Genesis G70

[chi_marketing]

So there I was - at the light next to a Genesis G70. We both accelerated in a passive aggressive manner. Clearly the G70 thought he was hot stuff because he didn't pay for the *premium* brand. He's sticking it to the man. Ha. His face was priceless. For the record I test drove a G70 and it was as dull and boring as my high school English teacher.

[Desert Dead]

So there I was - at the light next to a Genesis G70. We both accelerated in a passive aggressive manner. Clearly the G70 thought he was hot stuff because he didn't pay for the *premium* brand. He's sticking it to the man. Ha. His face was priceless. For the record I test drove a G70 and it was as dull and boring as my high school English teacher.

Most cars are dull and boring next to your RS5.


G70 guys make that face when they see my A5. You shouldn’t even be paying attention to him, imo.

[eightamrock]

Most cars are dull and boring next to your RS5.


G70 guys make that face when they see my A5. You shouldn’t even be paying attention to him, imo.

I get this a lot with tuned Golf Rs. You can always tell. Blacked out tint, sometimes you can hear the downpipe. They know what they are up against, but love to see how they can perform against an RS model.

I think there is definitely a mutual respect there though, unlike the G70s.

[Rob01S4]

I get this a lot with tuned Golf Rs. You can always tell. Blacked out tint, sometimes you can hear the downpipe. They know what they are up against, but love to see how they can perform against an RS model.

I think there is definitely a mutual respect there though, unlike the G70s.

They do this even against my S5.

[oc cc]

G70 3.3T competes with S4/5 no? I figure the RS5 would be quicker by quite the margin considering 365hp vs 444 hp

I will also note - my untuned S5 has pretty much lost to all my friends cars I have raced, and in most cases pretty badly (all of em from a roll). From a stock MT 340i ZHP, Stage 1 Mustang Ecoboost, stock Kia Stinger GT, stock C43 convertible (this one was embarrassing), stock G20 M340i xdrive (put like 5 cars on me), stock Q50 RedSport, and last but not least - I got SMOKED by buddies stock 21 Supra, he put a few bus lengths on my S5. I knew Supras were fast, but first time we pulled from 20 he legit thought I forgot to hit the gas pedal because he pulled on me so badly. Every single time we ran, I purposely got the jump but even going early he would pass me like I was not moving. Audi claims the S5 has 350HP, but it definitely feels less than that. It feels fat, slow, and full of cholesterol. Every time I race people I always press the pedal early and even with the delay my friends still get the jump somehow, because that's how awful this car is programmed with the pedal/trans. My last mod will be to get an ecu/tcu tune, but if it doesn't help with the sportiness of the car I am trading it in next year for a 718. I've had the car since July 2019 and only put 6k miles on it because I am always grabbing the keys to the other cars (Mazda 6 for daily, and 911 for the canyons).

[Rob01S4]

That sucks.. I do find the throttle delay annoying as well. I’ve found that rolling onto the gas works much better - when stock or tuned. Partial throttle feels much quicker in the lower and midrange.

Edit: another thing to mention is all those guys you raced are turbo too.. they could be brake boosting while you’re not. Makes a huge difference when you brake boost in a roll race. It’s kinda like two-stepping from a dig... it loads up the motor and spools the turbo.

[JohnEnglish]

That's one thing I love about my RS5, there's no throttle delay compared to the S5. It reminds me of my old B8.5 S4; you get acceleration as soon as you press the gas. That's one annoying thing I've noticed since I got my RS5, everyone wants to race. I just ignore them and act like I don't see them.

[oc cc]

That sucks.. I do find the throttle delay annoying as well. I’ve found that rolling onto the gas works much better - when stock or tuned. Partial throttle feels much quicker in the lower and midrange.

Edit: another thing to mention is all those guys you raced are turbo too.. they could be brake boosting while you’re not. Makes a huge difference when you brake boost in a roll race. It’s kinda like two-stepping from a dig... it loads up the motor and spools the turbo.

