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    So thought I would start a tread for those of us with the competition version as there are some unique differences that might bring up topics.

    I for one am wondering if anyone has checked their KW clickers? Mine all had the tamper tags from the factory on them. However went to check them today to find out the high speed clickers were 2-3 clicks softer than the manual calls for. Anyone else checked theirs?

    Also noticing over larger quick bumps I get a weird sound from the front. Almost like a loose strut brace or could be the rebound valve.


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    Thanks for starting this thread. It will be interesting to see what comes up.

    Maybe I misinterpreted it, but it is my understanding that the manual says that the numbers on the suspension adjustment knobs are for reference and not the actual value. So if you did not make any adjustments to determine if they were off then they may not have been. I have not bothered with mine yet, however I did notice the tamper tags when installing my Vossens.

    I have not noticed any sounds from the front, but I have not been specifically listening for any either. I have also been a bit paranoid over larger bumps since I installed my front splitter, so I really have not hit any at speed. I'll try to pay more attention for rattles and other sounds to see if I notice any.

    I will say that I am glad that the car came with hight adjustable suspension. The hight it comes from the factory looks pretty good with a flush wheel fitment, although it's nice to know that I can go lower if needed.
    I also noticed in the manual that it can actually be lowered more than the 0.4 inches that I have read about elsewhere. You just need an alignment (sensors too?) if you do. Its nice to have options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ_RS5 View Post
    Thanks for starting this thread. It will be interesting to see what comes up.

    Maybe I misinterpreted it, but it is my understanding that the manual says that the numbers on the suspension adjustment knobs are for reference and not the actual value. So if you did not make any adjustments to determine if they were off then they may not have been. I have not bothered with mine yet, however I did notice the tamper tags when installing my Vossens.

    I have not noticed any sounds from the front, but I have not been specifically listening for any either. I have also been a bit paranoid over larger bumps since I installed my front splitter, so I really have not hit any at speed. I'll try to pay more attention for rattles and other sounds to see if I notice any.

    I will say that I am glad that the car came with hight adjustable suspension. The hight it comes from the factory looks pretty good with a flush wheel fitment, although it's nice to know that I can go lower if needed.
    I also noticed in the manual that it can actually be lowered more than the 0.4 inches that I have read about elsewhere. You just need an alignment (sensors too?) if you do. Its nice to have options.
    Regarding the numbers, I noticed that a few weeks ago. I was looking at the rear and saw it at 0 and thought they set it wrong till I read the book. Yesterday I did my first wash after the ppf/ceramic. While I had the car in the air I checked all the clickers and removed the tamper labels.

    This is what I found
    Factory|FrontRear
    Rebound 7 12
    High speed 11 13
    Low speed 9 7

    Since these are basically KW V3 I think, you are open to any hight within reason for the coilover. Basically if you go beyond the OE spec you need an alignment and recalibrate the adaptive sensors. For me the stock hight is perfect, and I have 3-4mm from my quick jacks when I park on top.


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    Quote Originally Posted by a4 4snow View Post
    Since these are basically KW V3 I think, you are open to any hight within reason for the coilover.
    I think the OEM C/Os are KW V4s:

    https://www.kwsuspensions.net/shop?c...oversuspension

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    Quote Originally Posted by B6_Dolphin View Post
    Thanks, couldn’t remember exactly and those look identical other than color.


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    I agree that the Comp car's coilovers are either v4 or something close. Not v3, which doesn't have both slow and high-speed compression adjustment options. The only question I still have is of the spring rates are the same. This interests me a great deal because if they are, I MAY actually be able to find a way to see how v4 feels before I dump another $9K into the car on a leap of faith.

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    The KW V4 manual setup info on the website.

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    For reference, I just weighed the Pirelli Corsa + stock Competition Wheel at 48.2 pounds.

    The tire weighs 29 lbs, according to tiresize.com, so some quick math means the wheel weighs 19.2 lbs.

    That's dam light for a 20-inch wheel.

    I'll be saving the stock tire & wheel combo for HPDEs, because an 80 treadwear rating will likely yield <8k miles of real-world treadwear. I have some Vorsteiner Forged wheels that weigh 24 lbs that will go on as my daily, with either DWS-06+'s or Pilot Sport A/S 4's. The DWS-06+'s weigh-in at 24 lbs, with the Pilot Sport A/S 4's at 27 lbs, so I could be equivalent to stock with the DWS-06+'s... hmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B6_Dolphin View Post
    For reference, I just weighed the Pirelli Corsa + stock Competition Wheel at 48.2 pounds.

    The tire weighs 29 lbs, according to tiresize.com, so some quick math means the wheel weighs 19.2 lbs.

