GTR vs RS3

[SinatraQ]

I recently sold my 2014 Stage 3 93oct GTR (downpipes, intake, 1050id injectors ,fuel pumps, STM mid pipe, HKS catback. Unsure what the HP was) for a 2017 Stock GTR (565 hp) and just sold my 2017 GTR for a 2019 RS3 to have a more daily driver for my living environment. Upstate New York.

The question is will a Stage 1+ E85 RS3 feel the same adrenaline 0-60 as my stock GTR or even the Stage 3? lmk!


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[bucolic]

In for replies to this question. GT-R was my dream car for about 5-6 years, but time seems to have passed it by unfortunately.

~700 hp with Stage III RS3 and lower cost of entry kinda helped sway my decision. A more useable back seat doesn't hurt either...

Stage II E85 & certainly Stage III hybrid turbo would eclipse a stock GT-R I'd think, handling out of the box would probably favor the GT-R though...

I'm not a GT-R owner though, just drove one stock at a HPDE once. Hoping to hear more replies!

[elijahallen]

When my car was stage 2 E85 it was faster than my buddies FBO GTR when he was on 93. I never got a chance to run him on E85 but I would assume he would be faster at that point. I have since added tte700 so I'll have to run him on E85 and see what happens.

[SinatraQ]

When my car was stage 2 E85 it was faster than my buddies FBO GTR when he was on 93. I never got a chance to run him on E85 but I would assume he would be faster at that point. I have since added tte700 so I'll have to run him on E85 and see what happens.

Okay thank you.


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[SinatraQ]

In for replies to this question. GT-R was my dream car for about 5-6 years, but time seems to have passed it by unfortunately.

~700 hp with Stage III RS3 and lower cost of entry kinda helped sway my decision. A more useable back seat doesn't hurt either...

Stage II E85 & certainly Stage III hybrid turbo would eclipse a stock GT-R I'd think, handling out of the box would probably favor the GT-R though...

I'm not a GT-R owner though, just drove one stock at a HPDE once. Hoping to hear more replies!

Was my dream car too but you get over it after a while and $1100/m versus $600/m RS3

[jd_rs3]

The question is will a Stage 1+ E85 RS3 feel the same adrenaline 0-60 as my stock GTR or even the Stage 3? lmk!

I broke this out to 2 questions...

1. Will a Stage 1+ E85 RS3 feel the same adrenaline 0-60 as my stock GTR? - My opinion is absolutely yes. I'd argue you get the biggest increase in power with a stage 1 tune. E85 will just add even more. I think most e85 RS3's have a downpipe and intercooler, but I could be wrong there. Do you plan to do either of these mods?


2. Will a Stage 1+ E85 RS3 feel the same adrenaline 0-60 as my stage 3 GTR? - Depends. By stage 3 GTR, do you mean upgraded turbos? If so, then the answer is no. If you are talking about a FBO GTR running e85, then I think it'll feel very similar.

Additional notes:
I've never owned or driven a GTR, but I've been in my friends 2011 FBO / E85 GTR, which ran 11.1 @ elevation here in Colorado. My stage 2 e85 Rs3 ran 10.8 and feels as fast if not faster, adrenaline wise, from 0 to whatever.

I've raced a 2014 FBO 93 octane GTR, which runs 11.2-11.4 @ elevation here in Colorado.

Hope that helps provide some insight and comparisons.

Follow up question:
Why not just go stage 2 e85 in your RS3? The downpipe and intercooler will allow you to run more aggressive tuning and are easy and cheap mods.

Good luck!

[Zenobius]

I recently sold my 2014 Stage 3 93oct GTR (unsure hp) for a 2017 Stock GTR (565 hp) and just sold my 2017 GTR for a 2019 RS3 to have a more daily driver for my living environment. Upstate New York.

The question is will a Stage 1+ E85 RS3 feel the same adrenaline 0-60 as my stock GTR or even the Stage 3? lmk!