They weren't brake boosting since none of those races were from a stop. We have an empty stretch of road about 2.5 miles, and we usually cruise at 15-20mph and do the 3 honks and go till 80MPH. I am not a fan of hard launching the car as I feel even without brake boosting it is very hard on the transmission, and a few of those races were against RWD so I am sure I would've been able to get an advantage just due to tire spin. I leave it in manual mode and shift a little before redline (so at like 6k RPM), and I know the turbo is spooled because going at 20mph in first gear puts the car at like 3000 rpm. I just remember the B8s feeling so much faster stock. The B9 always feels like it's faster after its "second wind", so when I floor it initially it feels laggy and like it is revving slowly, but then once it shifts it picks up speed more quickly than the initial WOT. I am curious to do this with another S5 sportback and see how I compare - I heard some people get slugs from the factory and some people get ringers. Luck of the draw I guess.

[Rob01S4]

I mean brake boosting from a roll. It’s hard on the brakes not the transmission.

[CurvesAhead]

My 19 S5 has zero lag and launches off the line quickly. APR measure the HP of the stock S5 at 397 HP, I have no reason to disbelieve them.

APR Calibration Report-STAGE

APR Calibration Report
STAGE
HP
TQ
MAX GAIN
MAX GAIN
Stock As Reported by Audi
349 HP
369 FT-LBS


Stock As Measured by APR
397 HP
395 FT-LBS


Attachment 212431

[theroidee]

My 19 S5 has zero lag and launches off the line quickly. APR measure the HP of the stock S5 at 397 HP, I have no reason to disbelieve them.

APR Calibration Report-STAGE

APR Calibration Report
STAGE
HP
TQ
MAX GAIN
MAX GAIN
Stock As Reported by Audi
349 HP
369 FT-LBS


Stock As Measured by APR
397 HP
395 FT-LBS


Attachment 212431

This is on 93 octane.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Rob01S4]

My 19 S5 has zero lag and launches off the line quickly. APR measure the HP of the stock S5 at 397 HP, I have no reason to disbelieve them.

APR Calibration Report-STAGE

APR Calibration Report
STAGE
HP
TQ
MAX GAIN
MAX GAIN
Stock As Reported by Audi
349 HP
369 FT-LBS


Stock As Measured by APR
397 HP
395 FT-LBS


Attachment 212431

Maybe you’re used to slower cars so the S5 feels quick? Not trolling - a legit suggestion. All of my previous cars (in the past 4 years) and current have been over 400hp so to me the S5 is about average. I’m tuned now and it feels much better.

[ssanderson1]

G70 3.3T competes with S4/5 no? I figure the RS5 would be quicker by quite the margin considering 365hp vs 444 hp

I will also note - my untuned S5 has pretty much lost to all my friends cars I have raced, and in most cases pretty badly (all of em from a roll). From a stock MT 340i ZHP, Stage 1 Mustang Ecoboost, stock Kia Stinger GT, stock C43 convertible (this one was embarrassing), stock G20 M340i xdrive (put like 5 cars on me), stock Q50 RedSport, and last but not least - I got SMOKED by buddies stock 21 Supra, he put a few bus lengths on my S5. I knew Supras were fast, but first time we pulled from 20 he legit thought I forgot to hit the gas pedal because he pulled on me so badly. Every single time we ran, I purposely got the jump but even going early he would pass me like I was not moving. Audi claims the S5 has 350HP, but it definitely feels less than that. It feels fat, slow, and full of cholesterol. Every time I race people I always press the pedal early and even with the delay my friends still get the jump somehow, because that's how awful this car is programmed with the pedal/trans. My last mod will be to get an ecu/tcu tune, but if it doesn't help with the sportiness of the car I am trading it in next year for a 718. I've had the car since July 2019 and only put 6k miles on it because I am always grabbing the keys to the other cars (Mazda 6 for daily, and 911 for the canyons).

