DAZA Built engine/clutches recommendations from FF turbo experienced

[srosey]

Was wanting to throw a hybrid turbo on my RS3 but figured might as well go all out and do a full frame turbo in the near future.

Starting to collect parts for the build and was seeing if I could get some recommendations/opinions on which parts to use.

Seeking: Longevity
Withstand high HP
Affordability
Power goal is ~1000 HP but I'm sure I'll want more shortly after I get to that point so trying to overbuild.


Clutches: Don octane, Dodson, or DEKA

Flywheel upgrade: Don Octane, Iroz or DEKA

Rods:
X-Beam Don Octane, FCP, HPerformance, or Bar-Tek I-Beam Don Octane, ZRP, Bar-Tek, IE, or Boostline H-Beam Carillo , Bar-Tek

There are 3 different styles wondering which one is best then from there I guess it comes down to quality and affordability.


Pistons: pretty set on JE, debating between regular and ultra series.

Hardware: pretty set on ARP 625 for everything.

Turbo: looking to piece together a turbo kit wondering which turbo people prefer over the other -Garrett, Precision or Xona

Any input/ discussions would be greatly appreciated.
Also has anyone had any experience with the Don Octane haldex controller ?

[mtwallace85]

Was wanting to throw a hybrid turbo on my RS3 but figured might as well go all out and do a full frame turbo in the near future.

Starting to collect parts for the build and was seeing if I could get some recommendations/opinions on which parts to use.

Seeking: Longevity
Withstand high HP
Affordability
Power goal is ~1000 HP but I'm sure I'll want more shortly after I get to that point so trying to overbuild.


Clutches: Don octane, Dodson, or DEKA

Flywheel upgrade: Don Octane, Iroz or DEKA

Rods:
X-Beam Don Octane, FCP, HPerformance, or Bar-Tek I-Beam Don Octane, ZRP, Bar-Tek, IE, or Boostline H-Beam Carillo , Bar-Tek

There are 3 different styles wondering which one is best then from there I guess it comes down to quality and affordability.


Pistons: pretty set on JE, debating between regular and ultra series.

Hardware: pretty set on ARP 625 for everything.

Turbo: looking to piece together a turbo kit wondering which turbo people prefer over the other -Garrett, Precision or Xona

Any input/ discussions would be greatly appreciated.
Also has anyone had any experience with the Don Octane haldex controller ?

Clutches: I was told to stay away from Dodson since they don’t use the billet case. I’m running a deka clutch/flywheel and it’s just like stock.

Rods: To be honest I don’t think you can go wrong with any of your choices, although, I’m not familiar with the Don Octane rods. I’m running the Carrillo H beam rods and I have no complaints.

Pistons: I picked up the JE pistons from St Charles Garage because I heard great things also and they haven’t disappointed. My motor is a little louder now but not bad.

Hardware: if you’re going over 1000hp I’d go with the 625+ studs, otherwise, stay with OEM. Make sure the builder is experienced with this platform because the stronger studs will warp the block.

Turbo: I don’t think you can go wrong with any of these, the only thing I will say is Garrett is a multi billion dollar company.

Best of luck with the build and let me know if you have questions.

[srosey]

Thank you for the info!
From what I've read and researched the I beam rods can withstand alot more abuse and boost pressure than H-beam but I'm no expert.
Maybe somebody else with more knowledge can chime in.

As far as turbo I know Garrett is like tried and true but alot of these DAZA guys are going with Xona from what I can see maybe only because of the fact that Iroz supplies them.

[Banny]

For your engine build speak to Eddie Woolsey of FFE Racing, he will get you setup with whatever power goal you're set on and is very reasonably priced.

Clutch and flywheel cant go wrong with either Don Octane or Dima

Turbo wise if you want outright power then Precision is king

[srosey]

Thanks for the contact.


I have seen there is a company that provides a kit with a Precision turbo - JDY : pretty sure its chinese made. Not too sure about that one. Has anyone had experience with this kit?

[Banny]

Thanks for the contact.


I have seen there is a company that provides a kit with a Precision turbo - JDY : pretty sure its chinese made. Not too sure about that one. Has anyone had experience with this kit?

Chinese company but Mingze Gao who owns it is good people. I have their oil pan and billet seal and the quality is second to none. Get on to Facebook and speak with Mingze directly, very nice guy

[Alex D]

Was wanting to throw a hybrid turbo on my RS3 but figured might as well go all out and do a full frame turbo in the near future.

Starting to collect parts for the build and was seeing if I could get some recommendations/opinions on which parts to use.

Seeking: Longevity
Withstand high HP
Affordability
Power goal is ~1000 HP but I'm sure I'll want more shortly after I get to that point so trying to overbuild.


