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    Evan's Q7 Evo Build Thread

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    Greetings my fellow car enthusiasts.

    My name is Evan and I like cars. I am coming over from the dark-side as a serial BMW owner. For those interested in detailed build threads, here are some of my old and current projects:

    Imola Red E39 M5
    https://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/ca...ded-clean.html
    E39 540iT
    https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1245562
    535xi E61 Touring
    https://www.spoolstreet.com/posts/bm...project-wagon/
    "N54 Powered E61 M5 Wagon"
    https://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36899
    Diesel E70 X5
    https://www.xbimmers.com/forums/show....php?t=1605036


    We picked up this 4M Q7 for my wife as the replacement for her Gen II Prius, upgrade is an understatement. It was a trade in at a local Subaru dealership. "Love, it's what makes a Subaru a Subaru." "German cars, it's what makes Evan go to a Subaru dealership." lol Higher mileage at 82k but an extremely clean FL and CA 2-owner vehicle. This was cleaner than other <50k Q7s we were looking at. For me, as long as the interior and body are clean then I'm happy. Replacing worn engine/chassis components is easy, and the EA837 + 8HP combo has proven to be reliable and should be good for the long-haul, we will see how the timing chains hold up long term. The luxury package w/ Cedar Valcona leather was a big selling point for the wife.

    I'm a little gutted it doesn't have adaptive chassis since the air suspension is where it's at for ride quality, ride height, and adjustability. I will look into retrofitting the system a la carte but I have a feeling it may be highly integrated and a bit more work than it's worth but I am motivated to make it work. For those who are thinking, "why not just sell your Q7 and buy one with air suspension." Now is your chance to hit the back button, this is not the thread for you.

    The plans for this Q7 are fairly conservative as I promised my wife I wouldn't go nuts with the mods. I WILL be going nuts with preventative maintenance and getting this thing poised for long-term greatness (reliability) once maintenance is all up to snuff the mods I am eyeing up are the following:

    - OEM air suspension retrofit
    - OEM hitch retrofit
    - ECU tune
    - TCU tune
    - Radiator upgrade
    - Ceramic window tint
    - Color matched F reflectors
    - Tinted rear reflectors
    - Debadge
    - Wheel studs + spacers
    - Monoblock rear caliper upgrade + painted calipers (probably British Racing Green)
    - Interior Mods: SQ7/RSQ8 paddles + pedals, black seat backs
    - 22" Wheels. I am eyeing up BMW 755M or something forged to save weight
    - Upsize tire aspect ratio

    Here are pictures of "Day 0"













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    Beauty of a car man congrats!


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    Subscribed! Looking forward to seeing your progress on this, already off to a great start with the Leatherique treatment! :))




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    Quote Originally Posted by itsudhay View Post
    Beauty of a car man congrats!
    Thank you
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    Subscribed! Looking forward to seeing your progress on this, already off to a great start with the Leatherique treatment! :))
    Hey, how do you know that? lol

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    Week 1
    - PPI (POST Purchase Inspection)* lol
    - DIY color matched front reflectors
    - Motorsport Hardware studs/nuts
    - ECS 12.5mm F* Motorsport Hardware 20mm R spacers
    - Leatherique leather treatment*
    - Debage rear

    A few minutes after getting the Q7 home from the dealership


    I got VCDS up and running. No major codes but a few minor ones for seat adjustments and things like that.


    Silicone license plate frame


    I think we have an unaddressed coolant leak, what do you think?



    This silly oil fill extension was deleted. Seems like a solution that creates more problems than it solves. It looked like mine was leaking so it was wrapped with electrical tape.


    Threw that stupid thing in the trash.


    Air box had a nice collection of dirt and leaves


    Cleaned it up (new filter ordered). Interestingly it looks like the air box only lets air in on the passenger side and presumably the flapper on the driver side opens up at higher loads. Wonder what the benefit is of limiting air flow into the filter?



    Heavy but not the heaviest. My rough calculations show the OEM 21x9.5 wheels are ~39lbs.


    Doggos


    I removed about 2lbs worth of debris/rocks


    It would be pretty easy to fit larger Aux radiators, OEM ones are 12x7x1. You could fit a core that's 1.75-2" deep, 2" taller, and a little wider if needed. I am not sure how the system is plumbed and how the thermostat operates but if these could be upgraded with the rest of the system left as-is it could be a simple way to add cooling capacity for those tuned, towing, etc.




    DIY painted reflectors. The hardest part was getting the oem foam/adhesive off the bumper but a plastic razor blade did the trick.




    VCDS Nex-Net, studs and spacers.




    Very pleased with how the reflectors came out. Kill All Amber!


    Leatherique!


    BEFORE





    DURING






    AFTER






    With the wheels off I took the time to clean them and remove the foam/adhesive from previous wheel weight installs



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    Here are some "glamour" pics with the painted reflectors, spacers, and interior cleaned. So much better.









    Aimed the headlights. Being a headlight nerd I am very disappointed with these, most modern LEDs are rubbish but I had high(er) hopes for the Audi but they didn't deliver. Width is ok with the "bad weather fogs" or whatever they are called but intensity sucks and the high beam is aimed way too low. I will see what I can do via coding to optimize the output but if gains can't be made then I may consider "downgrading" to HID headlights so I can build them with quality components and get some proper light output.




    Debadge! Less is more.






    It was a good week for the Q7 but man, with the wheels sitting flush it just highlights how high the ride height is. Every time I see it I'm motivated to research retrofitting the air suspension....