FMIC and EPL tune and you'll have a very different car. I smoked a 2019 mustang gt (muffler delete) yesterday from 40-110, just kept pulling away from him. Raced a stock base C7 and just barely nosed him out. I'm in Texas, so I have easy access to 93 and E85...so you'd def be slower running 91, but the tune and FMIC makes such a dramatic difference. I'm trapping through the 1/4 at 118-119 mph. Definitely no slouch.

[JohnEnglish]

Are you guys running 93 on a tune? I put 93 and 94 a few times into my stock S5. All I got was sooty exhaust tips.

[Rob01S4]

93 here

[oc cc]

Maybe you’re used to slower cars so the S5 feels quick? Not trolling - a legit suggestion. All of my previous cars (in the past 4 years) and current have been over 400hp so to me the S5 is about average. I’m tuned now and it feels much better.

You know what I think it is honestly? The way all cars are design now (electric steering, priority on reducing NVH, etc.), many of the inputs that make a car feel sharp are purposely tuned out. My dads old CLS 550 was like this - I am sure it was very fast objectively were I to time it's 0-60 or 1/4mile, but for a twin turbo V8 it felt kind of sluggish, almost like it was making less hp than advertised. Light steering, air suspension, heavy curb weight (4000lb+), laggy transmission, etc. I am sure contributed to both his car and mine feeling like it is skewed towards luxury vs sport. More understandable in the CLS 500, not so much in an S5 though.

On the other hand, my moms Panamera 4S feels perfect - I definitely wouldn't call it a sports car, but it shifts quick, has direct/precise steering (no dead spot), makes all the right noises and "brrraapppss" on shift, feels lighter/quicker than it is, and overall hits more of the mark of what I would call a sports sedan. S5 is a luxury sedan meant to look sporty. On my car, the transmission bucks like a cheap imitation of a dual clutch when I put it in sport mode, so I get all the roughness combined with the pedal lag (improved with 034 mount, but its the TCU tuning honestly, feels horrible). Butt dyno says regular Drive mode feels faster honestly, minus the horrendous bucking.

We shall see, only mods left for me to do are ECU/TCU Tune, Intercooler and possibly intake (if APR has a CARB certified one out by then). I noticed a lot of the tuning threads have tons of info like 1/4 miles and draggy slips and GPS data, but my priority is improving driving feel, both in smoothness AND an sporty input/response. Hopefully APR or EPL are making the cars more FUN than simply just upping boost and making them fast. I have been in cars "custom tuned" to the ragged edge I am always in shock how someone could drive a car like that as a daily. I'd prefer less HP, but more refinement in the pedal, TCU tuning, and overall engine response.

[HurrayFive]

G70 3.3T competes with S4/5 no? I figure the RS5 would be quicker by quite the margin considering 365hp vs 444 hp

I will also note - my untuned S5 has pretty much lost to all my friends cars I have raced, and in most cases pretty badly (all of em from a roll). From a stock MT 340i ZHP, Stage 1 Mustang Ecoboost, stock Kia Stinger GT, stock C43 convertible (this one was embarrassing), stock G20 M340i xdrive (put like 5 cars on me), stock Q50 RedSport, and last but not least - I got SMOKED by buddies stock 21 Supra, he put a few bus lengths on my S5. I knew Supras were fast, but first time we pulled from 20 he legit thought I forgot to hit the gas pedal because he pulled on me so badly. Every single time we ran, I purposely got the jump but even going early he would pass me like I was not moving. Audi claims the S5 has 350HP, but it definitely feels less than that. It feels fat, slow, and full of cholesterol. Every time I race people I always press the pedal early and even with the delay my friends still get the jump somehow, because that's how awful this car is programmed with the pedal/trans. My last mod will be to get an ecu/tcu tune, but if it doesn't help with the sportiness of the car I am trading it in next year for a 718. I've had the car since July 2019 and only put 6k miles on it because I am always grabbing the keys to the other cars (Mazda 6 for daily, and 911 for the canyons).