Clutches: Don octane, Dodson, or DEKA

Flywheel upgrade: Don Octane, Iroz or DEKA

Rods:
X-Beam Don Octane, FCP, HPerformance, or Bar-Tek I-Beam Don Octane, ZRP, Bar-Tek, IE, or Boostline H-Beam Carillo , Bar-Tek

There are 3 different styles wondering which one is best then from there I guess it comes down to quality and affordability.


Pistons: pretty set on JE, debating between regular and ultra series.

Hardware: pretty set on ARP 625 for everything.

Turbo: looking to piece together a turbo kit wondering which turbo people prefer over the other -Garrett, Precision or Xona

Any input/ discussions would be greatly appreciated.
Also has anyone had any experience with the Don Octane haldex controller ?

Clutches/Flywheel: DEKA and Don Octane seem to be the most popular with great feedback on these two companies. I haven't seen any issues that were not addressed by either company. DEKA and Don Octane both offers a reinforced flywheel as well. One thing to note since DEKA is based out of Ukraine, expect some delays due to the on going conflict over there. Irox offers a reinforced flywheel as well as a few smaller companies such as TZ engineering.

Rods: For your needs of 1000hp, i think all of the ones mentioned will handle it no problem. I do prefer the +625 rod bolts or the Carr Rod bolts with the Carillos as its cheap insurance while you are already in there. I did see a missing popular brand from the list and that is Integrated Engineering. Not sure if anyone makes a 300m material connecting rod for this motor yet but that would be the ultimate strength.

Pistons: Mahle and JE seems to dominate this platform. A less popular option would be Diamond pistons which also makes a excellent piston.

Hardware: ARP +625 for head studs or New stock studs seem to work great. For the connecting rod bolts, +625 or Carr bolts are the best in the business.

Turbo: I've always been a Garrett fan but they don't always make the most power but seem to be the most durable. Precision has come a long ways and also makes a great performing turbo. Xona also seems to perform well but if you ever have a issue with it, many have reported less than satisfactory resolution in regards to warranty issues.

[srosey]

Thanks for the info

I didn't forget IE they are there in the I beam section. Does any body know the differences/ advantages/ disadvantages between the 3 different style rods ?
I beam -X beam- and H beam

[Alex D]

Thanks for the info

I didn't forget IE they are there in the I beam section. Does any body know the differences/ advantages/ disadvantages between the 3 different style rods ?
I beam -X beam- and H beam

Here is a great article that explains the differences between H-Beam and I-Beam. They each have their pros and cons.

https://www.dragzine.com/tech-storie...ods-explained/

[TwistRate]

I have heard many people report significant rattles coming from the aftermarket FW.

[srosey]

Pretty sure there is no full replacement for the Flywheel so I think it probably depends on who specifically drills out the original fasteners which I think are basically rivets and if I'm not mistaken you have to tap the holes that were drilled out so if somebody is tapping these holes with no fixture then the threads for the hole could possibly be slightly out of round which would cause some sort of misalignment.

Don't take my word for it because I've never performed this.

[srosey]

Anyways what constitutes a sleeved block ? is there a certain HP that would require a sleeved block or is it just a piece of mind?

[TwistRate]

North of 1000whp should be sleeved. Heavy duty hardware can sometimes cause things to go out of round. Sometimes the holes are out of round from the factory. Sometimes a damaged piston scratches up the walls and you cannot hone these blocks.

[8STTRS]

I'm sure I'm going to echo a lot of the sentiment here but, that's ok, right?

Clutches: Deka

Flywheel upgrade: Deka

Rods: I went with in-house rods from RSP. I'm not going to quote Miguel on his estimated power figures that they can withstand but, suffice to say, they are strong enough to withstand well beyond whatever power range I'm looking to go to. He will only provide said rods for builds he does.

Pistons: I went with JE 10.1 pistons. They're as quiet as stock and the same compression level, too.

Hardware: I went with stock studs but, 625's are good if you're sure that you're gonna push the car and especially, if you decide to spray at all. I would also speak to whomever is going to build your engine about their thoughts on sleeves. If you're going to spray or will for sure crack 1000whp, I'd sleeve it. I intend on staying below that threshold.

Turbo: I'm personally a fan of Precision turbos. Nortech has a Precision 7675 turbo kit for our cars that will hustle quite well and for a price that seems pretty damn reasonable compared to the Xona-based Iroz kits. I can't say I've heard the best things about many of the full frames out there as far as fitment and general usability but, if it wasn't Nortech, I'd consider Rada Race Labs and their Garrett-based systems. They're also putting out some serious heat and their prices also seem much more reasonable. Good thing is, they're also stateside so, there's that, too.

Also has anyone had any experience with the Don Octane haldex controller ?

I don't have experience with Haldex controllers but, I am opening up dialog with several other companies about what they offer as I am not thrilled with the Syvecs offering. But, I do wish that there were a reliable mechanical solution to Haldex, rather than just software tuning.

