Chinese turbos

[ramboss6]

Has anybody ran these turbos from aliexpress? I see there's the rs7 oem and another bigger version. Seller wouldn't give me a straight answer about warranty but it says 10 orders so I'm assuming are running them. Screenshot_20211014-131808_AliExpress.jpg

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[IssaWrapVinyl]

They work. Get them looked at by a turbo shop. But people have gotten 40k miles out of them. I have SRM RS7 turbskis. Make sure there’s no shaft play. And make sure the whole lines up. I threw a set of them on another car. The driver side turbo didn’t line up how it should. So instead of almost 2 inch gap from exhaust manifold & inlet. It’s like an inch away. Brought it to the owners attention. And he didn’t care since charge cooler cools IAT’s anyways. He’s put 3500 miles
On the car. I installed them in august.


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[IssaWrapVinyl]

Hole for where the cartridge seats with the exhaust manifold/housing.


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[ramboss6]

Hole for where the cartridge seats with the exhaust manifold/housing.


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Thanks for the comment will mist likley do add them to my to do list after rs6 bumper and face lift headlights

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[ItsLarryG]

I have the Ali turbos for a year now. One of them did need clocked which is easy to do and will make everything line up correctly, just make sure to check them before everything is back together so you don’t have to take it all apart again.

Warranty, lol.

[altspacen]

I wonder if the larger version is similar to the +4mm upgrade to those RS7 turbos.

[aaronsananikone]

Just wanted to revisit this thread and see if any others have/can share their personal experiences with these turbos coming out of China and which exact seller/manufacturer you bought from? I mean, lets be honest, almost all aftermarket brands (SRM/JHM/HPA,etc) are probably OEM sourcing out of China and having them slap their logo on the snail to begin with to help their bottom line... I HIGHLY doubt they are rebranding some pricey Borgwarners' while being able to make much if any profit...

But anyways my point is I think isolating a "reliable" manufacturer out of the many in China could be a big break through for the community and those with turbo failure issues or those just wanting to upgrade without the associations of a fancy name and fancy price tag...

I mean another option is to look at product import logs and see which brand is importing from which manufacturer specifically through their Bill of Ladings, but that would take some time and digging... Hope to hear peoples thoughts and experiences out there, good or bad!

Just a quick search for top Turbocharger MFG's by volume pulled up these results:

Honeywell (USA)
Borgwarner (USA)
Cummins Turbocharger (USA)
IHI (Japan)
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (Japan)
Bosch Mahler (BMTS)
Continental (Germany)
ZAGE (Taiwan Island)
Hunan Wild Goose (Mainland China)
Weifang Fuyuan (Mainland China)
Ningbo Fengwo (Mainland China)

SIDE NOTE* - If you don't have any personal experience, direct or at least second hand, please spare us any negative/elitist thoughts or opinions...We are all enthusiasts here alike and are entitled to spend our money on our own vehicles how we choose...We get it, you like so and so brand and won't run anything less than them and that's great for you, but maybe not everyone else...

[Alabama]

But anyways my point is I think isolating a "reliable" manufacturer out of the many in China could be a big break through for the community and those with turbo failure issues or those just wanting to upgrade without the associations of a fancy name and fancy price tag.....

Interesting idea, but I wonder how one gets accurate information. I wonder if anyone knows from which companies Audi sources its OEM turbos. I expect the Audis sold in Europe would use Bosch or Continental, but Audi also sells in China. My understanding is that China (as does other countries) encourages using locally produced parts in cars sold within the country. Maybe that applies to turbos.

[ItsLarryG]

I have been told that these Chinese knockoff companies put forth a lot of effort to copy things, but my RS turbos looked pretty darn close to the stock S turbos I took off. I like to assume they were built from overrun parts and sold at a discount after Audi stopped ordering them.

[aaronsananikone]

I work in manufacturing and import/export with Chinese oem products but in a different field which is why I wanted to revive this thread...regardless I can agree with Larry and atest to the QC and lengths of efforts these Chinese manufacturers go through to produce a quality replica... A lot of the time they are even 3rd party testing to industry standards, using labs like SGS/Intertek to test against ASTM/ISO/EN (whatever the relevant tests standard is for field)...

Granted quality and tolerances of said quality are the main question, but I think it's a strong possibility a Chinese mfg is making OEM turbos for the Chinese domestic VW/Audi market...I guess my real question is wondering or trying to figure out which one it is to give the community another replacement alternative

[ericw.]

I work in manufacturing and import/export with Chinese oem products but in a different field which is why I wanted to revive this thread...regardless I can agree with Larry and atest to the QC and lengths of efforts these Chinese manufacturers go through to produce a quality replica... A lot of the time they are even 3rd party testing to industry standards, using labs like SGS/Intertek to test against ASTM/ISO/EN (whatever the relevant tests standard is for field)...

