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    DS1 Stage 1 91 and TVS Stage 2+ Review

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    Got about 1k miles of street driving on this combo, so want to contribute my experience.

    TL;DR: Both tunes are OEM quality calibrations and work beautifully together. The car is fast and smooth and has way more torque. Wastegate rattle is gone, exhaust valves are always fully open in Sport, soft limiter is gone. The trans tune is so good and the shift points in Sport are so much better than stock that I wish I'd flashed it in the dealer's lot. DS1 flashing process is slick and fast as hell, best I've used. TVS's process is a huge pain in the ass.



    A year ago today I bought a new RS3 after driving a manual Mk7.5 R for a couple years and falling in love with the MQB chassis.

    At 7k miles I flashed it (using an iPhone) to DS1 Stage 1 91. It's a great tune, gives the car all the low-end torque it's missing and makes it pull harder up top, all with OEM drivability. On other platforms I've had tunes by Dinan, bootmod3, Unitronic, EQT, and would put DS1's flashing process and quality of tune at the top. I reached out to Darin Dichiara for an OTS file that removed the wastegate rattle and fully opened the exhaust valves. Considered editing the tables myself, but the license to register the utility, TunerProRT, costs the same as what Darin charged anyway.

    The engine felt great, but the gearbox was now a big step behind. It felt balky, the power attenuated by a lack of clutch clamping pressure, and short-shifting at partial throttle caused big drop-offs in torque, like the car was falling out of boost. For 1500 miles the engine and gearbox being out of sync made it feel that unpleasant tuner car way, faster but qualitatively worse.

    Enter TVS. I knew the whole send-and-receive thing would be a pain in the ass, and that it was possible to brick your flasher, but I didn't expect to actually do it!



    A few things to note:

    -When you do the initial ECU scan, the utility gives an error saying "ECU not recognized"; this is apparently normal, you can still proceed with "Copy Screen Text". I spent some time flashing back to stock and repeating this process needlessly.
    -I got my file in 6 business days.
    -Even though my car has a DQ500, and even though the file they sent was named DQ500, I needed to select DQ380 from the "Detected ECU Type" drop-down menu. Selecting DQ500 was a fatal mistake. When I got my 2nd flasher back with instructions to select DQ380 (shoutout to Max at Eurocode, who was extremely helpful at every step of this process), the damn thing flashed in 3 minutes.

    And it's a revelation. In every mode, in every driving scenario, it's dramatically better. Shifts are fast and firm, never harsh. Partial-throttle acceleration is immensely improved. Revised shift points make S so much more pleasant to use around town. There are up- and downshift arrows in the gear display now. Revs to 7000. Even if the engine tune were stock I'd do the TVS drivability tune in a heartbeat.

    The car finally has that aggressiveness and edge I felt it was missing, with better than OEM drivability. DS1 is the state of the art, and TVS are DSG wizards.

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    Nice review, and that is one clean ride you have there! Any chance of getting some draggy times? :)

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    TVS, ftw. Thanks for the review, can’t wait to get mine.

    Cheers

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    thanks for the review, what other mods are you running ?

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    this is the exact same combo in considering. I'm assuming you purchased the TVS from eurocode?

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    How has D mode changed, if any at all? Thanks for the review.

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    Appreciate the comments.

    No Dragy times, sorry. Car only has midpipes and a K&N. TVS tune and flasher purchased from Eurocode, who kept me updated with emails and phone calls throughout and were gracious with my fuck-up.

    D mode is much improved as well, more eager to kick down, less boggy. I'm a big manual guy and rather not use the paddles in most circumstances, I just want an automatic to perform based on throttle inputs. Stock programming was terrible, more power exacerbated it, but now it's perfect.
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    You're not the only one to brick your TVS flash tool. I did the exact same thing because Eurocode provided absolutely zero instructions on what to do. Thankfully TVS unlocked it for me after working with their flash tool developer to get the unlock code. Really disappointed to hear it happened to someone else though. TVS said they were going to make sure Eurocode knows to provide detailed instructions with every purchase. Guess Eurocode is still dropping the ball on that. Glad they fixed it for you though.
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    FYI - You don't have to register the TunerPro. It's just a suggestion...

    That said, I appreciate your review! I've got a Mabo DS1 ethanol setup and I'm in the process of trying to figure out the TCU situation. Sounds like I need to rethink 034 and consider TVS?

