Any Engine Swap Options?

[mvnsory]

I've looked all over the place, and I can't seem to find any examples of B8.5 Q5 3.0T's (or any Q5's for that matter) with engine swaps. Is it even possible? You'd think one could fit the 3.0 from the Macan into the Q5, as it's the same platform.... right?

Anybody have any answers/intel?

[RoofRails]

I've looked all over the place, and I can't seem to find any examples of B8.5 Q5 3.0T's (or any Q5's for that matter) with engine swaps. Is it even possible? You'd think one could fit the 3.0 from the Macan into the Q5, as it's the same platform.... right?

Anybody have any answers/intel?

The only intel I have gathered is the 4.0T V8 is looking promising. There have been a few 4.0T swapped B8 S4 now and 034Motorsport just announced they have a working 4.0T swapped S4 shop car they are actively working on for developing parts. Nothing specific to the the Q5 platform yet but anything that works for the S4 should absolutely work with/fit in a SQ/Q5. Plus we already have a ZF8 which Audi has mated to the 4.0T on other platforms.

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[djn876]

With the right engineering and resources you can fit whatever you want in there. My friend stuck a VR6 engine with a turbo and a 6 speed from a 350z into a chevy s10 pickup.

It really just depends on how much money you want to spend. As stated, the 4.0T motor has been done a couple of times and 034 is working on a lot for the S4, but expect that to take a while before it's ready.

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[Norskie]

From my reading, the biggest challenge is going to be the electronics, even if all the mechanical and packaging issues could be sorted.

Personally I find the 3.0SC is the 'gem' that makes this platform worth owning. I wouldn't trade the 3.0SC's reliability for the 4.0T's power. My buddy has that V8 in his RS7 and he's at the dealer for repairs 3-4 times a year. I'd rather switch to an entirely different platform than put up with the headaches of such a swap.

I suppose .. if one had a Q5 with a bad engine and a spare 4.0T laying around .. and had a long winter with nothing else to do ..

[Pittdawg]

I've looked all over the place, and I can't seem to find any examples of B8.5 Q5 3.0T's (or any Q5's for that matter) with engine swaps. Is it even possible? You'd think one could fit the 3.0 from the Macan into the Q5, as it's the same platform.... right?

Anybody have any answers/intel?

Is the Macan 3.0 any different other than tuning? Why would you replace a 3.0 with another 3.0?

[djn876]

Is the Macan 3.0 any different other than tuning? Why would you replace a 3.0 with another 3.0?

That's a turbo engine I think, I didn't think the supercharged one was used in the Porsche.

And yeah, electronics would be a problem, you may end up needing to run 2 ECUs.

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[Clun9]

The only intel I have gathered is the 4.0T V8 is looking promising. There have been a few 4.0T swapped B8 S4 now and 034Motorsport just announced they have a working 4.0T swapped S4 shop car they are actively working on for developing parts. Nothing specific to the the Q5 platform yet but anything that works for the S4 should absolutely work with/fit in a SQ/Q5. Plus we already have a ZF8 which Audi has mated to the 4.0T on other platforms.

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Nick has been sending out teasers. I am looking forward to seeing it in person haha.

[RoofRails]

With the right engineering and resources you can fit whatever you want in there. My friend stuck a VR6 engine with a turbo and a 6 speed from a 350z into a chevy s10 pickup.

It really just depends on how much money you want to spend. As stated, the 4.0T motor has been done a couple of times and 034 is working on a lot for the S4, but expect that to take a while before it's ready.

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Could you imagine a SQ/Q5 making Turbo VR6 noises ! That would be glorious !

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[djn876]

Could you imagine a SQ/Q5 making Turbo VR6 noises ! That would be glorious !

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I want to do it to my wife's Atlas that has the V6 in there.

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[mvnsory]

Is the Macan 3.0 any different other than tuning? Why would you replace a 3.0 with another 3.0?