I think 91 octane and maybe elevation has not been your friend? Though the Sportback is also about 80lbs heavier than the S4 or S5 coupe. I ran a 12.71 @ 108MPH in my S5 coupe 100% stock in my only attempt, let the car shift itself, full weight, that alone spanks just about everything you mentioned except the Supra and 340. Stinger GT's and RedSport's are everywhere here and have had multiple friendly freeway encounters, even stock, it wasn't close (talking bus lengths), so not sure why your experience is the opposite. Tuned for tuned, the S4/5 is running faster and trapping a few MPH higher than either of those. (The M40i and Supra are both just faster cars, tuned or stock, so expect to get beat there)

With EPL's 93 octane tune and an intercooler, I'm trapping 117MPH in the S5 now, 3.4 0-60 and consistent 11.7's (again, just mashing the gas and letting the car shift itself, nothing fancy) It wasn't slow stock, but now it's proper quick and has walked anything that has tried to play so far (though, granted, not a lot has). Me and a brand new RS5 (still had the dealer temp plate) had a friendly on-ramp run last week, is this one on-ramp that's about 1/4 mile long with two lanes that merge in the end and I had them by 1.5ish cars by the time we merged, was friendly and gave the thumbs up before they got off at the next exit. EPL's 93 tune should be putting out at least 450HP/500TQ based on the numbers a whole bunch of folks have ran, though likely it's a bit more than that.

I do think we all agree that the 8 speed auto could be tuned better on the S models, but a stage 1 tune and an intercooler (to make things super repeatable, like back-to-back-to-back 11.81, 11.80, 11.79, hah) make a HUGE difference in this car, would definitely at least give it a try. After the tune, drive it in manual mode most of the time, and it's a blast w/ proper throttle response. Nothing is going to make a Sportback feel like a 718, just different driving experiences, but the tune makes it a hell of a lot more fun to drive, puts a smile on my face every time I get a brief part throttle squirt on open road.

[CurvesAhead]

I think 91 octane and maybe elevation has not been your friend? Though the Sportback is also about 80lbs heavier than the S4 or S5 coupe. I ran a 12.71 @ 108MPH in my S5 coupe 100% stock in my only attempt, let the car shift itself, full weight, that alone spanks just about everything you mentioned except the Supra and 340. Stinger GT's and RedSport's are everywhere here and have had multiple friendly freeway encounters, even stock, it wasn't close (talking bus lengths), so not sure why your experience is the opposite. Tuned for tuned, the S4/5 is running faster and trapping a few MPH higher than either of those. (The M40i and Supra are both just faster cars, tuned or stock, so expect to get beat there)

With EPL's 93 octane tune and an intercooler, I'm trapping 117MPH in the S5 now, 3.4 0-60 and consistent 11.7's (again, just mashing the gas and letting the car shift itself, nothing fancy) It wasn't slow stock, but now it's proper quick and has walked anything that has tried to play so far (though, granted, not a lot has). Me and a brand new RS5 (still had the dealer temp plate) had a friendly on-ramp run last week, is this one on-ramp that's about 1/4 mile long with two lanes that merge in the end and I had them by 1.5ish cars by the time we merged, was friendly and gave the thumbs up before they got off at the next exit. EPL's 93 tune should be putting out at least 450HP/500TQ based on the numbers a whole bunch of folks have ran, though likely it's a bit more than that.

I do think we all agree that the 8 speed auto could be tuned better on the S models, but a stage 1 tune and an intercooler (to make things super repeatable, like back-to-back-to-back 11.81, 11.80, 11.79, hah) make a HUGE difference in this car, would definitely at least give it a try. After the tune, drive it in manual mode most of the time, and it's a blast w/ proper throttle response. Nothing is going to make a Sportback feel like a 718, just different driving experiences, but the tune makes it a hell of a lot more fun to drive, puts a smile on my face every time I get a brief part throttle squirt on open road.

My compliments to a great post, nicely done!

