 034's video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1vI9AQwv0w

    Their claim is, yes, in theory a TCU tune (to increase torque limit) increases wear-n-tear and exceeds the ZF factory torque limit, but 034's not seen or heard of problems (unlike the C8 RS6). I follow a number of B9 3.0T tuner channels (all of whom are beyond stage 1) and they all have many, many, many launches, even on prepped drag strips (i.e., high traction = high shock loading) and I've yet to hear of a ZF problem. My bet is at stage 1 and only sparingly driving at WOT (which is what most of us do anyway) and I'd expect to get a normal life from the transmission.
    Thank you for the video, I'll have to watch it. I agree that modern cars the weak link is the auto tranny.. in fact this is the first automatic car I've ever owned. (240sx, integra type R, WRX, CTS-V, STi, A5, -> SQ5) - I just don't have a lot of experience with them. I only have about 16k on my car and I've yet to use the launch control feature. In fact the only WOT pulls I've done have been from a roll, usually 2nd or 3rd gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark888 View Post
    No drivetrain issues to date. I actually have an extended Audi warranty even with the tune. YOLO! Haha.

    Honestly though the drivetrain on the B9 seems to be pretty indestructible and I didn't want to wait until I was sick of the car to put the tune on it. I'll probably only have it until about 100k miles.

    My dealer is a reasonable dealer though. I think most are if you take the time to get to know the service advisors. They won't deny work unless they feel strongly that it was caused BY the tune. I had that conversation with them.
    I keep feeling like this is the route I will take.

    Maybe I'll wait till the next service date? Maybe I'll just go for it?

    Maybe I'll go with "what I know" and do the Unitronic tune? Maybe I'll suck it up and do the Dynamic+ stage 1 and TCU stage 2? APR with the warranty?

    Its hard to decide.
    2022 SQ5
    CTS Intercooler, Downpipe
    Jackal / M2 Full custom ECU and TCU
    Diamond Audio Subwoofer + 20'' LightBar
    Custom PCV system + Mishimoto catch can
    ABT HAS, ECS Skid Plate, Roc Euro Intake, DashCam
    034 Trans Insert, Turbo inlet, Sway Bars, Strut Brace, HPFP
    Chrome Delete + CF Mirror Caps / Wide Angle Mirrors, Mud flaps

  33. #33
    Veteran Member Three Rings slmds4's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 22 2005
    AZ Member #
    8074
    My Garage
    2022 Audi SQ5
    Location
    Atlanta

    Quote Originally Posted by Local View Post
    I bought my 22 brand new and paid for the audi care + extended warranty. I kept telling myself that my tuning life was over and I would at most do things like visual and sound... but the more I drive it the more I want to see what this engine can do with a tune. Every other car I've ever had has been tuned and its always transformed them. I had an 18 A5 6spd 2.0T that changed into a whole new vehicle with a Unitronic tune - and even when I traded it in for my 22 SQ5 I never heard anything about a TD01
    Sounds like were at the same stage (and car) in life

    Helpful thread as I'm new to my 22 SQ5 with a 3 year warranty remaining and I'm hesitant to tune until it is expired. I bought the SQ5 as a fun, enjoyable as-is future kid hauler, and that my tuning days were over. I'm 3 months in and already want to tune.
    Justin # 5

  34. #34
    Senior Member Two Rings
    Join Date
    Aug 14 2015
    AZ Member #
    348983
    Location
    So. Cal

    Quote Originally Posted by slmds4 View Post
    Sounds like were at the same stage (and car) in life

    Helpful thread as I'm new to my 22 SQ5 with a 3 year warranty remaining and I'm hesitant to tune until it is expired. I bought the SQ5 as a fun, enjoyable as-is future kid hauler, and that my tuning days were over. I'm 3 months in and already want to tune.
    I had my 21 SQ5 tuned after 3,000 miles with 034. Their customer service and attention to the b9 platform is robust. I have had no hiccups on the stage 1 tune and stage 2 tcu. Best bang for the buck.
    Instagram: sqfunf
    2024 Rivian R1S
    2021 SQ5 - Ultra Blue
    2016 Focus RS

  35. #35
    Veteran Member Three Rings slmds4's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 22 2005
    AZ Member #
    8074
    My Garage
    2022 Audi SQ5
    Location
    Atlanta

    Quote Originally Posted by schmove View Post
    I had my 21 SQ5 tuned after 3,000 miles with 034. Their customer service and attention to the b9 platform is robust. I have had no hiccups on the stage 1 tune and stage 2 tcu. Best bang for the buck.
    No doubt or hesitation of 034 or IE tunes. I just weigh paying somewhat of a premium and ease of mind for the warranty vs voiding it in the chance something does go wrong. My fear is Audi would refuse warranty work due to a tune, even if not related.

