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    Audi A6 C7 Vs Audi S6 C7 review

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    This is a little review based on both cars. Now i wont say the A6 it's a better car because i have one but i will say it felt more aggressive. So i have the 3.0T supercharged engine. i was going to buy the S6 with the V8TT but after driving both I liked the 3.0 better. I'm might be going crazy but i have owned 3 2.0ts and this is my first big engine for me apart from my Galant 3.8 v6 back when i was 17 lol. To be fair when i accelerated 0-80 on the S6 for some reason i did not like the 7 speed. it was rough and i didn't get that push back in the seat for 450Hp. I was expecting more. now will the S6 be an animal when tuned YES is it faster Obviously. When i drove the 3.0 supercharged with the zf 8 speed the transmission shifter quick AF and didn't feel it. and i got pushed back into my seat more then the S6. with less torque and HP. I might be going crazy so i decided to call my dad. he test drove both of them and said i was right. so i thought that S6 had an issue maybe. we went to drive another one before making my decision. and it was the same thing. I like the 3.0 better. the S6 handled better due to sport suspension. but we are talking about acceleration here. I'm i going crazy? and yes i did go with the A6 instead of the S6 not due to price but due to what i liked better engine wise.
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    I drove them back-to-back 2 thousandand 17 competition package versus versus S6. prefered 3.0T felt more ballanced

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    Quote Originally Posted by woolb2 View Post
    I drove them back-to-back 2 thousandand 17 competition package versus versus S6. prefered 3.0T felt more ballanced

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    So it's not just me that thinks that wow.
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    An S6 is objectively faster than an A6 stock to stock, assuming there are no issues with the S6. Maybe you drove a stage 2 A6 without realizing it, that would be a little to a good bit faster than a stock S6 depending on mods. Either that or there was something up with the S6 you drove.
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    I haven't driven an a6 but I had a b8 s4 before moving to my S7. Man, I loved the 3.0T it's a great engine with excellent response. Power-wise my S7 doesn't feel much if any faster than my S4. I know there's a nice weight difference between the two and a little over 100 horsepower difference. I thought the S7 would feel a lot faster during my test drive and I really wasn't wowed. I enjoyed the comfortability of the S7 and extra space(needed baby room) The 4.0T definitely needs a tune to shine. Not sure if there was something up with the s6 you drove but my DSG is buttery smooth. There are instances where it has its quirks, but it's generally smooth and quick for me.

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    There are advantages and disadvantages to both. I chose the A6 because i didn't want to deal with servicing the DSG. Heard the DSG was clunky around town, was scared of turbo failure, was scared of expensive suspension failure. My choice at the time was a 2013 S6 with medium mileage for its age or a 2016 A6 fully loaded with slightly high mileage, a more powerful MMI. The A6 was about 7k cheaper. Also my last A6 had sport seats and on long hauls, they got to me. Felt like I was sitting on a catchers mitt.

    A stage 1 upgrade and a Berk tune makes some big changes and takes minutes. OBDEleven unlocks the track timer and HUD options. Where I live, low torque and instant power is important. No place to wind a car out that has a lot of top end. I enjoy pulling in to traffic from a subdivision and instantly matching everybody elses speed with a blip of the throttle. Since I have a Stage 2 DP, the torque hit is pretty solid.

    Brake torque with the TCU tune releases the hounds in sport mode with a slight chirp. Was told to not take off like that in M or the tires would spin. Shifts are as fast as they can be on a ZF8 which obviously works in the RS6/RS7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k16A6 View Post
    An S6 is objectively faster than an A6 stock to stock, assuming there are no issues with the S6.
    I would tend to agree.
    The stock v. stock the S6 is likely a full second faster in the quarter mile, but who drives like that normally... And day-to-day or stop-and-go the 3.0T is indeed better to drive the combo of the s/c motor and ZF work very well.
    It is actually a shame to see it go and be replaced by turbos, but Audi's next round will simply be EV and then throttle responsiveness and initial acceleration will no longer be an issue.
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    Some of the torque output on the new turbo V6 engine is crazy with a tune. More psychotic on E85.