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    I just went through your Wagon build and the X5 build and holy cow man you got some serious skills and dedication and free time.
    What kind of work do you do that you can spend so much time on your toys?

    Also the Audi 3.0T is amazing and you really should tune it, they jump to around 420-440hp with just a flash. I have a Q5 and a Q7, the Q5 has the 3.0T, the Q7 is a Diesel, a local tuner got mine tuned and its probably around 430hp and is stupidly fast... Going stage 2 I will not recommend since the downpipes tend to go and then you are blowing another 2000$ on downpipes and it just goes downhill from there. a 600$ tune is all these need.

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    I remember reading your E61 build on Bimmerfest back when I had my E60 530xi 6MT (a car I miss dearly) circa 2017/18. What an awesome build that was and glad to see it still lurking in the background of some of your pics

    As far as the Q7 goes, congrats! Great progress so far getting it to "Stage 0", can't wait to see where you take things from here! I remember how crazy the headlights on your E61 were, if you do something similar on the Q I might have to follow suit on my A4 haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by YotoWerks View Post
    I just went through your Wagon build and the X5 build and holy cow man you got some serious skills and dedication and free time.
    What kind of work do you do that you can spend so much time on your toys?

    Also the Audi 3.0T is amazing and you really should tune it, they jump to around 420-440hp with just a flash. I have a Q5 and a Q7, the Q5 has the 3.0T, the Q7 is a Diesel, a local tuner got mine tuned and its probably around 430hp and is stupidly fast... Going stage 2 I will not recommend since the downpipes tend to go and then you are blowing another 2000$ on downpipes and it just goes downhill from there. a 600$ tune is all these need.

    Subscribed to your build thread too!
    I used to be a professional athlete (volleyball) and now I am work from home which allows me to slip away and do some garage projects. Ah diesel, how I wish Audi didn't F-up with Dieselgate so that we would have gotten the TDI as an engine option in the Q7. It's a shame Americans are close minded and legislation is pushing diesels out prematurely. It's hard to beat the torque, reliability, economy, and range of a diesel. At least I have my X5 with the mighty M57 engine. I need to get the X5 back on the dyno post hybrid turbo install but it should be making ~450whp and 600-700wtq and gets 35mpg on the highway. Yummy

    For the Q7 Stg 1 seems like way to go for the optimal bang for your buck.
    Quote Originally Posted by 19birel View Post
    I remember reading your E61 build on Bimmerfest back when I had my E60 530xi 6MT (a car I miss dearly) circa 2017/18. What an awesome build that was and glad to see it still lurking in the background of some of your pics

    As far as the Q7 goes, congrats! Great progress so far getting it to "Stage 0", can't wait to see where you take things from here! I remember how crazy the headlights on your E61 were, if you do something similar on the Q I might have to follow suit on my A4 haha
    Thanks, the white wagon is alive and well. The body is showing some wear from all my use and adventures but hey, I use the heck out of it. Mechanically it's mint and arguably better than ever, it's been pushing a reliable 500-550whp for over 5 years now.

    My plan of attack for the headlights is to see if I can boost intensity vie coding as the lack of output is my main concern. Next would be to explore a EU Matric LED headlight retrofit (assuming that offers some better intensity in addition to the clever matric/adaptive system. The fail safe would be to "downgrade" to the xenon headlights so I could do a proper HID retrofit. I would like to optimize the LED headlights if I can but if they are not satisfactory then it's time to bring back ol faithful HID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucsbwsr View Post

    Thanks, the white wagon is alive and well. The body is showing some wear from all my use and adventures but hey, I use the heck out of it. Mechanically it's mint and arguably better than ever, it's been pushing a reliable 500-550whp for over 5 years now.

    My plan of attack for the headlights is to see if I can boost intensity vie coding as the lack of output is my main concern. Next would be to explore a EU Matric LED headlight retrofit (assuming that offers some better intensity in addition to the clever matric/adaptive system. The fail safe would be to "downgrade" to the xenon headlights so I could do a proper HID retrofit. I would like to optimize the LED headlights if I can but if they are not satisfactory then it's time to bring back ol faithful HID.
    Glad to hear the E61 isn't a garage queen a little wear and tear on a car adds character to a car anyways haha

    I'm pretty sure the E-code Matrix lights have better intensity than the USDM stuff, our regulations for lighting require them to neuter our offering here for whatever reason. I'm sure there is some coding that would benefit output, whether or not they will match or beat what you can achieve with a custom xenon setup I'm not sure of though. I'll be interesting to see how things end up as I'm sure you'll investigate this with more detail than most.
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    Evan, hey bro, outstanding job, motivator! Thanks for the meticulous writeups, will digest slowly.

    Treat her nice with Liqui Moly! Also snap in the new APR ignition coils(after tune).

    I was pondering about extra cooling, since I'm tuned and mostly warm in NorCali.

    Also, there's no TCU tune yet. No performance airbox either.

    Picked up some custom caliper covers for the other rig, they look nice, will get some for the Q7 also. Custom made for some$240. Hope to get less brake dust.

    Keep up the good work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SQ57 View Post
    Evan, hey bro, outstanding job, motivator! Thanks for the meticulous writeups, will digest slowly.
    Treat her nice with Liqui Moly! Also snap in the new APR ignition coils(after tune).
    I was pondering about extra cooling, since I'm tuned and mostly warm in NorCali.
    Also, there's no TCU tune yet. No performance airbox either.
    Picked up some custom caliper covers for the other rig, they look nice, will get some for the Q7 also. Custom made for some$240. Hope to get less brake dust.
    Keep up the good work!
    Thanks for the kind words. I saw the APR coils but I don't see the value in the price increase for only 10% bump in coil output since I only plan on running a Stg1 tune and those coils are sold via APR and not FCP Euro. I ordered a set of OEM Bremi coils from FCP and will make sure that they are always fresh, forever, for free. :)
    I am going to pretend I didn't read read "caliper covers." lol

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    A few additional small mods inside and out.