[HurrayFive]

My compliments to a great post, nicely done!

TY! 👍

[Miranda@Nemesis]

Well I hope you beat him, considering your RS5 nearly 100 HP more than him, assuming the G70 had the 3.3T.

I still think it's a nice car for the money.

[Desert Dead]

Well I hope you beat him, considering your RS5 nearly 100 HP more than him, assuming the G70 had the 3.3T.

I still think it's a nice car for the money.

No doubt. I can’t think of a car I’d rather have for the money.


Still sorta scratching my head about the OP.

[303 Spartan]

I got SMOKED by buddies stock 21 Supra, he put a few bus lengths on my S5. I knew Supras were fast, but first time we pulled from 20 he legit thought I forgot to hit the gas pedal because he pulled on me so badly.

2021 Supra: ~3,350lbs and 382hp/368lb-ft TQ
2019 S5 Sportback: ~3,950lbs and 354hp/369lb-ft TQ

I am not surprised a stock Supra, weighing 600lbs less with more HP and same TQ, put a few car lengths on a stock S5. Especially given the slow shifting transmission in the S5.

No doubt. I can’t think of a car I’d rather have for the money.

Still sorta scratching my head about the OP.

I read the OP and thought, eh he must have been posting while intoxicated.

I must say, I'm constantly surprised by how hyper-focused S5/RS5 owners seem to be on 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, here. At the end of the day it's a gussied up 4,000 lb family sedan. Even the coupe is pushing 3,900 lbs. Sure, these cars are super sporty and plenty fast. But it's pretty far down the list of cars I'd recommend if straight line performance is really that high up on your priority list.

[oc cc]

I must say, I'm constantly surprised by how hyper-focused S5/RS5 owners seem to be on 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, here. At the end of the day it's a gussied up 4,000 lb family sedan. Even the coupe is pushing 3,900 lbs. Sure, these cars are super sporty and plenty fast. But it's pretty far down the list of cars I'd recommend if straight line performance is really that high up on your priority list.

Because it feels like the older B8/.5s with the SC V6 and DCT felt sportier, even though those cars were pretty heavy too. Have you driven the new M340xi? It's crazy how fast it is, I have driven a friends and it totally does NOT feel its weight/size, and everything from the ZF 8sp to the throttle mapping was spot on, made me feel like Audi really phoned it in. M340i xdrive curb weight? 3,968lbs.

I guess the issue for me is, while all these cars are similar on paper in terms of 0-60, drivetrain layout (turbu 6cyl + AWD), etc. I truly felt the C43 and M340i were much more in line with the "sports sedan" ethos. Once again, I am not obsessed with 0-60 or anything, and I am sure my car is as fast as the others when C/D or Motortrend tests them. But in regular day-to-day scenarios, the tuning is absolutely atrocious. Making a right from my community onto a major busy intersection I have 2 options: put it in D and slowly creep into oncoming traffic while my car is napping and I almost shit myself before it picks up, or put it in S and right when it is time to go I basically buck into the street in a jarring manner that sometimes scares the other drivers. Hence my preference to just take my Mazda 6 - excellent balance of comfort and sport, amazing steering, perfectly calibrated throttle and transmission. Next gen supposedly Mazda is making the 6 a supercharged 6cyl on a RWD platform (AWD available with the hybrid SC 6), and assuming it looks as good as their current lineup I am probably going to trade the S5 in for one (my Cayman search for a used 981 GTS or 718 S is not proving fruitful).

