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    Alternator output voltage question

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    I just noticed that my alternator is only outputting around 12.0V with the lights on during idle, is this what you guys are seeing? I had realized that these cars strategically engage the alternator (my guess is to save fuel) mostly during off throttles. During the daytime, the car would idle with ~12.8V. I'm also seeing ~12.8V when I'm on the throttle. Off throttle (cruising), the car will engage the alternator to charge the battery with ~14.4V. I've been seeing this behavior since new. However, recently, I just stuck on a cigarette lighter voltmeter and monitored it during a night drive for the first time and saw something really strange. At idle and on throttle, the voltage dips down to ~12.0V, which caught me by surprise. Off throttle during cruising, it went back to the normal ~14.4V. However, it drops back to ~12.0V when I come to a stop and idle. The car isn't giving me any charging warnings, so I assumed this is normal?
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    I had an issue with my 2015 Audi S3 alternator decoupler pulley.

    It was slipping when it should of not and caused the same issue as you describe.

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    Thanks for the link! So, how does your alternator output behaves now after you replaced your faulty decoupler pulley? Does it always output a constant voltage now with the engine running?
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    Yeah, that is normal believe it or not. They are a 'smart' alternator that charges on demand to save fuel.

    When you are coasting or decelerating (foot fully off the accelerator) the alternator will jump up to 14.7v or so. Sometimes it will run at 13.8v sometimes 12v, sometimes 14.4-14.8v. I had a pile of issues last year and did a whole pile of monitoring but could never predict exactly what voltage it would output except when decelerating with the foot off throttle where is was 14.7 V.

    If you have the VC go to the trip computer function and look at the fuel consumption screen. When you back off the throttle you will see the indicator drop back to the LHS to the battery icon and change to green. This is when the alternator is outputting max voltage.

    There are digital voltage displays that plug into the 12V socket (cig lighter) in the console that will show you what is happening.

    Are you having problems with the battery going flat?

    My neighbour disabled the smart charging using VCDS on his Toureg - it is something like 'energy recuperation' but I haven't had a change to get him to come and look and see what can be done on the S3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XMetal View Post
    Thanks for the link! So, how does your alternator output behaves now after you replaced your faulty decoupler pulley? Does it always output a constant voltage now with the engine running?
    I DIY replaced the entire alternator. It was quicker and less expensive to get the entire alternator vise a pulley and the special tool set required to R&R the pulley...

    On my 2015 its a constant voltage when the engine is running. I check with a volt-meter at the battery terminal connectors. Don't have a cig lighter volt meter.

    The alternator is producing voltage the entire time the engine is running...

    There's a black box under the dash which controls the cars electrical system and the alternators voltage regulator to vary the voltage based on demand.

    How old is the battery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glintoz View Post
    Yeah, that is normal believe it or not. They are a 'smart' alternator that charges on demand to save fuel.

    When you are coasting or decelerating (foot fully off the accelerator) the alternator will jump up to 14.7v or so. Sometimes it will run at 13.8v sometimes 12v, sometimes 14.4-14.8v. I had a pile of issues last year and did a whole pile of monitoring but could never predict exactly what voltage it would output except when decelerating with the foot off throttle where is was 14.7 V.

    If you have the VC go to the trip computer function and look at the fuel consumption screen. When you back off the throttle you will see the indicator drop back to the LHS to the battery icon and change to green. This is when the alternator is outputting max voltage.

    There are digital voltage displays that plug into the 12V socket (cig lighter) in the console that will show you what is happening.

    Are you having problems with the battery going flat?

    My neighbour disabled the smart charging using VCDS on his Toureg - it is something like 'energy recuperation' but I haven't had a change to get him to come and look and see what can be done on the S3.
    Thanks for your inputs and confirmation on how the charging system operates on your car. Seems like your experience exactly mirrors mine.

    The VC indicator does correlate with my voltmeter readings when the battery icon change to green, which is expected. What I found alarming was the "none charging" aspect of it. I certainly didn't expect it to drop all the way down to just 12.0V at idle and at load with the lights on. When this happens from past experience, it usually indicates the alternator is about to poop it's pants. Now that I think about it some more, if 12.0V can be maintained (and doesn't drop any further), it makes perfect sense that the alternator is outputting just enough "juice" as needed.

    I'm not having any issues with the battery or the electrical system. I was just super concerned when I saw this for the first time monitoring it at night when I saw the "low" 12.0V operating voltage with the headlights on. Other than this S3, I've never seen an alternator output that bounces all over the places during operation. I'm relieved to hear that you're seeing the same on your end and could just be the "Standard Operating Procedure" for this car. Again, very much appreciates your inputs.


    Quote Originally Posted by MikTip View Post
    I DIY replaced the entire alternator. It was quicker and less expensive to get the entire alternator vise a pulley and the special tool set required to R&R the pulley...

    On my 2015 its a constant voltage when the engine is running. I check with a volt-meter at the battery terminal connectors. Don't have a cig lighter volt meter.

    The alternator is producing voltage the entire time the engine is running...

    There's a black box under the dash which controls the cars electrical system and the alternators voltage regulator to vary the voltage based on demand.

    How old is the battery?
    Seeing that "glintoz" is observing similar behavior on his car, it does appears that Audi changed their charging algorithm for the FL since you're seeing a constant charging output when the engine is running on your Pre-FL.

    My battery just past it's 5th birthday, which did attributed to my initial panic. I usually replace the batteries on my cars every 5 years or so just as a precaution. I will be getting a new battery soon, regardless.

    Your lead have been very helpful and thank you for that! Thankfully, I don't believed that I need to chase this down any further...I think
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    I think the S3 models with the battery tender system have the advanced electrical control vise my 2015 which doesnt have the battery tender. Both my factory batteries lasted 3 year. Perhaps the FL system helps the battery last longer😁
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    I have start/stop disabled since day 1. I think that makes more of a difference in keeping a longer battery life
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    Quote Originally Posted by XMetal View Post
    I have start/stop disabled since day 1. I think that makes more of a difference in keeping a longer battery life
    My 2015 doesnt even have stop start.
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    I stand corrected. I guessed you might be onto something - S3 models with the battery tender system may indeed help the battery last longer
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