    Here is a 2016 S6 being driven by someone that knows how to launch with a DSG:

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    I would be all over the A6 BUT the S6 interior is way way superior for me with the bucket seats and carbon fiber trim. True, you could get them added in later but only at a significant cost. Now that being said, at least for me, the air suspension, turbos and, lord knows what is next have made the S6 a nightmare to own financially. I am blessed to have the funding to be able to pay for repair but anyone who knows me would be so surprised I spent that much in a car instead of life experiences. No S6 type car in my future when I'm done with this one.

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    I haven’t driven a lot of Audis, but I know that I love my Supercharged 3.0T 2017 A6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveC View Post
    I haven’t driven a lot of Audis, but I know that I love my Supercharged 3.0T 2017 A6.
    I'm with you SteveC,; haven't driven many either. I know that I love my Turbocharged 2016 S6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woolb2 View Post
    I drove them back-to-back 2 thousandand 17 competition package versus versus S6. prefered 3.0T felt more ballanced

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    Having owned both, that sentiment is likely because of the transmission (DSG vs ZF8) paired with the smooth power delivery of the S/C.

    Around town, the driveability is much more balanced in the A6 as you stated. Besides that, the brakes, sheer power of the 4.0t, suspension/handling of the S6/7 wins for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by digdah View Post
    I would be all over the A6 BUT the S6 interior is way way superior for me with the bucket seats and carbon fiber trim. True, you could get them added in later but only at a significant cost. Now that being said, at least for me, the air suspension, turbos and, lord knows what is next have made the S6 a nightmare to own financially. I am blessed to have the funding to be able to pay for repair but anyone who knows me would be so surprised I spent that much in a car instead of life experiences. No S6 type car in my future when I'm done with this one.
    Good deals can be found though. I added all the valcona leather parts to my A6 besides seats and it was a very nice OEM plus upgrade to the stock A6 interior, and well worth it in my view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMarkey View Post
    Having owned both, that sentiment is likely because of the transmission (DSG vs ZF8) paired with the smooth power delivery of the S/C.

    Around town, the driveability is much more balanced in the A6 as you stated. Besides that, the brakes, sheer power of the 4.0t, suspension/handling of the S6/7 wins for me.


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    You can do a stage 1 ecu/TCU on the A6 and get much better acceleration… and, FwIW, the sport diff on the comp package is pretty fun.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JWebb_C7_Comp View Post
    You can do a stage 1 ecu/TCU on the A6 and get much better acceleration… and, FwIW, the sport diff on the comp package is pretty fun.


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    I think that’s a valid statement for either of these cars. Adding a tune is always an option to take it to the next level. S6/7 comes with the sport diff without an upgrade option (depending on the MY)


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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMarkey View Post
    I think that’s a valid statement for either of these cars. Adding a tune is always an option to take it to the next level. S6/7 comes with the sport diff without an upgrade option (depending on the MY)


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    IIRC sport diff is part of the optional sport package for C7.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audisthesia View Post
    IIRC sport diff is part of the optional sport package for C7.5
    That is certainly why I added “depending on MY”.

    Although, the OP was only talking C7 vs C7, which it comes standard (S6/7) and I don’t believe the Sport Diff came into play on the A6 Competition until MY17 (C7.5). A little apples and oranges to the OP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMarkey View Post
    That is certainly why I added “depending on MY”.

    Although, the OP was only talking C7 vs C7, which it comes standard (S6/7) and I don’t believe the Sport Diff came into play on the A6 Competition until MY17 (C7.5). A little apples and oranges to the OP.


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    I need to read more carefully. The sport diff is an interesting animal. You really have to be driving 'spirited' to notice it at all, but when you do, it's seriously impressive. First time I felt it work it's magic I was hauling ass thru a roundabout like Mario Andretti. It's like some sort of magic bringing the rear end of the 6 series barge around like it's a an RS3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audisthesia View Post
    I need to read more carefully. The sport diff is an interesting animal. You really have to be driving 'spirited' to notice it at all, but when you do, it's seriously impressive. First time I felt it work it's magic I was hauling ass thru a roundabout like Mario Andretti. It's like some sort of magic bringing the rear end of the 6 series barge around like it's a an RS3
    All good!

