Audi V8 vs Electric - Is V8 a dying breed or an investment?

[footbllpro30]

Hello - hope everyone is doing well during these crazy times. I was watching a YouTube video today from EddieX (https://youtu.be/u7WnkwaHVFQ) and he was talking about the death of the V8s in future cars. Companies like McLaren and Porsche are slowly getting rid of V8s. In addition, we have the quick adoption of electric cars today (even Audi is invested heavily in moving that direction). I currently own a 2016 Audi RS7 with low mileage and I absolutely love the car and the way it sounds on a daily basis.

Curious to hear from others if they think that unique cars like the RS7 with V8s will actually increase in value/or at least reduce rate of depreciation within the next 5 years due to the fact that they are a dying breed.

There currently really isn't any other car I would prefer to drive (except newest RS7 but I will wait until its 2-3 years old before I buy).

[gk1]

While the RS7 may lose value slower than other Audis it is not really an investment class vehicle especially since the electrics will be crap-tons faster than any V8. Nostalgia will only do so much for the value and that probably won't be for more like 20 years from now.
Even the R8 does not appreciate in value.
You've got a fantastic car today... enjoy it as much as you can so that when a $30k electric car silently obliterates it at ever stoplight in the future and the government starts to penalize us for even owning a V8 car then you will not be disappointed that you didn't enjoy your car while you could.

[footbllpro30]

@gk1 - I agree with everything you said and agree that an electric car half the cost will be able to blow the RS7 off the line very soon. My question is if car enthusiasts, due to their love of engine/exhaust and nostalgia, will go out of their way to purchase a car that is still gas driven. In my opinion, there are two ways this could go. Either people are so into electric that the prices of exotic gas engine cars plummet, or that even though most people are buying electric, rare cars like the RS7 become a commodity. If they become a commodity, I believe the 20 year classic car rule gets cut way down (possibly 5-10 years).

So that's what I am curious about - If you listen to the EddieX video I linked, he says if you have a V8 keep it. Do we think the market trend will follow his advice or do we thing most car sports enthusiasts will lean towards electric and forget the old era?

[gk1]

In that case I think it will be forgotten. IMO enthusiasts of RS7 type cars are more about performance luxury and speed than just the engine/exhaust, and the electric performance will leave the RS7 by the wayside. There will still be the classic muscle cars if you just want the sound and they will be much much cheaper to maintain compared to the RS7. I just don't see the RS7 elevating to the "must have" or "classic" category by 2026 that the value would actually increase.

[AudiTurbo4me777]

For me I love my V8T vehicle. Love the power and don't forget the V8 rumble sound from the exhaust. Just note electric cars have no exhaust sound. If I ever get a EV it will have to be cheap enough to afford and probably only for commuting. If V8's do get cheaper because electric vehicles will be taking over the market I'll be out shopping for some bargain V8 or gasoline powered cars. Although I do think RS7 cars may hold some value as they are top of the line. Would have be very low mileage, well kept car.

[Alabama]

Curious to hear from others if they think that unique cars like the RS7 with V8s will actually increase in value within the next 5 years due to the fact that they are a dying breed even thought car enthusiasts still love them and love the sound of a V8.

Since the Europeans cheated on diesel the push is on for electric so the major manufacturers can meet Paris climate goals. I suspect the five year time frame is too short as I believe many companies will still see high performance internal combustion as a useful niche product and much of the world can't afford electric yet. Even Audi is continuing the RS6, the first Avant to the US in a while.

[Kevin1]

Four door cars do not traditionally become collector cars that appreciate. I also don’t see our cars, which have expensive to maintain technology, being on the road long enough to reach the mythical appreciation curve. So just drive it and enjoy it. Then move on.

[Theiceman]

Yup dont get caught up in the emotion.
It will not appreciate in value. Enjoy it until it becomes too expensive to maintain.


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[paul-g]

I read an article about 3 months ago from Audi stating that after 2023 or maybe 2024 they will not be investing engineering in their gas/diesel base cars anymore as they want to be 100% electric by 2030.

[daytona rs7]

as much as I would like to think that my RS7 will be collectible one day, i highly doubt it.

As previously mentioned, there are very few 4dr cars that turn out to be an investment. even more so if they are automatic.

a perfect example is porsche. Modern 911 turbos demand good amounts of money and depreciate slowly. but the panamera depreciates like a rock, regardless of trim.

however, while generally not increasing in value (more than MSRP) the E39 M5 demands a good premium at the moment. again, more-so if optioned with the manual trans.

[Alabama]

as much as I would like to think that my RS7 will be collectible one day, i highly doubt it.

Become notorious!

[Valpo A7]

I think that all internal combustion engines will soon be a dying breed with the shift by manufactures to a greener horizon.

