Stock RS5 wheels??

[UTRS5guy]

Hey guys, just picked up my 2013 RS5 a couple weeks ago and am slowly getting to know it. Looking at these wheels, I don't think they are factory wheels are they? Anybody seen them come on an RS5? They are 20" wheels and the car does have the titanium package but from what I have seen on other cars these aren't from the factory right?
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[2by2handsofblue]

Might be. May not be the upgraded wheels possible. Try googling it.

we are the borg! resistance is futile.

[09S5]

Those wheels were standard OEM wheels on my 2015 Audi a8, v6



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[Lamayeee]

No, they never came stock on any RS5 ever. Those are stock wheels from like an A7 or A8.


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[hahnmgh63]

Those are Audi wheels but were never on the RS5. I believe they are a Forged wheel though, not the lightest Forged wheel but stronger and a little lighter than the Rotor wheel but they probably have spacers and longer wheel bolts as they have the wrong offset for the RS5.

[UTRS5guy]

Thanks all.

I thought they looked like the ones on some of the A7's I was looking at. I think I even saw some similar on an S7. Previous owner must have traded them with someone or something. I think I like the looks of the rotor wheels better though, especially the darker ones. I'll probably get these painted or something because the rest of the car is blacked out and these kinds stand out. Maybe a bronze or a anthracite would look better.

[Smac770]

Be easier to just look at the part number on the backside of one of the spokes and skip all the guessing.

[UTRS5guy]

Yeah I'll take a look in a couple days when I have it up on a lift servicing the rear diff. I'm pretty suture they are from an A7 though as others have stated. I just wanted to make sure they weren't ever stock on an RS5 and that has also been confirmed.

[hahnmgh63]

As I mentioned, those are a good wheel and they were a Forged wheel which is better than the Daytona but I'm pretty sure they were a 37mm offset wherea the RS5 wheels are a 26mm so you need a 12~10mm spacer and longer wheel bolts which is quite a bit and can be dangerous if you ever track the car.

[Neil F]

Thanks all.

I thought they looked like the ones on some of the A7's I was looking at. I think I even saw some similar on an S7. Previous owner must have traded them with someone or something. I think I like the looks of the rotor wheels better though, especially the darker ones. I'll probably get these painted or something because the rest of the car is blacked out and these kinds stand out. Maybe a bronze or a anthracite would look better.

Here is a set up for sale now at a very good price. I am surprised they have not sold yet. They usually go pretty fast. https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...m-Rotor-Wheels

[UTRS5guy]

Thanks guys,

I never plan to track the car so that won't be an issue. Now that you have brought the offset discrepancy to my attention I'll have to fix that. Not sure if I'll buy some 12mm spacers from ECS or just all new wheels. I saw some pretty nice ones at discount tire with a 20 offset. Any harm in running the current setup for now? I did just drive it over 1,500 miles to get it home.

[Neil F]

There is NO HARM as long as the wheels/tires clear the brakes and suspension. Stock RS5 wheels are ET 26. If yours are 37, they are tucked 11mm further in. Yes you can add spacers to push them farther out for aesthetics and a little better stability with a wider track. What size are your tires? Stock is 275/30/20.

Yes the ideal thing is to get wheels with the optimal offset but then you may be getting custom wheels (ok if you have the $$$$$). There is nothing wrong with spacers to adjust the offset.

As opposed to new wheels which will be expensive, I highly suggest the used classifieds. There are always a lot up for sale and will save a lot of money. Hit up the wheel gallery and suspension stickies for RS5 fitments.

If you really want new, contact Mops from Nemesis. The has set up a lot of people and his unadvertised prices on wheels will be the best.

[AsherAudi]

If you replace them, I'd def recommend aftermarket forged wheels vs the stock Rotor design as while they are great looking, they also are on of the heaviest wheels ever put on a late-model n/a sports car (32.5lbs each) and severely hamper overall performance versus a lightweight aftermarket option that can weigh 22-24lbs easily and drastically improve the feel and overall performance of the car. That said, it's hard to find an aftermarket wheel that looks as good as the stock 20" titanium Rotors!

[Neil F]

I do second (I wish I had forged wheels) Forged it also the strongest. I have dented and bent wheels. I had to have all of my stock 19" rotors straightened. Bad vibrations from being out of shape. "flow formed or flow forged" is a step above cast but not to be confused with a true forged wheel.

I think the 20" Hyper Silver Rotor are the sharpest, particularly if you have any other silver trim. then there are the matte black with the machined lip and triangles.....machined lip....and red lip.............

