Timing Chain Kit - Febi Bilstein (P/N: 06H198100A)

[LarryCV7]

Hi all,

I'm replacing the timing chains, Guides, and Tensioner in my A4. I haven't had a lot of exposure to Febi Bilstein products such as their: Timing Chain Kit, (06H198100A) from europaparts.com.
Hoping to see if anyone else has actually used the kit and if it worked OK for them, (specifically...did the kit hold up, was the fitment right)?

Thanks

[Theiceman]

Does the kit ask for your vin or engine type. I think 2 of the rails are different the one between the cams and I think one of the balance shaft guides.

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[LarryCV7]

That was part of the reason I was asking. Viewing the photo's for the kit there's more guides than I require for my car.
As I can determine there's an extra short guide between the cams, Stadic chain guide, and one on the balance shaft guides all have two variations in this kit. Not sure if it was a revision or something else?

No, they didn't ask specifically for vin #, but they did ask the common questions: year, make, model, body type, engine code type questions.
Didn't want a kit that has known fitment or quality/reliability issues or just to stick with genuine Audi parts?

[Theiceman]

sounds like they are giving you both guides ? if so you are good, can you post a ink or a pic ?

[LarryCV7]

The link below is for that kit:


https://www.europaparts.com/timing-c...2-0t-caeb.html


TIMING CHAIN KIT (A4 A5 A6 Q5 2.0T, CAEB)
OEM: 06H198100A
MPN: 81957
By Febi Bilstein

[SNice]

Is one set of guides better than the other or should one just replace with the same style of what is already there?

I’m assuming the larger ones are the revision. (?)


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[Theiceman]

yup it even says they give you both , use according to your vin .
the D shaped one for the balance shaft chain, only one will fit anyway.
the one for between the cams at the top use the correct one , same as you took off.

they are NOT upgraded parts, they are different parts for different revs of engine.

also this is just a small part of what you need, you know that right ?

you will need a lower timing cover, seals gaskets, sealing goop , etc

and personally i would change the crank sprocket.

[Smac770]

If all the parts in the picture are included, then the kit is fine to cover all US B8 and C7 2.0T engines (CAEx and CPMx). Not sure why they claim it's only through 2013.

Audi switched to the longer upper and right guides for the cam timing chain starting Jul 1 '13. It would seem logical to just supersede the older guides. But per parts.audiusa.com, the newer ones do not supersede the older ones for vehicles prior to that date. Is there any reason you can't use the newer ones, no idea.

The AN vs AQ is about the upper guide for the balance chain. AN for before May 18 '09; AQ for after May 18 '09. I believe they cannot be physically interchanged. Something about a moved bolt hole.

[Theiceman]

If all the parts in the picture are included, then the kit is fine to cover all US B8 and C7 2.0T engines (CAEx and CPMx). Not sure why they claim it's only through 2013.

Audi switched to the longer upper and right guides for the cam timing chain starting Jul 1 '13. It would seem logical to just supersede the older guides. But per parts.audiusa.com, the newer ones do not supersede the older ones for vehicles prior to that date. Is there any reason you can't use the newer ones, no idea.

The AN vs AQ is about the upper guide for the balance chain. AN for before May 18 '09; AQ for after May 18 '09. I believe they cannot be physically interchanged. Something about a moved bolt hole.

correct.. it physically wont fit.

[silver_tt]

Febi is a good brand and a OEM but on this job I would buy the parts from OE Audi because it's not that much more expensive ($500 for the parts in that kit instead of $300) and it will be guaranteed by VIN. This is a job you want to do right the first time and be done with it. Iceman is right you need other parts as well, I posted a part list in the timing chain thread recently.

[silver_tt]

and personally i would change the crank sprocket.

I saw jfo say this too. You guys obviously know your stuff -- I'm just wondering is this because you saw excessive wear on the crank sprocket? I'm assuming it must be, I can't think of any other reason to do it but mine looked fine at 78K miles on my 2014 CPMB. Wasn't sure if this was as ubiquitous as the cam bridge screen (where just about everyone says they found it ripped off) or if it was more of a one-off thing. Were the teeth showing wear on yours?

[Theiceman]

may be a one off but this was mine,,, 130K miles

[silver_tt]

Thanks. Hopefully it's not anytime even remotely soon but I'll check it the next time I'm in the lower timing case.

Correct me if I'm wrong but what's interesting is I even see it on the teeth for the oil pump chain. I could have hypothesized that the teeth that are worn from the timing chain could have been because it was stretched......but that doesn't really hold water since the oil pump teeth are showing the same thing. I've never seen that before.

[Theiceman]

Audi OCI at work i imagine.

[silver_tt]

Were you running 10K OCI's?

[RDA990]

The Febi Bilstein kit looks nice, however I already ordered and received all OEM parts in the kit (except for the balance shaft tensioner and chains, went with Febi) for $415.

Audi switched to the longer upper and right guides for the cam timing chain starting Jul 1 '13. It would seem logical to just supersede the older guides. But per parts.audiusa.com, the newer ones do not supersede the older ones for vehicles prior to that date. Is there any reason you can't use the newer ones, no idea.

The AN vs AQ is about the upper guide for the balance chain. AN for before May 18 '09; AQ for after May 18 '09. I believe they cannot be physically interchanged. Something about a moved bolt hole.

This is correct, good thing the Febi kit includes both versions of these 3 parts:

Timing Chain Guide (Right)
Before 7/1/13: 06H109469AP
After 7/1/13: 06K109469M

Timing Chain Guide (Upper)
Before 7/1/13: 06H109469T
After 7/1/13: 06K109469N

Balance Shaft Chain Guide
Before 5/18/09: 06H109469AN
After 5/18/09:06H109469AQ

Is there any reason you can't use the newer ones, no idea.

Great question that needs an answer. I didn't find any other direct timing components that changed with the 7/1/13 VIN split. Maybe something changed with the cams or bridge?

[Smac770]

No, cams and bridge are the same. I'd be temped to use the newer longer ones. It might be related to the hp bump? Jul '13 would be just after the normal start of MY14 production. Cylinder head revision did roll May 6 '13. But unlike the guides, the new head replaces the old head for replacement purposes. The crankcase also rolled, Aug 13 '13. But like the head, the old version is obsolete, not maintained for replacement on older builds. It does seem an odd thing.

Regarding long term direction, the Gen3 (B8.5) and Gen3 evo (B9) and Gen4 evo (B9.5 12v hybrid) all use the elongated style guides. Actually, this is discussed in SSP 645. The elongation of the right side guide is termed an upper and lower skip guard. Apparently the upper guide now bolts to the cylinder head, not just slides on. But it's longer also. Still, no idea why they backported this Gen3 modification to newly built Gen2's but not for replacement purpose on Gen2's already in the field. They all use the same chain and tensioner and sprocket.