    Amen to that. Keep your foot on the throttle and turn into it - keeps that heavy rearend planted


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    Quote Originally Posted by Audisthesia View Post
    I need to read more carefully. The sport diff is an interesting animal. You really have to be driving 'spirited' to notice it at all, but when you do, it's seriously impressive. First time I felt it work it's magic I was hauling ass thru a roundabout like Mario Andretti. It's like some sort of magic bringing the rear end of the 6 series barge around like it's a an RS3
    I took an offramp at a higher rate then I normally do and when it kicked in it almost felt unnatural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmation53 View Post
    This is a little review based on both cars. Now i wont say the A6 it's a better car because i have one but i will say it felt more aggressive. So i have the 3.0T supercharged engine. i was going to buy the S6 with the V8TT but after driving both I liked the 3.0 better. I'm might be going crazy but i have owned 3 2.0ts and this is my first big engine for me apart from my Galant 3.8 v6 back when i was 17 lol. To be fair when i accelerated 0-80 on the S6 for some reason i did not like the 7 speed. it was rough and i didn't get that push back in the seat for 450Hp. I was expecting more. now will the S6 be an animal when tuned YES is it faster Obviously. When i drove the 3.0 supercharged with the zf 8 speed the transmission shifter quick AF and didn't feel it. and i got pushed back into my seat more then the S6. with less torque and HP. I might be going crazy so i decided to call my dad. he test drove both of them and said i was right. so i thought that S6 had an issue maybe. we went to drive another one before making my decision. and it was the same thing. I like the 3.0 better. the S6 handled better due to sport suspension. but we are talking about acceleration here. I'm i going crazy? and yes i did go with the A6 instead of the S6 not due to price but due to what i liked better engine wise.
    I think as many before have mentioned, it's really subjective and both have their pros and cons. I believe the A6/A7's have a more linear powerband with the SC and also paired with the tranny make a very excellent car in terms of overall drive ability and responsiveness and experience. The 4.0t's have a more grunt/brute force feeling to them and have a choppier tranny which can make the drive experience a very MEH one if you're not used to the car or invested in one... Just my two cents...

    Also, honestly it also depends on your plans and goals for the car as well...If ECU/TCU tuning is even in the question, then the 4.0t wins hands down. The old statement of "no replacement for displacement" is the reality in these cars. A buddy has a stage 4 APR ultra charger system (ported SC/Intake Manifold), heat exchanger, exhaust, intake, 104APR file, drag wheel setup and a bunch of other mods done and is barely now getting to the same power levels as my basic ass stage 1 S7 with just ECU/TCU tune, exhaust, and intake, lowered on wheels.

    FWIW his best draggy 0-60 was 3.59, and mine is 3.48. I run stretched 245's on 10.5" wide 3pc Work wheels, I also have a baby seat in the car, Wood flooring (now removed*), 12" sub and box, and full spare and tool pack out...So yeah my car isn't close to being setup to race like his...In the end, I think the extra bucks for the s7 and the 4.0t's potential were worth it to me. Esentially $1800 for stage 1 S7 - 590awhp tuned at home, vs his SERVERAL THOUSANDS and HOURS of MOTOR DOWNTIME to go stage 4 A7 and barely get to my power levels...Again up to you and your preference and future plans for the vehicle.

    Also, I'm waiting on I.E's stage 2 tune which will support downpipes and heat exchanger to be released, once that comes I will once again jump in power in comparison to his stage 4, then what's would be next for him? At that point he might as well just sell the car and upgrade

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronsananikone View Post
    I think as many before have mentioned, it's really subjective and both have their pros and cons. I believe the A6/A7's have a more linear powerband with the SC and also paired with the tranny make a very excellent car in terms of overall drive ability and responsiveness and experience. The 4.0t's have a more grunt/brute force feeling to them and have a choppier tranny which can make the drive experience a very MEH one if you're not used to the car or invested in one... Just my two cents...