[Neil F]

I missed the pic in post #6 and those rims are VERY tucked. (sorry looks bad)

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...eels-20x9-et26

[UTRS5guy]

Yeah I know it looks bad, I'm currently looking at solutions. I didn't want to drop a lot more $ right after picking the vehicle up so I might have to hold off and either get some spacers for now or pick up some inexpensive wheels to get by.
The tires on the wheels/car now are 245/35/20. They don't look horrible, just very tucked in like you stated and spacers would fix it. The rear doesn't look near as bad as the front.
The car doesn't have any other silver on it as it has the titanium package that included the black optics package. I am thinking I'd go bronze to be honest. I like the looks of bronze on black. Something like these, they come in et20:

[AsherAudi]

Those look nice but I would first find out how much they weigh as losing unsprung weight has a multiplier effect on performance. It not only improved my braking and handling but I picked up 0.2-0.3 in the 1/4mi from going from 32.5lb to 24lb BC Forged wheels and could have gone 2lb lighter with a different style/fitment from them. It dramatically transformed the car's overall feel and performance as I was disappointed with the car's initial performance - went from feeling like it was anchored with lead clogs to a pair of light sandals. Perhaps wait and find a nice used set on this forum as deals pop up from time to time versus buying a brand new set of something that will only improve the looks and not performance.

[Neil F]

Wow a 245 is a pretty skinny tire for that car, plus the wheel ET. Wonder what WTF the original owner did.

[UTRS5guy]

A bunch of stupid stuff. Also gutted the rear speakers out of the car, but left the amplifier. Now I have to research and figure out if I can use that amp to power regular speakers or if the amp is worthless to me.

[UTRS5guy]

Those look nice but I would first find out how much they weigh as losing unsprung weight has a multiplier effect on performance. It not only improved my braking and handling but I picked up 0.2-0.3 in the 1/4mi from going from 32.5lb to 24lb BC Forged wheels and could have gone 2lb lighter with a different style/fitment from them. It dramatically transformed the car's overall feel and performance as I was disappointed with the car's initial performance - went from feeling like it was anchored with lead clogs to a pair of light sandals. Perhaps wait and find a nice used set on this forum as deals pop up from time to time versus buying a brand new set of something that will only improve the looks and not performance.

They are barely lighter at 33.99 lbs if what I read about the stock rotors 34.5 lbs. I won't ever track the car or anything. Just wanted a nice fast (most) daily driver to enjoy. I'll keep an eye on the classifieds for a little while. I should probably buy spacers ASAP as now it bothers me to look at the car. I'm mainly after the looks, but performance gains would be welcome.

[Neil F]

I assume you have seen these in the classifieds. HRE are high quality wheels . https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...ero-285-35R-20

I have two 25mm H&R DRA (bolt on) spacers I may not be using but they are heavy and shipping may be prohibitive

[UTRS5guy]

I assume you have seen these in the classifieds. HRE are high quality wheels . https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...ero-285-35R-20

I have two 25mm H&R DRA (bolt on) spacers I may not be using but they are heavy and shipping may be prohibitive

Yeah, I saw those and they look great, but if I'm spending that kind of $ I prefer not to run spacers. Plus add the shipping costs and cost of spacers and its double what the other wheels would cost and the spacers would add the weight back that I thought I would lose with the expensive wheels.
I am looking at some Vossen VFS-1 20x9.5 around 24 pound wheels here locally that I can pick up for $800. Seems like a great deal. They just have a little bit of paint chipping so I need to see what the cost would be to refinish them.

[Neil F]

Some of the wheel manufacturers sell touch up so contact Vossen and see. Refinishing is not bad. Google wheel refinishing in your area. There are usually a lot in major metropolitan areas. Some are mobile and do it in their truck at your place. I had some powder coated and it was far less that new wheels (I also have rattle canned a couple and they turned out well and have lasted)

Good luck

[Neil F]

A bunch of stupid stuff. Also gutted the rear speakers out of the car, but left the amplifier. Now I have to research and figure out if I can use that amp to power regular speakers or if the amp is worthless to me.

Geeeeze. Hopefully the purchase price reflected all of this.

There are a number of threads on stereo upgrades. (I know nothing on the stereo) There is a lot of info here https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...upgrade-thread

[Neil F]

Nevermind. I just saw your other thread where you discovered the speakers were missing. Was this a private sale, used vehicle lot or dealer? Any which way, I would contact the seller. Private, you probably are SOL. Used car dealer or dealer......maybe they may do something but likely was as is.

Hope nothing else was F'ed over. If you did not, I would REALLY get the car checked.