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Saturday I hit the track trying to shoot for an 11.0 realistically but a delay put me 2 hours into the heat so my mph diminished vs what I run on dragy at night when I test. In the right lane was a GTR .. not sure if bone stock or modified but lets assume stock. My car 19 rs3 uni stage 1+ was on e65 that day stock ic and stock dp weight w/driver 3950lbs about as even as it gets (my car is heavy cause I'm heavy) here is the timeslip and video


https://ibb.co/tsjYJdJ


https://youtu.be/6LWzirg6T4o

[SinatraQ]

I broke this out to 2 questions...

Follow up question:
Why not just go stage 2 e85 in your RS3? The downpipe and intercooler will allow you to run more aggressive tuning and are easy and cheap mods.

Good luck!

Stage 2 requires
2.5TFSI EVO Spark Plug Set (NGK R7437-9) by Unitronic
Unitronic 4 inch Intake System for 2.5TFSI EVO
Unitronic 4 inch Turbo Inlet Elbow for 2.5TFSI EVO
Unitronic MPI Injector Upgrade Kit for 2.5TFSI EVO
Upgraded Downpipe w/ Sports Catalyst
Intercooler Upgrade

while stage 1+ requires
2.5TFSI EVO Spark Plug Set (NGK R7437-9) by Unitronic
Unitronic 3'' Turbo Inlet Elbow for 2.5 TFSI EVO
Unitronic Wastegate Line Upgrade Kit for 2.5TFSI EVO

It's my daily driver so I don't want to go full crazy yet until I get bored, then ill go nuts lol.

[SinatraQ]

Saturday I hit the track trying to shoot for an 11.0 realistically but a delay put me 2 hours into the heat so my mph diminished vs what I run on dragy at night when I test. In the right lane was a GTR .. not sure if bone stock or modified but lets assume stock. My car 19 rs3 uni stage 1+ was on e65 that day stock ic and stock dp weight w/driver 3950lbs about as even as it gets (my car is heavy cause I'm heavy) here is the timeslip and video


https://ibb.co/tsjYJdJ


https://youtu.be/6LWzirg6T4o

that's awesome, for once the GTR was in the back

[jd_rs3]

Stage 2 requires
2.5TFSI EVO Spark Plug Set (NGK R7437-9) by Unitronic
Unitronic 4 inch Intake System for 2.5TFSI EVO
Unitronic 4 inch Turbo Inlet Elbow for 2.5TFSI EVO
Unitronic MPI Injector Upgrade Kit for 2.5TFSI EVO
Upgraded Downpipe w/ Sports Catalyst
Intercooler Upgrade

while stage 1+ requires
2.5TFSI EVO Spark Plug Set (NGK R7437-9) by Unitronic
Unitronic 3'' Turbo Inlet Elbow for 2.5 TFSI EVO
Unitronic Wastegate Line Upgrade Kit for 2.5TFSI EVO

It's my daily driver so I don't want to go full crazy yet until I get bored, then ill go nuts lol.

I see. I've never heard of a Wastegate Line Upgrade Kit, but what you are saying makes sense. I think you'll get pretty far with Stage 1 e85.

[RSgoals]

Stage 2 requires
2.5TFSI EVO Spark Plug Set (NGK R7437-9) by Unitronic
Unitronic 4 inch Intake System for 2.5TFSI EVO
Unitronic 4 inch Turbo Inlet Elbow for 2.5TFSI EVO
Unitronic MPI Injector Upgrade Kit for 2.5TFSI EVO
Upgraded Downpipe w/ Sports Catalyst
Intercooler Upgrade

while stage 1+ requires
2.5TFSI EVO Spark Plug Set (NGK R7437-9) by Unitronic
Unitronic 3'' Turbo Inlet Elbow for 2.5 TFSI EVO
Unitronic Wastegate Line Upgrade Kit for 2.5TFSI EVO

It's my daily driver so I don't want to go full crazy yet until I get bored, then ill go nuts lol.

