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    Am I seeing that right? No Florrett Silver option for the 21' RS5?
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    Happy to see the flat bottom steering wheel is still an option on the 21 RS5. It's been removed from all other S models. The only thing I'd love on the 21 over the 19 is the touch screen...
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    Quote Originally Posted by eightamrock View Post
    Happy to see the flat bottom steering wheel is still an option on the 21 RS5. It's been removed from all other S models. The only thing I'd love on the 21 over the 19 is the touch screen...
    The Audi flat bottom steering wheel is iconic, I am also glad it is available, but in the US it is only available as a part of launch packages: one of them is 20K and the second one is 12K. Not only that, but if the 12K package is selected, only red stitched seats are an option. In short, there is no way to order a car with Rock Gray stitching and flat bottom steering wheel. Hopefully they will offer more flexible configuration in the future.

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    After looking at the '21 build options, I'm really glad I snagged a '19.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Buck View Post
    After looking at the '21 build options, I'm really glad I snagged a '19.
    Agreed. No Florett Silver and no flat bottom steering wheel without paying for the $20k or $12k package options.

    At least now, US customers can finally add the black rings/badges from the factory for $300. That's not a bad deal, at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 303 Spartan View Post
    Agreed. No Florett Silver and no flat bottom steering wheel without paying for the $20k or $12k package options.

    At least now, US customers can finally add the black rings/badges from the factory for $300. That's not a bad deal, at least.
    Audi USA's product planning just baffles me sometimes - RS buyers (and I speak for myself) want flexibility, not packages. They treat us like we're buying a Buick.
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    No air suspension either? Damn 2021 options are weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Buck View Post
    After looking at the '21 build options, I'm really glad I snagged a '19.
    100% agreed. I absolutely love my 5 arm peak milled and forged wheels! Crazy they are not an option. I thought there was going to be a bronze option, which I would have liked on my Glacier white.
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    Why on earth is the flat bottom not standard? I don't really even like how the facelift looks. Glad I grabbed an 18 now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 303 Spartan View Post
    At least now, US customers can finally add the black rings/badges from the factory for $300. That's not a bad deal, at least.
    I ordered my '19 with black badges from the factory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1flossedS4 View Post
    Why on earth is the flat bottom not standard? I don't really even like how the facelift looks. Glad I grabbed an 18 now.
    The only thing semi interesting about facelift are the lights. And maybe only really the front. I'm on the fence about the new brake lights

    Don't like the new rear diffuser and the little vent in front of the hood i could take it or leave it.

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    So if you just do the standard BO package (non launch edition) you still have to order the black rings package separately? Ridiculous. As for the BO launch package, the only thing I’d opt out of is drivers assistance, the rest I’d prob get anyway. Not crazy about the alcantara handle and wheel - prefer perf leather. At least they kept the flat bottom. Which begs the question, why can’t you get flat bottom on the 2021 S5? The conjecture was that it’s because they aren’t building hands on tech into the flat bottom at this point. If so, they could have just left that tech out of the DAP on the S5 like they are doing here. Glad I got a 2020 for that reason.

    Seems odd to have launch packages on a mid cycle refresh IMO but obviously the product planning dept won out on this round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetCityQuattro View Post
    So if you just do the standard BO package (non launch edition) you still have to order the black rings package separately?
    Yeah its a bit counterintuitive, but that's how it was even on the B9. The same way they stuck the CF engine cover in the Dynamic Plus package....speaking of which, I do not see that mentioned anywhere now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1flossedS4 View Post
    Why on earth is the flat bottom not standard? I don't really even like how the facelift looks. Glad I grabbed an 18 now.
    Because you'd be surprised how many people have to have a heated steering wheel.

    Quote Originally Posted by JetCityQuattro View Post
    So if you just do the standard BO package (non launch edition) you still have to order the black rings package separately? Ridiculous. As for the BO launch package, the only thing I’d opt out of is drivers assistance, the rest I’d prob get anyway. Not crazy about the alcantara handle and wheel - prefer perf leather. At least they kept the flat bottom. Which begs the question, why can’t you get flat bottom on the 2021 S5? The conjecture was that it’s because they aren’t building hands on tech into the flat bottom at this point. If so, they could have just left that tech out of the DAP on the S5 like they are doing here. Glad I got a 2020 for that reason.

    Seems odd to have launch packages on a mid cycle refresh IMO but obviously the product planning dept won out on this round.