    Also, honestly it also depends on your plans and goals for the car as well...If ECU/TCU tuning is even in the question, then the 4.0t wins hands down. The old statement of "no replacement for displacement" is the reality in these cars. A buddy has a stage 4 APR ultra charger system (ported SC/Intake Manifold), heat exchanger, exhaust, intake, 104APR file, drag wheel setup and a bunch of other mods done and is barely now getting to the same power levels as my basic ass stage 1 S7 with just ECU/TCU tune, exhaust, and intake, lowered on wheels.

    FWIW his best draggy 0-60 was 3.59, and mine is 3.48. I run stretched 245's on 10.5" wide 3pc Work wheels, I also have a baby seat in the car, Wood flooring (now removed*), 12" sub and box, and full spare and tool pack out...So yeah my car isn't close to being setup to race like his...In the end, I think the extra bucks for the s7 and the 4.0t's potential were worth it to me. Esentially $1800 for stage 1 S7 - 590awhp tuned at home, vs his SERVERAL THOUSANDS and HOURS of MOTOR DOWNTIME to go stage 4 A7 and barely get to my power levels...Again up to you and your preference and future plans for the vehicle.

    Also, I'm waiting on I.E's stage 2 tune which will support downpipes and heat exchanger to be released, once that comes I will once again jump in power in comparison to his stage 4, then what's would be next for him? At that point he might as well just sell the car and upgrade
    While your point remains 100% valid, I think your buddy with the stage 4 3.0T has something wrong with his car. I (and many others) can repeatedly get into the 3.5s 0-60 with just a single pulley 93 octane tune. He must not be doing the whole amax thing correctly
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronsananikone View Post
    I think as many before have mentioned, it's really subjective and both have their pros and cons. I believe the A6/A7's have a more linear powerband with the SC and also paired with the tranny make a very excellent car in terms of overall drive ability and responsiveness and experience. The 4.0t's have a more grunt/brute force feeling to them and have a choppier tranny which can make the drive experience a very MEH one if you're not used to the car or invested in one... Just my two cents...

    Also, honestly it also depends on your plans and goals for the car as well...If ECU/TCU tuning is even in the question, then the 4.0t wins hands down. The old statement of "no replacement for displacement" is the reality in these cars. A buddy has a stage 4 APR ultra charger system (ported SC/Intake Manifold), heat exchanger, exhaust, intake, 104APR file, drag wheel setup and a bunch of other mods done and is barely now getting to the same power levels as my basic ass stage 1 S7 with just ECU/TCU tune, exhaust, and intake, lowered on wheels.

    FWIW his best draggy 0-60 was 3.59, and mine is 3.48. I run stretched 245's on 10.5" wide 3pc Work wheels, I also have a baby seat in the car, Wood flooring (now removed*), 12" sub and box, and full spare and tool pack out...So yeah my car isn't close to being setup to race like his...In the end, I think the extra bucks for the s7 and the 4.0t's potential were worth it to me. Esentially $1800 for stage 1 S7 - 590awhp tuned at home, vs his SERVERAL THOUSANDS and HOURS of MOTOR DOWNTIME to go stage 4 A7 and barely get to my power levels...Again up to you and your preference and future plans for the vehicle.

    Also, I'm waiting on I.E's stage 2 tune which will support downpipes and heat exchanger to be released, once that comes I will once again jump in power in comparison to his stage 4, then what's would be next for him? At that point he might as well just sell the car and upgrade
    Hmm stage 4 on a 3.0t? Very interesting indeed. I have stage 2+ on my a6, would love to do some pulls against your stage 1 s6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Horning View Post
    Hmm stage 4 on a 3.0t? Very interesting indeed. I have stage 2+ on my a6, would love to do some pulls against your stage 1 s6
    I would like a viewing of the video.

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    Audi A6 C7 Vs Audi S6 C7 review

    For anyone in the know, comparing 0-60 times is not all that impressive and should not be the barometer for power or how fast your car is; too many variables to meaningfully compare.

    If you don’t get the kick back in your seat experience from an S6/7, than you didn’t use launch control or you did something wrong… I have had both A6 CREC and an S7 currently, and minus from a dead stop, it’s noticeably faster all all around (comparing stock).


