Audi S4 B8.5 APR vs 034 Motorsports

[JJM08]

Hi guys I have a B8.5 S4 and I currently have a Stg 1 APR tune thinking of doing a dual pulley setup! But, i've been looking into the 034 tune and I really like how that one has the crackle tune, and I would essentially have to deflash the tune and then get the 034 tune for that. Are there any notable differences between the two besides the crackle tune? Also has anyone had any issues with the dual pulley setup for 034? I've heard that APR's setup is pretty good and that people have been running DP on their B8s or 60k miles and above without a problem.

Would it be worth it to change course and go for the 034? Or ditch the crackle tune idea and go with the DP with APR?

[wrxkyle]

swap to 034 they even have a discount for changing tuners. apr is a dead end for the platform. you don't have to de flash the tune, 034 can write over it.

[Ashtonts]

swap to 034 they even have a discount for changing tuners. apr is a dead end for the platform. you don't have to de flash the tune, 034 can write over it.

This.

Except while you don’t have to de-flash the tune yourself, 034’s flashloader does exactly that for you. Flashes you to a stock file then to their file.

[shreddykrueger]

Crackle is pretty novel. I had it on with my IE tune for a day then took it off (got annoying FAST).

If you're going dual pulley make sure you ditch the cats for test pipes otherwise you'll run into some issues (although running test pipes in Denver can be an issue if you're registered here)

[sepheroth86]

I recently purchased 034 files for ethanol support.

That being said switching from stage 1 to 2 with APR is $150. Their file covers both single and dual pulley.

[EvolutionArmory]

You already have a good tune. Switching over to have crackles is pretty juvenile. Don’t be that guy.

The only reason anyone should switch over from APR is if you want to run E40 or need to change fueling often for racing at the track. That’s literally the only thing other tuners do better.

People like to dog on APR but the results from actual owners are usually quite different than people think. APR has had a strong 93 tune for 7 years.

You’re in Colorado so you’re going to need all the help you can get to make power so E40 might not be a bad idea but don’t switch just for the crackle tune 🤣

[Nillious]

The only reason i would choose 034 is for the tcu ignition cut at wot shifts and adjustable launch control. If that does not interest you then no point

[dorothy_c7]

I like 034 also because of my fan control. If I’m sitting around or in slow traffic it help keep my engine coolant temp low. Heat really climbs in these cars with those factors. For example the constant is 86c and the worst it’ll get is 100c. But the fan can control cuts it back down to operating temp.

[Slvrbul8]

The only reason i would choose 034 is for the tcu ignition cut at wot shifts and adjustable launch control. If that does not interest you then no point

What do you mean by "tcu ignition cut at wot shifts"? Does that eliminate the dsg fart?

[04lss]

I really like my 034 tune. Its very linear on the throttle and the launch control features are great.

[RoofRails]

Hi guys I have a B8.5 S4 and I currently have a Stg 1 APR tune thinking of doing a dual pulley setup! But, i've been looking into the 034 tune and I really like how that one has the crackle tune, and I would essentially have to deflash the tune and then get the 034 tune for that. Are there any notable differences between the two besides the crackle tune? Also has anyone had any issues with the dual pulley setup for 034? I've heard that APR's setup is pretty good and that people have been running DP on their B8s or 60k miles and above without a problem.

Would it be worth it to change course and go for the 034? Or ditch the crackle tune idea and go with the DP with APR?

If you plan to set it and forget it APR will get the job done. 034 has more features like Advanced Launch control, true 0-100% gas pedal resolution , Fans/coolant pump on 100% when stopped (staging mode) , E40 , Multiple Throttle body files , WMI files, Test pipe files, Crackle files that you can control with the car mode and all of it can be flashed at home. Plus their flash loader doubles as one of the best data loggers in the business. So if features and options are something that you value then give 034 a look.

[EvolutionArmory]

Has anybody got faster times just mashing the pedal instead of using launch control? I think a lot of these features all the tuning companies say their launch control has might just be unnecessary.

Unless you’re at the track on a prepped surface, just mashing the gas might be faster. Anybody with experience with that?


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[sepheroth86]

Has anybody got faster times just mashing the pedal instead of using launch control? I think a lot of these features all the tuning companies say their launch control has might just be unnecessary.

Unless you’re at the track on a prepped surface, just mashing the gas might be faster. Anybody with experience with that?


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I believe that has been discussed here before. It is called the "upswing method" or something. I have not tried it.

[EvolutionArmory]

Upswing is when you use launch control but don’t hold the RPM at what its set at before you let off the brake. You let off the brake as the launch control RPM’s are climbing.

I’m just talking about mashing the gas without launch control giving faster times. Mash and go.


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[Slvrbul8]

Mash and go is slower than using launch control in my experience.

I tried both using the 0-60 feature on my P3 guage. Best time using launch was 3.6 and 4.0 using mash and go.

[Nillious]

The apr and stock software power through the shifts on launch control. No dsg fart. 034 has option to cut ignition on shifts after launch control. Therefore “farting” on launch control shifts and is more forgiving on clutches

[Slvrbul8]

The apr and stock software power through the shifts on launch control. No dsg fart. 034 has option to cut ignition on shifts after launch control. Therefore “farting” on launch control shifts and is more forgiving on clutches

Ahh thanks for the explanation. I just installed a Corsa exhaust system and its pretty mellow overall, but the dsg farts are sooo loud now and I didn't like them to begin with!

I have IE tune and would consider switching if any tuners eliminate the dsg fart.

[doughboy17]

The farts slow you down

[djn876]

Has anybody got faster times just mashing the pedal instead of using launch control? I think a lot of these features all the tuning companies say their launch control has might just be unnecessary.

Unless you’re at the track on a prepped surface, just mashing the gas might be faster. Anybody with experience with that?


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I have a ZF8 trans, but the difference between launching the car, vs mashing the gas is almost 0.5 seconds. It's a huge difference and the adjustable features are actually a really nice improvement from them. I don't have 034, but things like the cooling fan operation really make a big difference in temps in traffic or while staging.

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[EvolutionArmory]

I have a ZF8 trans, but the difference between launching the car, vs mashing the gas is almost 0.5 seconds. It's a huge difference and the adjustable features are actually a really nice improvement from them. I don't have 034, but things like the cooling fan operation really make a big difference in temps in traffic or while staging.

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So you have an A6? Only interested in DSG owners. Some pretty fast 60 foot times have been cut without launch control in the past.


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