All Seasons Tires

[SoonerChris]

@Mops@Nemesis recommended Conti DSW 06 Plus but they seem to be out of stock everywhere. What are you all running for all seasons? What do you like? What don’t you like?

[eightamrock]

@Mops@Nemesis recommended Conti DSW 06 Plus but they seem to be out of stock everywhere. What are you all running for all seasons? What do you like? What don’t you like?

Im running Michelin AS/3+, but I hate them. They are very noisy. I bought them because the PSS tires are my favorite summer tire, so I figured they'd be a close all season alternative, not so. This is less of what to buy, and more of what NOT to buy.

[SoonerChris]

Well I called Tire Rack and was able to order them. They said the website only shows closest distribution center. Supposed to ship 12/2.

[Diesel S5]

When i ran the DWS 06 it was a good all season tire but I hated how it would always have a flat spot the next morning… supremely annoying…

[DCB1951]

I have DWS06 on the rear axle and DWS06+ on the front axle (dealing with pothole blowouts, which is why the versions differ). Front tires are 15k miles old and the rear tires are 32k miles old (not a misprint). Just took the car in for 40k service and the multi-point inspection report says that there is 7mm tread depth all around. Tires are quiet and have plenty of grip, especially dry but also wet. When it snows here, everyone stays off the road and works remotely, so the roads are plowed within 24 hours. I've been caught in snow only a few times and with a modest layer of snow and smart winter driving, the tires grip fine.

Can't say enough good things about these tires.

[JohnEnglish]

My sister has Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4 on her car as her summer tire and they're great.

[kmarei]

i have the DWs plus
very good tires, but i now know why they are lighter than the DSW
they have a very fragile sidewall
curbed 2 of them and both times the sidewall was ripped, and tire had to be replaced
ive had the DSW on 3 preior cars, never had to replace any of them

[LYKUNO]

Interesting comparison on high performance all-season tires. From the video's description: "Oct 19, 2022. In this mini test I compare the plus version of the best ultra high performance all season tires on the market, the Bridgestone Potenza RE980AS+, the Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus, the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 and the Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus in the dry, wet and snow to see which is the best tire overall! Can the current champion, the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 retain it's lead? Only one way to find out!"

[Gregory_Tolson]

Hah, i just bought my all season tires a few weeks ago. I was really wanting the DWS06 tires from Continental as mentioned in this forum, though the tires kept getting pushed on back order. Decided to shell out the extra $$ and get Michelin Pilot Sport 4 All Seasons. Even though the tires feel great at low speeds they unfortunately vibrate on the highway, after a 2nd balance and mount Tire Rack is sending me another set, claiming they might not be round. They are the 255/35zr19 size. Hoping this fixes the issues. They drive amazingly under 50 mph.

I just bought my 2019 Ascari Blue A5 back in October with 17,000 miles and it came with the Hankook summer tires since it was the premium plus with S line trim. Noticed the car came with the flat bottom steering wheel and summer tires (some i noticed had different wheels and no summer tires and was the S-line?), not sure of all the packages within the Premium Plus trim. Its unfortunate i could not stick with the summers on since we are hitting December here in New England. From experience summer tires do not survive up here, and i didnt want to do summers and winters since the car is AWD. Would only make sense to go the summer/winter tire route if the car was RWD. Just not willing to pay for the change over after the seasons and would be more expensive.

[HyperM3]

I am running the PS4A/S and I really really like them. I ran the 3A/S twice on my previous two leases and the 4A/S is quieter and seems to be better in the snow that Ive encountered. Ive used the DWS in original and 06 form as well and they were good, probably better in the snow, but gave up grip sooner than the Michelin when pushed to the edge in the dry. Also, I can concur they flat spotted if left unmoved for a day or two.

[Gregory_Tolson]

Interesting, from my research the Continentals had a little bit better tread life and they claimed to be less noisy on the road. The michelins basically did best in performance driving and feel more sporty. Seeing them compared to the summer and winter tires with the Tyre Review youtube channel i was shocked to see how well they did in comparison to Michelin's winter tires. I do pray i get good treadlife on these things. They cost around $1200 for all four which was quite steep for 19" tires. They have an unusual low profile at this size. Surprised audi didnt go 255/40r19 since that shorter side wall limited the tires i could buy. Would of been interesting to see how the cross climates would of performed but they dont make them in 255/35r19 size.

