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    B9/.5 RS5 or G80 M3?

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    Hey! So I am actually selling my 2018 Audi S5 and will be carless for the next 3-4 months.

    So I wanted to see what you all think.

    B9/.5 RS5 or G80 M3/M4 ?

    I love Audi and its an amazing car. I would love to have the RS5. The all around experience is just what you would want. I want to upgrade to the RS6 but trying to be smart with my money for now. Only 23 still haha.

    But on the other hand, I do want to try something new and even thought the front is controversial. Seeing it in person, It is beginning to really grow on me and with the right parts. It can be sick also. The other part is that it is Manual. Which is a huge plus for me.

    Look forward to the replies :)

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    i had a 2016 S5 (6 speed) and went with a 2021 RS5 coupe, i do miss the six speed, however I love the RS5, I am 57 years old so i am at the point i wanted a daily driver, with some comfort and did not need the seat of my pants type of car for a daily. I cant get over the front of the BMW , honestly. I am very happy with the fit, build and performance of the RS5 it checked the boxes for me at this point.

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    Depends on what you want. From my previous experiences with M3s, the RS 5 is a much better daily driver with the added benefit of looking better too. If you want a track car then go for the M3. If you want an all around daily driver that can also carry a lot of stuff then go for the RS 5.

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    I’m a long time audi lover and have B9 S4 st2. Have friend who drive B9 RS5 and other just got the M3 comp Xdrive. Both r amazing car but I take M3 over anything. New M3 is lots of car for the money. RS5 is lots of money for the car. That’s what we think. Me and other two who owns them.

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    I have been a long time Audi guy but I said if they ever add AWD to the M3 living in the midwest I would give it a try. I have a 22 xdrive comp on order to arrive in January. I'll try something new, if I don't like it, I'll sell it and get another Audi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkowalewski View Post
    Hey! So I am actually selling my 2018 Audi S5 and will be carless for the next 3-4 months.

    So I wanted to see what you all think.

    B9/.5 RS5 or G80 M3/M4 ?

    I love Audi and its an amazing car. I would love to have the RS5. The all around experience is just what you would want. I want to upgrade to the RS6 but trying to be smart with my money for now. Only 23 still haha.

    But on the other hand, I do want to try something new and even thought the front is controversial. Seeing it in person, It is beginning to really grow on me and with the right parts. It can be sick also. The other part is that it is Manual. Which is a huge plus for me.

    Look forward to the replies :)
    If you like the looks of the M3, and are curious, then try it. However the manual is only available in rear wheel drive configuration, and this car has WAY too much power and torque to effectively put the power down without AWD. In fact the reason the M cars changed to AWD to begin with is that is was simply too much power to effectively get to the ground with RWD alone. And the RS6 isn't necessarily an "upgrade". It is a much larger and differently suited car. It will drive big and this may or not be an appealing thing for you. I have an 2022 RS5 on order and the only reason I didn't go for the 6 or 7 was specifically due to their size. Too big for my tastes. My wife just got an S4 last year and it feels just right sizewise. I do wish I could get an Alcantara headliner and the upgraded B&O sound system in the RS5 though.
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    Have not test drove the new g80 yet. However I believer they’re using a new automatic transmission to make it more “comfortable” for daily driving. I did get to sit in one, and I have to admit the interior + sport seats is a huge upgrade and is nicer than the Audi.

    If you don’t plan to track or race the car in any way and just want to buy a “nice sports car” both of these will do it. Yeah the new M cars can’t put their power down but ask yourself how often will you actually be flooring it. To my surprise after watching carwow lining up the g80 and the b9 rs5, the g80 RWd actually kept up and beat the rs5 in the quarter from a start. They really fixed the launch control issue the f80 had.

    Audi in my opinion does have a more sophisticated status vs M cars in my opinion. Another thing to keep in mind is if you want to mod. The g80 will have endless amounts of mod/aftermarket parts for the next 5+ years. I have a b9 rs5 and there’s not much of a market for mods compared to an M car. Most people buying rs5 like the car as is whereas most people buy aftermarket’s parts for the M car before they even get the car.

