2.0T power limitations

[cole7]

Does anyone happen to know the power limits for stock internals on a 2010 2.0t?

[CzechInside]

Does anyone happen to know the power limits for stock internals on a 2010 2.0t?

I have a 2010 2.0T and just went K04. In reading and doing research prior, from what I gathered from forums as well as reaching out to shops and APR, anything bigger than a K04 and north of 400+hp upgraded internals are strongly recommended. I'm sure others on here have exact numbers and could provide a more detailed response or possibly personal experience.

[silver_tt]

The 2.0T can’t take down anywhere near 400 horses without risk… that is laughable

[bb-tt]

The 2.0T can’t take down anywhere near 400 horses without risk… that is laughable

Hp doesn't break engines torque does.

[silver_tt]

Not correct…. I have seen it first hand. You can “break” an engine in so many ways… blowing out seals, whatever else you can imagine.

[Spawne32]

Not correct…. I have seen it first hand. You can “break” an engine in so many ways… blowing out seals, whatever else you can imagine.

You know who you are talking to, right?

[silver_tt]

I could be talking to God and the answer would still be the same

[Allowencer]

Somewhere around 34-35PSI of boost on all 2.0L VW engines, the cylinder walls start to oval. The webbing is unable to support it. If you intend on running that much boost or equivalent cylinder pressure, you must sleeve the walls.

Under healthy conditions, I don't believe there has been 1 crank issue. Upgraded rods would be highly encouraged at high levels to support the added forces as OE rods are batch manufactured and inherently have a variation in flaws. This seconds to the pistons too.

More specifically on pistons, the higher the cylinder pressure, the higher chances OE rinsg will not last. When replacing rings, you need to match them to the correct piston which is what leads to go that route anyways.

This is builds into 400HP and beyond.

K04 and bolt on stuff has been known to not be an issue.

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[Perry01]

The 2.0T can’t take down anywhere near 400 horses without risk… that is laughable

That’s a bold statement. I guess it depends on your definition of “risk.” My 2.0T Gen 2 and Gen 3 motors each have produced over 400 HP to the crank and I’ve driven them for years with no problems at all.

[MiCasa_2Casa]

As with anything, the first answer should have specified WHP vs BHP.. (Same goes with TQ #s of course).

[silver_tt]

That’s a bold statement. I guess it depends on your definition of “risk.” My 2.0T Gen 2 and Gen 3 motors each have produced over 400 HP to the crank and I’ve driven them for years with no problems at all.

If Audi could have just strapped on some stuff and called it a day, they could have sold you a 400HP car for way more money. But they know that they can’t…..

[Spawne32]

If Audi could have just strapped on some stuff and called it a day, they could have sold you a 400HP car for way more money. But they know that they can’t…..

Flawless logic.

[flowhigh]

If Audi could have just strapped on some stuff and called it a day, they could have sold you a 400HP car for way more money. But they know that they can’t…..

They do and it's called the R series.

With manufacturers dealing in cost, efficiency, epa and things like marketability as well as sales...their goals aren't the same as the end user focusing on performance while maintaining every day driving.

Off the shelf tune companies like APR keep safety as a priority and still achieve leaps and bounds over the stock platforms.

....Are you even tuned?

[silver_tt]

They do and it's called the R series.

With manufacturers dealing in cost, efficiency, epa and things like marketability as well as sales...their goals aren't the same as the end user focusing on performance while maintaining every day driving.

Off the shelf tune companies like APR keep safety as a priority and still achieve leaps and bounds over the stock platforms.

....Are you even tuned?

I ran tunes on a Mezger 911TT…an engine that can actually take down more power. I would never tune a 2.0T. This car is never going to be fast sorry to break it to you….

[Spawne32]

I ran tunes on a Mezger 911TT…an engine that can actually take down more power. I would never tune a 2.0T. This car is never going to be fast sorry to break it to you….

Then why are you here?

[silver_tt]

Then why are you here?

I get a kick out of people like you. You say this car and Audi are complete trash but then you think you can run 400 horses on it no problem. You’re definitely not the type of person I would take any advice from, that’s for sure….

[flowhigh]

Then why are you here?

...Seriously.

[Perry01]

I would never tune a 2.0T. This car is never going to be fast sorry to break it to you….

What do you consider fast? There are some 2.0T cars that are pretty quick.

[Spawne32]

I get a kick out of people like you. You say this car and Audi are complete trash but then you think you can run 400 horses on it no problem. You’re definitely not the type of person I would take any advice from, that’s for sure….