Granted quality and tolerances of said quality are the main question, but I think it's a strong possibility a Chinese mfg is making OEM turbos for the Chinese domestic VW/Audi market...I guess my real question is wondering or trying to figure out which one it is to give the community another replacement alternative

Audi/VW uses BorgWarner to produce their turbos. They're definitely not putting $200 aliexpress chyna turbos on any of their cars from the factory. lol

Most V8TT cars are built in Germany/UK as well. Not produced alongside base model cars in North America. Open your door and the door seal plate will tell you where it was built. Mine says Germany.

[Alabama]

Audi/VW uses BorgWarner to produce their turbos. They're definitely not putting $200 aliexpress chyna turbos on any of their cars from the factory. lol

Most V8TT cars are built in Germany/UK as well. Not produced alongside base model cars in North America. Open your door and the door seal plate will tell you where it was built. Mine says Germany.

My engine was built in Hungary, transmission in Germany as was final assembly. Supposedly 75% of the parts are from Germany; only 1% from USA/Canada. This is from the Monroney label.

[aaronsananikone]

Audi/VW uses BorgWarner to produce their turbos. They're definitely not putting $200 aliexpress chyna turbos on any of their cars from the factory. lol

Most V8TT cars are built in Germany/UK as well. Not produced alongside base model cars in North America. Open your door and the door seal plate will tell you where it was built. Mine says Germany.

I think you missed my general idea...I never said they are using the $200 aliexpress turbos, my point is that China has 33 VW manufacturing plants and has a wide variety of models and engine offerings we do not see stateside. Thus leads me to believe they are possibly working with a Chinese based turbo manufacturer in order to save costs and also use domestic products (Chinese turbos on Chinese produced vehicles*)... I highly doubt they are importing containers of turbos from another country for Chinese vehicle production when China is the land of manufacturing...All I'm saying is a Chinese based MFG might be a strong possibility, and if so then obviously VW has gone through extensive lengths to vet said manufacturer and their quality and products...

Which then leads me more specifically talking about aftermarket OE replacement turbos like from SRM/HPA/JHM whoever etc etc... Like I mentioned, I highly doubt they are re-branding Borgs or any of the top of the line manufacturers. So if point A. is true (possibility of VW using Chinese turbos on Chinese vehicles*) then point B. maybe said turbo company has a similar offering for our cars (Which might be same OR even better quality the aftermarket OE options out there*)

TBH I wouldn't be surprised if some of you upgraded turbo guys are running Chinese turbos and don't even know it... Just because something is branded with a US based company name or logo doesn't mean it was made here

[sepheroth86]

I have used ebay China turbos on other platforms with great success.

That being said, Chinese wastegates and blow off valves leave a good bit to be desired but work alright until they have to regulate higher boost pressures.

[ericw.]

I think you missed my general idea...I never said they are using the $200 aliexpress turbos, my point is that China has 33 VW manufacturing plants and has a wide variety of models and engine offerings we do not see stateside. Thus leads me to believe they are possibly working with a Chinese based turbo manufacturer in order to save costs and also use domestic products (Chinese turbos on Chinese produced vehicles*)... I highly doubt they are importing containers of turbos from another country for Chinese vehicle production when China is the land of manufacturing...All I'm saying is a Chinese based MFG might be a strong possibility, and if so then obviously VW has gone through extensive lengths to vet said manufacturer and their quality and products...

Which then leads me more specifically talking about aftermarket OE replacement turbos like from SRM/HPA/JHM whoever etc etc... Like I mentioned, I highly doubt they are re-branding Borgs or any of the top of the line manufacturers. So if point A. is true (possibility of VW using Chinese turbos on Chinese vehicles*) then point B. maybe said turbo company has a similar offering for our cars (Which might be same OR even better quality the aftermarket OE options out there*)

TBH I wouldn't be surprised if some of you upgraded turbo guys are running Chinese turbos and don't even know it... Just because something is branded with a US based company name or logo doesn't mean it was made here

I don't think North America has any Audi produced in China but here's a list of BorgWarner facilities, listing 2 production factories in Beijing.

https://www.borgwarner.com/company/locations

JHM turbos are made in UK by Melett. Some would argue otherwise because Melett owns a CNC factory in China that produces some of the turbo parts but assembly and strict testing, including flow testing of every single turbo, all happens in UK.




IMO owning the factory in China where you control process, raw material, and quality is a big step up from being essentially a turbo reseller with no insight outside of whether they're balanced turbos.