    Also something to consider is depreciation/value if you plan to finance/buyout the car.. The m3 will definitely hold more value since I believe more people are wanting those cars since it’s a “bimmer” and a lot of people just know what a m3/4 is. On the flip side, most average people don’t even know about the RS5. Countless times I’ve had people saying I have a nice “s5” when really it’s the RS5.

    Lastly, every generation bmw has had some flaw off the factory. E90 has rod bearing, f80 had crank hub. Both are $$$$ jobs and even more $$ if you don’t don’t do it prematurely. Something to think about weather or not BMW perfected the g80

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToroTheShibe View Post
    Lastly, every generation bmw has had some flaw off the factory. E90 has rod bearing, f80 had crank hub. Both are $$$$ jobs and even more $$ if you don’t don’t do it prematurely. Something to think about weather or not BMW perfected the g80
    There's a stop sale order on the M3 and M4 and likely recall on the horizon for bad main bearing shells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToroTheShibe View Post
    Have not test drove the new g80 yet. However I believer they’re using a new automatic transmission to make it more “comfortable” for daily driving. I did get to sit in one, and I have to admit the interior + sport seats is a huge upgrade and is nicer than the Audi.

    If you don’t plan to track or race the car in any way and just want to buy a “nice sports car” both of these will do it. Yeah the new M cars can’t put their power down but ask yourself how often will you actually be flooring it. To my surprise after watching carwow lining up the g80 and the b9 rs5, the g80 RWd actually kept up and beat the rs5 in the quarter from a start. They really fixed the launch control issue the f80 had.

    Audi in my opinion does have a more sophisticated status vs M cars in my opinion. Another thing to keep in mind is if you want to mod. The g80 will have endless amounts of mod/aftermarket parts for the next 5+ years. I have a b9 rs5 and there’s not much of a market for mods compared to an M car. Most people buying rs5 like the car as is whereas most people buy aftermarket’s parts for the M car before they even get the car.

    Also something to consider is depreciation/value if you plan to finance/buyout the car.. The m3 will definitely hold more value since I believe more people are wanting those cars since it’s a “bimmer” and a lot of people just know what a m3/4 is. On the flip side, most average people don’t even know about the RS5. Countless times I’ve had people saying I have a nice “s5” when really it’s the RS5.

    Lastly, every generation bmw has had some flaw off the factory. E90 has rod bearing, f80 had crank hub. Both are $$$$ jobs and even more $$ if you don’t don’t do it prematurely. Something to think about weather or not BMW perfected the g80
    This is a significant factor in daily driving. Even with modest throttle input, the traction mechanisms will kick in all the time. And when it is wet...game over. In fact, flooring these cars in like the 0-80 range is what makes them so enjoyable even as daily drivers. I would only buy these cars with AWD, but the OP mentioned a manual, which can only be had with RWD. I had an e92 M3 with a manual, and that car with a normally aspirated motor and a more modest, linear and progressive power band was much more suited for RWD. Even then, it was a bit scary in the wet and with the traction mechanisms off.