    OEM gloss black Audi rings F/R
    OEM aluminum pedals
    OEM RS paddles
    Plasti-Dipped the "Quattro" in the front grill

    The rear reflectors were tinted but the vinyl was much darker than expected and it didn't last 24 hours before being removed. I may try again with a lighter tint but for the time being it will stay stock.

    Hmmmmmmmm


    Marking ring position


    Frickin Lazer beams!!!


    Dirty


    Not as dirty


    New rings looking good, dark vinyl looking suspect....


    The vinyl kinda fit in with the other gloss black trim buuuuuut not really and was removed.


    Onto the front grill. Pop out, clean, and snap in. Easy peasy.


    Very happy with the result


    Onto pedals. Before


    Learn something new every day! Glad I discovered this now.


    Much better


    Yoink!



    Stock Q7 vs RS paddles


    The aluminum/silver of the paddles and pedals ties into the interior well. Sporty but still classy. Gotta love some subtle OEM+ upgrades!
    [IMG]Gotta love some subtle OEM+ upgrades. [/IMG]

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucsbwsr View Post
    Thanks for the kind words. I saw the APR coils but I don't see the value in the price increase for only 10% bump in coil output since I only plan on running a Stg1 tune and those coils are sold via APR and not FCP Euro. I ordered a set of OEM Bremi coils from FCP and will make sure that they are always fresh, forever, for free. :)
    I am going to pretend I didn't read read "caliper covers." lol
    Ignition coils are they're pretty awesome, sensible difference, but why stop only at stage 1 when you're already a wild one, brah??? I'm a laid back ol'dude and ST2SP did wake me up(no past tense here). Throw some LM in, (Ceratec,Mo2S..) and rig becomes magical!

    Calipercovers.com for that.
    Want to see how they hold dust on Merc(but already made my mind , red w/ logo).

    Chirboiz,
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    Quote Originally Posted by SQ57 View Post
    Ignition coils are they're pretty awesome, sensible difference, but why stop only at stage 1 when you're already a wild one, brah??? I'm a laid back ol'dude and ST2SP did wake me up(no past tense here). Throw some LM in, (Ceratec,Mo2S..) and rig becomes magical!
    I always end up doing more than I originally plan with vehicles but given the intended use of this vehicle as my wife's DD, I am not motivated to push the engine performance. Unlocking some engine potential with a Stg 1 tune makes sense but paying additional money for incremental power gains at the expense of increasing heat and stress to the components while decreasing reliability doesn't sound appealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKNESS65 View Post
    Any updates Op with this ?
    Incoming...

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    ^^^. Thank you kindly lol as I’m chomping at the bit. Looking for a toy for the misses and this checks all the boxes.
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    Maintenance time!

    As I am becoming familiar with the Q7 community I notice it is more challenging to find technical information, DIY threads, and people getting their hands dirty. Especially in regards to the 4M chassis and EA837 Evo engine since it's such a small part of the market. I assume less people are wrenching [on their Q7s since they are either in warranty or once out of (Audi's very short 50k) warranty people trade them in. At any rate, Q7 4M and EA837 Evo information is sparse so I hope my thread can be a useful reference for those who are looking for information and pics as they look to tackle some projects themselves.



    After having more time behind the wheel of the Q7 and getting it up in the air for inspection I was able to construct my maintenance plan. This vehicle was "dealer maintained" which leaves a lot to be desired and with the higher mileage of our Q7 there are some additional items I want to address. I categorize maintenance into a few categories.
    1. Items that can have a critical failure and leave you stranded (ex. H20 pump imploding, belt shredding)
    2. Items where performance degrades over time (bushings, struts, clutches)
    3. Unknowns (often fluids when you aren't sure of the maintenance history)

    Going back to lack of EA837 Evo information, most of the EA837 issues I read about are based on the 2012-2015 engines and many of these items were addressed with the Evo update or there were supersessions with improved parts. Since the Evo engine and is only 3 years old there isn't much long term reliability info out there since the engines aren't that old. For some of the problematic EA837 items like thermostat, water pump, CCV, harmonic balancer, ignition system; I added all these to the To Do list. When in doubt, replace. This was then same mentality for the fluids, even if they were recently flushed (unknown to me) and the fluid was clean, now after I flush the fluid it will be REALLY clean and I will know with certainty when it was done and the condition of the fluid.

    Yes..... get on with it! *Monty Python voice*

    Here is the list of initial maintenance parts, not all parts are pictured below as some are still in transit. Also, most items were bought through FCP so this will be the one and only time I need to buy them moving forward.

    Oil Flush + Filter
    Transmission Flush + Filter
    Front & Rear Diff Flush
    Transfer Case Flush
    Supercharger Oil Flush
    Air Filter
    Supercharger Clutch
    Crank Pulley, Tensioners, Pulleys, and Belts
    Ignition Coils & Spark Plugs
    CCV
    Water Pump
    Thermostat
    Oil Pressure Switches x2
    Engine Mounts
    Many o rings, gaskets, and bolts
    Struts w/Bump Stops Front & Rear
    All new control arm bushings for front suspension
    End Links
    Transmission and Rear Differential mount inserts




    Air filter


    Supercharger Belt has seen better days


    Before diving in



    Here is a picture of how to mount the Harbor Freight engine support, I could see some people struggling with this so I wanted to share what worked for me. Put the foot on the driver side as wide as it will go in the support bar and then position the rubber foot as far back towards the firewall as it will go. Position the passenger side foot behind the headlight and slide it as far toward the engine as it will go so it's less likely to fall into the crevice between the headlight and unibody.