I run SRM +4 turbos that are definitely from China but that's all we had available when I needed turbos. Lol

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[aaronsananikone]

I don't think North America has any Audi produced in China but here's a list of BorgWarner facilities, listing 2 production factories in Beijing.

https://www.borgwarner.com/company/locations

JHM turbos are made in UK by Melett. Some would argue otherwise because Melett owns a CNC factory in China that produces some of the turbo parts but assembly and strict testing, including flow testing of every single turbo, all happens in UK.




IMO owning the factory in China where you control process, raw material, and quality is a big step up from being essentially a turbo reseller with no insight outside of whether they're balanced turbos.

I run SRM +4 turbos that are definitely from China but that's all we had available when I needed turbos. Lol

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Appreciate the information and sharing with us. From your experience, how do you like your SRM's, any direct feedback on them? Length of Ownership? Reliability? Issues? I'm wondering which factory in China is making them which is my bread and butter question...

Honestly supply chain is a funny thing...being in the business, it's VERY easy to say that your parts are MFG in country X but assembled in country Y, but in reality it is all handled in Country X then repackaged in country Y. There are a lot of walk arounds to say the least. Just like my business, we say we "own" 2 manufacturing facilities in China, one in S. Korea and one in Vietnam...But in reality we just have signed contracts and "rights" to certain "spec" of products...

Nevertheless it seems many people have had great success and longevity with running the SRM turbos, promising info to find out they are indeed Chinese sourced...

[ericw.]

Appreciate the information and sharing with us. From your experience, how do you like your SRM's, any direct feedback on them? Length of Ownership? Reliability? Issues? I'm wondering which factory in China is making them which is my bread and butter question...

Honestly supply chain is a funny thing...being in the business, it's VERY easy to say that your parts are MFG in country X but assembled in country Y, but in reality it is all handled in Country X then repackaged in country Y. There are a lot of walk arounds to say the least. Just like my business, we say we "own" 2 manufacturing facilities in China, one in S. Korea and one in Vietnam...But in reality we just have signed contracts and "rights" to certain "spec" of products...

Nevertheless it seems many people have had great success and longevity with running the SRM turbos, promising info to find out they are indeed Chinese sourced...

I've had them since October 2019 and only put around 15k on them since then (estimated). I haven't had any problems so far but since the pandemic started, hobbies shifted, the car has done a lot of sitting in my garage while hooked up to a battery tender. I've been driving other cars lately.

UK and US have regulations around what percentage of a product needs to be made domestically to wear their "made in" label.

Labeling requirements specific to UK (JHM turbos): https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-yo...ules-of-origin

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[aaronsananikone]

I've had them since October 2019 and only put around 15k on them since then (estimated). I haven't had any problems so far but since the pandemic started, hobbies shifted, the car has done a lot of sitting in my garage while hooked up to a battery tender. I've been driving other cars lately.

UK and US have regulations around what percentage of a product needs to be made domestically to wear their "made in" label.

Labeling requirements specific to UK (JHM turbos): https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-yo...ules-of-origin

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Any hard driving/launching apart of that 15k? I would imagine a small portion would have to be, and for 2yrs @ ~$1600 so $800/yr investment isn't too bad (minus any labor costs/unless you installed yourself*). I have a sneaking suspicion and wouldnt doubt the SRM turbos are probably mfg by a mfg who sells on Aliexpress under a DBA or through a 3rd party. I wouldn't even doubt it is possibly the same mfg OP posted...

I guess I could probably just look up import logs to see who is making them for SRM. Maybe I'll find some time to dig that up when I can...Either way if we can isolate a quality/reputable mfg out of China at a reduced cost and audizine members could get the same turbos as these branded aftermarket turbos, why not help the community find out who that mfg is...

[ericw.]

Any hard driving/launching apart of that 15k? I would imagine a small portion would have to be, and for 2yrs @ ~$1600 so $800/yr investment isn't too bad (minus any labor costs/unless you installed yourself*). I have a sneaking suspicion and wouldnt doubt the SRM turbos are probably mfg by a mfg who sells on Aliexpress under a DBA or through a 3rd party. I wouldn't even doubt it is possibly the same mfg OP posted...

I guess I could probably just look up import logs to see who is making them for SRM. Maybe I'll find some time to dig that up when I can...Either way if we can isolate a quality/reputable mfg out of China at a reduced cost and audizine members could get the same turbos as these branded aftermarket turbos, why not help the community find out who that mfg is...

I've done a handful of launches and the car basically lives all its highway miles over 80mph. It's seen some heat cycles.

I wouldn't be comfortable breaking down the value like you have. True that they're not expensive to replace but it's expensive to clean up. Failures aren't always straight forward so there's a risk that you'll need to replace more than just turbos. Charge core adds $500 and if you damage it, it dumps coolant into the cylinders.

In a worst case, metal finds it's way into the cylinder and you need a new engine.

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