RS3 Manual Swap

[sniqow]

Just curious if anyone out there has tried it, looked into it or knows of it's existence.

Couldn't find anything on search engines.

I'd imagine someone would swap in the manual trans from a Golf R, since people have swapped the 2.5 into Golf R's?

[o1turbo30v]

I would have to agree with MikTip, but it probably could be done not with a golf r trans but the previous generation TTRS since those came in a manual

[sniqow]

Get the DSG tuned!

Much better tuned!

Does it make "manual" shifting more responsive? I notice it's not very responsive bordering on fucking slow.

Why?

Every car I've owned save 2 ( '07 jaguar XJ & a pickup ) has been manual, don't get me wrong I love the DSG but there's a primitive animal inside me that wants to bang gears & I wonder if it'd be possible.

[TheContrarian]

It would probably add a second to the 0-60 time and then the manual would come apart.

[Spinnetti]

Its been done - search Youtube. No matter how good the DSG is, a manual is more satisfying. We don't all "live a quarter mile at a time". 0-60 is only a small part of the experience. I'd love a manual, but not worth the investment (I do have a manual R8, so kinda got that covered but would still prefer a manual in my daily).

[mtwallace85]

Made me think of this build which I believe is the latest gen 2.5 with a transmission from a MK2 TTRS.

https://youtu.be/uTuzGeV_E_w

[CavEsk1337]

Does it make "manual" shifting more responsive? I notice it's not very responsive bordering on fucking slow.

I have the Unitronic stage 2 DSG tune and seems to make the shifts crisper and more responsive, at least when you're on it more then putting around. Sometimes when putting around and i'm "manual" shifting, it still sometimes feels delayed.

[Spinnetti]

I have UNI stage II too and its still a PITA compared to a manual. For instance, if I come into a corner hot, and downshift mid-corner, it may or many not let me manage both the throttle and the shift which can make for some frightening cornering above 8/10ths. Sometimes it will fall flat and not let me give it throttle OR shift even in sport/manual mode with TC as off as it will get - the auto fights me more than helps me. Its fine for grocery getting, but sucks for true performance driving. Its nowhere near as good as a manual, regardless of the fact that its faster in a drag race.

[waltersh790824]

They asked whether or not someone has done a manual swap, not to hear you guys harp on about the DSGs.

[Gberg888]

He wants to do a manual swap and everyone is saying its stupid... Yet Porsche still makes the GT3 with a manual...

He wants help doing it not people shitting on the actual idea.

[Spinnetti]

Contact these guys. Definitely doable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5sl...nel=tommyfyeah

[noseyp]

I have the Unitronic stage 2 DSG tune and seems to make the shifts crisper and more responsive, at least when you're on it more then putting around. Sometimes when putting around and i'm "manual" shifting, it still sometimes feels delayed.

The putting around delay is probably because the dsg guessed wrong on whether you wanted to downshift or upshift. The second clutch (dct is dual clutch transmission) is engaged in a gear above or below the one you're in. Why shifts can be so fast. It's not actually shifting just releasing one clutch and clamping the other. When you're putting around it's probably guessing efficiency and has the higher gear ready. When you drop a gear, it actually needs to change gears for the second clutch which is the delay you experience. You notice it the most in comfort on highway at 65 mph in 7th gear when you floor it with the kickdown. The drop to 3rd gear is on the same clutch as 7th (odds and evens) so it takes forever.

I originally regretted not having a manual but the dct is a manual without a clutch pedal (because it has two clutches). You can engine brake like a manual, launch like a manual, it's just the computer that controls the clutches. You can even not hit the paddle hard enough and run into the redline at 90mph in 3rd gear and shit your pants like a manual!

[Gberg888]

A Porsche GT3 is a whole different animal compared to an RS3...

Borderline top of their line performance vehicle? Okay fine, The M3/4 comes with a stick too.

[sniqow]

I have UNI stage II too and its still a PITA compared to a manual. For instance, if I come into a corner hot, and downshift mid-corner, it may or many not let me manage both the throttle and the shift which can make for some frightening cornering above 8/10ths. Sometimes it will fall flat and not let me give it throttle OR shift even in sport/manual mode with TC as off as it will get - the auto fights me more than helps me. Its fine for grocery getting, but sucks for true performance driving. Its nowhere near as good as a manual, regardless of the fact that its faster in a drag race.

Thanks for getting it, & the link response, I'll be contacting them about it.