    I didn't really notice any NVH or clunking from the engine mounts but they were clearly compromised and leaking hydraulic fluid. These electro-hydraulic mounts run about $350/ea new. Ouch. I was able to find a friendly chap in Germany parting out an A7 and I was able to score a pair of mounts with 10 kilometers on them for $230 shipped from Germany. Less Ouch. Replacement of these was pretty smooth but you do have to drop the subframe.




    I thought we had a ZF 8HP55a but it turns out we have the 8HP65A.


    All pulleys and tensioners removed (sans blower).


    Crank hub seal looking a little old but not leaking, you can see this engine was pissing coolant from the valley, likely from the thermostat.


    Engine Oil + Filter


    Rear Diff (new fluid clear)


    Front Diff (new fluid clear)


    Transfer Case (new fluid gold)


    Always clean as you go! Not only is wrenching on a clean vehicle 10x more enjoyable, having a clean engine and undercarriage helps you diagnose leaks and issues.



    Transmission Flush


    Transmission pan old vs new





    Transmission Fluid @ ~90k.



    Using VCDS to observe ATF temp while filling.


    Supercharger oil change



    If you want a bad ass set of expanding pliers go to ExpandingpPliers.com they are amazing for many things but especially for electrical connectors, coolant hoses, etc.


    Fuel lines were steppin' so they got capped. lol


    Air guides for the intake valves were a little dirty so they got a soak in the Super Clean




    I was happy to see the port injection was making carbon build up a thing of the past. As someone who has walnut blasted multiple BMW N54 engines carbon cleaning isn't an enjoyable activity. Nice job Audi.


    Fun, I am having fun? This is fun?
    I forgot to drain the radiator (doh) so the CCV went for a swim when I removed the upper coolant pipe.



    All cleaned up. Lower intake manifolds, MPI fuel rail, FSI fuel lines, fuel pressure sensor all had to be removed to get the CCV out. It's a bit of a challenge getting it past the FSI fuel rails but it's possible. I just fumbled with it for 5-10 minutes like a monkey playing with a square peg and a round hole, then all of a sudden I black out and the CCV slips past. I don't remember how I did it, just know it's possible. lol




    Good time to swap oil pressure switches. Again, not sure if these are still an issue on the updated Evo engine but they are cheap and an easy "while you're in there" item.


    Assembly


    Up next was supercharger clutch. Symptoms were poor throttle response, a delayed surge of power form the blower where it was late to the party after you pressed the throttle and the engine was already responding (much like drivetrain slop or a loose torque converter. There was also a small amount of mechanical screeching, and also a mechanical *tink* of the clutch disengaging when coming off power. Essentially blower response was extremely poor.





    Monkey see monkey do. Checking the tolerances of the new clutch.


    The clutch has to be energized during the install/mating process. Non problem when you spend $100+ on a tool you will likely only use once. lol


    Up next is ignition system. Easy enough. Cylinder 1 & 3 showed some oil contamination, valve cover gaskets will be added to the To Do list.

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    I was showing my wife your posting and she wanted an 2018 also, I explained to her in what world did she possibly think I could replicate any of this ha ha ha.
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    Loving all the maintenance, the Q is gonna feel factory fresh! I thought I was do well with my "100k preventative maintenance" but it looks like I have some catch up work haha

    With regards to the control arm bushings, why not just replace the whole control arm so you get to replace the ball joints too? Do you think that's overkill if the boots aren't ripped?

    Also, what's your typical interval for replacing coilpacks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKNESS65 View Post
    I was showing my wife your posting and she wanted an 2018 also, I explained to her in what world did she possibly think I could replicate any of this ha ha ha.
    I find the Q7 pretty easy to work on relative to my BMWs, things seem a bit more intuitive, come apart, and come back together as expected. Most important IMO is understanding the process of the repair you are tackling which means having a copy of the service manual. This takes all of the uncertainty out of the situation, it will tell you what tools you need, what to look out for and walk you through the process step by step. Once you have the service manual, you can understand the steps needed, make sure you have all the necessary tools, and you are set up for success.
    Quote Originally Posted by 19birel View Post
    Loving all the maintenance, the Q is gonna feel factory fresh! I thought I was do well with my "100k preventative maintenance" but it looks like I have some catch up work haha

    With regards to the control arm bushings, why not just replace the whole control arm so you get to replace the ball joints too? Do you think that's overkill if the boots aren't ripped?

    Also, what's your typical interval for replacing coilpacks?
    It looks like the Audi ignition coils usually last 30k-60k, I am not sure how old mine where but I certainly know how old they are now! lol I will probably refresh them 20k-30k just to make sure they are tip-top. As for the control arms, in my experience ball joints last much longer since they are metal on metal and sealed, most bushings are rubber and exposed to the elements so they degrade earlier.

    Price is the other big variable, for example I bought a pair of the hydro bushings for the front lower control arms for $35/ea Replacing the complete control arms would run $535/ea.
    I paid ~$350 to replace every single rubber bushing in the front suspension and if I was replacing control arms that price would $3,100

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucsbwsr View Post
    It looks like the Audi ignition coils usually last 30k-60k, I am not sure how old mine where but I certainly know how old they are now! lol I will probably refresh them 20k-30k just to make sure they are tip-top. As for the control arms, in my experience ball joints last much longer since they are metal on metal and sealed, most bushings are rubber and exposed to the elements so they degrade earlier.