    On the other hand, in my Porsche Spyder, with a mid-engine configuration, and a progressive, normally aspirated power band, the car just grips and goes. High torque turbo motors really need AWD. I have my order in now for a 2022 RS5 Sportback. Unless you really want to heavily mod, there are enough aftermarket options that have already been well established for this platform. The RS5 will also still more much more rare than an M3/4. But in the end, you can't go wrong with any of these cars, and it all just comes down to personal preference. I find the RS5 to simply be one of the best looking 4-door car cars available, and for winter driving, nothing can match the level of grip and confidence you have with the Audi Quattro system
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    If Audi somehow botches my 22 RS5 Sportback order, I will get a G80 xDrive (beaver teeth and all). To be perfectly honest, the only thing that is keeping me from pulling the trigger on one now is the huge delta in how much more I like the RS5 looks. It was the same issue when I went from the S5 Sportback to the M340i (and that didn't even have the massive grills).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burrcold View Post
    If Audi somehow botches my 22 RS5 Sportback order, I will get a G80 xDrive (beaver teeth and all). To be perfectly honest, the only thing that is keeping me from pulling the trigger on one now is the huge delta in how much more I like the RS5 looks. It was the same issue when I went from the S5 Sportback to the M340i (and that didn't even have the massive grills).
    Same here. The RS5 Sportback is gorgeous. The new M3/4 look hideous to me. Another factor for me, however, is that after 11 Audis, I also have a relationship with my Audi dealer that makes the ownership experience too good to pass on. X-drive is also nowhere near as good in snow as Quattro, and this car will be my daily driver in New England. But you really can't go wrong.
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    I saw a Nardo Gray (or something remarkably similar) M4 with the Beaver Teeth in a parking lot the other day, and other than the disturbing frontal view, I actually thought the car was sort of attractive. It looked like an angular, other-worldly version of a B9 RS5.
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    I think it boils down to this question: if you are only considering the 4 door models, do you want a more raw driver's experience, or more practicality?

    0-60, qtr miles, etc. don't mean much in day-to-day driving, the BMW M3 is set up to be sportier/more raw while the Audi RS5 (being FWD based architecture w/shorter V6 and sportback body) has a massive leg up in terms of cargo space (M3 13ft³ vs RS5 21.8 ft³, 35 ft³ with seat area down).

    Of course, none of that applies if comparing M4 vs RS5 coupe... but for the 4 door models, I think the M3 is a better weekend car and the RS5 sportback is a better daily.
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    Drive both.... imo the M3 is more of a connected and raw drivers car. The RS5 is more polished and smoother. I cant stand the front on the M3 myself. Imo the RS5 Sportback might be one of the best looking cars on the road.... for that reason alone the Bimmer would be out for me.
    The M3 is a faster car too. Ive seen a few early Youtube videos with the Xdrive models doing 2.9 to 60.
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    Some of it is how fast are you as a driver? The M is going to have a higher capacity for a driver. It doesn’t matter if the driver can’t/isn’t the type to push the car in the first place. For most people the RS5 is going to be more car than they can/are willing to really push. Keep that in mind when you look at all these “times” and things of that nature.

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    Here you go. Right on time.


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    It's no surprise that the M3 Comp xDrive won (by a lot). Heck even the rwd M3 Comp is faster.
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    I mean yeah, everyone knows the new M3 is really fast. If you’re primarily concerned with 0-60 times then that’s the car to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord XL View Post
    Here you go. Right on time.

    So its pronounced "ABT" and not A-B-T. Learn something new everyday

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToroTheShibe View Post
    So its pronounced "ABT"
    Gesunheit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToroTheShibe View Post
    So its pronounced "ABT" and not A-B-T. Learn something new everyday
    It’s the founder’s surname. It comes from the clerical title “abbot”.

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    Since when has Audi ever been faster than BMW for the comparable model? BMW has always been slightly more pure performance oriented.

    Audi leans slightly more towards comfort, practicality and better winter capability. X-drive will still not equal the performance of Quattro in slippery conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnEnglish View Post
    I mean yeah, everyone knows the new M3 is really fast. If you’re primarily concerned with 0-60 times then that’s the car to get.
    well...
    and twisties, and braking. Is there a stat in favour of he RS5? The grill is nicer in the RS5 IMO

    Maybe not a great daily driver compared to the RS5
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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyH View Post
    well...
    and twisties, and braking. Is there a stat in favour of he RS5? The grill is nicer in the RS5 IMO

    Maybe not a great daily driver compared to the RS5
    The RS5 is softer as a daily driver, but that's about all it has over the M3 (and the looks in my opinion). However, those are two super important things to me which is why I'm still getting the RS5 over the M3 xDrive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyH View Post
    well...
    and twisties, and braking. Is there a stat in favour of he RS5? The grill is nicer in the RS5 IMO