    If anyone is ordering a Daytona with BO launch and wants to pre negotiate a sale in 24-36 months, DM ME! Lol.
    BO package has never, typically, included black badges (though there have been exceptions).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR_RS5_SB View Post
    I ordered my '19 with black badges from the factory.
    Interesting. I must have been mistaken. I was under the impression that black badges simply weren't an option for the US market. Granted, it wouldn't be the first time a dealer made crap up to try and push a sale through on a new car they had readily available.

    Though, it really wasn't a big deal to order the OEM black ring/badges after the fact and install them myself. With that in mind, I'm kind of surprised Audi is only charging $300 for that option. The OEM parts alone are $350+ from audiusaparts.com and cars245.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davewg View Post
    Because you'd be surprised how many people have to have a heated steering wheel.



    BO package has never, typically, included black badges (though there have been exceptions).
    I realize that, but since they are offering them in the launch package it seems they should be part of the standard BO as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davewg View Post
    Because you'd be surprised how many people have to have a heated steering wheel.



    BO package has never, typically, included black badges (though there have been exceptions).
    I live in a very cold fall/winter climate and I suck it up. I don't love heated wheels as my hands get too hot. Maybe I'm the oddity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1flossedS4 View Post
    I live in a very cold fall/winter climate and I suck it up. I don't love heated wheels as my hands get too hot. Maybe I'm the oddity.
    My wife's CX-5 Signature has a heated wheel and I personally don't think it's that great. Perhaps Audi's implementation is better. But on my wife's car, it's only heated like 4" at the 10 and 2 positions. As a result, you only get to utilize it when you're driving in a straight line. Needless to say, it's something I can easily live without. Though, I know everyone has their own personal preferences.
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    There has been talk about not being able to combine heating with the steering wheel having some sort of capacitive touch sensor that is used for the autonomous driving features. This is messing up which wheels are being spec'd with new cars in the US and Canada.

    Canada gets a non-heated flat-bottom wheel with the new RS6 while the US gets a heated round wheel with the RS6 standard. Seems a bit backwards.

    I see zero evidence of a capacitive sensor in any wiring diagram for any new Audi steering wheel. I am however noticing a trend, no heated steering wheels for cars that have higher level autonomous driving functions in certain regions.

    My mildly educated guesses are: 1) there may be laws that come into play about a wheel being heated that has to be touched, either that heating can cause someone to want to take their hand off the wheel cause it gets too warm or 2) the way the heating works can interfere with the very sensitive way that the car that picks up a hand putting super light pressure on the steering wheel probably reading at the slip ring for a minimal amount of torque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1flossedS4 View Post
    I live in a very cold fall/winter climate and I suck it up. I don't love heated wheels as my hands get too hot. Maybe I'm the oddity.
    I'd much rather have a flat bottom wheel, so I'm glad I do.

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    Now that the post-facelift taillights are available for pre-facelift models here Taillight Package | A5, S5, RS5 Post-Facelift LED (Highline), who wants to test the post-facelift matrix lights
    I'd be happy to be a guinea pig for those, but my charge to do so probably equals the cost of the lights ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chavez885 View Post
    No air suspension either? Damn 2021 options are weak.
    The RS5 doesn't come with air suspension anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    There has been talk about not being able to combine heating with the steering wheel having some sort of capacitive touch sensor that is used for the autonomous driving features. This is messing up which wheels are being spec'd with new cars in the US and Canada.

    Canada gets a non-heated flat-bottom wheel with the new RS6 while the US gets a heated round wheel with the RS6 standard. Seems a bit backwards.

    I see zero evidence of a capacitive sensor in any wiring diagram for any new Audi steering wheel. I am however noticing a trend, no heated steering wheels for cars that have higher level autonomous driving functions in certain regions.

    My mildly educated guesses are: 1) there may be laws that come into play about a wheel being heated that has to be touched, either that heating can cause someone to want to take their hand off the wheel cause it gets too warm or 2) the way the heating works can interfere with the very sensitive way that the car that picks up a hand putting super light pressure on the steering wheel probably reading at the slip ring for a minimal amount of torque.

    Will be doing a bit more work to open up more steering wheel options to B9 and B9.5 owners in the coming month.