[Dave10]

Just so everyone knows tire production is down all around the world and that’s why tire availability is at such low levels.

A friend of my mine worked for Continental and a 3rd of ALL raw rubber materials for all tire manufacturers comes from Russia. I don’t think I need to explain anymore after that.

That is also the reason the new Conni SPORTCONTACT 7’s are taking so long to be available in North America.

Also all season tires are not excellent in any season they are only slightly above average. They are designed to be a compromise of all tires and you can tell after you have driven with dedicated Winter and Sumer tires. I use OEM beater rims for Winter with snows and nice aftermarket rims and super grippy summer tires.

That is why I run dedicated Winter Snow tires and Dedicated Summer tires.

[Dan99]

Interesting, from my research the Continentals had a little bit better tread life and they claimed to be less noisy on the road. The michelins basically did best in performance driving and feel more sporty. Seeing them compared to the summer and winter tires with the Tyre Review youtube channel i was shocked to see how well they did in comparison to Michelin's winter tires. I do pray i get good treadlife on these things. They cost around $1200 for all four which was quite steep for 19" tires. They have an unusual low profile at this size. Surprised audi didnt go 255/40r19 since that shorter side wall limited the tires i could buy. Would of been interesting to see how the cross climates would of performed but they dont make them in 255/35r19 size.

Not sure which Tyre Review youtube video you watched. I could not find one with the exact comparison you mentioned, so it would be helpful if you posted a link. I did find one recent video that compares all season with winter tires, but it does not include any of the tires discussed above. My own experience with treadlife is that Michelin does better than Continental when it comes to dedicated summer or winter tires. My Continentals were less noisy than the Michelins but the difference only is evident on certain road surfaces.

[82 Coupe]

im taking delivery of my new to me S5 shortly. it comes with new summer tires.
i live in NYC. shiould i get winters or all seasons?
theres usually 1-2 big storms but temps can stay in the teens.
usually 1 or 2 school snow days, if that helps
im looking at michelin alpins

[JohnEnglish]

Dedicated winter tires

[Gregory_Tolson]

From my experience living in Rhode Island and now Massachusetts for many years all seasons is all you need. I got by on all seasons on my previous car, FWD Ford Fusion, for many years. The Audi is AWD so you have that extra benefit. NYC probably gets the same amount of winter storms as Rhode Island. I get having the winter tires are super nice and fun when the snow comes down hard but generally people arent going to work or school when we get a 15"+ snow storm unless you have to be in at your job. When we get 10" of snow and everyone has to go to work the plows do an amazing job here making a FWD car on all seasons manageable. Its up to you if you are willing to put the extra cost in and get 2 sets. The annoyance of having them changed over after every season is there which is why a lot of people buy beater wheels for the winter, which can be cheap if you get a small size. Just sucks when you have a 60 degree day in December or March and you have hideous looking rims on the car.

Now if I lived north of Massachusetts id get dedicated snows and summers.

I'm also a person thats all about brands when it comes to tires, the price of michelin pilot sport 4 all seasons and the pilot sport 4S's is drastic. Imagine buying winters on top of the 4S's and an extra set of wheels. Turns into being way too much. No one will notice you have 4S's on your car except for true auto enthusiasts and maybe will help shave a second off a lap time from the all seasons, no translation to normal commuting on highways. Having at least michelins on is good enough for me.

[HyperM3]

im taking delivery of my new to me S5 shortly. it comes with new summer tires.
i live in NYC. shiould i get winters or all seasons?
theres usually 1-2 big storms but temps can stay in the teens.
usually 1 or 2 school snow days, if that helps
im looking at michelin alpins

Not worth the investment if you only see two or three snow days, just get all seasons. I experience the same weather as you and the only thing winters are good for is wearing them out when theres no snow. Like someone else said, if you lived somewhere that gets a lot of snow per season or it wasnt cleaned up that quickly, then snows are worth it. All seasons are safely rated to go into the freezing temps.