    Maybe not a great daily driver compared to the RS5
    Being a good daily driver is incredibly important to me as are looks. My cars never see a track or a drag strip. Maybe I'll take an on ramp a bit faster than than the recommended speed but that's about it. Yes the BMW has better performance numbers but it's just bench racing. I'll take the car that's better for everyday use and looks better in my opinion. If I got a fantastic deal on a M3 I'd go for it but everything else being equal, I'd take the RS5 again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VVG View Post
    Since when has Audi ever been faster than BMW for the comparable model?
    Since the B9 RS5 came out about 5 years ago. Mine easily beats the last generation M4 Competition on the street.

    I would also add that the RS3 has been faster than the M2 for a long time as well, and the new RS3 just beat the best time for the current M2 CS at Nurburgring (per Quattro magazine Q4_2021, p.18).

    And, if you want to consider racing, Audi has won the DTM series 10 out of the last 20 years and BMW has won 3 times:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsc...nwagen_Masters
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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyH View Post
    well...
    and twisties, and braking. Is there a stat in favour of he RS5? The grill is nicer in the RS5 IMO

    Maybe not a great daily driver compared to the RS5
    Watch this Moose Test to illustrate how good the new M car behaves as a daily driver (max speed was 76 kph):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uotjzSoJc9g

    I could not find a similar test for the RS5, but here is an A5 (max speed was 82 kph):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShabL8eXLoM
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnEnglish View Post
    Being a good daily driver is incredibly important to me as are looks. My cars never see a track or a drag strip. Maybe I'll take an on ramp a bit faster than than the recommended speed but that's about it. Yes the BMW has better performance numbers but it's just bench racing. I'll take the car that's better for everyday use and looks better in my opinion. If I got a fantastic deal on a M3 I'd go for it but everything else being equal, I'd take the RS5 again.
    Regarding performance numbers, I agree!

    I would add that few drivers can take full advantage of what any of these cars have to offer, and that is especially true of the M cars. It's easy to kick out the rear end but so what? It's much harder to harness and control that power in an M car than an RS. I'm sure there are plenty of good M drivers out there, but I have yet to encounter one at an HPDE that could keep up with my RS5 in an M3 or M5. Sure, it's possible for an M car to beat an RS car on the track, but not for the typical driver.

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    G80 twins are fugly, so styling alone rules them out. Lol.

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    Other than the grill, the new M3/M4 is beautiful. I just couldn’t get past the damn grill. If you’re into it or don’t mind it, go for it! I’m not sure the interior will be on par with Audi thought. With all that said, have you ever dipped a toe in the Porsche pool?
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    Quote Originally Posted by krazyk86cu View Post
    Other than the grill, the new M3/M4 is beautiful. I just couldn’t get past the damn grill. If you’re into it or don’t mind it, go for it! I’m not sure the interior will be on par with Audi thought. With all that said, have you ever dipped a toe in the Porsche pool?
    Grill looks better in person, especially if you decide to get dark color. However, the RS5 still looks better and cleaner even tho newer RS cars are coming with a lot of fake vents. However, I actually think the g80 m3/m4 interior is superior to my B9 RS5. Not sure about the b9.5 but in my b9 rs5 MMI, the display is a virtual A5, whereas, you get a nice virtual M3/4 car greeting you in the g80.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToroTheShibe View Post
    Grill looks better in person, especially if you decide to get dark color. However, the RS5 still looks better and cleaner even tho newer RS cars are coming with a lot of fake vents. However, I actually think the g80 m3/m4 interior is superior to my B9 RS5. Not sure about the b9.5 but in my b9 rs5 MMI, the display is a virtual A5, whereas, you get a nice virtual M3/4 car greeting you in the g80.
    What do you mean by "virtual A5"? Does your MMI say A5, are you referring to the vehicle image, or something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan99 View Post
    What do you mean by "virtual A5"? Does your MMI say A5, are you referring to the vehicle image, or something else?
    When you start up the car, and in the Vehicle menu, the image shown on the MMI screen is an A5 regardless of whether the car is an A5, S5, or RS5. You can tell by the front bumper and grille. BMW shows the correct trim of vehicle on their infotainment system.