Isn’t stage 1 plus literally just the 93 tune. That’s what I have and noticed a massive difference.


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[SinatraQ]

Isn’t stage 1 plus literally just the 93 tune. That’s what I have and noticed a massive difference.


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https://www.getunitronic.com/ecu-tun...stage1plus-e85

[NoSuchSol]

I can only say for stock, but the GT-R felt more intense on launch than the RS3. The clinical feel of the RS3 in stock form was always a bit of a let down even though the thing was super quick.

[Zenobius]

Isn’t stage 1 plus literally just the 93 tune. That’s what I have and noticed a massive difference.


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I went stage 1 no mods 91 .... then i went stage 1 + e85 with the spark plugs only ..... ran fine nice and strong ...... i later added a 034 closed air intake just the box and tube and a unitronic 3 inch inlet and uni mid pipes .... i have done enough testing on my car to know when something changes its power and neither the intake nor the inlet changed my mph .... my car was hitting 125/126 mph consistently before those last 3 mods so dont be too surprised if they dont do much .... spark plugs and e85 is all u need if u trying to save a buck

[Phayl]

GTR launch will always be more aggressive feeling seeing as it's "real" AWD and doesn't bog down like RS3 does. Needless to say, stage 1+ e85 is a great starting point for livability and price. Running 10.9's full weight without inlet on damp road/1% uphill and 2600DA. Could easily be a 10.7x or 10.8 car as is.

[wva s4]

I had a stage 2 TopSpeed Tuned GTR for a few years and purchased a stage 2 RS3 last fall. I miss the rear bias of the GTR and the handling, but that's about it. I'm now stage 3 TTE 700 Uni tuned with KW3's, Whiteline bars & bushings, EuroSport Camber Kit and still not thrilled. It is very comfortable for a daily driver and runs well for what it is.

[jd_rs3]

Still not thrilled? Coming from a tuned GTR? Huh??

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[SinatraQ]

I had a stage 2 TopSpeed Tuned GTR for a few years and purchased a stage 2 RS3 last fall. I miss the rear bias of the GTR and the handling, but that's about it. I'm now stage 3 TTE 700 Uni tuned with KW3's, Whiteline bars & bushings, EuroSport Camber Kit and still not thrilled. It is very comfortable for a daily driver and runs well for what it is.

The transmission shift quality in the RS3 is so much better than the GTR imo, and ya I’ll probably do stage 1+ E85, that should be the right amount for a daily driver.


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[NoggieRS5]

The transmission shift quality in the RS3 is so much better than the GTR imo, and ya I’ll probably do stage 1+ E85, that should be the right amount for a daily driver.


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None of those mods on the Stage 1+ page are required. They are recommended. I've been running without any of that and two days ago switched from 93 to E85 tune. You need the upgraded sparkplugs to run the E85 tune. E70 is the best blend for consistency and power is what I've been told. 93 was fun, but with the E85 tune, your redline is increased to 7200rpm and the pops and bangs are more pronounced <3

Disregard the name, I already asked for the one-time change so I can't change it to RS3. :/

[Ac253189]

I had a stage 2 TopSpeed Tuned GTR for a few years and purchased a stage 2 RS3 last fall. I miss the rear bias of the GTR and the handling, but that's about it. I'm now stage 3 TTE 700 Uni tuned with KW3's, Whiteline bars & bushings, EuroSport Camber Kit and still not thrilled. It is very comfortable for a daily driver and runs well for what it is.

I can understand that. I picked an RS3 couple months ago, have put around 3200 miles on it. Traded in my GS F because moved to MN and needed AWD .The RS3 is a good daily driver, but it doesn't feel special or give a connectedness to the road. The FWD biased AWD is disappointing too, wish they offered something more like Subaru or GTR AWD. I'll probably trade in the RS3 for a 2017+ GTR when the time is right.