    Price is the other big variable, for example I bought a pair of the hydro bushings for the front lower control arms for $35/ea Replacing the complete control arms would run $535/ea.
    I paid ~$350 to replace every single rubber bushing in the front suspension and if I was replacing control arms that price would $3,100
    The cost variable is what had me especially curious about the control arms. I had just kinda assumed that the ball joints and bushings had a similar life span, but if they tend to last much longer then I can see it being worth saving the money. Especially at those prices! I've been putting off my suspension refresh because after I add new springs and dampers into the mix the cost gets a little eye watering but I'll have to reprice it with a bushing replacement instead of the arms and see how it looks!

    30-60k is what I've heard too, I'm at 30k on mine and figured I'd ride them out to ~45k or so since my originals seemed fine ~70k when I swapped them. I don't think I got mine from FCP or I'd just do them earlier haha
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    In typical fashion I had some a couple bone-head mistakes that I paid for later with this engine overhaul. One being snapping a tab off the coolant pipe that resides under the blower, this made the o-ring seal fail and when filling to coolant just prior to giving the Q7 the first cranks after all the work and coolant started pissing from the valley. Better now I suppose than having a coolant failure on the road. In retrospect it was a terrible idea to try and install the pipe with a broken mounting tab, did I mention bone-head? But hey, I learn best from my mistakes so this is all "experience."

    My other issue was installing the lower intake manifolds incorrectly where the vacuum operated flaps that open under engine load, were stick closed do to improper installation. I read that they needed to be installed a certain way in the service manual but my short term memory let me down again. On a test drive I noticed lower power and a CEL. Time to drain the coolant and remove the blower AGAIN!. lol

    Minor setbacks conquered the Q7 is in a great place. Engine is running smooth and the loose/delayed/floppy power delivery is gone with the new supercharger clutch. There aren't many other tangible improvements to notice from the other maintenance performed but it's nice to know everything is fresh and will be good for the time being.

    Here is the coolant pipe with broken tab and failed o-ring (top) vs new pipe.


    Properly installing the lower manifolds


    This is incorrect installation with flaps sitting on top of the lower air guides so they can't open downwards


    Correct installation


    This is what the flaps look like when activated


    Killing 2 birds with 1 stone. Running engine at 2,000rpm to warm engine and open thermostat for coolant and also warming transmission ATF so I can top it off with fluid. Technical literature said the 8HP65 should have <5L of ATF but mine ended up taking ~5.6L so I had to buy a single bottle of fluid and top it off.


    New cabin air filter, swapping this takes all of 90 seconds


    Taking some measurements of the intake muffler, I will look into building my own muffler delete pipe in case my wife wants more blower whine!


    034 Motorsport bleeder screws for the blower. 034 left stock right


    This thing has a lot of suspension travel!


    For those of you suffering from squealing brakes, from what I understand is this 2nd pad retainer clip is one of the possible solutions. You can clearly see my lower slip was added at a later date.

    With all the weather stripping around the doors I was noticing some squeaking when opening/closing doors and also some noises when the windows are being lowered from their fully closed position. This stuff is pretty amazing at quieting down rubber related noises. It's priced like gold but it doesn't take much to work and what's unique about this product is it doesn't attract dirt and grime like other lubricants.


    I have a transmission support insert on the way and I also purchased rear differential inserts from ECS. This kit is for B9 S4/S5s and the front (red) insert won't fit our Q7 but the rears inserts do!




    I have a Diode Dynamics SS6 light bar in the mail which will be mounted by the rear differential and serve as my real reverse light but I replaced the factory bulbs with some CANBUS LEDs for color match but also to lighten the current draw on the reverse light circuit as I will likely be directly wiring the light bar into the OEM wiring.



    Wheels!!

    The OEM 22x10 SQ7 wheels were fitted with TPMS sensors and 285/40/22 Hankook DynaPro HP2 Plus. These are "AO" tires which are OEM on Q8s. The 285/40 sizing is also one aspect ratio larger (taller) than the 285/35 that comes on a Q7 with 22" wheels. The larger aspect ratio adds 1" to the overall diameter, helps visually fill the wheel wells, and also adds more cushion. Ride quality is essentially the same as the 21" wheels.


    +4 lbs per corner is a reasonable weight penalty when you consider the wheel size is jumping from 21x9.5 to 22x10 and the tires +6lbs heavier by themselves.




    As someone who cares about fitment the ride height is still painfully too high but I am going to try and resist the urge to lower it (I have H&R springs in a box). I don't know why Audi didn't put rear load leveling in the Q7, having a vehicle which can tow 7,700lbs and only rear springs to support it is dumb, especially in a vehicle of this class, especially with all the other "truth in engineering" Audi sprinkles everywhere. Nothing classy or safe about dragging that ass of your fancy SUV when loaded up with cargo or towing. This is what I get for not buying a Q7 with adaptive chassis I suppose. The good thing is when road tripping and loaded up with mountain bikes, dogs, and gear the ride height should be money! lol I also have our diesel X5 which is the tow pig if needed.






