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    Torque Non-Standard PIDs

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    So I've seen a number of people here that use Torque for monitoring various things. I know I use it every time I drive just to get a feel for normal values and generally see that everything is working OK. However the standard OBD items available don't cover everything that I wanted to see at least, and others I'm sure want to be able to monitor other stuff as well. Below is a list of the Audi specific PIDs that I entered into Torque under "Settings" and then "Manage extra PIDs/Sensors" and then add custom PIDs. You can see what the Units are, but if you want things in psi vs. hPa, or deg F vs deg C, just multiply the whole equation by whatever the conversion factor is. You will see I did that for HPFP setpoint/actual value (convert hPa to psi) and for Oil Temp (convert deg C to Deg F). Anyway, hopefully this helps someone out. Due to the formatting, this might not show up well on mobile apps. Enjoy.

    As a note, this works for my 2016 SQ5, you would need to verify it is the same address for your vehicle, not sure what happens if it's wrong but Torque provides a general warning since you are sending a command over the CANBUS. Use at your own risk. The ODB Mode for all of the points is 22, and then the 4 digit HEX code is the PID location address. For each one I laid out how you would fill out the custom PID info in Torque. You can make the min/max values whatever you want. The only thing I really want that I don't have is trans temperature. The standard OBD point in Torque is just coolant temp and not trans temp.

    For IAT, I believe this is an average of the two banks, same for MAP Meas parameter as there are separate ones for each bank, but honestly they tend to all be pretty close.

    For all points, leave "Header", "Start Diagnostic" and "Stop Diagnostic" blank. Scale factor is always 1x, Overrides PID should be "Does not override", remember equation should be "So not store value".

    For the last three, they are equations I made to calculate HPFP error and Lambda Error the reference the values obtained by the other PIDs, so for those leave the "Mode and PID" field blank.

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    Long Name Short Name Mode And PID Equation Min Value Max Value Units
    Pre-Charger IAT Pre-Charger IAT 221003 (A*0.75)-48 -10 100 °C
    Intake Air Temperature (Audi) IAT 221001 (A*0.75)-48 -10 100 °C
    Activation Ratio of Accelerator Pedal Accel Pedal Pos 221070 ((A<8)+B)*0.0977 0 100 %
    Bank 1 Measured Lambda Lambda Bank 1 221098 ((A<8)+B)*0.0010 0 1.5 Lambda
    Bank 2 Measured Lambda Lambda Bank 2 221099 ((A<8)+B)*0.0010 0 1.5 Lambda
    Supercharger Coolant Pump PWM Signal SC Pump PWM 2211D6 ((A<8)+B)*0.0015 0 100 %
    LPFP Pressure LPFP Press 221321 ((A<8)+B)*2.6534) 0 8000 hPa
    HPFP Setpoint HPFP SP 22130F (((A<8)+B)*2.6534)*0.01450377 0 3000 psi
    HPFP Actual Value HPFP Actual 22130E (((A<8)+B)*2.6534)*0.01450377 0 3000 psi
    LPFP Speed LPFP PWM 22131C ((A<8)+B)*0.0015 0 100 %
    Cylinder 1 Ignition Angle Cyl 1 Ign 22138A (((A<8)+B)*0.3750)-35.625 -10 40 °
    Cylinder 2 Ignition Angle Cyl 2 Ign 22138B (((A<8)+B)*0.3750)-35.625 -10 40 °
    Cylinder 3 Ignition Angle Cyl 3 Ign 22138C (((A<8)+B)*0.3750)-35.625 -10 40 °
    Cylinder 4 Ignition Angle Cyl 4 Ign 22138D (((A<8)+B)*0.3750)-35.625 -10 40 °
    Cylinder 5 Ignition Angle Cyl 5 Ign 22138E (((A<8)+B)*0.3750)-35.625 -10 40 °
    Cylinder 6 Ignition Angle Cyl 6 Ign 22138F (((A<8)+B)*0.3750)-35.625 -10 40 °
    Mean Ignition Value All Cylinders Ignition Advance 22137A (((A<8)+B)*0.3750)-35.625 -10 40 °
    Inj 1 Pulse Width Inj 1 Pulse 2213A5 ((A<8)+B)*0.0040 0 10 msec
    Inj 2 Pulse Width Inj 2 Pulse 2213A3 ((A<8)+B)*0.0040 0 10 msec
    Inj 3 Pulse Width Inj 3 Pulse 2213A4 ((A<8)+B)*0.0040 0 10 msec
    Inj 4 Pulse Width Inj 4 Pulse 2213A6 ((A<8)+B)*0.0040 0 10 msec
    Inj 5 Pulse Width Inj 5 Pulse 2213A7 ((A<8)+B)*0.0040 0 10 msec
    Inj 6 Pulse Width Inj 6 Pulse 2213A8 ((A<8)+B)*0.0040 0 10 msec
    Manifold Air Pressure MAP 2213D0 ((A<8)+B)*0.0829 0 3000 hPa
    MAP Measured MAP Meas 2213D1 ((A<8)+B)*0.0829 0 3000 hPa
    MAP Setpoint MAP SP 222029 ((A<8)+B)*0.0829 0 5000 hPa
    Cylinder 1 Knock Adjustment Cyl 1 Knk 2213F2 (((A<8)+B)*0.3750)-48 -20 0 °
    Cylinder 2 Knock Adjustment Cyl 2 Knk 2213F3 (((A<8)+B)*0.3750)-48 -20 0 °
    Cylinder 3 Knock Adjustment Cyl 3 Knk 2213F4 (((A<8)+B)*0.3750)-48 -20 0 °
    Cylinder 4 Knock Adjustment Cyl 4 Knk 2213F5 (((A<8)+B)*0.3750)-48 -20 0 °
    Cylinder 5 Knock Adjustment Cyl 5 Knk 2213F6 (((A<8)+B)*0.3750)-48 -20 0 °
    Cylinder 6 Knock Adjustment Cyl 6 Knk 2213F7 (((A<8)+B)*0.3750)-48 -20 0 °
    Lambda Bank 1 Setpoint Lambda B1 SP 221458 ((A<8)+B)*0.0010 0 1.5 Lambda
    Lambda Bank 2 Setpoint Lambda B2 SP 221459 ((A<8)+B)*0.0010 0 1.5 Lambda
    Opening Angle of Throttle Valve Throttle Valve Angle 22150C ((A<8)+B)*0.0073 0 90 °
    Bypass Valve Position Byp Vlv Pos 222982 ((A<8)+B)*0.0256 0 90 °
    Oil Temperature Oil Temp 2220A1 (((A*1.0)-40)*1.8)+32 0 250 ° F
    HPFP Actual Vs Setpoint Differential HPFP Error VAL{HPFP Actual Value}-VAL{HPFP Setpoint} -500 500 psi
    Lambda Bank 1 Differential Lambda B1 Error VAL{Bank 1 Measured Lambda}-VAL{Lambda Bank 1 Setpoint} -1 1 Lambda
    Lambda Bank 2 Differential Lambda B2 Error VAL{Bank 2 Measured Lambda}-VAL{Lambda Bank 2 Setpoint} -1 1 Lambda
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    Not sure if i will have the stones to try this but either way this is some great information. I always wondered why Torque didn't pick up certain values. I always thought it was the OBD dongle that limited it.
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    Yeah there are certain standard points that all of the OEMs use, but then the manufacturers can use whatever other ones they want with any OBD mode with a number higher than 10, usually 21 or 22.

