Wtb hemi throttle body adapter IE,Ultracharger,etc

**mrb5_supra_wrx** · 07-19-2021 05:15 AM

As title states looking for one of these throttle adapter plates, or pipes from any company thanks

**jcoleman_11** · 07-19-2021 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by mrb5_supra_wrx

As title states looking for one of these throttle adapter plates, or pipes from any company thanks

If you can wait a bit, 034 is about to release theirs.

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**mrb5_supra_wrx** · 07-19-2021 06:36 AM

yea with how theyve said prob will be another few months or towards the end of the year

**hosj** · 07-19-2021 11:46 AM

Hunter Trimble has one for sale as well. A cheaper hemi TB kit.

**Fresh.S4** · 07-19-2021 12:18 PM

Yea hunter is selling kits for $390 on fb page

**Ashtonts** · 07-19-2021 12:36 PM

https://store.034motorsport.com/cata...fxiPb7uBMVNl80

**jcoleman_11** · 07-19-2021 12:37 PM

What are the odds, literally dropped today.

Was hoping they were gonna sell just the adapter and not the throttle body too.

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**Silentmdrummer** · 07-19-2021 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by jcoleman_11

What are the odds, literally dropped today.

Was hoping they were gonna sell just the adapter and not the throttle body too.

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They are selling it without the throttle body as well.

https://store.034motorsport.com/034m...y-adapter.html

Unless you mean you want just the cast piece and not the silicone inlet tube.

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**jcoleman_11** · 07-19-2021 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Silentmdrummer

They are selling it without the throttle body as well.

https://store.034motorsport.com/034m...y-adapter.html

Unless you mean you want just the cast piece and not the silicone inlet tube.

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Oh nice! I hadn’t seen this. That’s exactly what I’m looking for.

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**Fresh.S4** · 07-19-2021 01:39 PM

DO NOT BUY A TB before porting the charger lol.

Work on that first

**Ashtonts** · 07-19-2021 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Fresh.S4

DO NOT BUY A TB before porting the charger lol.

Work on that first

Not like it’ll hurt anything… just won’t give you much in the way of gains

**jcoleman_11** · 07-19-2021 02:02 PM

Well you should own the adapter first, so that you can have it port matched when doing the supercharger.

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**Ashtonts** · 07-19-2021 02:12 PM

By the way guys, the VDO BMW N62 84mm Throttle Body part number is: 13547535308

Can be found for $50 on eBay in good working order. Have fun

**NewFoundLight** · 07-19-2021 02:38 PM

I have an Ultra charger I'm not using how much your you thinking it's worth? Remember Apr charges 1k for the tune! But any good tuner can make it work. Hilton dose great remote tunes!

**Ashtonts** · 07-19-2021 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by NewFoundLight

I have an Ultra charger I'm not using how much your you thinking it's worth? Remember Apr charges 1k for the tune! But any good tuner can make it work. Hilton dose great remote tunes!

Probably not much anymore. This is the same basic design coupled with a larger throttle body for like half the price.

**Dross9779** · 07-19-2021 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Ashtonts

By the way guys, the VDO BMW N62 84mm Throttle Body part number is: 13547535308

Can be found for $50 on eBay in good working order. Have fun

Hahaha I went right to it after I saw they sell the adapter. Someone wanted 55, guaranteed to work, best offer of 35 shipped, sold.

**Ashtonts** · 07-19-2021 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Dross9779

Hahaha I went right to it after I saw they sell the adapter. Someone wanted 55, guaranteed to work, best offer of 35 shipped, sold.

You did slightly better than me. $45 shipped for mine

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**RuizMartinezH** · 07-19-2021 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Ashtonts

Probably not much anymore. This is the same basic design coupled with a larger throttle body for like half the price.

APR has CF and all the goodies, Buy umm I’ll take 1k for mine

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**BT719** · 07-20-2021 05:51 AM

Did you also buy lottery tickets yesterday? :)

Originally Posted by jcoleman_11

If you can wait a bit, 034 is about to release theirs.