[Liquid Smoke]

@82 Coupe: yeah i'm in NYC as well and never needed winter tires, been running all-seasons on my Audis for a decade now thru winters and daily commutes in snow, etc. and been fine. we don't really need winter tires here. i just run all-seasons all year round.

i ran DWS06 for a few years on my B8. right now on my B9.5 S5 I run Vredestein Hypertracs, they are very good tires, great reviews, pretty close to the DWS i'd say and definitely worth it. got a great price for them on tirerack.

[Dan99]

im taking delivery of my new to me S5 shortly. it comes with new summer tires.
i live in NYC. shiould i get winters or all seasons?
theres usually 1-2 big storms but temps can stay in the teens.
usually 1 or 2 school snow days, if that helps
im looking at michelin alpins

It depends if you want to swap tires in the Spring and Fall, or if you just want to keep the same tires on year-round:

If you want to keep the same tires on year-round, you must use All Seasons. This is because summer tires should not be used below 40F and winter tires wear too fast in hot weather. So, All Season tires are the only ones that are compatible with the temperatures in NYC.

However, if you don't mind swapping tires each Spring and Fall, you will get better summer performance than All Season tires if you use dedicated summer performance tires. And, you will get better winter performance than All Seasons (on both cold dry roads and snow) if you use dedicated winter tires. However, I would not swap summer and winter tires on the same wheels. Mounting and dismounting the tires each Spring and Fall is harder on the tires. So, a decision to use dedicated summer and winter tires is also a decision to purchase a second set of wheels.

[dal59]

I would go with A/S all day long. Michelin A/S4 which I have and love! Living in Atlanta I use them more for the days when temps. are below 40-50 degrees as opposed to snow. However, I grew up in NY and back then we had bald tires and didn't even have a limited slip differential. With AWD and great tires, you should have no problems at all. The only thing that would present a problem would be a height - clearance issue if roads not plowed and at that point it would not matter what tires you had.

[82 Coupe]

thanks everyone maybe you can clear up something for me Pep boys said they have a Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S and that its all season.
is that what 4s means? i thought was AS4.
https://www.pepboys.com/michelin-pil.../tires/1945775
the page says "all season" the guy could not tell me anything different than the webpage when i asked if it was wrong.

[HyperM3]

thanks everyone maybe you can clear up something for me Pep boys said they have a Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S and that its all season.
is that what 4s means? i thought was AS4.
https://www.pepboys.com/michelin-pil.../tires/1945775
the page says "all season" the guy could not tell me anything different than the webpage when i asked if it was wrong.

That is definitely NOT the all season version. Also, please find another tire place if your contact there is confused or unsure if this is or is not an all season tire.

[Gregory_Tolson]

thanks everyone maybe you can clear up something for me Pep boys said they have a Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S and that its all season.
is that what 4s means? i thought was AS4.
https://www.pepboys.com/michelin-pil.../tires/1945775
the page says "all season" the guy could not tell me anything different than the webpage when i asked if it was wrong.

Michelin Pilot All Season Sport 4 have this on the sidewall, these are the ones you want, they say "All Season" on the sidewall:


The 4S are the summer version of the pilot sports.

[82 Coupe]

thats what i thought. i was annoyed that their telephone guy and their in-store guy both insisted it was all season and refused to verify beyond the website.
thanks

[a4audi4fun]

I'd also suggest to always go back to the manufacturer's website for final confirmation, when a retailer is providing unclear info. You could then specify the model name as per the manufacturer and it's up to the retailer to provide that model or deal with any resulting mismatch.

[dal59]

thats what i thought. i was annoyed that their telephone guy and their in-store guy both insisted it was all season and refused to verify beyond the website.
thanks

Also, do not think I would be comfortable with Pep Boys doing a good job on road force balancing. I may be wrong but may be better to go to a more "performance" orientated shop. Just my opinion.