[jd_rs3]

lol actually

the GTR was one of the worst cars I have ever ridden in. It didn't feel connected to the road. It felt like it WAS the road. Oh boy. To each his own I guess.

[SinatraQ]

I can understand that. I picked an RS3 couple months ago, have put around 3200 miles on it. Traded in my GS F because moved to MN and needed AWD .The RS3 is a good daily driver, but it doesn't feel special or give a connectedness to the road. The FWD biased AWD is disappointing too, wish they offered something more like Subaru or GTR AWD. I'll probably trade in the RS3 for a 2017+ GTR when the time is right.

After owning 2 GTRs, one a 2014 and other a 2017. They are just to bulky and uncomfortable for a daily driver, transmission really annoying for daily use. All preferences though.


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[SinatraQ]

None of those mods on the Stage 1+ page are required. They are recommended. I've been running without any of that and two days ago switched from 93 to E85 tune. You need the upgraded sparkplugs to run the E85 tune. E70 is the best blend for consistency and power is what I've been told. 93 was fun, but with the E85 tune, your redline is increased to 7200rpm and the pops and bangs are more pronounced <3

Disregard the name, I already asked for the one-time change so I can't change it to RS3. :/

Word, thanks.


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[Ac253189]

After owning 2 GTRs, one a 2014 and other a 2017. They are just to bulky and uncomfortable for a daily driver, transmission really annoying for daily use. All preferences though.


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I had the opportunity to drive a FBO 2014 GTR and I agree it was uncomfortable after an hour. Road tripping 5 hours with the RS3 is much more pleasant than an hour in the 2014. Was the 2017 any more comfortable? Drove a 2017 ZL1 for the day shortly after the GTR and that was surprisingly comfortable, much more than the GTR. The only sports car less comfortable than the GTR I've driven is a dodge viper, but boy it that an experience worth the pain!

[Jon H]

I had the opportunity to drive a FBO 2014 GTR and I agree it was uncomfortable after an hour. Road tripping 5 hours with the RS3 is much more pleasant than an hour in the 2014. Was the 2017 any more comfortable? Drove a 2017 ZL1 for the day shortly after the GTR and that was surprisingly comfortable, much more than the GTR. The only sports car less comfortable than the GTR I've driven is a dodge viper, but boy it that an experience worth the pain!

2017 is a lot more softer than the 2014. Almost too soft. Especially on the track. 2009 was the harshest and over the years made softer and softer. IMO, the 13s and 14s were some of the best performance wise. When I test drove a 2019 RS3, it felt firmer than my 2017.

Between 3 different GT-Rs, I've been using one as a DD for over 200,000 miles (09 75k, 13 100k, 17 50k). Auto mode isn't the best around town but is better in the 2017. Especially with a revised TCU map.

Been going back and forth with the RS3 and passed up some great deals. Kinda kicking myself in the ass. Seems like the perfect daily. I'll get something else for track days.

[Venumous]

These are friends of mine. My car is identical to the RS in the video modwise other than mine having the original Uni inlet as well. On CC Stage 1 E70 my car ran 10.90 @ 129.6mph with secondary car delete, CTS intake and 18” RSe10s with Conti all seasons. Stage 2 E cars trap in the 132-133mph range.

Skip to 2:00 for mods.
https://youtu.be/5PHtuB-u4Ec

[TurnerRS3]

I sell cars at Nissan.. and after a few goes in the GTR, weekend with it.. just not a nice daily. Super glad I went with my RS3! Been running the stage 1+ uni ecu tune and stage 2 uni stage 2 tune since 3,800kms (Canada). I am now at 51,000kms and have no issues with the car whatsoever! Debating to add more power to it now though.. or just wait for the 2021 Release of the RS3.. decisions decisions.