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**mrb5_supra_wrx** · 07-20-2021 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Ashtonts

By the way guys, the VDO BMW N62 84mm Throttle Body part number is: 13547535308

Can be found for $50 on eBay in good working order. Have fun

Is this the same one that 034 is using in their kit or something?

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**Ashtonts** · 07-20-2021 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by mrb5_supra_wrx

Is this the same one that 034 is using in their kit or something?

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Yes and you can buy them under 1/4 the cost of what 034’s selling them for (which to be fair is a reasonable price for a new one).

Under $350 is cheaper than any of the hemi kits I’ve seen, and if that wasn’t good enough, the 034 adapter is a much smoother transition than the adapter with the cheap hemi kits, so it’ll introduce less turbulence to the flow = more air and less restriction. Cheaper and better.

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**mrb5_supra_wrx** · 07-20-2021 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ashtonts

Yes and you can buy them under 1/4 the cost of what 034’s selling them for (which to be fair is a reasonable price for a new one).

Under $350 is cheaper than any of the hemi kits I’ve seen, and if that wasn’t good enough, the 034 adapter is a much smoother transition than the adapter with the cheap hemi kits, so it’ll introduce less turbulence to the flow = more air and less restriction. Cheaper and better.

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Yea that's not bad at all then only thing I'm wondering is how I can get it to work with my I.E tune since I have I.E.

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**Ashtonts** · 07-20-2021 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by mrb5_supra_wrx

Yea that's not bad at all then only thing I'm wondering is how I can get it to work with my I.E tune since I have I.E.

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Supposedly it only works with 034’s tune.

That said, throttle bodies aren’t that complicated so you can probably just repin the harness to work with IE’s tune. Obviously don’t quote me on this lol

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**jcoleman_11** · 07-20-2021 07:01 PM

It’s not about the pin out, but rather the throttle body size. IE’s tune won’t work because it’s not calibrated for an 84mm throttle body.
Having throttle open at 25% on one size is not allowing the same amount of air in as another size. This is why you need a tune designed for the specific size.

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**hardfive** · 07-20-2021 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Ashtonts

Supposedly it only works with 034’s tune.

That said, throttle bodies aren’t that complicated so you can probably just repin the harness to work with IE’s tune. Obviously don’t quote me on this lol

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**Ashtonts** · 07-20-2021 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by jcoleman_11

It’s not about the pin out, but rather the throttle body size. IE’s tune won’t work because it’s not calibrated for an 84mm throttle body.
Having throttle open at 25% on one size is not allowing the same amount of air in as another size. This is why you need a tune designed for the specific size.

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Existing throttle body setups do have different pin outs though. For example, the IE tb needs to be repinned to run on an 034 tune. 034 also has a separate tune file for the Hemi tb kits vs the ultra charger because of the different pin outs.

The extra 4mm diameter isn’t enough of a difference that it wouldn’t run…

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**jcoleman_11** · 07-20-2021 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Ashtonts

Existing throttle body setups do have different pin outs though. For example, the IE tb needs to be repinned to run on an 034 tune. 034 also has a separate tune file for the Hemi tb kits vs the ultra charger because of the different pin outs.

The extra 4mm diameter isn’t enough of a difference that it wouldn’t run…

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This doesn’t make sense to me. The pin out would be corrected in the wire harness adapter. The ECU is going to send the signal to the existing wires, and the adapter then corrects the pin out for the throttle body.

And 4mm translates to 10% more in area. Enough not to run, no, but definitely not optimal.

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**Ashtonts** · 07-20-2021 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by jcoleman_11

This doesn’t make sense to me. The pin out would be corrected in the wire harness adapter. The ECU is going to send the signal to the existing wires, and the adapter then corrects the pin out for the throttle body.

And 4mm translates to 10% more in area. Enough not to run, no, but definitely not optimal.

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10% more area is probably comparable to or even less than the difference the ECU has account for with varying temperature, DA, etc.