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    Hey guys this worked on my 2015 3.0T Q5. It's awesome to have some additional data points available every time I get into the truck. Thanks again to djn876 for posting this. So far I have made use of the BPV position dial in comparing my APR file to 034s. I also pulled up the oil temp and the HPFP error reading but I'm not exactly sure what to look for on there yet as far as what's normal but I'll figure it out at some point LOL !

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    Oil temp I just look to see it's around 200ish, interesting it tends to be off from the DIS laptimer by about 10 deg higher. I only see one sensor, and personally trust this one more.

    The HPFP error was one I made just to make sure the HPFP isn't dying. Positive means actual is higher than setpoint. Usually it's +/- 50 or 60 psi with the autotech. I would love the VCV duty cycle but don't have the address in the ECU.

    Glad it's working!

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    This is why Audizine has been very successful. It's the very knowledge members that have shared their insights and experiences to help grow our community.

    BIG THANKS to Djn876 and RoofRails for continuing to creating more informational content!

    I need suggestions for setting up the gauges for most of these values. I'm currently using the Torque pro app on a Nexus 7 and I'm running out of screen space. 20210131_160557.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising_sun View Post
    This is why Audizine has been very successful. It's the very knowledge members that have shared their insights and experiences to help grow our community.

    BIG THANKS to Djn876 and RoofRails for continuing to creating more informational content!

    I need suggestions for setting up the gauges for most of these values. I'm currently using the Torque pro app on a Nexus 7 and I'm running out of screen space. 20210131_160557.jpg

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    I shrink them down more and overlap the gauges. You will never get it all on one screen so I gave a different ones that I flip back and forth to.
    The first one with the IAT temps is my primary one then I flip back and forth looking at fuel. The fuel is way more important when I'm running a higher E content. I have a note 20 so I have a decent amount of screen to wok with. Screenshot_20201208-201618_Torque.jpgScreenshot_20201210-202055_Torque.jpg

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    Here is my primary one I use the covers Hi/Lo pressure fuel, IAT, temps, etc. I like to keep ambient temp on there too so I can see how much of delta I am maintaining. I also have other screens for LTFT/STFT, and then lambda, catalyst temps, O2 voltages. I don't switch often, usually just to spot check things here and there. I will probably make one for knock data at some point, just haven't gotten around to it yet.
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    This is amazing! Thank you so much for putting this together. A couple of questions:

    What's the difference between the Torque default CACT and the new IAT?
    What's the difference between MAP and MAP Measured? Are they the two banks you mentioned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qboost View Post
    This is amazing! Thank you so much for putting this together. A couple of questions:

    What's the difference between the Torque default CACT and the new IAT?
    What's the difference between MAP and MAP Measured? Are they the two banks you mentioned?
    CACT is the generic OBD-II point, the IAT here I believe is just an average of the two sensors (which tend to be within a couple degrees of each other). They may be the same thing as I haven't compared the values, but I just prefer to use the audi specific point because it is the point I usually log with so I stuck with it for consistency.