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    Anyone went from a b8/.5 RS5 to a b9. I would be interested in ownership differences. Anyone ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandros View Post
    Anyone went from a b8/.5 RS5 to a b9. I would be interested in ownership differences. Anyone ?
    The magazine reviews addressed this when the B9 first came out. You might want to look up some of the reviews around that time. My recollection is:

    - B9 has more torque and is faster (1/4 mile: 11.9 vs 12.9), but those who have driven both miss the more visceral feel of the B8/8.5 engine.

    - The B9 suspension provides a much broader range from soft to firm, making the B9 a better daily driver while also providing better overall handling.

    - The B9 does not understeer like the earlier models.

    - People like the ZF transmission in the B9 but, personally, I prefer the DSG in earlier models.

    - If you want 4 doors on an RS5, it's only available in the B9.

    While I did not have a B8.5 RS5 I did have B8 and B8.5 S4s. The B9 is a substantial upgrade over the B8/8.5 in terms of interior and technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandros View Post
    Anyone went from a b8/.5 RS5 to a b9. I would be interested in ownership differences. Anyone ?
    Ran across this today. It is a video about the B9.5 RS5 but they provide some comparisons with the B8/8.5 RS5.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mntlTYn8cQ

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    Dan99, thanks for all the info. Much appreciated. A lot has been written about specs and performance comparison, I was more interested in the experience of an actual but rare owner(s) who may have owned the early one for a few years and now owns a B9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandros View Post
    Anyone went from a b8/.5 RS5 to a b9. I would be interested in ownership differences. Anyone ?
    Can't believe there are still Audi people out there who haven't seen this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kf-2D1vge8

    cliffs: they like the B9 but LOOOOVE the B8. The B8 has some special titanium exhaust on it though.

    Personally, I'm just a turbo kind of guy. Yes the B8 sounds amazing, but it actually feels slow to me. The engine note novelty does wear off eventually- but still a great car, especially if you can get a decent one in the $30-35k range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan99 View Post
    Since the B9 RS5 came out about 5 years ago. Mine easily beats the last generation M4 Competition on the street.

    I would also add that the RS3 has been faster than the M2 for a long time as well, and the new RS3 just beat the best time for the current M2 CS at Nurburgring (per Quattro magazine Q4_2021, p.18).

    And, if you want to consider racing, Audi has won the DTM series 10 out of the last 20 years and BMW has won 3 times:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsc...nwagen_Masters
    Define "beats". If you mean stop light drags, then most definitely but that was always the case. For a given generation, however, the M3/4 has always had a more performance oriented suspension, slightly tighter steering and just a more aggressive feel. I went from a B7 RS4 to an e92 M3, back in the day when both had V8 motors with comparable power. The RS4 would just grip and go. The M3 took a lot more work, however, under the right conditions, it just felt better than the RS4 from a pure performance standpoint. However, if the road conditions were any less than ideal, forget it. The RWD M3 was toast. But honestly, these are fine lines here. I already have a hard core pure toy car so I am looking for something slightly softer in my daily driver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackout View Post
    Can't believe there are still Audi people out there who haven't seen this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kf-2D1vge8

    cliffs: they like the B9 but LOOOOVE the B8. The B8 has some special titanium exhaust on it though.

    Personally, I'm just a turbo kind of guy. Yes the B8 sounds amazing, but it actually feels slow to me. The engine note novelty does wear off eventually- but still a great car, especially if you can get a decent one in the $30-35k range.
    Read my post! I was looking for ownership experience (people who have owned a B8 for a few years and a B9 for a year or two. We have enough comparisons on line; that was not what I was looking for!
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