[mspech]

I’ve been using the Conti’s since the original DWS’ then the DWS 06’s and now DWS 06+’s. They are an awesome all season tire with great tread wear and performance, (I live in Denver.) I’ve tried all the other high performance tires prior and always had a problem with tread wear or just being not that great for all seasons. You can’t beat the quality for the price. Tire Rack has always had them in stock.


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[kringtan]

I researched on all season tires and ultimately it was between the Continental DWS06 plus or the Michelin Pilot 4S. Although there have a lot of good options here https://www.corwheels.com/best-all-season-tires/ but unltimately I chose the Continental and am blown away by how well it does in all conditions in the PNW weather. I am sure the Michelin is no slouch.

[Marc2023S5]

I just picked up a 23 S5 Sportback. It came with summer 20's. In looking on the Tire Rack site for 20" all seasons, the Michelins are the only ones showing up. Are there others?

[Redblueblur]

I have the Pilot Sport All Season 4 tires, they are amazing in the snow.

[Gregory_Tolson]

I just picked up a 23 S5 Sportback. It came with summer 20's. In looking on the Tire Rack site for 20" all seasons, the Michelins are the only ones showing up. Are there others?

Might make sense since they are 20's. Mine has 19's and there were more offerings. The larger and wider tires tend to be less mass produced.

[Tyresian]

I just picked up a 23 S5 Sportback. It came with summer 20's. In looking on the Tire Rack site for 20" all seasons, the Michelins are the only ones showing up. Are there others?

There should be Continental DWS 06 PLUS available, unless they're out of stock or something.

[Marc2023S5]

The Continentals are NOT available in 20's, but they do have 19's. Looks like Michelin is the only choice...which is fine.

[JBRIII]

Looking at the Michelins and Continental on tire rack and the Pilot 4 A/S has a 30k warranty and the DW60+’s have a 50k. What type of life are people experiencing with these tires? My P7 Cinturato’s have about 24k miles on them and look to have a lot of life left. Just trying to plan ahead.

[jhAudi]

Looking at the Michelins and Continental on tire rack and the Pilot 4 A/S has a 30k warranty and the DW60+’s have a 50k. What type of life are people experiencing with these tires? My P7 Cinturato’s have about 24k miles on them and look to have a lot of life left. Just trying to plan ahead.

I haven't gotten over 20k out of the conti DWS06's but 20K is about all I ever get out of any tire on most cars I have owned beside a couple pickups. Driving style is probably the biggest factor in what to expect. I didn't buy the S5 to drive it like an A5. I am ok getting less miles out of the tire and enjoying the cars performance. I replaced the DWS's with the same tire recently. They are quiet, good in the weather and handle quite well. For the cost they are great value imo.

[JBRIII]

I haven't gotten over 20k out of the conti DWS06's but 20K is about all I ever get out of any tire on most cars I have owned beside a couple pickups. Driving style is probably the biggest factor in what to expect. I didn't buy the S5 to drive it like an A5. I am ok getting less miles out of the tire and enjoying the cars performance. I replaced the DWS's with the same tire recently. They are quiet, good in the weather and handle quite well. For the cost they are great value imo.

So I should get at least 40k lol!!!

[kmarei]

The Continentals are NOT available in 20's, but they do have 19's. Looks like Michelin is the only choice...which is fine.

i have the 275/30 20" DWS 06 + on my RS-5
can't you upsize from 265/30 to 275/30?
it will fill out the wheel arch a bit and wider tire
it's 3mm higher than 265/30

[Marc2023S5]

i have the 275/30 20" DWS 06 + on my RS-5
can't you upsize from 265/30 to 275/30?
it will fill out the wheel arch a bit and wider tire
it's 3mm higher than 265/30

Thank you. I didn't consider upsizing but that makes sense.

[Marc2023S5]

Are there others out there that can confirm upsizing from 265 30-20 to 275 30-20 will not negatively affect the performance of the S5 in any noticeable way? Tire Rack confirms the wider tires will fit the 265 rims, but cannot say if it will be a problem on the vehicle itself.