I was thinking more power, or a different setup maybe. The Macan's 3.0 would get rid of any issues regarding displacement. A man can dream, right? haha

[SnowmanMafia]

Is the Macan 3.0 any different other than tuning? Why would you replace a 3.0 with another 3.0?

Single turbo V6 instead of our supercharged v6.

[RoofRails]

I was thinking more power, or a different setup maybe. The Macan's 3.0 would get rid of any issues regarding displacement. A man can dream, right? haha

There was a guy on one of the Facebook groups that had a 2.0T that was giving him issues and he was talking about going with a normally aspirated 4.2 V8. I thought that would have been a really cool swap. That V8 makes all the right noises and would definitely have been quicker then his 2.0T. I don't think he went through with it though.

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[spijun]

I've looked all over the place, and I can't seem to find any examples of B8.5 Q5 3.0T's (or any Q5's for that matter) with engine swaps. Is it even possible? You'd think one could fit the 3.0 from the Macan into the Q5, as it's the same platform.... right?

Anybody have any answers/intel?

The platform is the same but everything else is different, engine, gearbox ........

You have to replace: engine, gearbox, electronics, you have to find who will adapt the software to the existing modules in Audi, of course everything is possible, but the price of this project is certainly 15k-25k or more.

Only the key electronics and adjusting the ECU protection system would cost around 2k-3k and....and.....

[S4'ed]

I want to put a 6MT into a B8 SQ5........

[AudiA4_20T]

If you think about the Q5 basically being a B8, anything from that range should fit. RS5 V8 would likely be an easy drop-in, but the 4.0TT will probably become more popular over time too.

[q5 dave]

+1 for 4.0T

here's some inspiration- this dude put the RS5 4.2L V8 in his allroad https://www.instagram.com/makisupaa/

[RoofRails]

+1 for 4.0T

here's some inspiration- this dude put the RS5 4.2L V8 in his allroad https://www.instagram.com/makisupaa/

That is absolutely a sick build !!


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[MSq5]

Is the Macan 3.0 any different other than tuning? Why would you replace a 3.0 with another 3.0?

The engine is totally different. Different bore and stroke, different block, heads, cams, everything. Turbo induction. Only thing in common is that both are 3 liter V6 engines. I doubt you can make much more power with the Porsche engine, anyway.

Better choice would be our 4.0TT if it could be shoehorned in somehow.

[Norskie]

I want to put a 6MT into a B8 SQ5........

I was just thinking about that the other day, after looking at a B8.5 S4 with a 6spd ... I wouldn't be surprised if the drivetrain things work OK but the ECU and the clutch stuff would be challenging.

[mvnsory]

+1 for 4.0T

here's some inspiration- this dude put the RS5 4.2L V8 in his allroad https://www.instagram.com/makisupaa/

That Allroad is absurd! Thanks for sending the link

[scottst]

The engine is totally different. Different bore and stroke, different block, heads, cams, everything. Turbo induction. Only thing in common is that both are 3 liter V6 engines. I doubt you can make much more power with the Porsche engine, anyway.

Better choice would be our 4.0TT if it could be shoehorned in somehow.

depends on which gen macan you are talking about.

we have a gen1 and it has the Porsche 3.0tt. I'm nearly certain it's a twin turbo. That said, I prefer our 3.0SC to that engine. It's laggy and lazy. Not nearly as punchy as our 3.0SC

the gen2 macan s has audi's single turbo 3.0. the macan gts and turbo have the TT version of audi's 2.9

[Clun9]

I was just thinking about that the other day, after looking at a B8.5 S4 with a 6spd ... I wouldn't be surprised if the drivetrain things work OK but the ECU and the clutch stuff would be challenging.