    That's dam light for a 20-inch wheel.

    I'll be saving the stock tire & wheel combo for HPDEs, because an 80 treadwear rating will likely yield <8k miles of real-world treadwear. I have some Vorsteiner Forged wheels that weigh 24 lbs that will go on as my daily, with either DWS-06+'s or Pilot Sport A/S 4's. The DWS-06+'s weigh-in at 24 lbs, with the Pilot Sport A/S 4's at 27 lbs, so I could be equivalent to stock with the DWS-06+'s... hmmm.
    That’s pretty impressive coming stock. Still a little shocked on the high tire pressure they spec on the door sill for these cars.


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    Quote Originally Posted by a4 4snow View Post
    That’s pretty impressive coming stock. Still a little shocked on the high tire pressure they spec on the door sill for these cars.


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    Anyone have a squeak toy sound coming from the front over sharp bumps (man hole covers)? Thought it was the strut brace but the dealer didn’t think it match what they have heard before on the RS5. My thought was it could just be the KW rebound circuit… either way very annoying over sharp bumps.


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    I have not noticed any squeaking.


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    No squeaking here, either. The only unusual noise I have is a buzz from the center console when driving over some well-worn aggregate concrete here in the PNW. I actually had a similar noise in my '21 SQ5, which was fixed by the dealer, and I have an appointment this week with my local dealer to address the buzz.
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    No squeaking here either, just a lovely planted feeling. Probably one of the best suspensions I have driven on.
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    That’s what I was afraid of, love the suspension definitely the best I have had. Just hope this sound doesn’t turn into something bigger. The shop Forman put down on the report it sounded like a dog toy squeaking… I just shook my head. Hate having my cars in the shop so hopefully it’s back soon.


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    Does somebody know what is the OEM wheel alignment for a Audi RS5 Competition Plus? :)
    Would be interesting to compare with the non competition-plus :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagy View Post
    Does somebody know what is the OEM wheel alignment for a Audi RS5 Competition Plus? :)
    Would be interesting to compare with the non competition-plus :)
    Mine is supposedly getting an alignment while at Audi since it was pulling from factory. I’ll see if the give me the printout when I get it back.


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    For those of us with the Competition Package, I contacted 034 Motorsports regarding the ECU/TCU tuning support for this option - here's their response:

    RS5 Competition ECU's are currently locked, and we are still working towards a solution for that.
    We do not have an ETA or any further details at this time.
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    I guess I don't feel bad anymore for not wanting to get a tune right now.

    I'm also curious about the sway bars. Would 034 bars be an upgrade or are they about the same as factory? Anyone know the specs of the factory bars? I have not yet found specs online and I currently don't have calipers to measure the diameter myself. I know its not a legit comparison, but diameter should at least help determine if they are close or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B6_Dolphin View Post
    For those of us with the Competition Package, I contacted 034 Motorsports regarding the ECU/TCU tuning support for this option - here's their response:

    RS5 Competition ECU's are currently locked, and we are still working towards a solution for that.
    We do not have an ETA or any further details at this time.
    Yeah they looked at my car to determine if they could tune them. Waiting for the ECU to be cracked… all the tuning companies use the same firm to crack the ECU so till that happens we just need to wait.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ_RS5 View Post
    I guess I don't feel bad anymore for not wanting to get a tune right now.

    I'm also curious about the sway bars. Would 034 bars be an upgrade or are they about the same as factory? Anyone know the specs of the factory bars? I have not yet found specs online and I currently don't have calipers to measure the diameter myself. I know its not a legit comparison, but diameter should at least help determine if they are close or not.
    From what I saw on the parts diagram it looked like ours are different but was hard to tell. I never measured mine when it was on my lift, however I haven’t felt I needed it. The rear already steps out if I try, and I doubt the 034 would help other than one more thing to be able to adjust.


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    Quote Originally Posted by a4 4snow View Post
    The rear already steps out if I try, and I doubt the 034 would help other than one more thing to be able to adjust.
    Eurocode Tuning makes a nice FRT & RR set:

    https://www.ecodetuning.com/ec0202-0...ategory_id=650

    And so does H&R:

    https://www.achtuning.com/h-r-72056-...rs5-s4-and-s5/

    Eurocode Tuning sells the End Links to complement their sway bars, like 034 Motorsports. H&R does not offer any end links.
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    Anyone play around with wheel spacers and studs with the stock comp wheels? On my SB I’m thinking 10mm would look nice without being too aggressive and throwing rocks all over the side especially when I swap to Cup2’s or PS4S eventually. I have seen people like 10 and 15mm but also there is a difference between SB and Coupe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by a4 4snow View Post
    From what I saw on the parts diagram it looked like ours are different but was hard to tell. I never measured mine when it was on my lift, however I haven’t felt I needed it. The rear already steps out if I try, and I doubt the 034 would help other than one more thing to be able to adjust.