It's so weird finally getting my dream car (S4/S5) and being so disappointed with it. Lots of wind noise, uncomfortable seats, terrible tuning of everything (how can a car have BOTH a floaty suspension that is simultaneously terrible on anything but a bowling lane). C43 was too small and at the time only the F32 440i was available and not as good as the new gen (newest ones have a great digital cockpit), so I got the Audi based on looks and interior tech/space. Totally smitten by its practicality and its aesthetic, I was sorely disappointed on the very drive back home (an hour away) with an achy back, bad ride quality (stock 20s are not forgiving), and overall felt like while the interior was an order of magnitude better than the B8s, the driving dynamics for sure took a hit. Why the ZF8 speed is so much better in the BMWs I have driven, I do not know. I will say this - my most memorable moments in this car have been when I took it camping and when we went to a few drive in movies with the lady and we were able to put the seats down and lay in the back like the other SUVs. I am a big guy (6ft, 230 lbs) and both of us fit comfortable back there. Couldn't do that in a C43 or 440 gran coupe!

[303 Spartan]

I can't speak for the S5, but the RS5 definitely feels faster and sportier than the dual pulley, EPL tuned B8.5 S4 I used to drive. The S4 didn't feel nearly as nimble as the RS5 does, despite weighing about the same.

As for the M340xi... I have never driven one. But I did have an F80 M3 between the S4 and my current RS5. I'd be lying if I said the M3 didn't feel faster than both of the others, especially in the corners. It's definitely more of a "driver's car" and I've read that the M340i feels very similar. Even exceeding the M3 with some minor modifications.

As for the Mazda... I'm with you there. When we were finishing the paperwork on my wife's Mazda CX-5 Signature last summer, I sat in the showroom Mazda 6 and absolutely loved the interior and even enjoyed the exterior styling. I've heard rumors that Mazda is going to come out with a refreshed AWD Speed6 with more aggressive styling. Don't get me wrong, I love my RS5. But between the Speed 6 and the AWD G80 M3 that's potentially getting released within the next 12 months, I'll have some serious decisions to make when the itch comes for something new.

Granted, I've only had the RS5 since March and I did promise the wife I'd hold onto this car for at least 3 years. So I've got some time to continue enjoying it.

[oc cc]

Only deal-breaker with the M3/4 is the grill, I seriously can't get over it. Mercedes looking very generic with their latest lumpy blob headlights and super weird alien interiors. I'd probably get an M340i and just tune it. More than enough power, and it has a normally proportioned grill.

Regarding the RS5 you have, it would feel much faster/sportier than the previous gen V8. That mill did not have much tq to work with, it wailed nice in the higher RPMs, but it also felt more nose heavy than the current RS5. So in the regard, I feel B9 RS5 > B8 RS5, but B9 S4/S5 < B8 S4/S5. Keep your RS5, it is honestly a GREAT "normal person" car - large, tons of trunk space, looks good, gas mileage isn't bad if you drive it normally. Even if you get another crazy toy like a Lambo, I feel the RS5 is still worth keeping just to use. My S5 trunk is bigger than my moms Panamera, which is pretty impressive. It is honestly a great alternative for people like me who love avants but don't like the look of the allroads. Sportback is more practical than the sedan, but has better styling than the plastic cladded allroads.

[Nick999]

I was a beamer guy before this audi purchase. I have owned a few over the years: 2004 e46 m3, 2008 e63 m6 and a 97 740il for good measure(favorite of the bunch). The styling has changed for the worse in my opinion which is what got me to purchase an audi because I was hunting m4s, but the cars have always been superbly tuned especially their m series cars. The new m340 reminds me of what the e36 was trying to be.

[Burrcold]

Speed and handling...RS5 >>M430i>>S4/5

[JWreck]

Making a right from my community onto a major busy intersection I have 2 options: put it in D and slowly creep into oncoming traffic while my car is napping and I almost shit myself before it picks up, or put it in S and right when it is time to go I basically buck into the street in a jarring manner that sometimes scares the other drivers.

Totally smitten by its practicality and its aesthetic, I was sorely disappointed on the very drive back home (an hour away) with an achy back, bad ride quality (stock 20s are not forgiving), and overall felt like while the interior was an order of magnitude better than the B8s, the driving dynamics for sure took a hit.

The first statement made me laugh - it’s true though. It’s either super lethargic or you’re fighting the torque converter from pulling you out into the intersection at a stop.