They are trash in my opinion. Over engineered to break. Doesn't make it impossible to make 400hp on one of these motors, seeing as how its already been done dozens and dozens of times. You are suggesting something to people while having literally zero experience, and you openly admit that. If you want to talk about people not to take advice from, you are that person. He is asking how to make reliable power on his car, let the people who have done it already speak. Like BB and perry.

[silver_tt]

What do you consider fast? There are some 2.0T cars that are pretty quick.

The 2.0T is cast iron, which is very heavy. Most modern engines that are designed to go fast are aluminum or a hypereutectic material like Alusil. I’m not trying to be a jerk or a hater, just pointing out that there is no way in hell a 400 HP 2.0T could come anywhere near being competitive with a 450 HP Mezger, for example, despite only being 50 HP less.

[silver_tt]

They are trash in my opinion. Over engineered to break. Doesn't make it impossible to make 400hp on one of these motors, seeing as how its already been done dozens and dozens of times. You are suggesting something to people while having literally zero experience, and you openly admit that. If you want to talk about people not to take advice from, you are that person. He is asking how to make reliable power on his car, let the people who have done it already speak. Like BB and perry.

Speaking of “flawless logic” you have literally fallen for one of the most classic examples of failed logic, the black swan paradox. Just because two people did something and you haven’t seen a blown 2.0T engine from being overboosted doesn’t mean it’s impossible and without risk. I don’t know what you do for a living but half the shit you say doesn’t add up to making any sense, so we can leave it at that……..

[flowhigh]

The 2.0T is cast iron, which is very heavy. Most modern engines that are designed to go fast are aluminum or a hypereutectic material like Alusil. I’m not trying to be a jerk or a hater, just pointing out that there is no way in hell a 400 HP 2.0T could come anywhere near being competitive with a 450 HP Mezger, for example, despite only being 50 HP less.

Isn't that a boxter engine built in the late sixties and had only 170 hp. Why would you even compare?

[silver_tt]

Isn't that a boxter engine built in the late sixties and had only 170 hp. Why would you even compare?

I literally don’t have a single clue what in the hell you’re talking about

[Spawne32]

Speaking of “flawless logic” you have literally fallen for one of the most classic examples of failed logic, the black swan paradox. Just because two people did something and you haven’t seen a blown 2.0T engine from being overboosted doesn’t mean it’s impossible and without risk. I don’t know what you do for a living but half the shit you say doesn’t add up to making any sense, so we can leave it at that……..

I don't know what your purpose is here on this forum, but you literally joined in December of 2020 and said you would never modify one of these cars. Yet here you are telling people not to modify their car, in a forum that specifically deals with modifications for horsepower upgrades. This lame troll game has been tried so many times before on this forum. If you don't want to modify your car, that's fantastic, I wish you luck. Let the big boys here with the fast cars help the OP and take this schtick of yours back to the Porsche forums.

[flowhigh]

I literally don’t have a single clue what in the hell you’re talking about

If you're so hard up with that motor then why not take yourself to Porsche forum...rather than messing up one with answers, when you aren't even tuned. Let the guys that know their shitt and have the experience to back it up.
What do you got? Instead you go off on a irrelevant Metzger bs...

Just leave already.

[silver_tt]

I don't know what your purpose is here on this forum, but you literally joined in December of 2020 and said you would never modify one of these cars. Yet here you are telling people not to modify their car, in a forum that specifically deals with modifications for horsepower upgrades. This lame troll game has been tried so many times before on this forum. If you don't want to modify your car, that's fantastic, I wish you luck. Let the big boys here with the fast cars help the OP and take this schtick of yours back to the Porsche forums.

And now you think the 2.0T is fast? You just said it wasn’t a week ago, I can find your post if you want me to.

This is an Audi forum, not a tuning fanboy club. This is you being offended by something you don’t want to hear. That is not my problem…

[Spawne32]

And now you think the 2.0T is fast? You just said it wasn’t a week ago, I can find your post if you want me to.

This is an Audi forum, not a tuning fanboy club. This is you being offended by something you don’t want to hear. That is not my problem…

I am not offended at all. The trolls come and go all the time around here. Anyone who knows anything around here knows about the over a dozen regulars on this board that have made big numbers with stock block cars. Just pointing out that your posts are troll posts. Another loud mouth who doesn't have experience with the very thing they are trying to give advice on. You probably haven't had much time to search around on the forum since your a new member, but if you use the search feature, you will see just how fast some of these cars are with mods.

[Stubek]

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