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    I read somewhere (don't remember where) that the sway bars are different than the standard RS5, I am just wondering how close they are to the 034 bars. I don't want to upgrade them, but if it would make a noticeable difference I may consider it in the future. I'll probably go buy some calipers at some point and measure them so I can compare to the 034 specs.

    Anyway, thanks for your input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a4 4snow View Post
    Anyone play around with wheel spacers and studs with the stock comp wheels? On my SB I’m thinking 10mm would look nice without being too aggressive and throwing rocks all over the side especially when I swap to Cup2’s or PS4S eventually. I have seen people like 10 and 15mm but also there is a difference between SB and Coupe.


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    I have not. My OEM wheels/tires are currently hanging on my garage wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ_RS5 View Post
    I'll probably go buy some calipers at some point and measure them so I can compare to the 034 specs. Anyway, thanks for your input.
    I have calipers and I will check the diameters when I change my oil & filter later this week.

    Yeah, I change-out the FF and filter @ 1k miles on all my new cars, and I'll follow up with a UOA from Blackstone Labs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ_RS5 View Post
    I read somewhere (don't remember where) that the sway bars are different than the standard RS5, I am just wondering how close they are to the 034 bars. I don't want to upgrade them, but if it would make a noticeable difference I may consider it in the future. I'll probably go buy some calipers at some point and measure them so I can compare to the 034 specs.

    Anyway, thanks for your input.
    I also read that the Competition package has different sway bars, but that should not be a big surprise. The car has different springs and shocks, different unsprung weight, different tuning for the Sport Differential. All of these components work together and sway bars just tweak the behavior of the base suspension. The sway bars that are appropriate for the standard or sport suspension are not the same sway bars needed by the Competition package suspension. The appropriate sway bar for a given application is dependent on many factors.

    One thing that has always bothered me about the 034 springs and sway bars, is that they make a one-size-fits-all set for A, S and RS cars, and I believe they were even developed before the B9 RS5 was even on the market. So, if you have an RS5, with or without the Competition package, you get the same sway bars as you do for an A5. Granted, they are adjustable, but the onus is on you to figure out the best settings. And, they have zerk fittings, so you have to manually grease them.

    It seems like people modify sway bars for different reasons. Some may want the car to corner flatter, but are less concerned with maximum cornering and ride quality; some are just itching to modify something, and sway bars seem like a pretty safe and easy thing to change; and others are involved in canyon diving, autocross, or the track with the goal is to improve handling.

    If your goal is to improve handling, consider the role of sway bars in modifying the handling of any car. The stiffer the sway bar, the less independent your suspension becomes and the less traction you have on that end of the car. So, if you only stiffen the rear sway bar you get more oversteer; if you only stiffen the front, you get more understeer; if you stiffen both, the effect depends on the relative change at both ends. Your car may corner flatter, but with less traction somewhere.

    If handling is your concern, start with figuring out how the car handles with its existing components and determine what, if anything, needs to change. Does it over or understeer? If change is needed, start with adjustments you can make to the stock components (tire pressure, coilover settings if applicable, etc), and only consider additions like sway bars and strut braces if you can't get the stock components to provide the handling balance that you want.

    If your goal is something other than handling, consider factors like adjustability, maintenance (grease fittings?), and whether or not it is specific to your car or a one-size-fits-all option. All change is not an improvement, so make sure you know what you want to accomplish before you start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan99 View Post
    One thing that has always bothered me about the 034 springs and sway bars, is that they make a one-size-fits-all set for A, S and RS cars, and I believe they were even developed before the B9 RS5 was even on the market. So, if you have an RS5, with or without the Competition package, you get the same sway bars as you do for an A5. Granted, they are adjustable, but the onus is on you to figure out the best settings. And, they have zerk fittings, so you have to manually grease them.
    I know that different manufacturers have different springs for different vehicles. However, from what I've seen, everyone uses the same sway bar for all the various A5 variants (ABT, Eurocode, H&R, and 034). I think that they all use the same sway bar for all B9 based vehicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan99 View Post
    I also read that the Competition package has different sway bars, but that should not be a big surprise. The car has different springs and shocks, different unsprung weight, different tuning for the Sport Differential. All of these components work together and sway bars just tweak the behavior of the base suspension. The sway bars that are appropriate for the standard or sport suspension are not the same sway bars needed by the Competition package suspension. The appropriate sway bar for a given application is dependent on many factors.