[Ac253189]

I sell cars at Nissan.. and after a few goes in the GTR, weekend with it.. just not a nice daily. Super glad I went with my RS3! Been running the stage 1+ uni ecu tune and stage 2 uni stage 2 tune since 3,800kms (Canada). I am now at 51,000kms and have no issues with the car whatsoever! Debating to add more power to it now though.. or just wait for the 2021 Release of the RS3.. decisions decisions.

What about AWD M3?

[chi_marketing]

What about AWD M3?

Just put a paper bag over it and you’ll be fine with it

[Ac253189]

Lol. The internet fix for M3/M4 looks so much better.

[TurnerRS3]

What about AWD M3?

I hate BMW's

[Rs31000]

I went stage 1 no mods 91 .... then i went stage 1 + e85 with the spark plugs only ..... ran fine nice and strong ...... i later added a 034 closed air intake just the box and tube and a unitronic 3 inch inlet and uni mid pipes .... i have done enough testing on my car to know when something changes its power and neither the intake nor the inlet changed my mph .... my car was hitting 125/126 mph consistently before those last 3 mods so dont be too surprised if they dont do much .... spark plugs and e85 is all u need if u trying to save a buck

Did you do the TCU tune as well or just stock?

[ReverendScott]

In my '18 RS3 so far I've tried out:
91 octane stock
93 octane/E20 stock
Unitronic Stage 1 91 octane at E20
Unitronic Stage 1+ 93 octane E20
Unitronic Stage 1+ E85.
All Unitronic flashes with Stage 2 TCU.
Car is stock otherwise besides Neuspeed Rse102 19x9s and Michelin PS4S 255/30/19s on all 4. Oh and the VCDS Improved traction mod.

The jump to full E85 is shocking by comparison. 93 flash is certainly very impressive, but it feels just as much of a jump from stock to 93 flash, as it does from 93 flash to E85 flash.

As long as it's over 45° it hooks up like crazy. 98% of cars on the road can't come close. 800+ hp looks good on a dyno, and gets good numbers on the prepped drag strip, but it's not always as fun on the street.

[Vegasgolds]

In my '18 RS3 so far I've tried out:
91 octane stock
93 octane/E20 stock
Unitronic Stage 1 91 octane at E20
Unitronic Stage 1+ 93 octane E20
Unitronic Stage 1+ E85.
All Unitronic flashes with Stage 2 TCU.
Car is stock otherwise besides Neuspeed Rse102 19x9s and Michelin PS4S 255/30/19s on all 4. Oh and the VCDS Improved traction mod.

The jump to full E85 is shocking by comparison. 93 flash is certainly very impressive, but it feels just as much of a jump from stock to 93 flash, as it does from 93 flash to E85 flash.

As long as it's over 45° it hooks up like crazy. 98% of cars on the road can't come close. 800+ hp looks good on a dyno, and gets good numbers on the prepped drag strip, but it's not always as fun on the street.

In Vegas, it's near impossible to find 93 octane... so just go from stock to Uni Stage 1+ E85 with TCU 2?.... I hear, going Stage 2 doesn't really justify the cost of added parts.

[GT-R & S4]

I can only comment on GT-Rs, having owned a FBO '09 and a stock '14. I never took either to a dragstrip but I did take the '09 to Summit Point Raceway when it was stock. Everyone's experiences are different, but I used the '09 as a DD the first year and a half I owned it. It was AWD, plenty of trunk space for the weekly grocery run, and room in the back for two (small) people. Plus a snow/ice setting. And when I drove it daily it was with dedicated snow tires. The '14, on the other hand, though not as quick as the '09 because it was FBO, was noticeably more comfortable (according to my wife, who made that observation the first time I drove the family in it ). The interior was more plush as well. But the main thing that stuck out on the GT-R for me was, when I got behind the wheel, I felt like I owned the road ahead of me.