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    Loving the new wheels, easily one of my favorites on the Q7. A little less wheel gap would be perfect as you said, I'd just be concerned about bounciness on lowering springs and high mileage factory dampers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 19birel View Post
    Loving the new wheels, easily one of my favorites on the Q7. A little less wheel gap would be perfect as you said, I'd just be concerned about bounciness on lowering springs and high mileage factory dampers.
    I have a set of new Bilstein B4 front dampers and bump stops in the garage and I thought I had a set of rear struts on the way but apparently they are backordered and everyone selling them lists them as "in-stock" so I have been refunded multiple times from incompetent sellers. H&Rs would be paired with new struts but still not ideal since B4s are intended for stock height. I also feel H&R drops the front end too much. Preserving the ride quality we have is important and I don't want to get into a situation where we are rubbing on road trips when loaded up just so the Q7 looks sick unloaded. Wish we had air suspension! Unless a more convincing lowering spring/strut combo comes along I will likely keep the ride height *sigh* stock.

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    BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!

    The mods and maintenance continue as we pass 1 month of ownership.

    With the important engine maintenance out of the way the Q7 is rewarded with a tune. Options are more limited for the Evo/CREC engine and even more limited when it's the Q7 platform. APR seemed like the best bet so I went down to Pure Motorsport for a Stage 1 flash. The difference is noticeable but not as impressive as the claimed APR numbers suggest. Throttle response is improved as is power throughout the rev-range, that is what I was after so I am happy even though there seems to be a discrepancy between claims and actual results. You get spoiled having 600+wtq available from 2,000rpm with BMWs M57 diesel engine.


    EuroCode transmission bushing insert



    Stock plate in place


    Stock plate removed, notice the black on the aluminum. This isn't leaking fluid rather it looks like dust from the rubber which means there was a bit of movement. Now let's remember my engine mounts were leaking hydro fluid. If the trans mount was in fact moving this much to rub the rubber off then that would mean a lot of stress on the engine mounts. My thought process is the differential inserts and the transmission insert will help keep the driveline stable and therefore reduce stress on engine mounts and extend their service life.


    $45 well spent IMO


    I ride mountain bikes and we have 2 Australian Shepherds so a hitch is essential for carrying bikes as that frees up the roof for a cargo box. I wasn't convinced with the OEM hitch. I found it to be too expensive and require too much work so I went with a Stealth hitch. I have never owned one before but hear good things.


    Installing the hitch itself was straight forward but the wiring for the harness was more involved. I didn't test any of my electrical work so we will see how it goes once I connect a trailer! :/



    At the same time as the hitch install I received my Diode Dynamics SS6 (fog/wide) LED light bar which I will use as a reverse light. The OEM back up lights suck and the output after upgrading the bulbs still sucks. I run this light bar on my other 2 vehicles and it's amazing, it's like having a rear-facing headlight when reversing. The DD SS6 in the fog optic has a very flat and wide beam pattern, perfect for reversing. The way I have it set up the light illuminates everything from the waist down. No need to illuminate the tree tops or blast people's faces with light when reversing.

    The rear chassis braces was the obvious location to mount the bar and there were multiple grommets in the unibody for the air compressor, rear wheel steer, and other optional equipment.



    I originally mounted the bar on this bolt with a couple washers, it fit PERFECTLY.



    ....then I realized I just occupied my rear jacking point *doh* Consequently I slid it forward and attached with some zip ties. The chassis braces are stacked and aren't level so I used some rubber washers to level the light. Some people may scoff at zip ties but I am not above them, I am actually a huge fan of them. The front mount air-air 50lb intercooler on my wagon is mounted with 2 large zip ties, I considered swapping the zip ties for hardware but after removing and installing it multiple times I kept the zip ties since A) they work and B) install/removal is easier with the zip ties. I will likely replace the current zip ties with some beefier ones but essentially this is how it will be mounted moving forward.


    If you are mindful about where you mount the light bar is can be really stealthy, I like to mount mine forward by the rear differential if possible so you only see it if you are far behind the vehicle or bending over, with the light bar mounted forward it also acts as a shield to block light from shining upwards. I also try to tuck it up as high as possible to optimize clearance and minimize drag. As you can see it's pretty tidy and sits just about as low as the exhaust. Also, notice the Stealth Hitch, not much to see with no receiver installed but that's the point.


    Output pics





    Thule base bars installed. It guts me there isn't a sleeker base bar solution. I am used to raised roof rails which allow for flush base bars, I run Yakima Aeroblades and they are awesome! People thing flush roof rails are the jam but no, they aren't if you actually use them. The flush bars force you to run these monstrosities of base bars which are super tall and bulky.
    Look how tidy the raised rails are with flush bars on the X5.


    Now Audi flush rails with Thule bars, they sit about x2 as high. OEM Audi bars are even worse.


    Cargo, 3rd, and 2nd row got a good cleaning and I was able to find some hair clips and toys donated by the previous owner. 2nd row leather got a Leatherique treatment.
    Before w/ rejuvenator applied



    Before/After


    Water before (top left) and going clockwise; right rear seat, left rear seat, and middle seat water after cleaning.


    After


    Nice


    Niiiiiice


    Another after shot with better lighting


    Window weather stripping was dirty so the windows would stick sometimes when lowering from the fully closed position. Not a big deal to some but this just like the rubber squeaking when the door was opened/closed is annoying and takes away from the otherwise solid feeling build quality of the Audi. Window and door stripping was cleaned and then I applied some of the Krytox to the window stripping to lubricate.



    Clean leather is cool but blower whine is cooler. The Roc-Euro intake is a fair? value but I decided to take a DIY approach. I have built custom intakes for all my vehicles and really enjoy the process, this Q7 intake was cake since it's not really an intake just a small pipe with a vacuum fitting. This cost me ~$50 in parts and 1 hour of time. First item of business was cutting the velocity stack. I had mixed feeling about this since velocity stacks are awesome and in this scenario I might be sacrificing some speed and cleanliness of airflow but you gain less restriction and more noise which is what I am after.