    One thing that has always bothered me about the 034 springs and sway bars, is that they make a one-size-fits-all set for A, S and RS cars, and I believe they were even developed before the B9 RS5 was even on the market. So, if you have an RS5, with or without the Competition package, you get the same sway bars as you do for an A5. Granted, they are adjustable, but the onus is on you to figure out the best settings. And, they have zerk fittings, so you have to manually grease them.

    It seems like people modify sway bars for different reasons. Some may want the car to corner flatter, but are less concerned with maximum cornering and ride quality; some are just itching to modify something, and sway bars seem like a pretty safe and easy thing to change; and others are involved in canyon diving, autocross, or the track with the goal is to improve handling.

    If your goal is to improve handling, consider the role of sway bars in modifying the handling of any car. The stiffer the sway bar, the less independent your suspension becomes and the less traction you have on that end of the car. So, if you only stiffen the rear sway bar you get more oversteer; if you only stiffen the front, you get more understeer; if you stiffen both, the effect depends on the relative change at both ends. Your car may corner flatter, but with less traction somewhere.

    If handling is your concern, start with figuring out how the car handles with its existing components and determine what, if anything, needs to change. Does it over or understeer? If change is needed, start with adjustments you can make to the stock components (tire pressure, coilover settings if applicable, etc), and only consider additions like sway bars and strut braces if you can't get the stock components to provide the handling balance that you want.

    If your goal is something other than handling, consider factors like adjustability, maintenance (grease fittings?), and whether or not it is specific to your car or a one-size-fits-all option. All change is not an improvement, so make sure you know what you want to accomplish before you start.
    Very wise Danielson. It is appreciated when you (and others) share your knowledge and experience with performance noobs like myself.

    My underlying concern (curiosity) is if the cost of the Comp package resulted in comparable components to a typical "aftermarket upgrade" or if I just wasted my money because aftermarket parts would make a noticeable difference. My hope in getting the comp package was that there would be no point in getting aftermarket parts and I wouldn't have to sell my wife on upgrades to a new car. The shocks/springs seem to be confirmed as KWv4, so I feel that was worth it. I just can't help but wonder if the sway bars are in the same ballpark or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ_RS5 View Post
    Very wise Danielson. It is appreciated when you (and others) share your knowledge and experience with performance noobs like myself.

    My underlying concern (curiosity) is if the cost of the Comp package resulted in comparable components to a typical "aftermarket upgrade" or if I just wasted my money because aftermarket parts would make a noticeable difference. My hope in getting the comp package was that there would be no point in getting aftermarket parts and I wouldn't have to sell my wife on upgrades to a new car. The shocks/springs seem to be confirmed as KWv4, so I feel that was worth it. I just can't help but wonder if the sway bars are in the same ballpark or not.
    Easiest think to do is check their part numbers to see if they're different or measure them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ_RS5 View Post
    Very wise Danielson. It is appreciated when you (and others) share your knowledge and experience with performance noobs like myself.

    My underlying concern (curiosity) is if the cost of the Comp package resulted in comparable components to a typical "aftermarket upgrade" or if I just wasted my money because aftermarket parts would make a noticeable difference. My hope in getting the comp package was that there would be no point in getting aftermarket parts and I wouldn't have to sell my wife on upgrades to a new car. The shocks/springs seem to be confirmed as KWv4, so I feel that was worth it. I just can't help but wonder if the sway bars are in the same ballpark or not.
    Personally, I would assume Audi engineers have selected sway bars based on how they interact with the coilivers, lighter wheels and high performance tires, Competition-specific tuning for the sport differential, and the changes to weight distribution and unsprung weight, over the characteristics of a one-size-fits-all third party sway bar designed before the B9 RS5 was available.

    Many people have no idea of Audi's racing heritage. Audi dominated bmw and mb in the DTM series, and when they chose to compete at LeMans where they won 13 years in a row. They know how to build cars that handle. I would start with the premise that Audi knows what they are doing and only look at changes that target a specific shortcoming that you experience.

    You already have more experience with the Competition package than the rest of us. Get to know what you have before you try to improve it. And, let us know how it goes.