[UTRS5guy]

Nevermind. I just saw your other thread where you discovered the speakers were missing. Was this a private sale, used vehicle lot or dealer? Any which way, I would contact the seller. Private, you probably are SOL. Used car dealer or dealer......maybe they may do something but likely was as is.

Hope nothing else was F'ed over. If you did not, I would REALLY get the car checked.

It was a used car dealership in Michigan and I live in Utah. It was a really good deal. It was as is and I'm sure they won't do anything for me.
I did have it looked at by a local Euro shop. They did their pre-purchase inspection, only not was post purchase for me obviously. I tried to get complete pictures of everything and obviously I failed. Not sure I would have seen anything in the trunk though. Previous owner put K&N filters and an aftermarket exhaust so I thought they took decent care of it. Maybe the speakers were something aftermarket they bought and wanted to take with them? Who knows.

[fivefan]

The XO rim the O.P. posted about is 32 lb.

B8 RS5 5-arm rotors are ~14.1 kg, which is ~31 lb.

While I can appreciate concern over additional unsprung mass when one is performing at the 10/10ths -- and they're certainly not lightweight by today's standard -- they are arguably far from being "one of the heaviest wheels ever put on a late-model n/a sports car". Although this description also turns heavily (pun intended) on what one considers "late-model" and "sports car". ;)

High-quality (H&R, Eibach, etc.) hub-centric spacers, properly installed, are not a problem.

High-end Porsches track with them all day long. Porsche would not sell 5-30mm+ spacers for 911s on their own website if there was a problem.

Effects, if any, due to the additional mass of a high-quality spacer centered close to the axle are negligible.

[hahnmgh63]

The A7/A8 wheel listed in a OEM Forged wheel made by Fuchs, a very quality and famous German wheel maker. http://www.vaglinks.com/Docs/Catalog...ged_Wheels.pdf Due to them being made to OEM lifetime specs they aren't one of the lightest wheels 29.8lbs but still lighter than the Rotors which are a few pounds heavier and weaker being Cast wheels. With that said they have the wrong offset for the RS5 without using large spacers and long wheel bolts and the OEM tire size should be a 265 or 275 series, definitely not a 245 series tire.

[UTRS5guy]

Thanks for all the insights and information guys. I have bought some 275/30s from another forum member and am currently looking into different wheels that I will use for the summer. I will either sell or trade the current setup for something better suited for the car in winter months or pick up some spacers and just use them with the A7/A8 wheels and tires.

[fivefan]

Fuchs ... http://www.vaglinks.com/Docs/Catalog...ged_Wheels.pdf

Bookmarked. Super nice brochure, thanks.

I've looked into the RONAL manufacturing processes on their website(s), which is useful, but I'm more curious to know whether their cast wheels selected for the Audi "R" cars are, or were, any different (higher-quality) than their other cast wheels in terms of materials and manufacturing process. One would think so for such powerful and expensive cars.

[hahnmgh63]

Sometimes Auto manufacturers will purchase off the shelf or wheel manufacturer designs and stock but big companies, and especially ones that have lots of Engineers like the German companies Spec most if not all traits for their wheels. You can note that on the back of most VAG wheels they are stamped or Cast with the Alloy of Aluminum used as well as the spec'd maximum load (Kg's), obviously the wheel for an A8 has a higher load rating than one for an A4, and if both are cast the A8 wheel will most likely weight a couple of pounds more because of it (some of the A8 wheels over the years have been Forged). Most all aftermarket wheels have load ratings from their manufacturers too. So yes, many times their Cast wheels are of higher quality than others but a German company like Ronal probably uses the same casting processes and Alloys it uses on the wheels it sells to VAG and others.

[fivefan]

Great info, thanks.

Yeah, I probably should have typed something like: "...their cast wheels selected commissioned for the Audi "R" cars..."

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[hahnmgh63]

Somewhat strange occurance with the RS5 wheel selection. The 19" & 20" 10 spoke stock wheel is a Forged wheel but if you option for the 20" Daytona Rotor wheel you get a heavier Cast wheel. I really like the look of the Rotors but I replaced them with the 20" OEM Forged wheels an relegated the Rotors to my S5 until I can find a Forged set to replace them.

[UTRS5guy]

I have some Vossen VFS-1 wheels that I am going to pick up. They have a little bit of chipping around the lug nut holes but I will get them re-powder coated. From what I have read that is a very light wheel. I don't like it as much as some of the other designs for for $800 I can't complain.

[Neil F]

Yea 800 is a good deal for used. Good luck

[hahnmgh63]

Another great Audi wheel website. https://www.original-felgen.com/