    Perfect match!


    3" 22 degree pipe, 3" straight coupler, a Vibrant 2895, and some HPS clamps I had laying around. Stock intake muffler is 10degree bend so this pipe isn't ideal but it works. An alternative solution is to get a 3" 22 degree silicone elbow with a small 3" straight aluminum pipe. The longer length of silicone would be more flexible and I doubt it would collapse under vacuum. Regardless I went with aluminum just since I prefer it.


    Vacuum bung installed




    I added some Mastic tape to the other end to help seal the connection with the OEM pipe


    Silicone coupler was trimmed down a bit too. Here is the final product.


    Installed. Notice the fitment is good but not perfect, the OEM pipe is under a little bit of tension but it has the ability to flex so it's no big deal


    Here is a sound clip. For me this is the perfect amount of blower noise, it's subtle but audible when the blower is engaged and louder when you are WOT.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaqohcDOSmc

    Decided to take the plunge and run pullies. ECS 187mm crank pulley will be paired with a CTS 57.33mm upper pulley. I snagged some lingering Black Friday deals and for the pullies + belts + bolts this will be ~$400. Not bad since most crank pullies are in the $450 range. Obviously this will increase blower speed and boost but the added benefit I see of the crank pulley is protecting the harmonic balancer. The OEM unit is a rubber donut sandwiched between metal. The serpentine belt sits closer to the engine and the blower belt is farther forward and therefore has more leverage on the balancer. The tensioner is also very strong for the supercharger, the Evo/CREC engine even has a stronger tensioner than the older 3.0T engines. Adding the ECS pulley will transfer that tension from the supercharger directly to the crank hub and not stress the harmonic balancer, which should allow the harmonic balancer to live a stress free time and greatly extend service life. See, it's not about boost, it's about long term reliability ...and boost!

    Also, there is a lot of buzz about cooling upgrades when going to stage 2 but that's mainly from the S4 guys. I looked up some stats and the S4 has 6.7L of coolant capacity, the Q7 has 15L, more than double and we have more heat exchangers and better supercharger intercoolers as well. I am not particularly worried about thermal issues but I will do some logging of IATs and temps to make sure. Also, the Q7 won't be flogged around a track or doing back-back 1/4 mile runs like the S4 guys. Our Q7 will live life like a normal Q7, usually being driven "normal" but when it call for spirited driving or an overtake the added power will be there so with the infrequent high-load scenarios on the engine the cooling system should have time to recover anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucsbwsr View Post
    I have a set of new Bilstein B4 front dampers and bump stops in the garage and I thought I had a set of rear struts on the way but apparently they are backordered and everyone selling them lists them as "in-stock" so I have been refunded multiple times from incompetent sellers. H&Rs would be paired with new struts but still not ideal since B4s are intended for stock height. I also feel H&R drops the front end too much. Preserving the ride quality we have is important and I don't want to get into a situation where we are rubbing on road trips when loaded up just so the Q7 looks sick unloaded. Wish we had air suspension! Unless a more convincing lowering spring/strut combo comes along I will likely keep the ride height *sigh* stock.
    Does KW offer a HAS (height adjustable spring) kit for the Q7? essentially allows you to turn your factory dampers into coilovers so you have control over the drop, a lot of people seem to like them on other Audi platforms. I believe ABT offer HAS for some cars too if KW doesn't have them for the Q7

    Also hows the wind noise with those cross bars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 19birel View Post
    Does KW offer a HAS (height adjustable spring) kit for the Q7? essentially allows you to turn your factory dampers into coilovers so you have control over the drop, a lot of people seem to like them on other Audi platforms. I believe ABT offer HAS for some cars too if KW doesn't have them for the Q7

    Also hows the wind noise with those cross bars?
    I am familiar with the HAS system and it would be a great option for my situation but it looks like ABT and KW don't offer anything for the Q7. When searching for lowering springs all I found was H&R.

    The bare bars are fairly quiet, you hear them but it's not a whistle or road, just a subtle hiss. Quieter than the Yakima Aeroblades I run on my BMWs but I think it might have more to do with the sound deadening on the Q7 than the bars themselves. Either way they aren't very loud which I am pleased about since the Q7 had a perforated pano roof partition as opposed to a solid one. I had concerns but am pleased with them so far.

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    How did you decide on Ravenol AWD-TOR vs their SLS 75W-140 (https://www.blauparts.com/ravenol-ge...0-gl-5-1l.html)

    Both are claimed to be crosses for audi oil G055145a2. Just curious if you had insight into whether one was a better match than the other for the center diff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dispatch20 View Post
    How did you decide on Ravenol AWD-TOR vs their SLS 75W-140 (https://www.blauparts.com/ravenol-ge...0-gl-5-1l.html)
    Both are claimed to be crosses for audi oil G055145a2. Just curious if you had insight into whether one was a better match than the other for the center diff.
    To be honest I just followed a reference for the AWD-TOR and didn't do further research on the site to learn that the SLS 75w-140 is also applicable, so that option was never on my radar.

    As is turns out I now have the grumble when doing tight turns so I will get getting the OEM fluid with the friction modifier. I am familiar with these "very expensive" OEM +FM fluids from my BMW M differentials but I overlooked that the Audi shares a similar situation. If I had done proper research I would have purchased the OEM fluid from the get-go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucsbwsr View Post
    To be honest I just followed a reference for the AWD-TOR and didn't do further research on the site to learn that the SLS 75w-140 is also applicable, so that option was never on my radar.

