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    17z and 18z caliper figment, promise I searched!

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    Does anyone have measurements if a 18z caliper and rotor setup can possibly fit in a 17” wheel? I know the 17z will but can’t find anyone that sells a 2 piece floating rotor. Or any knowledge of 2 piece rotors for both 17 and 18z? I know of JHM 330/350mm and 034/GiroDisc 350mm floating. I currently have 345mm rotors and B6S4 calipers and it fits with my 17” wheels.

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    Does anyone have this bracket ??? I have the 18z rears
    And don’t want to spend 400 for a voshmods kit without an included willwood e brake

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    I'll be mounting 18z's with GLA45 AMG 350mm rotors behind 17x8 ET35 Oz Superleggeras. hoping for no spacers. Keep you posted.

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    Pretty sure 17 inch Oz superlegerras fit over 18z

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    Hmmm, looks like I’ll buy a 18z and test fit. Wish there were 2 piece rotor options for the 17z. (330mm rotors).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zipdoa View Post
    I'll be mounting 18z's with GLA45 AMG 350mm rotors behind 17x8 ET35 Oz Superleggeras. hoping for no spacers. Keep you posted.
    Please keep us posted. Are the GLA45 rotors 2 piece and a direct fit or do you have to machine the center bore? I have TR Motorsports 17x9. Will probably buy and test fit each caliper and see. I’d be fine with a 17z caliper if I could find a 2 piece floating rotor.

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    before going that direction, consider Q5 3.0 calipers and 345 mm S4 rotors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ss4 View Post
    Please keep us posted. Are the GLA45 rotors 2 piece and a direct fit or do you have to machine the center bore? I have TR Motorsports 17x9. Will probably buy and test fit each caliper and see. I’d be fine with a 17z caliper if I could find a 2 piece floating rotor.
    GLA45 AMG are one-piece Brembo rotors. I found a pair of them off eBay for $150, hard to justify spending $1000+ on floating rotors IMO - especially when nobody is making 350mm examples. If you're upgrading from HP2's, makes sense to get as much rotor inside a 17" wheel as possible. These brembos also have correct ventilation patterns that some other 17z/18z rotor options lack.

    Yes, you'll need to machine the center bore.





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    Data sheet says 12.2kg / rotor

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    Quote Originally Posted by V1nny View Post
    before going that direction, consider Q5 3.0 calipers and 345 mm S4 rotors.
    I’ve heard of this, any info or details to share other than what I’ve seen on ECS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zipdoa View Post
    GLA45 AMG are one-piece Brembo rotors. I found a pair of them off eBay for $150, hard to justify spending $1000+ on floating rotors IMO - especially when nobody is making 350mm examples. If you're upgrading from HP2's, makes sense to get as much rotor inside a 17" wheel as possible. These brembos also have correct ventilation patterns that some other 17z/18z rotor options lack.

    Yes, you'll need to machine the center bore.
    Agreed, and that is a great option for rotors. Any idea what those weigh? My all iron 345’s are almost 27lbs each. Do you have any measurements of your 18z calipers? Like distance from the center of mounting hole to the outmost part of the caliper? Trying to determine if a 18z will energy fit my application. Might be best to buy one of each caliper and test fit. Then find a suitable rotor.

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    “Even fit” Damn autocorrect

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    Added another pic to my post

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    Info on Q5 3.0T/Macan Brakes on B5 S4

    Quote Originally Posted by V1nny View Post
    before going that direction, consider Q5 3.0 calipers and 345 mm S4 rotors.
    I just went this route as I heard it may have a little more wheel clearance than typical 17z/18z Brembos. I printed both templates off from ECS and can attest this to be true. The B6/B7 calipers provide the most wheel clearance, even more than the stock B5 S4 HP2 calipers.

    The Porsche Macan/Audi Q5 3.0T 4 Piston Brembos (that I ended up going with) are roughly 2mm wider (toward the wheel spokes) than the stock HP2 calipers. So plan for that. These calipers can be ran with B6/B7 345mm rotors. The offset on those rotors is perfect for the B5 to run these calipers. Bolts right up. There may be 2 piece rotors out there for the B6/B7 S4 345 rotors, not positive though. I just went with Zimmermann blanks with z-coat.