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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchMeSpend View Post
    I would like a viewing of the video.
    Same here. I've never ran against a stage 1 s6 but would be willing to give it a try I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Horning View Post
    Same here. I've never ran against a stage 1 s6 but would be willing to give it a try I suppose.
    If I get to the track, I'll do it. No E85 here so the best you are going to get is 93. Only ever saw one S6 at the track and he seemed to be stuck in the mid-high 12s, but didn't seem to know how to launch. It ran a 12.2 as it's final pass. I couldn't tell if it was tuned with a poor driver or what.
    600ft above sea level.

    On the streets, maybe I'd see ten RS7s a year. Almost never an S6, maybe one every year and about two to three S7s per year. Not really any A6s, more A7s on a 1:4 ratio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Horning View Post
    Same here. I've never ran against a stage 1 s6 but would be willing to give it a try I suppose.
    There are a few peeps in the forum that have a stage 4, and they are in the 11.4 1/4mile range. Based on the thread with that info, sounds like fueling on the CREC is the limitation when doing all these upgrades, especially with E85 (along with the SC clutches).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Horning View Post
    Same here. I've never ran against a stage 1 s6 but would be willing to give it a try I suppose.
    Come Shane, you know you have :)

    I have :), Yea your buddys car has something wrong with it LOL, APR JK. I did a draggy and SPUN all of 1st and still pulled a 3.36, should be sub 3. Also walked a DME tuned C63 from a 30 roll, and Trackhawk from a dig and 20 roll. On the S6/7 STG2 might be different but my buddy wont run me LOL, STG DS1 S6
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMarkey View Post
    There are a few peeps in the forum that have a stage 4, and they are in the 11.4 1/4mile range. Based on the thread with that info, sounds like fueling on the CREC is the limitation when doing all these upgrades, especially with E85 (along with the SC clutches).

    Basically, a stage 4 CREC is just unable to fully utilize the upgrades, so power output and times make sense being close to a stage 1 S7/S6


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    Quote Originally Posted by ANMS4 View Post
    There are A6's in the 10's :)
    Sounds like you may be one of those owners…

    Based on your sig, are we talking CREC engines or previous engine version? OP is asking about CREC MY A6’s


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    :) Previous, 2014 NonCREC. The CREC should be fast since they can run full E85, I can't! E45-E50 max
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANMS4 View Post
    :) Previous, 2014 NonCREC. The CREC should be fast since they can run full E85, I can't! E45-E50 max
    Based on the thread I was mentioning - ‘quest for a 10sec CREC build’ - they cannot run full E85. Fueling limitations (potentially have to upgrade the port injection) as well as SC clutch slippage (well known issue)


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    Quote Originally Posted by ANMS4 View Post
    Come Shane, you know you have :)

    I have :), Yea your buddys car has something wrong with it LOL, APR JK. I did a draggy and SPUN all of 1st and still pulled a 3.36, should be sub 3. Also walked a DME tuned C63 from a 30 roll, and Trackhawk from a dig and 20 roll. On the S6/7 STG2 might be different but my buddy wont run me LOL, STG DS1 S6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Horning View Post
    Hmm stage 4 on a 3.0t? Very interesting indeed. I have stage 2+ on my a6, would love to do some pulls against your stage 1 s6
    I'm located in Socal, and am always up for meeting up with other Audi owners. I actually have plans to meet my buddy with the stage 4 A7 to get some runs in once both cars are buttoned up. I have a s7 btw not s6.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2k16A6 View Post
    While your point remains 100% valid, I think your buddy with the stage 4 3.0T has something wrong with his car. I (and many others) can repeatedly get into the 3.5s 0-60 with just a single pulley 93 octane tune. He must not be doing the whole amax thing correctly
    Could be very possible. He literally just got his car back this week, so maybe he's still taking it easy and breaking everything in/not using AMAX...IDK as mentioned, we haven't had a chance to meet up yet or really talk in person, just through text and video clips/images he has sent me via said text. I honestly wouldn't doubt if he is able to beat me, he's definitely more setup for racing.

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMarkey View Post
    For anyone in the know, comparing 0-60 times is not all that impressive and should not be the barometer for power or how fast your car is; too many variables to meaningfully compare.