    I appreciate the insight, I'm sure I'll waiver on this for the next 3 years or until I pull the trigger. Resistance is futile.
    Justin # 5

  36. #36
    Senior Member Two Rings
    Join Date
    Aug 14 2015
    AZ Member #
    348983
    Location
    So. Cal

    Talking

    Quote Originally Posted by slmds4 View Post
    No doubt or hesitation of 034 or IE tunes. I just weigh paying somewhat of a premium and ease of mind for the warranty vs voiding it in the chance something does go wrong. My fear is Audi would refuse warranty work due to a tune, even if not related.

    I appreciate the insight, I'm sure I'll waiver on this for the next 3 years or until I pull the trigger. Resistance is futile.
    We are all here to make you waiver.
    Instagram: sqfunf
    2024 Rivian R1S
    2021 SQ5 - Ultra Blue
    2016 Focus RS

  37. #37
    Veteran Member Three Rings slmds4's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 22 2005
    AZ Member #
    8074
    My Garage
    2022 Audi SQ5
    Location
    Atlanta

    Quote Originally Posted by schmove View Post
    We are all here to make you waiver.


    I should have asked initially - has the dealer given you any issues with your tune, having tuned it with low mileage? I'm currently at 13K miles myself
    Justin # 5

  38. #38
    Senior Member Two Rings
    Join Date
    Aug 14 2015
    AZ Member #
    348983
    Location
    So. Cal

    Quote Originally Posted by slmds4 View Post


    I should have asked initially - has the dealer given you any issues with your tune, having tuned it with low mileage? I'm currently at 13K miles myself
    Zero issues. I've gone for the usual Audi care yearly stuff. Around 3 recalls and nothing (mechanical recalls). I am avoiding the rear backup camera recall because that involves plugging the car into the computer and that'll definitely flag the car TD1. My service advisor said not to do it until warranty ends.
    Instagram: sqfunf
    2024 Rivian R1S
    2021 SQ5 - Ultra Blue
    2016 Focus RS

  39. #39
    Senior Member Three Rings
    Join Date
    Jan 28 2022
    AZ Member #
    667920
    Location
    Seattle area

    Quote Originally Posted by schmove View Post
    Zero issues. I've gone for the usual Audi care yearly stuff. Around 3 recalls and nothing (mechanical recalls). I am avoiding the rear backup camera recall because that involves plugging the car into the computer and that'll definitely flag the car TD1. My service advisor said not to do it until warranty ends.
    FYI when I went in for the 40k mile service, I explicitly told the dealer to NOT to do the backup camera recall software update. They did it anyway. I was fuming. Fucking clowns. I've been screwed by multiple Audi dealers in the area and am on the verge of suing one (will know more next week). Anyway, I called APR and APR says no, that's not part of the ECU and it shouldn't be a problem WRT TD1. The dealer never mentioned anything. I drive tons so within a few months I flew past the 50k warranty so now it doesn't matter.

  40. #40
    Veteran Member Three Rings
    Join Date
    Mar 10 2021
    AZ Member #
    591320
    Location
    MA

    I may or may not have emailed two local 034 dynamic+ dealers looking at pricing on stage 1 93 / stage 2 tcu tunes.
    2022 SQ5
    CTS Intercooler, Downpipe
    Jackal / M2 Full custom ECU and TCU
    Diamond Audio Subwoofer + 20'' LightBar
    Custom PCV system + Mishimoto catch can
    ABT HAS, ECS Skid Plate, Roc Euro Intake, DashCam
    034 Trans Insert, Turbo inlet, Sway Bars, Strut Brace, HPFP
    Chrome Delete + CF Mirror Caps / Wide Angle Mirrors, Mud flaps

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  


    © 2001-2025 Audizine, Audizine.com, and Driverzines.com
    Audizine is an independently owned and operated automotive enthusiast community and news website.
    Audi and the Audi logo(s) are copyright/trademark Audi AG. Audizine is not endorsed by or affiliated with Audi AG.