    The Q5 3.0T/Macan Brembo calipers are lighter than the stock HP2 calipers. The 345mm rotors are heavier than the stock 321mm rotors. Weight wise, its basically the same as the stock setup but with a much larger rotor and better calipers. Which means much better braking over stock. IF there are 2 piece rotors out there, this setup will be lighter than stock while again providing superior braking.

    Another advantage of this setup is that you can run certain 17" wheels over it (depending on wheel spoke design), like 17z, while having a 15mm larger rotor (345mm), over the 330mm 17z setup.

    One thing to note - when sourcing the calipers, the Porsche Macan calipers were much cheaper than the Audi Q5 3.0T calipers for some reason. They're the EXACT same Brembo 4pot caliper. The Porsche ones come factory coated with a gunmetal coating and white Porsche lettering. The Q5 3.0T are bare metal and no lettering. I went with the Porsche one's as they were significantly cheaper (score!).

    I'll shutup after this I promise. This has to do with the REARS so If you don't care about the rears just stop reading now. I also upgraded the rear's on my car to B6/B7 S4 300mm rotors, running adapters that allow you to utilize the stock B5 caliper and pads to this larger B6/B7 rotor. 034 makes these adapters and have instructions on the process. Apikol also makes adapters. The company I used is out of the UK and they are a little cheaper for their adapters, exact same thing. You can also use B6/B7 S4 rear calipers with these adapters as well, but the caliper is so similar to the stock B5 one I personally didn't see the point. https://creationsmotorsport.com/audi...es-br0037.html

    I have an extra set of brand new Stop Tech stainless steel lines for this setup, front and rear, as I accidentally ordered two sets when I installed mine. If anyone goes this route and wants stainless lines, drop me a line. I may post them for sale in the classifieds soon.
    Front Brembos required Mk2 (maybe Mk3 can't remember right now, I'll look when I get home and edit thread) Jetta lines to properly fit the B5, as the Q5 lines are too long. Rear (stock B5) used B7 RS4 lines, works perfect with stock B5 calipers.

    Last edited by zatch_303; 10-09-2022 at 11:42 AM. Reason: Putin made me do it
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    // 2001.5 Pearl White B5 S4 Sedan 6MT

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    I did exactly same (just with slotted/drilled rotors) to my stage 3 01 allroad, including Macan calipers (no stickers, Porsche lettering does not bother me), after researching on 17z and 18z two years ago, and cannot be happier with the new brakes. There is currently NO better front brake upgrade for either C5 allroad or B5 S4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V1nny View Post
    I did exactly same (just with slotted/drilled rotors) to my stage 3 01 allroad, including Macan calipers (no stickers, Porsche lettering does not bother me), after researching on 17z and 18z two years ago, and cannot be happier with the new brakes. There is currently NO better front brake upgrade for either C5 allroad or B5 S4.
    Where did you source the Macan calipers?
    So on my car with a 17” wheel I currently have B6S4 rotors (343mm) and B6S4 calipers and it fits. An 18z caliper will not fit. A 17z will fit but would have to step “down” to a 330mm rotor (stock is 321). As mentioned above, the Q5/Macan with a 345 rotor should fit some 17” wheels. I appreciate all the comments/help.
    My old car had all Stasis/Alcon brake components but not looking to spend 4k on brakes this time… more like $1500haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zatch_303 View Post

    I appreciate all the information! I posted some findings as well but you basically already covered it. I played with the templates as well but wasn’t sure how accurate they are. Q5 looks like it will barely fit, 18z no way on my 17’s. I currently have 343mm rotors with B6S4 calipers but want better braking performance. IIRC, ECS sells a brake line kit for the Q5 caliper to B5 chassis.

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    Glad to help as it was kind of a hassle researching everything when I was doing this a couple months ago.

    I got my calipers from getporscheparts.com which is now getporschesilverspringparts.com

    Type macan calipers in search and it pulls up a bunch.

    FR caliper part number is 95B-615-124-F
    FL caliper part number is 95B-615-123-F

    $280 each brand new
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    Do you happen to remember if the SS lines were for the Mk2 or Mk3 Jetta? Looking into going this route. Thanks

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