It's been down. There was one for sale in CA awhile back. A few people have done it in the EU as well.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...swap-for-sale/

[spijun]

It's been down. There was one for sale in CA awhile back. A few people have done it in the EU as well.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...swap-for-sale/

I have to disappoint you, this is a great lie and deception and now I will explain to you why
The Q5 model for the EU market was fitted with a 6-speed manual transmission, but only in the weakest engines, with OB2 markings that can withstand a maximum of 350 Nm of torque.
As is known the SQ5 3.0TFSI has 470 Nm

Imagine what would happen to this gearbox during the first acceleration with maximum throttle






Of course Audi has a 6-speed manual transmission that offers a much higher Nm, more precisely max torque 500 Nm, but it was installed in the S4 / S5 but never in the Q5

[Clun9]

I am well aware that they aren't the same trans in the 2.0T manuals.

US based SQ5s are 3.0T TFSI only. Q5s are also optioned with 3.0Ts here.
The example for sale was a local here in the SF Bay Area. The description from road and track was not completely accurate. But the vehicle for sale, was in fact a 3.0T, 6 speed swapped SQ5.

[AudiA4_20T]

I wouldn't be shocked if the B8.5 S4 manual parts bolt right up

[spijun]

I am well aware that they aren't the same trans in the 2.0T manuals.

US based SQ5s are 3.0T TFSI only. Q5s are also optioned with 3.0Ts here.
The example for sale was a local here in the SF Bay Area. The description from road and track was not completely accurate. But the vehicle for sale, was in fact a 3.0T, 6 speed swapped SQ5.

Both models 3.0 TSFI 272HP 400 Nm or 3.0TFSI 354HP 500Nm they have a much higher torque of 350Nm, which can withstand a standard manual transmission from Q5

Conclusion, it is technically impossible that it is a manual gearbox from Q5, only possible that it is from another model, then the information in the above text is not true

[Hcw484]

Anything is possible with enough money lol.
4.0TT seems to be the common choice for donor engine with the S4s.

[Clun9]

Both models 3.0 TSFI 272HP 400 Nm or 3.0TFSI 354HP 500Nm they have a much higher torque of 350Nm, which can withstand a standard manual transmission from Q5

Conclusion, it is technically impossible that it is a manual gearbox from Q5, only possible that it is from another model, then the information in the above text is not true

Like I said before the Road & Track article is in accurate, but the vehicle is still a 6-speed swapped 8R with a 3.0T.
You do realize that even in the B8/B8.5 S4s the manual transmissions as is have a hard time of holding the torque right?
Ask anyone with a B8 S4 with even a stage 1 tune, they will tell you an upgraded clutch and flywheel are basically MANDITORY.
On top of that, a lot drivetrain parts are inter-changable between the 8R Q5/SQ5 to the B8/B8.5 S4.

[MSq5]

I was thinking about a 4.0TT/ZF8 transplant (the beefier 90 series ZF8 from the RS6).

[spijun]

Like I said before the Road & Track article is in accurate, but the vehicle is still a 6-speed swapped 8R with a 3.0T.
You do realize that even in the B8/B8.5 S4s the manual transmissions as is have a hard time of holding the torque right?
Ask anyone with a B8 S4 with even a stage 1 tune, they will tell you an upgraded clutch and flywheel are basically MANDITORY.
On top of that, a lot drivetrain parts are inter-changable between the 8R Q5/SQ5 to the B8/B8.5 S4.

Please read carefully

The transmission is an original Q5 unit imported from Germany

The original manual transmission that Audi installed in the Q is version 0B2 0B2 = 350 Nm of torque


Basically A4, A5, Q5 are made on the same platform, most parts are the same
The CTVA, CTUC, CTXA and CTUD engines are the same 3.0TFSI engines installed in the Q5 / SQ5
Engine Code: CTUC, CTVA - 200kW (272HP) and CTUD, CTXA -260kW (354HP)
Model S4 / S5 have a CTUB 333HP engine


You mention that an upgrade was needed clutch and flywheel are basically MANDITORY, of course and do you know why because model S4 as factory had a torque of 440 Nm and that gearbox had a limit of 500Nm

Here you can read something about these engines, these are posts from 2013/2014
https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...=1#post8994800
https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...=1#post9477492

Conclusion for the end: the text in www.roadandtrack.com for Q5 is not true because there is no original manual gearbox from the Q5 model that can be installed in combination with the 3.0TFSI engine regardless of the 272HP or 354HP version

[djn876]

He's saying use a 6 spd from a B8/8.5 s4 that was made for this engine. Not a manual from a Q5.