Last bits, considering your bearings and which ones you want to go with. I went with ACL. Also, consider your valve springs/guides and general usage. My car spins to 8k rpm regularly when I'm giving it the sauce so, I wanted to ensure my drivetrain up top could handle that just fine. Traction will absolutely be a problem and the more power you make, the more evident that FWD-based Haldex system starts to make itself. You'll soon be fighting a battle with that.

[srosey]

Thanks everyone for the info this helps out a lot.

I will compile a list of the turbo kits available for our cars because I didn't know of all of them.


Rada Race lab - G35-900 or G35-1050 : Garrett $$$$$$

Iroz - 8264S, 9569S, 10569S : Xona rotor $$$$$

Race3 - GTX30/35, G30-900 or G35-1050, G40/42-1200 : Garrrett will fit Precision as well. $$$$

Nortech - 7675 : Precision $$$

JDY Performance - 6870, 7270, 7275 : Precision $$$

RPC Motorsport - RPC650, 850, 1000 : Precision, Garrett, or Xona - $$

PagParts - I have heard of his kits but haven't really seen any advertising or website for them.

Does anybody have any real world experience with these kits that can chime in as far as fitment/ driveabilty or issues with them.

Thanks !

[8STTRS]

Thanks everyone for the info this helps out a lot.

I will compile a list of the turbo kits available for our cars because I didn't know of all of them.

Iroz - 8264S, 9569S, 10569S : Xona rotor $$$$$

Race3 - GTX30/35, GT30/35, GT40/42 : Garrrett will fit Precision as well. $$$$

Nortech - 7675 : Precision $$$

JDY Performance - 6870, 7270, 7275 : Precision $$$

PagParts - I have heard of his kits but haven't really seen any advertising or website for them.

Does anybody have any real world experience with these kits that can chime in as far as fitment/ driveabilty or issues with them.

Thanks !

Pag is Arnold Lee. He's the guy who made my fuel pumps for my wife and I. He will make you a custom full frame kit with basically whatever turbo you want. What you have to consider, however, is the fitment of the turbo kit. Not to say that he does shoddy work, because I wouldn't say that at all. But when you go custom, sometimes things just don't line up quite as well as you hope and it takes minor tweaks to get everything to bolt up. Now, if he were building it specifically on your car, you'd have no issues but, people run all kinds of downpipes, turbo inlets, etc., etc.

JDY: I have some apprehension about them but, some folks swear by their quality and quick responsiveness. Now, would I put their FF on my car? I'm not very confident that I would. But if other people purchased it and they had success with the kit, I'd be much more inclined. However, their oil pans, front seals, etc., all seem to have been well received by folks for their quality and fitment. So that's something to consider.

Sean McLaren just ran Nortech's kit on his TTRS and ran a 8.74@156, I believe. Based upon what I can see about the 7675 turbo, he's got a lot more headroom on that turbo. Also, 156 is moving so, I assume he's around 900whp. At the end of the day, it's a Precision turbo. Hard to be mad at that. Their FF kit looks to be very simple and not complicated at all. Sean reported no issues with installation and is quite happy with his kit.

There's also Rada Race Labs, by the way. You'll have to contact them about their kits but, they do a lot of Garrett turbos. I think I just saw them recently do a G42-1450; which is a 79mm turbo. Lol. That's a huge turbo for our engines but, it hauls ass (real peaky) on track. Rada will most likely take the car and custom fab the turbo kit onto the car itself. Thereby eliminating much of the worry about the kit fitting or not. Albeit, I do think they sell their kits for others to install, too.

[srosey]

I added Rada Race labs kit, they sent me some more info and pictures of their kit and it looks really nice compared to other kits, it is a on the high side of pricing.

These all look like very good options.

Thanks everybody for the info.

EDIT: Also added RPC Motorsport although not sure of the quality on their kit, it does seem to include everything needed along with intercooler, intake, and inlet.

Any more real world experience with these kits is greatly appreciated.

[srosey]

Bumping this thread back up, starting to look into fueling. From what I have researched it seems that all the LPFP upgrades that are out there on the market seem to be having starvation issues below 1/2 tank when going above 1000HP. The only way to remedy this situation is to install a surge tank ?

Has anyone tested A2B's full system? Seems that they have put together a full system that takes care of this issue.

Any input/ thoughts ?

[mtwallace85]

Bumping this thread back up, starting to look into fueling. From what I have researched it seems that all the LPFP upgrades that are out there on the market seem to be having starvation issues below 1/2 tank when going above 1000HP. The only way to remedy this situation is to install a surge tank ?

Has anyone tested A2B's full system? Seems that they have put together a full system that takes care of this issue.

Any input/ thoughts ?