On the harshness, I had the benefit of coming from a ‘17 C63S, so the RS5 felt like I was riding a dream cloud by comparison. However after 1 year, I can safely say the wheels aren’t the problem for me, it’s the loud clunks from the rear suspension that are the problem. It still rides OK but every bump is exacerbated by the clunks making it seem worse than it is.

[eightamrock]

The first statement made me laugh - it’s true though. It’s either super lethargic or you’re fighting the torque converter from pulling you out into the intersection at a stop.

On the harshness, I had the benefit of coming from a ‘17 C63S, so the RS5 felt like I was riding a dream cloud by comparison. However after 1 year, I can safely say the wheels aren’t the problem for me, it’s the loud clunks from the rear suspension that are the problem. It still rides OK but every bump is exacerbated by the clunks making it seem worse than it is.

20” wheels are just harsh, I am personally downsizing to 19’s because of the terrible road conditions i travel on daily in the NE. I also think they will have a slightly smoother ride. What makes it worse on the RS5 is the lack of a “middle” setting on the dynamic suspension. Even on the Golf R there was sport, normal, and comfort. Would it be so bad to have something in the middle on these cars between Aggressive and Grandma?

This could easily be a software update.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[303 Spartan]

....
Regarding the RS5 you have, it would feel much faster/sportier than the previous gen V8. That mill did not have much tq to work with, it wailed nice in the higher RPMs, but it also felt more nose heavy than the current RS5. So in the regard, I feel B9 RS5 > B8 RS5, but B9 S4/S5 < B8 S4/S5. ...

Just for the sake of clarity, my previous Audi was a B8.5 S4 with the v6. Not an RS4 with the v8. My previous B8.5 S4 with full stage 2 upgrades did not feel as fast in a straight line or as nimble in corners as my stage 1 B9 RS5.

Aside from that, I agree with your other points.

[JohnEnglish]

20” wheels are just harsh, I am personally downsizing to 19’s because of the terrible road conditions i travel on daily in the NE. I also think they will have a slightly smoother ride. What makes it worse on the RS5 is the lack of a “middle” setting on the dynamic suspension. Even on the Golf R there was sport, normal, and comfort. Would it be so bad to have something in the middle on these cars between Aggressive and Grandma?

This could easily be a software update.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have the DRC on my RS5 and have Comfort, Auto, and Dynamic. Auto is firmer than Comfort but not as stiff as Dynamic.

[eightamrock]

I have the DRC on my RS5 and have Comfort, Auto, and Dynamic. Auto is firmer than Comfort but not as stiff as Dynamic.

I thought auto just flipped between comfort and dynamic based on how hard you were mashing the pedal?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[JohnEnglish]

I thought auto just flipped between comfort and dynamic based on how hard you were mashing the pedal?

That's what I thought too but it does seem to be a middle ground between Comfort and Dynamic unless it's switching between the two really rapidly.

edit - This bit on the Audi Canada website seems to imply that there's only two settings, "Comfortable" and "Sporty" and implies that auto selects between the two.

https://www.audi.ca/ca/web/en/search...ve-Select.html

[Burrcold]

I thought auto just flipped between comfort and dynamic based on how hard you were mashing the pedal?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This is how I thought it was as well which is why I keep my suspension set to Comfort all the time. Dynamic in the RS5 is way too firm and bouncy to me.