    I've noticed that MAP usually reads a little higher than MAP Measured, that has been something I have been working on as well as I can't quite figure out exactly the differences between the two. Again I think the MAP_Measured value is an average of the two MAP sensors, and my best guess is the difference between the two is just related to barometric pressure with one being compensated for deviation from standard atmosphere and one a direct value. I would need to check the logs and see if that makes sense though. These are not readings from the individual MAP sensors. Those have their own points. I would need to look and see if I have the specific address for those.
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    Hi! Would You be able to creat a PID for exaust temperature? Can't find that one anywhere :( it's useful to see whether the DPF is getting cleaned based on the temp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zamulka View Post
    Hi! Would You be able to creat a PID for exaust temperature? Can't find that one anywhere :( it's useful to see whether the DPF is getting cleaned based on the temp.
    Sorry I only have the points for the 3.0T engine and not the TDI so unfortunately can't help much there. Maybe searching some other forums out there might find something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qboost View Post
    This is amazing! Thank you so much for putting this together. A couple of questions:

    What's the difference between the Torque default CACT and the new IAT?
    Quote Originally Posted by djn876 View Post
    CACT is the generic OBD-II point, the IAT here I believe is just an average of the two sensors (which tend to be within a couple degrees of each other). They may be the same thing as I haven't compared the values, but I just prefer to use the audi specific point because it is the point I usually log with so I stuck with it for consistency.
    Just to update: I did notice that the default from Torque, CACT, was reporting just in integers. The PID, IAT, from djn is more accurate and reporting down to 0.1 place.
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    I've been trying to find something, not much on internet. I see in the app there is Exhaust temp. However it says no data received. Is that possible I don't have any temp. Sensor on exhaust in A5 2009? I highly doubt it tbh.

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    I've been trying to find something, not much on internet. I see in the app there is Exhaust temp. However it says no data received. Is that possible I don't have any temp. Sensor on exhaust in A5 2009? I highly doubt it tbh.

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    I doubt there is an EGT probe installed. On the 3.0T, there is a modeled catalyst temp pre and post, but it is a calculated value so not sure how any mods might impact it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djn876 View Post
    Here is my primary one I use the covers Hi/Lo pressure fuel, IAT, temps, etc. I like to keep ambient temp on there too so I can see how much of delta I am maintaining. I also have other screens for LTFT/STFT, and then lambda, catalyst temps, O2 voltages. I don't switch often, usually just to spot check things here and there. I will probably make one for knock data at some point, just haven't gotten around to it yet.
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    Did you manage to adjust the screens to control the detonation of cylinders 1-6? Ignition angle?
    It doesn't work for me.
    Another question is where do you get the PID addresses?
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    'Evening Zamulka,
    I know I'm reviving an old thread, but I stumbled across it searching for Torque PIDs myself and know folks may be interested.
    I'm fairly new to the audi family, came from a '15 2.0 TDI Jetta 6MT affectionately known as "Jetta Tuneberg". I used torque pro extensively to data log things including the water to air charge cooler efficiency, and egts when it was running all of them. I do not have any knowledge of the 3.0 TDI's PIDS, but I was able to log the 2.0's and could witness when the DPF was regenerating. I hope the syntax comes out correctly below. If you PM me, I can email you the .CSV file and it's fairly easy to import them into the Torque Pro app. I find it faster to edit them in batch on the PC, and then re-upload them if I want to change names etc.

    Soon, I'll start logging things in my '18 A6 3.0T, as I'll be wanting to modify a few things. Hopefully this will shed light for you and logging your DPF cycles etc.

    Additionally, I know there were apps that were solely there to monitor if/when you were in a Regen, but I was always much more interested in the nitty gritty details of it all. I have a decent list of other 2.0 TDI pids, and there may be some carryover, but these are the ones involving the four EGT sensors and a generic dpf soot level one.

    Name ShortName ModeAndPID Equation Min Value Max Value Units Header
    VW EGT1 G235 ET1 Pre Turbo 178 (((B*256)+C)/10)-40 0 1300 °C Auto
    VW EGT2 G448? ET2 Pre DOC? 178 (((D*256)+E)/10)-40 0 1300 °C Auto
    VW EGT3 G495 ET3 Post DOC 178 (((F*256)+G)/10)-40 0 1300 °C Auto
    VW EGT4 G648 ET4 Post DPF 178 (((H*256)+I)/10)-40 0 1300 °C Auto
    VW DPF Soot Level Soot 06b2 ((R49<8)+R50)/100 0 100 g Auto

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    Possible to come up with one for Oil Pressure? I know it would just be a voltage reading from the pressure switch(s) but wondering if that can be scaled to represent PSI
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