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**Iwantyourcar** · 07-22-2021 10:24 AM

Will this setup get me anything on a dual pulley EPL tune (Is it even compatible?)..SC is not ported either. Thanks

**Ashtonts** · 07-22-2021 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Iwantyourcar

Will this setup get me anything on a dual pulley EPL tune (Is it even compatible?)..SC is not ported either. Thanks

Talk to Chris at EPL. Again, this supposedly requires 034 tuning, but I would be surprised if you couldn't get it to work with existing tunes by repinning the harness. EPL does have tunes for larger TB's.

You won't get a ton in the way of gains without porting the blower, but for the price of this thing you can't really go wrong either.

**Fresh.S4** · 07-22-2021 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Iwantyourcar

Will this setup get me anything on a dual pulley EPL tune (Is it even compatible?)..SC is not ported either. Thanks

port BEFORE throttle body folks. no sense in force the car to take big gulps of air if its got tiny lungs

and yes, if epl and 034 have a hemi (80 or 84mm) tb file, then all you need to do is repin the harness, all you are just rerouting the signal to the correct pin that takes it. AND i believe the tb has to come from the older 1500 ram trucks, at least thats what a few folks on the fb have stated.

***74mm and 82mm porsche tb's do NOT require a harness and can run straight into the audi harness.

**Ashtonts** · 07-22-2021 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Fresh.S4

port BEFORE throttle body folks. no sense in force the car to take big gulps of air if its got tiny lungs

Is anyone losing power from having too big of a TB though? I don’t think anyone who gets the TB before they port their blower is going to be hurting.

Obviously dont get a big TB if you aren’t going to port your blower, but I don’t really see this mod doing any harm

**wrxkyle** · 07-22-2021 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Ashtonts

Is anyone losing power from having too big of a TB though? I don’t think anyone who gets the TB before they port their blower is going to be hurting.

Obviously don't get a big TB if you aren’t going to port your blower, but I don’t really see this mod doing any harm

i don't agree with the not getting a big tb if not porting the blower, it makes gains by itself, and at the prices you can get them for it is a not crazy expensive option and is very quick and easy to diy and also to revert to 100% stock if you needed to for whatever reason.

when testing was done between the iabed 75 and 82mm tb's the 75 made more power/torque overall for most systems, and the 82 gave some extra power on the very top end with the most aggressive setups (big pully ratio and ported sc)

that being said not a ton of testing has been done regarding this. but in the end it was close enough to not be a real issue, with the conclusion that the vast majority of people benefited from the 75 compared to the 82 and the people that would benefit more from the 82 kinda already know who they are.

**Fresh.S4** · 07-22-2021 03:56 PM

i doubt anyones losing power, but why would you upgrade the tb? thats not the restriction.

**wrxkyle** · 07-22-2021 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Fresh.S4

i doubt anyones losing power, but why would you upgrade the tb? that's not the restriction.

and you have data to back up the fact that the stock tb is not a restriction on a stock blower? just because there are other restrictions doesn't make the stock blower a non-restriction. i picked up between 1-2 10th's in the quarter going iabed 75mm, no ported blower yet. i have some iat issues to sort out (nearing 80c in south florida even with divorced hx) but dyno's have shown that upgraded tb's do make power, regardless of porting status of sc. hell the apr ultracharger came out before people were porting chargers and was known to make more power (and be a higher risk to factory cats as well)

it's one of the restrictions. not the only restriction, but is one of them, and opening it up will create gains. will the gains be much more pronounced with a ported charger? yes, 100%. is there "no reason" to do a bigger tb without a ported charger like some are suggesting? no, and if someone wants to pay the dyno time I'll happily prove it. changing a tb is like 10-15 mins of work on this platform.

**Fresh.S4** · 07-22-2021 04:20 PM

yea bvhdr? testing was very nice to have as reference. thats what i went off of when making my tb decision.

**Fresh.S4** · 07-22-2021 04:26 PM

totally agree with everything you are saying.
i am just saying from personal experience i believe the effort should be spent on the supercharger and NOT the throttle body as the order of operation, IF someone new had to choose.