[eightamrock]

That's what I thought too but it does seem to be a middle ground between Comfort and Dynamic unless it's switching between the two really rapidly.

edit - This bit on the Audi Canada website seems to imply that there's only two settings, "Comfortable" and "Sporty" and implies that auto selects between the two.

https://www.audi.ca/ca/web/en/search...ve-Select.html

Found this one on a different site which confirms more of the balancing between the two modes.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[oc cc]

This brings another point I HATE about modern cars - dynamic suspension. Not to be a broken record, but my Mazda has a basic suspension set up that is tuned to perfection. It does not have any drive modes, just standard suspension where you can feel the engineers REALLY found the secret sauce. Soaks up bumps like a dream, but turn-in, steering, and load transfer are PERFECT and approachable/predictable. I've hit some nasty potholes in this thing and it barely disoriented the suspension. In my S5, just riding in a rut on a freeway causes it to tramline and any major bump causes the whole rear end to shimmy (much improved since suspension upgrade, but still not perfect). Most cars Comfort = sloppy/float, Sport = back breaking stiff and unusable for daily driving. So you are stuck choosing one or the other. I'd prefer a less "Jekyll and Hyde" personality and just get one static suspension set up that's done great from the factory. A lot of cars also have the opposite affect - supposedly steering, throttle, and suspension change in different drive modes, but I could barely tell a difference. Some cars it's really done well (Vette with magnetic suspension comes to mind), but otherwise I am not a fan.

[Kamauxx]

G70 3.3T competes with S4/5 no? I figure the RS5 would be quicker by quite the margin considering 365hp vs 444 hp

I will also note - my untuned S5 has pretty much lost to all my friends cars I have raced, and in most cases pretty badly (all of em from a roll). stock Kia Stinger GT

I had a modded Stinger GT1. I traded it last year for a 540i. Sold the 540i and got a S5 in September.

The Stinger with downpipe, intake, exhaust, and JB4 felt about identical to my S5 with JB4. The 540i was tuned with BM3's 93 oct stage 1 and felt considerably slower than both the Stinger and S5.

The Stinger has a higher top speed, so depending on how wild you get in your roll races you'd have a hard time beating one stock v stock.

A stock S5 really isn't a fast car. Years ago 350 hp was a lot. Now, not so much. I bought my car in another state and drove over 1k miles home and the entire time all I could think of is how I couldn't wait to start modding it.

[eightamrock]

I had a modded Stinger GT1. I traded it last year for a 540i. Sold the 540i and got a S5 in September.

The Stinger with downpipe, intake, exhaust, and JB4 felt about identical to my S5 with JB4. The 540i was tuned with BM3's 93 oct stage 1 and felt considerably slower than both the Stinger and S5.

The Stinger has a higher top speed, so depending on how wild you get in your roll races you'd have a hard time beating one stock v stock.

A stock S5 really isn't a fast car. Years ago 350 hp was a lot. Now, not so much. I bought my car in another state and drove over 1k miles home and the entire time all I could think of is how I couldn't wait to start modding it.

I agree with this. Was my main gripe on my B8.5 S4. For the price it should have come with 400hp from the factory.

I did a full stage 2+ dual pulley setup on it and it finally felt like it achieved its potential.

I also did a full suspension on it with PSS10’s. I have to say I think the coilovers had a better balance of sport and comfort than the stock DRC does in any mode.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[RudyH]

all this drag racing talk, wouldn't a RS5 be dull and boring compared to a Hellcat, which costs about the same? lol

seriously though, the launch on the G70 3.3T, maybe it's Hyundai's own transmission or the way the suspension is set-up that doesn't put the power down. I'm sure when someone puts a JB4 on the 3.3T, the butt dyno gets a little out of whack to think it competes with a RS5.

That said, I really think minus the interior, the G70 is within the top 2 in it's segment, and would be interesting if Hyundai brought a 'N' model out for it. The 2022 is quite interesting, and would lean a tad towards it over a S4/S5. I do miss Audi interiors though, and I racked up a lot of mileage on the highway cruises because of it. End of day, the toughest part is breaking through the German stigma - ask Cadillac

[JohnEnglish]

Well part of the issue with Cadillac is that the cars performed really well and were loved by reviewers but the interiors were huge letdowns. I was looking at a previous gen CTS-V when they were new a few years ago. Its gauge cluster looked like it was from a Chevy Cobalt and they front seats rocked back and forth when you sat in them. The quick thinking salesman told me they were designed like that to help absorb "the extreme acceleration forces".