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    I'm living vicariously through all of you right now. I just received the Audi email telling me my Navarra Blue Comp is out of production. At least I have a VIN number now!
    I've already purchased 034 Resonator Delete Pipes and a set of HRE Forged RC100 Monoblok wheels (Satin Charcoal) with Michelin PS4 285/30 20 All Season Tires. (I live in Michigan.)
    I'll have the car PPF'd and ceramic coated as soon as I take delivery.
    One change in my order from the factory; Audi can not get Ceramic rotors right now so mine will be delivered with steel.
    I may switch to GiroDisc Rotors with Ceramic Pads. (I have them on my 991.2 GTS and like them.)
    I also bought the CETE Module so I can permanently turn off the auto start/stop.
    Is there anything else I should consider? I do not want to tune right now because I don't want any warranty issues. I can do that in a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine1 View Post
    I'm living vicariously through all of you right now. I just received the Audi email telling me my Navarra Blue Comp is out of production. At least I have a VIN number now!
    I've already purchased 034 Resonator Delete Pipes and a set of HRE Forged RC100 Monoblok wheels (Satin Charcoal) with Michelin PS4 285/30 20 All Season Tires. (I live in Michigan.)
    I'll have the car PPF'd and ceramic coated as soon as I take delivery.
    One change in my order from the factory; Audi can not get Ceramic rotors right now so mine will be delivered with steel.
    I may switch to GiroDisc Rotors with Ceramic Pads. (I have them on my 991.2 GTS and like them.)
    I also bought the CETE Module so I can permanently turn off the auto start/stop.
    Is there anything else I should consider? I do not want to tune right now because I don't want any warranty issues. I can do that in a few years.
    Hope they give you a huge discount for no ccb. Also there is no stop start on RS cars… at least the few I owned.


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    Thanks for the info. I'm glad to hear that I won't have to deal with the stop/start. Maybe the CETE module will work on our Q8.
    They did give me a discount because of no CCBs. The MSRP came in at $95,110.00 including: NAV Package (probably not needed.) Side Assist Package, Black Roof, and Driver Assistance Package.
    I'll sell the Comp Package wheels & tires and recoup some of the cost of the HRE Wheels. I think the silver wheels look out of place with everything else blacked out. I think the matte charcoal HRE wheels will match the carbon fiber accents better.

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    Those of you who live in an area where there is winter/snow, what tires are you using? I'm in Boston and wondering if I should get winter/snow tires or a set of All Seasons? Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pearls24 View Post
    Those of you who live in an area where there is winter/snow, what tires are you using? I'm in Boston and wondering if I should get winter/snow tires or a set of All Seasons? Thoughts?
    I already switched out the Comp wheels w/Pirelli Corsas for Vorsteiner VPX-101s w/Michelin Pilot Sport 4 A/S tires. They are my daily with the Comp wheels & tires being used for Auto-X & HPDEs. In the PNW river valley, we get 6+ rainy months with 2-3 months where it may snow, so I bought the Vorsteiners & Michelins to cover "all seasons".

    Oh, and the soft Corsas pick up every pebble and stone on the road, so I'm certainly not missing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pearls24 View Post
    Those of you who live in an area where there is winter/snow, what tires are you using? I'm in Boston and wondering if I should get winter/snow tires or a set of All Seasons? Thoughts?
    Seems like a contradiction to get the Competition package, then use All Season tires, since that package is all about handling.

    By the way, I'm not sure how much snow you get, but Winter tires are better than All Seasons in snow and on cold surfaces. They will also ride better when it's really cold, as they are more compliant as temperatures drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan99 View Post
    Seems like a contradiction to get the Competition package, then use All Season tires, since that package is all about handling.

    By the way, I'm not sure how much snow you get, but Winter tires are better than All Seasons in snow and on cold surfaces. They will also ride better when it's really cold, as they are more compliant as temperatures drop.
    I was asking the question because it seems like a lot of users have gone the route of all seasons. The one thing I hate about the stock tires is how much rock/debris clings to them and I hear them going through the wheel walls. The dealer said the tires heat up quickly and are super soft/sticky so that is why. I'm in Boston and winters can get pretty cold and snowy. On my last car, S6, I had a set of Vredestein winter tires that were great so I was leaning towards those or something similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pearls24 View Post
    I was asking the question because it seems like a lot of users have gone the route of all seasons. The one thing I hate about the stock tires is how much rock/debris clings to them and I hear them going through the wheel walls. The dealer said the tires heat up quickly and are super soft/sticky so that is why. I'm in Boston and winters can get pretty cold and snowy. On my last car, S6, I had a set of Vredestein winter tires that were great so I was leaning towards those or something similar.
    Perhaps a different set of summer tires, so you can take full advantage of the car you bought. All summer tires don't pick up rocks and debris. I have not had that problem with either Michelin PS4S or Continental SportContact6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan99 View Post
    Perhaps a different set of summer tires, so you can take full advantage of the car you bought. All summer tires don't pick up rocks and debris. I have not had that problem with either Michelin PS4S or Continental SportContact6.

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    It's a lease so don't think I really want to buy new summer tires AND buy winter tires. :)

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