    Now that the post-facelift taillights are available for pre-facelift models here Taillight Package | A5, S5, RS5 Post-Facelift LED (Highline), who wants to test the post-facelift matrix lights
    There is some capacitive technology involved as I've seen a few reviews of the facelifted RS4 & RS5 mention that they were told by Audi that some driver assistance features now requires you to keep your hands on the steering wheel for the features to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnEnglish View Post
    There is some capacitive technology involved as I've seen a few reviews of the facelifted RS4 & RS5 mention that they were told by Audi that some driver assistance features now requires you to keep your hands on the steering wheel for the features to work.
    I have been told this as well, but with that in mind there are no new steering wheel part numbers. There is no new wiring in the harness. There is nothing in any wiring diagram for any '20+ model that shows a separate sensor in the wheel. Based on that my guess hand on the wheel is detected by the slip ring and torque applied to the wheel even at the lightest amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    I have been told this as well, but with that in mind there are no new steering wheel part numbers. There is no new wiring in the harness. There is nothing in any wiring diagram for any '20+ model that shows a separate sensor in the wheel. Based on that my guess hand on the wheel is detected by the slip ring and torque applied to the wheel even at the lightest amount.

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    Hmm, that would make sense. At the same time, I’ve seen picture of the 2021 S5 interior and it seems to come with the hexagonal style air bag steering wheel that the C8 cars have. I wonder if that has capacitive tech in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnEnglish View Post
    Hmm, that would make sense. At the same time, I’ve seen picture of the 2021 S5 interior and it seems to come with the hexagonal style air bag steering wheel that the C8 cars have. I wonder if that has capacitive tech in it.

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    Those wheels do show an option specifically for lane keeping and traffic jam assist specifically. So Audi may be moving to wheels with that capacitive touch sensing and wiring diagrams don't show it yet. None of those wheels have a heated option.

    That shape airbag is of original A4, Q3, Q5, Q7 wheels. The C8 airbag is wider and more wedge shaped. Round airbags are much better looking IMHO. Seems like it might be harder for folks with lane keeping/traffic jam to upgrade to a flat-bottom but not ruled out yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnEnglish View Post
    The RS5 doesn't come with air suspension anywhere.
    I know, but it should ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by chavez885 View Post
    I know, but it should ;)
    After seeing that the 2021 RS6/RS7 owners with air suspension can lower their car 20mm with nothing but a scan tool, I completely agree. Imagine being able to pick your ride height without changing any suspension hardware. I'm jealous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eightamrock View Post
    Happy to see the flat bottom steering wheel is still an option on the 21 RS5. It's been removed from all other S models. The only thing I'd love on the 21 over the 19 is the touch screen...
    The touch screen and new MMI...is horrible. Be thankful you have the dial MMI...and homelink to open your garage door with one touch, w/o your car having to be stopped.

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    Yikes! What did they do to the 2021 MY. Ick. Had an S6 as a loaner and the touchscreens were just too much. This is coming from a heavy touch (mobile) user.
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    Just ordered a 21 RS5 SB last week to replace my S5 not to thrilled about not having a flat bottom steering wheel, but oh well not much I can do...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 997GT3Girly View Post
    Just ordered a 21 RS5 SB last week to replace my S5 not to thrilled about not having a flat bottom steering wheel, but oh well not much I can do...
    The $12k black optic launch edition package had the flat bottom. Did you order the $20k Ascarai or the Carbon package?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eightamrock View Post
    The $12k black optic launch edition package had the flat bottom. Did you order the $20k Ascarai or the Carbon package?
    No waited to long to order and you can't order any Launch Edition Packages anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 303 Spartan View Post
    Interesting. I must have been mistaken. I was under the impression that black badges simply weren't an option for the US market. Granted, it wouldn't be the first time a dealer made crap up to try and push a sale through on a new car they had readily available.

    Though, it really wasn't a big deal to order the OEM black ring/badges after the fact and install them myself. With that in mind, I'm kind of surprised Audi is only charging $300 for that option. The OEM parts alone are $350+ from audiusaparts.com and cars245.com.
    Try getaudiparts.com I got OEM front and rear black badges for $155. They expanded from the original getbmwparts from older Bimmerpost days.


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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Those wheels do show an option specifically for lane keeping and traffic jam assist specifically. So Audi may be moving to wheels with that capacitive touch sensing and wiring diagrams don't show it yet. None of those wheels have a heated option.

    That shape airbag is of original A4, Q3, Q5, Q7 wheels. The C8 airbag is wider and more wedge shaped. Round airbags are much better looking IMHO. Seems like it might be harder for folks with lane keeping/traffic jam to upgrade to a flat-bottom but not ruled out yet.

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    Alex - If a car is optioned without the driver assistance package, is a retrofit more likely?


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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankThomas View Post
    Alex - If a car is optioned without the driver assistance package, is a retrofit more likely?
    If the car doesn't have the driver's assistance package it would be a simple swap to the flat-bottom wheel then more than likely. Just want to check by VIN to see what wheel the car starts with and then it would be pretty obvious.

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