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    You don't need to register TunerProRT but it doesn't cost much I want to support the developer.
    Is very useful tool to have if you are like me and like to dig into the maps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5CYL_BTLSHIP View Post
    You're not the only one to brick your TVS flash tool. I did the exact same thing because Eurocode provided absolutely zero instructions on what to do. Thankfully TVS unlocked it for me after working with their flash tool developer to get the unlock code. Really disappointed to hear it happened to someone else though. TVS said they were going to make sure Eurocode knows to provide detailed instructions with every purchase. Guess Eurocode is still dropping the ball on that. Glad they fixed it for you though.
    Yeah, this is fair. I wanted to keep my initial post succinct, but even getting to the scanning part was tough.

    The flasher itself came with zero documentation, just a plug and a cable in a box. I emailed TVS to find out where to download the Windows utility, and they sent me the username and password for their website backend to download it, along with the Software Request Form and a PDF of instructions (which made no mention of the DQ500/DQ380 thing). The TVS website has no public facing link or even mention of the flashing utility that I could find.

    A helpful thing Eurocode could do is send an email with info and instructions when they ship the flasher or relay the file, and a helpful thing TVS could do is update that PDF and their website.

    Hopefully people can find this thread and avoid some headaches.
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    Was the 7000 RPM shift point configurable with the stage 2+? I need a few more RPMs and Unitronics 6800 isn't cutting it.

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    Another quick review, having both had Uni and APR, the TVS stage 2+ is absolutely phenomenal, D and S are excellent, better shift logic, faster pull away, and no violence under wot shifting like the Uni. Highly recommend!

    Also a huge thank you to the OP, you do indeed need to select DQ380 not DQ500 when choosing your gearbox, flashed in ~3minutes with no issues.

    There are 3 configurable options for the stage 2+, TVS has you fill out a sheet, you get to select auto shift in manual mode at redline (y/n), redline, and launch control rpm for no extra cost.

    Cheers to Max@Ecode Tuning for getting the tune turned around in 1 business day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by o1turbo30v View Post
    Another quick review, having both had Uni and APR, the TVS stage 2+ is absolutely phenomenal, D and S are excellent, better shift logic, faster pull away, and no violence under wot shifting like the Uni. Highly recommend!

    Also a huge thank you to the OP, you do indeed need to select DQ380 not DQ500 when choosing your gearbox, flashed in ~3minutes with no issues.

    There are 3 configurable options for the stage 2+, TVS has you fill out a sheet, you get to select auto shift in manual mode at redline (y/n), redline, and launch control rpm for no extra cost.

    Cheers to Max@Ecode Tuning for getting the tune turned around in 1 business day.
    Nice and thank you for review. What's the ECU tune ?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arulrs3 View Post
    Nice and thank you for review. What's the ECU tune ?.
    Unitronic stage 1+, they play very nicely together

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    Can we pay extra to get the WOT shift violence? ;-) is there essentially two shift modes between D and S, could one be tuned to drive smoothe around town in D but violent shifts in S?

    Quote Originally Posted by o1turbo30v View Post
    Another quick review, having both had Uni and APR, the TVS stage 2+ is absolutely phenomenal, D and S are excellent, better shift logic, faster pull away, and no violence under wot shifting like the Uni. Highly recommend!

    Also a huge thank you to the OP, you do indeed need to select DQ380 not DQ500 when choosing your gearbox, flashed in ~3minutes with no issues.

    There are 3 configurable options for the stage 2+, TVS has you fill out a sheet, you get to select auto shift in manual mode at redline (y/n), redline, and launch control rpm for no extra cost.

    Cheers to Max@Ecode Tuning for getting the tune turned around in 1 business day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECNMY R View Post
    Yeah, this is fair. I wanted to keep my initial post succinct, but even getting to the scanning part was tough.

    The flasher itself came with zero documentation, just a plug and a cable in a box. I emailed TVS to find out where to download the Windows utility, and they sent me the username and password for their website backend to download it, along with the Software Request Form and a PDF of instructions (which made no mention of the DQ500/DQ380 thing). The TVS website has no public facing link or even mention of the flashing utility that I could find.

    A helpful thing Eurocode could do is send an email with info and instructions when they ship the flasher or relay the file, and a helpful thing TVS could do is update that PDF and their website.

    Hopefully people can find this thread and avoid some headaches.


    Any chance you could share the file you speak of for other users considering TVS in the future?

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