    As is turns out I now have the grumble when doing tight turns so I will get getting the OEM fluid with the friction modifier. I am familiar with these "very expensive" OEM +FM fluids from my BMW M differentials but I overlooked that the Audi shares a similar situation. If I had done proper research I would have purchased the OEM fluid from the get-go.
    Interesting! Fresh AWD-TOR caused a center diff rumble when the original OEM fluid did not.

    AWD-TOR has a "4% friction modifier" although they don't specify if it is the same Sturaco friction modifier often used in the Audi fluid.

    I've got bad center rumble on both my Q7 and S4, and now I'm questioning whether using AWD-TOR is worth it. It is not a trivial effort to change the center diff fluid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dispatch20 View Post
    I've got bad center rumble on both my Q7 and S4, and now I'm questioning whether using AWD-TOR is worth it. It is not a trivial effort to change the center diff fluid.
    Getting to the center diff fill/drain plugs isn't bad, you only need to drop the trans support. When I did my fluid I was extra lazy and once the trans support was unbolted I let it sit on the exhaust and used a plastic bag to divert fluid into a receptacle.

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    First road trip in the books, 500+ miles from San Diego to Napa. Q7 was a smooth operator and a comfortable place to be. I definitely miss the opulent torque from my diesel X5 but in overtaking situations once the Q7 downshifted it had a nice pull high in the rev range.

    Cruising speed was 75-80mph with an open road although light traffic dropped the average speed to ~70mph. Q7 returned 18mpg which isn't great but there was a lot of drag with the cargo box and MTBs hanging of the back.

    I explained to my wife what a supercharger is, how it works, and showed her what our Eaton blower sounds like now that it's easier to hear with my intake mods. She likes the noise! Nice.

    An error code: P1B1C00 popped up for cooling system which told me to stop the vehicle and check coolant. Coolant was full and oil/coolant temps were fine so I am assuming it might be a faulty level sensor? Not too worried but will keep an eye out.

    The Q7's tapered roof line makes it a sleek looking vehicle but it makes for wonky cargo box positioning. My Yakima Skybox 16 looks like it ready to blast off into space with it's nose in the air. Wind noise was TERRIBLE. The box was making much more noise than it does on my X5. Part of that is the upward box positioning and the other part is the Q7 has a thin perforated sun partition as opposed to solid panels so not much sound was blocked. The wind noise seemed extra defening since the Q7 is otherwise such a quiet vehicle.* The noise was so bad that suddenly spending $1,400 on a SkiGuard seems reasonable.

    With the Q7 loaded up the rear ride height is just about where I would want it to be if I lowered the vehicle, lower the front 1" to match and it would be just about right.

    This photo reminds me I need to recondition the A/B pillar window trim.



    The pups have a good life and were excited to christen the Q7 with dog hair. Let the never ending battle of cleaning dog hair commence.


    Oilver enjoying the recently conditioned leather. lol


    "We there yet?"

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    Excellent write up! I am literally about to complete this exact same maintenance on my 2017 Q7. My current situation is oil consumption @ 95k miles... so I started buying all the parts to replace upon pulling SC to replace PCV. Couple of questions? can you provide your parts list .. specifically all pulleys / tensioners / oil switches. I wanted to confirm what you mentioned w/ SC clutch requiring to be energized by special tool? I was planning to replace after servicing the SC (ECS Tuning Kit), however I do not have that tool... honestly I thought plug and play! Is that the shop manual you are referencing on laptop? Currently deployed, but will be completing this upon my return next month. Thank you in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbycollins View Post
    Excellent write up! I am literally about to complete this exact same maintenance on my 2017 Q7. My current situation is oil consumption @ 95k miles... so I started buying all the parts to replace upon pulling SC to replace PCV. Couple of questions? can you provide your parts list .. specifically all pulleys / tensioners / oil switches. I wanted to confirm what you mentioned w/ SC clutch requiring to be energized by special tool? I was planning to replace after servicing the SC (ECS Tuning Kit), however I do not have that tool... honestly I thought plug and play! Is that the shop manual you are referencing on laptop? Currently deployed, but will be completing this upon my return next month. Thank you in advance!
    Here are some screen shots of the parts I have purchased. SC clutch is 06E-145-105-S

    The service manual I downloaded was a link I found on the forums somewhere, it's 8,000 pages and 300MB, way too big to link here so I would suggest to keep poking around the forums, it's bound to pop up.

    I am happy to rent out the supercharger clutch energizing tool if you would like to borrow it. I would ask for deposit that would be partially refunded, $40 would be kept as the rental fee. I would cover outbound shipping and you would cover return shipping. The tool would also come with printed instructions on the energizing process. Shoot me a message if this interests you.

    Here is what I ordered for my Q7 but I strongly suggest you cross reference parts on your own, follow my guide at your own risk.


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    Center, front, and rear diff are all specialized fluids. There's a ZF thread on it for anyone looking to do it. Front and rear seem the same but there is an audi parts difference I could never narrow down.

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    Thank you for the quick reply! I am definitely down for renting and will hit you up once I get back.

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    Great build!

    Quote Originally Posted by rj124104 View Post
    Evan,

    Fantastic work! I came from an S6 to this Q7, and have been trying to make it work for me. Would love to hear about your ideas for suspension - this floaty ride is killing me. We spec'd it without air suspension (due to concerns about reliability), although I know wish I had!

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