I’ve seen a few solutions out there in addition to the A2B product. Iroz is supposed to be releasing a new setup in January that won’t need a surge tank. Pagparts also has a pump without the need for a surge tank. Finally, Protec Fuel Systems in the UK has a cool innovative new design they 3D print for a collector with their kit to avoid the need for a surge tank as well.

What I do like about the A2B kit is the fact that they include all the lines. Unfortunately, I cannot speak to the performance or quality of any of these kits since I don’t have personal experience with them. But I will say I’m most likely purchasing the Iroz kit in January when they release it.

[8STTRS]

I’ve seen a few solutions out there in addition to the A2B product. Iroz is supposed to be releasing a new setup in January that won’t need a surge tank. Pagparts also has a pump without the need for a surge tank. Finally, Protec Fuel Systems in the UK has a cool innovative new design they 3D print for a collector with their kit to avoid the need for a surge tank as well.

What I do like about the A2B kit is the fact that they include all the lines. Unfortunately, I cannot speak to the performance or quality of any of these kits since I don’t have personal experience with them. But I will say I’m most likely purchasing the Iroz kit in January when they release it.

I have the Pag dual pump and was warned repeatedly not to do a full send below half a tank due to fuel starvation. The rationale is that the pump will deplete the basket way too fast and the pumps may overheat from not being submerged in fuel but under such high demand.

[Mkai0]

Bumping this thread back up, starting to look into fueling. From what I have researched it seems that all the LPFP upgrades that are out there on the market seem to be having starvation issues below 1/2 tank when going above 1000HP. The only way to remedy this situation is to install a surge tank ?

Has anyone tested A2B's full system? Seems that they have put together a full system that takes care of this issue.

Any input/ thoughts ?

I'm running a custom-built full frame turbo kit from PAG Parts. He also built my engine. Give Arnold a call to see what options he can provide for you. Tell him Matt with the Nardo Grey RS3 referred you.

[mtwallace85]

I have the Pag dual pump and was warned repeatedly not to do a full send below half a tank due to fuel starvation. The rationale is that the pump will deplete the basket way too fast and the pumps may overheat from not being submerged in fuel but under such high demand.

Interesting. I haven’t chatted with them about it but the posts I’ve seen on IG concerning their LPFP are inferring you won’t need a surge tank so that’s good to know. I’m impatiently waiting the new Iroz LPFP to release hopefully in January.

[8STTRS]

Interesting. I haven’t chatted with them about it but the posts I’ve seen on IG concerning their LPFP are inferring you won’t need a surge tank so that’s good to know. I’m impatiently waiting the new Iroz LPFP to release hopefully in January.

Granted, this feedback isn't coming from Arnold himself but from my engine builder and tuner warning me not to go below half a tank. Now, that caveat is only for full E85. If I go with any of the flex blends below E70 or just straight up 93, then it's not that big of a deal. It's apparently something about the fuel supply demand for the full E85 emptying out the basket way too fast and causing fuel cuts.

[srosey]

This may be a silly question but hopefully somebody will answer it without judgement.
I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a A2B LPFP system and I already have a set of ID1300 cc injectors.

If I were to install both the pump and the injectors before upgrading the turbo and engine the car would operate normally with the current tune correct ?
The tune dictates how much fuel the engine sees through the injectors ?

Car is currently STG2E85 through Unitronic

[8STTRS]

Unitronic does not support a dual fuel pump (not too sure if A2B's fuel pump is a dual one or not), nor do they support 1300cc injectors. You would not be able to install those and run a Unitronic tune. You would have to switch to DS1 or Syvecs. If you tried to run a Unitronic tune with those components on the car, I don't think that would end well.

[mtwallace85]

This may be a silly question but hopefully somebody will answer it without judgement.
I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a A2B LPFP system and I already have a set of ID1300 cc injectors.

If I were to install both the pump and the injectors before upgrading the turbo and engine the car would operate normally with the current tune correct ?
The tune dictates how much fuel the engine sees through the injectors ?

Car is currently STG2E85 through Unitronic

Unitronic does not support a dual fuel pump (not too sure if A2B's fuel pump is a dual one or not), nor do they support 1300cc injectors. You would not be able to install those and run a Unitronic tune. You would have to switch to DS1 or Syvecs. If you tried to run a Unitronic tune with those components on the car, I don't think that would end well.

Additionally, you will need custom tuning for both of these options if that isn’t obvious. For OTS DS1 maps, they use 980cc injectors and they don’t have anything for an upgraded fuel pump.

[srosey]

Ok thanks for the responses wasn't quite sure what everybody does for tuning on a FF turbo, I had heard that Unitronic has a stage 3 tune wasn't sure what turbos and injectors they support.

I have heard a lot of people using DS1 with FF these must be custom tunes by well known tuners instead of their OTS tunes.
Looks like I will be switching to DS1 at some point.