BUT as long as the oil refineries remain in business distilling crude oil, gasoline should be available. It just maybe not very cheap to obtain in the future.

[Hofahome]

While the RS7 may lose value slower than other Audis it is not really an investment class vehicle especially since the electrics will be crap-tons faster than any V8. Nostalgia will only do so much for the value and that probably won't be for more like 20 years from now.
Even the R8 does not appreciate in value.
You've got a fantastic car today... enjoy it as much as you can so that when a $30k electric car silently obliterates it at ever stoplight in the future and the government starts to penalize us for even owning a V8 car then you will not be disappointed that you didn't enjoy your car while you could.

This. Sorry as cool as the RS7 is, it’s not going to appreciate. It’s just not special enough or have racing heritage.

Personally I look forward in the next few years to buying a 1000hp awd sedan that doesnt have to run on unicorn piss and have all the parts/tuning nightmares the ICE cars run to get near those levels. Not to mention the fact it will drive me home if I decide to drink.

I get the issue of aural excitement that is lost with electric cars. I’m really hoping someone makes an app that creates engine/exhaust sounds through the speakers of electric cars. Drive an F1 car, blown V8 with cams, turbo I6, etc all on the fly.


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[phunkfarm]

Just as steam engine cars are valuable today, A gas engine RS7 will also be valuable - to your grandson in his middle age if you park it now and time capsule it. For a car to be Iconic in general, it needs to perform, be rare, look great, and inspire emotion. The RS567 could turn into a classic but we won't live long enough because of the newness of electric. Nostalgia needs to kick in would be my guess. I would say RS's would hold future values more than AMG or M's respectively due to rareness.

[paul-g]

Just as steam engine cars are valuable today, A gas engine RS7 will also be valuable - to your grandson in his middle age if you park it now and time capsule it. For a car to be Iconic in general, it needs to perform, be rare, look great, and inspire emotion. The RS567 could turn into a classic but we won't live long enough because of the newness of electric. Nostalgia needs to kick in would be my guess. I would say RS's would hold future values more than AMG or M's respectively due to rareness.

agree with this. just think cars from the 50's-70's everyone pay huge money for them now but thru the 80- early 2000's they we not worth a whole bunch

[zcd2.7t]

The performance, looks and to a lesser degree the sound are some of the attractive aspects of cars like the RS7. Performance like that in sedans used to be the exclusive domain of cars with V8/V8TT engines. That’s no longer the case, as EVs like the Taycan Turbo, ETron GT and Tesla Model S have raised the bar, and the V8s aren’t ever going to match their performance without tuning them to the point that they become largely unreliable time bombs.

The V8’s time as the dominant performance powerplant option is over, IMHO.

Doesn’t mean there isn’t lots of enjoyment to be had from a car so equipped, so enjoy it while you can!

[daytona rs7]

The performance, looks and to a lesser degree the sound are some of the attractive aspects of cars like the RS7. Performance like that in sedans used to be the exclusive domain of cars with V8/V8TT engines. That’s no longer the case, as EVs like the Taycan Turbo, ETron GT and Tesla Model S have raised the bar, and the V8s aren’t ever going to match their performance without tuning them to the point that they become largely unreliable time bombs.

The V8’s time as the dominant performance powerplant option is over, IMHO.

Doesn’t mean there isn’t lots of enjoyment to be had from a car so equipped, so enjoy it while you can!

thats true if the only thing you care about is speed. but with collectable cars, that's typically never the case.

Most vintage sports cars get their doors blown off by modern day run of the mill sedans, yet the vintage cars are still collectible.

The V8, V10 and V12s of recent years have a chance to be collectible at a later date. they would be noted as the most powerful ICE ever made. it may be many years before any of this is ever appreciated though, and it woudl be because of nostalgia.

[Alabama]

Just as steam engine cars are valuable today

For example, the Barber Vintage Motorsports Museum in Birmingham has a steam powered motorcycle from the late 1800s.

[sepheroth86]

I am super excited about our electric car future..

The older that I get, the quieter I want my car to be.

Plus soon, everyday driver cars will have 1000hp/tq.

[phunkfarm]

For example, the Barber Vintage Motorsports Museum in Birmingham has a steam powered motorcycle from the late 1800s.

Dont know anything about steam, just making the point that the type of engine won't determine the value. I doubt a split window Vette will lose future value due to electric popularity.

[Alabama]

Dont know anything about steam, just making the point that the type of engine won't determine the value. I doubt a split window Vette will lose future value due to electric popularity.

Agreed! Barber has something like 1,600 motorcycles (100 Harleys) but the vast majority enter the collection because they are representative of something, not because they are rare and valuable. Some of the ur-Quattros have gained in value, but they're 40 years old.