[Kei_Loper]

I wish the RS3 and S3 (also TTS/TTRS) came with a manual option. That would be absolutely amazing! I remember seeing someone out there with a manual swap into an 8v S3 a year or two ago. Pretty sure it was on this forum even...

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[clumsyme]

dont list to the nay sayers. I manual swapped my S3 and it was the best thing I could have done to the car. If you want to talk nitty gritty let me know and I can walk you through some of the stuff needed to get it done. Its not the easy but doable.

[mtwallace85]

Does VW/Audi even make a manual gearbox that can be swapped into an RS3? 400+hp rated plus clutch? Transverse setup?

Gee...didn't think about that...

Whats sooooo "amazing" about a manual gearbox? You a "racer-x" guy who tracks the car on weekends yet mild-mannered daily drives to work?

Amazing to see what it does to your pocket book.

More power to the guy who does swap one into an RS3. Especially from this crowd here! Post about cup holder mods!

Highly doubtful it will happen any time soon...

Heres the Auto-2-manual swap I did back 22 years ago on my Audi V6:

https://www.audiworld.com/forums/aud.../#post18170935

https://www.audiworld.com/forums/aud...plete-2069398/

If you’re going to be a d*ck, at least be right. Ever heard of the MKII/8J TTRS? I imagine the 8P RS3 came in a manual too but we didn’t get it in the states, but we got the TTRS. Let me refer you to my post quite a few back where this has already been done in a TTRS which is essentially the same exact thing.

https://youtu.be/uTuzGeV_E_w

Clearly you haven’t looked too closely if all you’re finding is cup holder mods lol. I also find it kind of interesting how you’re shi**ing all over OP for this idea and manual transmissions in general and then share you’re previous manual swaps. You okay, dude?

[RockJGC]

Hey dickhead! Takes one to know one! I havent looked closely cause I dont give two shits about converting or speculating converting an RS3 to a manual! I have better things to do with my time as do you! Dickhead! You want my support of OP...if you actually read my post above I support such. But highly dont think its ever gonna happen! Nothing wrong with me thinking such! TTRS I dont have so guess what...I dont care about! Obviously your the expert so help the guy and dont worry about me! Dickhead!

LOL...don't get your panties in a knot, buddy. He was right, it's definitely possible to do a manual swap in an RS3. There are still enthusiasts who prefer the connection that's only possible with a manual transmission. Anything else is just some form of automatic and that's not something that everyone wants. But yeah, it's possible to manual swap virtually any car if you have the desire to do it. When the MKV Supra came out a few years ago, it was ZF8-speed only. So a company came out with a manual swap on that car even though it never had a manual transmission available in the first place. And now of course the car is available with a manual transmission from the factory. The point is that it's certainly something that can be done for those who truly love driving manual transmission cars. Personally, I wouldn't want a sports car or sporty car for that matter with anything but a manual. All of my vehicles are manual except for my SUV and that's the way I prefer it.

[clumsyme]

For the ones that care: https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...t-for-3-pedals

Also to answer the questions about trans mount up. You can use the trans out of a PP pack GTI or Golf R. I would go with GTI as it has a taller 5/6 gearing. Either one will bolt up, you will need a longer internal bevel box mounting bolt as the stock DSG one is shorter. As for clutch to hold the power, you would have to go pretty aggressive to hold the power and it might not be streetable if you are looking to tune it. But if I was going to down this route, I would just leave the engine stock and there are plenty of clutch step ups that are rated to handle the stock power of the 2.5.

Why do the swap.... Because why not? The car is my fun weekend canyon car and I wanted wanted to go slower also because DSG farts are gross.

[mtwallace85]

Hey dickhead! Takes one to know one! I havent looked closely cause I dont give two shits about converting or speculating converting an RS3 to a manual! I have better things to do with my time as do you! Dickhead!

You don’t give a shit and you have better things to do with your time but you’re still in here replying to everybody? Okay buddy

But highly dont think its ever gonna happen! Nothing wrong with me thinking such! TTRS I dont have so guess what...I dont care about!

It’s been done. You may not care about it, but it’s been done already. Your opinion is wrong, plain and simple. Try not to have a stroke and get over it.

Why so much anger?

[sniqow]

For the ones that care: https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...t-for-3-pedals

Also to answer the questions about trans mount up. You can use the trans out of a PP pack GTI or Golf R. I would go with GTI as it has a taller 5/6 gearing. Either one will bolt up, you will need a longer internal bevel box mounting bolt as the stock DSG one is shorter. As for clutch to hold the power, you would have to go pretty aggressive to hold the power and it might not be streetable if you are looking to tune it. But if I was going to down this route, I would just leave the engine stock and there are plenty of clutch step ups that are rated to handle the stock power of the 2.5.