He's also saying it's been done and the car didn't blow up, so you can't really say it's a lie?

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[spijun]

Maybe I see poorly or don’t understand. Maybe I should see an eye doctor

The transmission is an original Q5 unit imported from Germany




My first and all subsequent comments relate to the text that a manual transmission is built into the SQ5

[S4'ed]

I would use a 6MT from a donor S4, from a USA junkyard. Why would the guy have gotten a 6MT from Germany??

[Clun9]

Maybe I see poorly or don’t understand. Maybe I should see an eye doctor

The transmission is an original Q5 unit imported from Germany




My first and all subsequent comments relate to the text that a manual transmission is built into the SQ5

Again... you are just copying the words out of Road and track which is NOT where the original vehicle was even listed LOL.
Again, I have said the Road and Track magazine article is NOT accurate. The original posting was in a craigslist for sale ad that was here in the SF Bay Area. The car was swapped, running and ultimately someone else bought it. Couple of other things in the build that are also strange for the build are the 4 spoke steering wheel, non-sport Q5 seats, the climate controls were from an early Q5 and not an SQ. All these things were just a few things that stood out at me in the original craigslist ad that I saw YEARS ago.

On another note, I am pretty sure I am familar with the B8.5 S4. I have one... along with my SQ5.

[spijun]

Again... you are just copying the words out of Road and track which is NOT where the original vehicle was even listed LOL.
Again, I have said the Road and Track magazine article is NOT accurate. The original posting was in a craigslist for sale ad that was here in the SF Bay Area. The car was swapped, running and ultimately someone else bought it. Couple of other things in the build that are also strange for the build are the 4 spoke steering wheel, non-sport Q5 seats, the climate controls were from an early Q5 and not an SQ. All these things were just a few things that stood out at me in the original craigslist ad that I saw YEARS ago.

On another note, I am pretty sure I am familar with the B8.5 S4. I have one... along with my SQ5.

This is your post and your link, not mine
https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...1#post14501406

I just replied that it was impossible and attached evidence to you
Good luck

[djn876]

^While ignoring literally everything he is telling you lol.

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[Clun9]

^While ignoring literally everything he is telling you lol.

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Lol SMH.

Anyway. Yah we know its do-able and been done. Would love to see someone else do it as well.
That being said, I wonder if 034 is use a ZF with their 4.0TT.

[djn876]

Lol SMH.

Anyway. Yah we know its do-able and been done. Would love to see someone else do it as well.
That being said, I wonder if 034 is use a ZF with their 4.0TT.

In their post I think they said they are using a DSG for now, the ZF should be an easy swap though since it's already been mated from Audi.

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[Clun9]

In their post I think they said they are using a DSG for now, the ZF should be an easy swap though since it's already been mated from Audi.

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Right. From what I remember when they bought the car from the PO, the original trans and engine were parted out. It was basically a shell when they fitted the 4.0TT to it.
I'm not sure if they DSG is able to hold that torque along with that 700hp.

[spijun]

DSG vs S-tronic

DSG is used in VW vehicles

VW is using a transverse DSG,

Audi longitudinal S-tronic

DSG exists with six and seven speeds, the S-tronic is only with seven speeds

S-tronic is classified as OB5 and can withstand up to 550Nm

https://www.audi-technology-portal.d...es/s-tronic_en

PS: There is also a special version for the R8 and Lamborghini Huracan but this is another category (3 times more expensive than the standard S-tronic EUR 23k vs EUR 7.5k)