    If you don’t get the kick back in your seat experience from an S6/7, than you didn’t use launch control or you did something wrong… I have had both A6 CREC and an S7 currently, and minus from a dead stop, it’s noticeably faster all all around (comparing stock).

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    Absolutely agree, there are way too many variables in comparing 0-60's. I only used this because it is the only data point we share. We both live in the same general area of Socal, so we share similarities in run conditions, and honestly we don't have many roads straight and long enough without HEAVY traffic for us to do actual 1/4 runs unless its at night. As far as the S7 being noticeably faster, I agree as I have an S7 as well and stock for stock it was WAY more aggressive and puts you in the seat for sure...I was only stating that the linear aspect of the 3.0t along with the tranny can make it "seem" faster because it "feels" more responsive which allows the mental drive experience to go up, especially on city streets when you would be constantly on and off the gas. As mentioned I feel the 4.0t is more brute force in comparison to the 3.0t being more smooth and responsive.

    Quote Originally Posted by WatchMeSpend View Post
    If I get to the track, I'll do it. No E85 here so the best you are going to get is 93. Only ever saw one S6 at the track and he seemed to be stuck in the mid-high 12s, but didn't seem to know how to launch. It ran a 12.2 as it's final pass. I couldn't tell if it was tuned with a poor driver or what.
    600ft above sea level.

    On the streets, maybe I'd see ten RS7s a year. Almost never an S6, maybe one every year and about two to three S7s per year. Not really any A6s, more A7s on a 1:4 ratio.
    This is one of the reasons I chose the s7 over the a7 as well. The pure rarity aspect, I live in Socal which is a HUGE car market, and I've only seen maybe 5 S7's since my purchase in late 2019. That factor along with the factory air ride (Lowering links and slambox*), interior quality (Carbon package, quilted seats), v8tt motor (tuneability*) all things which to me were selling points...But again to each their own as far as what is important or not and what checks boxes on their lists...

    Quote Originally Posted by ANMS4 View Post
    There are A6's in the 10's :)
    There are also stage 1 S6's running same tune as me going 10's...Eli from FCP Euro/ignitiontube ran 10's on his stage 1 s6 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf4kpUB_YzU

    I don't have any videos for you guys just yet, my car is semi down but is still drive-able, but definitely isn't in condition to run anything at the moment. My driveshaft carrier went out so I'm getting a nasty vibration under full boost load, so I will be going JXB shortly. Just need to find the time to install it. Tough when you work from home and have a 1yr old...After I do get in installed though I plan to meet up and get some runs in with my buddy with the A7. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if his car beats mine, as mentioned he has several thousands of dollars and man hours invested into his car, where as I just did I.E stage 1 e85 tune at home. Plus my car and wheel setup is more for show not so much racing (I run an aggressive stretch/wheel fitment = 20x10.75 et19 245/30r20).

    Also, you'll also have to excuse my lack of knowledge with the 3.0t motor in terms of upgrades, I'm not sure if you would call his a stage 4 or a 3+ or ???...I guess I assumed it would be called/considered a stage 4, apologies If I'm incorrect on that part.

    All in all, I think you guys missed my take-away which was that I never once questioned the capability of the a6/a7 3.0t there was never any doubt or question of its ability to produce power or numbers, and as mentioned 0-60 is a subjective point to base facts on due to the amount of variables involved... I guess I was just merely stating that the 4.0t benefits much more from tuning and can produce much more power with a small investment in comparison than what is required to make the same numbers/produce the same power on the 3.0t motor...

    Hopefully I'll have some videos for you guys in a Youtube video once I get to meet up with the my buddy with the A7. Cheers everyone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronsananikone View Post
    I'm located in Socal, and am always up for meeting up with other Audi owners. I actually have plans to meet my buddy with the stage 4 A7 to get some runs in once both cars are buttoned up. I have a s7 btw not s6.



    Could be very possible. He literally just got his car back this week, so maybe he's still taking it easy and breaking everything in/not using AMAX...IDK as mentioned, we haven't had a chance to meet up yet or really talk in person, just through text and video clips/images he has sent me via said text. I honestly wouldn't doubt if he is able to beat me, he's definitely more setup for racing.