Why do the swap.... Because why not? The car is my fun weekend canyon car and I wanted wanted to go slower also because DSG farts are gross.

I'm actually really surprised after all the searching I've done I haven't found one solid link to a manual swapped RS3 build.

I've bookmarked the helpful links including yours (thanks)

This and for me this is probably a year away but I've gone from curious to a little motivated.

[texasboy21]

Not only has the manual swap been done, but folks also ENGINE swap the 5 cylinder into manual platforms - like the mk7 golf R. So totally doable.

[DumpsterRatz]

For the ones that care: https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...t-for-3-pedals

Also to answer the questions about trans mount up. You can use the trans out of a PP pack GTI or Golf R. I would go with GTI as it has a taller 5/6 gearing. Either one will bolt up, you will need a longer internal bevel box mounting bolt as the stock DSG one is shorter. As for clutch to hold the power, you would have to go pretty aggressive to hold the power and it might not be streetable if you are looking to tune it. But if I was going to down this route, I would just leave the engine stock and there are plenty of clutch step ups that are rated to handle the stock power of the 2.5.

Why do the swap.... Because why not? The car is my fun weekend canyon car and I wanted wanted to go slower also because DSG farts are gross.

ah there you are. My hero. I saw that swap a while back and was hoping to do it one day.

MikTip it's clear you don't even know how to drive a manual, just leave this thread bro, try it, you'll like it. anyone who shits on manual just doesnt get it, and frankly doesnt get the true joy of driving cars period. argue till the sun comes down, non manual people just don't get it, never will.

[texasboy21]

At this point I dont think anyone claims manual cars to be faster than a dual clutch or PDK car. It's totally an 'experience' thing that isn't measured by an incrementally better statistic or metric. Lot's of people used to drive manuals, however very few still do today. And only a fraction of those few take a really great (but automatic) car and manual swap it.

IMO that's pretty legit, and don't understand the problem here.

[Carson (K03x2)]

Well, for what its worth I've done the DSG to Manual swap 3 times now on 8P A3s - 1 FWD on a BPY, and 2 quattro CCTAs. And I'm building a forged crank BPS 2.5 07K motor for boost to stick into it next. YouTube video is here in case anyone wants to check it out. https://youtu.be/fdAu07F9Oo8 I'll be documenting the whole 07K swap too.
And yeah, I know its an 8P and not an 8V, but the parts are mostly the same. Substitute a couple of MQB Golf R parts here and there...obviously one of the members here swapped his 8V S3. All the firewalls are built with the hole to accept the clutch master.

[sniqow]

I talked to the best Audi tuner (according to some audi friends in my area) and they would need to swap in alot of parts from a Golf R
I'd basically need to find a Golf R with an intact drivetrain & wiring harness at an autowrecker, it would be an amalgamation of the two cars and take a few months for them to complete, unless I were to do it myself it would cost restrictive.

[ChatYTB]

Just curious if anyone out there has tried it, looked into it or knows of it's existence.

Couldn't find anything on search engines.

I'd imagine someone would swap in the manual trans from a Golf R, since people have swapped the 2.5 into Golf R's?

You really need to search in EU and UK videos on yt and you would find ..
Yes u can swap vw and audi are same using same parts and škoda and seat too
Watch this video : https://youtu.be/SoysLsaOfDE

[ChatYTB]

At this point I dont think anyone claims manual cars to be faster than a dual clutch or PDK car. It's totally an 'experience' thing that isn't measured by an incrementally better statistic or metric. Lot's of people used to drive manuals, however very few still do today. And only a fraction of those few take a really great (but automatic) car and manual swap it.

IMO that's pretty legit, and don't understand the problem here.

Exactly
It must be a nightmare these days with roads of full of traffics everywhere
And constantly changing gears NO Thanks
Dual clutch is 5x faster ..

[texasboy21]

Exactly
It must be a nightmare these days with roads of full of traffics everywhere
And constantly changing gears NO Thanks
Dual clutch is 5x faster ..

I know right??!?!?! You have to use your HANDS AND FEET! YUCK!

What's next, having to pay attention while driving..??? Booooorrrrrrringgggg! How are you supposed to do stuff in the car if your're too busy driving?

[Spinnetti]

End of the day, I just sold my S3 99% because its not a manual, so some of us still care about the experience! I'll replace it with a GR Corolla manual (since I can get one as a company car)