    Absolutely agree, there are way too many variables in comparing 0-60's. I only used this because it is the only data point we share. We both live in the same general area of Socal, so we share similarities in run conditions, and honestly we don't have many roads straight and long enough without HEAVY traffic for us to do actual 1/4 runs unless its at night. As far as the S7 being noticeably faster, I agree as I have an S7 as well and stock for stock it was WAY more aggressive and puts you in the seat for sure...I was only stating that the linear aspect of the 3.0t along with the tranny can make it "seem" faster because it "feels" more responsive which allows the mental drive experience to go up, especially on city streets when you would be constantly on and off the gas. As mentioned I feel the 4.0t is more brute force in comparison to the 3.0t being more smooth and responsive.



    This is one of the reasons I chose the s7 over the a7 as well. The pure rarity aspect, I live in Socal which is a HUGE car market, and I've only seen maybe 5 S7's since my purchase in late 2019. That factor along with the factory air ride (Lowering links and slambox*), interior quality (Carbon package, quilted seats), v8tt motor (tuneability*) all things which to me were selling points...But again to each their own as far as what is important or not and what checks boxes on their lists...



    There are also stage 1 S6's running same tune as me going 10's...Eli from FCP Euro/ignitiontube ran 10's on his stage 1 s6 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf4kpUB_YzU

    I don't have any videos for you guys just yet, my car is semi down but is still drive-able, but definitely isn't in condition to run anything at the moment. My driveshaft carrier went out so I'm getting a nasty vibration under full boost load, so I will be going JXB shortly. Just need to find the time to install it. Tough when you work from home and have a 1yr old...After I do get in installed though I plan to meet up and get some runs in with my buddy with the A7. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if his car beats mine, as mentioned he has several thousands of dollars and man hours invested into his car, where as I just did I.E stage 1 e85 tune at home. Plus my car and wheel setup is more for show not so much racing (I run an aggressive stretch/wheel fitment = 20x10.75 et19 245/30r20).

    Also, you'll also have to excuse my lack of knowledge with the 3.0t motor in terms of upgrades, I'm not sure if you would call his a stage 4 or a 3+ or ???...I guess I assumed it would be called/considered a stage 4, apologies If I'm incorrect on that part.

    All in all, I think you guys missed my take-away which was that I never once questioned the capability of the a6/a7 3.0t there was never any doubt or question of its ability to produce power or numbers, and as mentioned 0-60 is a subjective point to base facts on due to the amount of variables involved... I guess I was just merely stating that the 4.0t benefits much more from tuning and can produce much more power with a small investment in comparison than what is required to make the same numbers/produce the same power on the 3.0t motor...

    Hopefully I'll have some videos for you guys in a Youtube video once I get to meet up with the my buddy with the A7. Cheers everyone!
    There are also stage 1 S6's running same tune as me going 10's...Eli from FCP Euro/ignitiontube ran 10's on his stage 1 s6 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf4kpUB_YzU

    This I know lol he and I know the same people, and I knew about him blowing an axle before he posted it ;).. he ran it with drag tires. Not saying it’s not a 10 sec run but people should say they have a XX second car when running race gas, no interior or drag radials! Just IMO you should drag it the way to daily drive it ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANMS4 View Post
    There are also stage 1 S6's running same tune as me going 10's...Eli from FCP Euro/ignitiontube ran 10's on his stage 1 s6 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf4kpUB_YzU

    This I know lol he and I know the same people, and I knew about him blowing an axle before he posted it ;).. he ran it with drag tires. Not saying it’s not a 10 sec run but people should say they have a XX second car when running race gas, no interior or drag radials! Just IMO you should drag it the way to daily drive it ;)

    Have to agree with you 1,000% on the run it how you daily it....Good point though, didn't consider the variables and didn't know he ran it with drag tires and also didn't consider other things like gutted interior/spare tire/octane etc... I guess the power of video editing makes it look like he's on his street wheels/tire setup w/ full interior the entire time and just running his usual E85...definitely fooled me LOL!

    EDIT: I just re-watched it and realized he mentions running drags in the very beginning...oops my fault LOL!...Either way though, $1,800 for the tune plus some tires to run "10's"...you can't beat that!

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