Now, I have owned three Audis before, an '06 S4, '15 S4, and an '18 S5. The S4 was Stage tune engine/transmission, aftermarket intakes, AWE downpipes and exhaust. I came upon a GT-R once on 95 here in Florida and did a few pulls with him. Obviously he got bus lengths ahead of me but I was surprised just the same that, while I wasn't able to keep the same pace, I wasn't that far away from him. I can only imagine a tuned RS3. But it's all in what you want and need in a car. You can take a grocery getter and surprise a lot of "fast" cars. My problem with the GT-R, in terms of why I don't get another one, is that since the first MY ('09) the price has increased incrementally every year. Nissan has made some pretty solid improvements every year. But whereas I paid $72K for that '09 new, now they are MSRP at $110K to $115K. And even the used car market, the GT-R's have held their value. You can find some '09's out there in the $50K range, but they are normally 45K miles or higher, and of questionable tuning origins. More realistically, expect to pay in the $60K's for something with less than 30K miles and a more reputable background.

[jd_rs3]

Hmmmm, your review is fantastic and was reading so well that I couldn't wait to get to the end...then an abrupt, 'it's too expensive' conclusion? I was wanting more of an explanation than that. Really there must be more to it than price, right? Let's take your, 'owning the road' feeling - care to elaborate?

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[Ac253189]

Summit point is a great track! Have only done it with a motorcycle. I'm sure that straight into the hairpin turn with the GTR was a thrill. Thanks for sharing your experience of owning two GTRs.

[AudiRS#]

I got to drive a GTR for a weekend. I LOVED it.

Dont get me wrong the Audi is a more practical car all things considered, and why i got it (for the 4 doors and fold down seats).

But the GTR felt leaps and bounds more sports car like and pulled much harder. Stock vs stock. Ive havent been in a modified RS3. I too like the guy above me felt like i owned the road it was just so capable and the right blend of handling/power/control and luxury enough.

While i do like my RS3 all else being equal at $60-70k i would have a 14+ GTR. The more expensive maintenance is a concern for me though i admit. Now when talking $100k for newer GTRs we are in a different price bracket but i would have a 911TT because it takes the good things of the gtr and adds in more refinement and a better transmission.

Side note: something that has really bothered me about the GTR owners... i have lived in some less populous cities and honestly rarely see GTRs. However the owners i have met have been d-bags. I admit this is in areas where you dont see GTRs and they are rare, but thats not really an excuse. Most were younger kids (college age, near schools) that i feel weren’t paying the bills but ya never know. Honestly they acted very elitist when they shouldnt in their 50-100k car (not that people should ever act like that). It has happened more than twice.


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[GT-R & S4]

Hmmmm, your review is fantastic and was reading so well that I couldn't wait to get to the end...then an abrupt, 'it's too expensive' conclusion? I was wanting more of an explanation than that. Really there must be more to it than price, right? Let's take your, 'owning the road' feeling - care to elaborate?

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Sorry to disappoint with my abrupt, "But it's too expensive", ending. Yes, there is more to it than the price, though the tech in the GT-R had me a bit wanting. Not performance wise obviously. But it doesn't even have Android Auto. It's not just that, though. The R35 GT-R made such a huge impact when it arrived on the scene, and suddenly it was hanging with a Porsche 911 Turbo S and other cars that were at least twice its price. And now it is a $115K car (forget the Track edition, now the NISMO is over $200K!). Even though there have been very useful changes every MY for the GT-R (originally the '09 was 485 HP stock, and now the '20 is 600 HP), it's long in the tooth and many other cars have caught up with it, some surpassing it. Imagine a Mustang GT500 and Camaro ZL1 hanging with a GT-R! That was unthinkable 10 years ago. A big problem is, Nissan needs to bring out the R36, which has been speculated for years but it hasn't happened yet, and no one really knows when, or IF, it will happen. In my own personal opinion (which means little), I think because of the impact the R35 made, Nissan would have to equal that. And how? I feel (again, my personal opinion) the R36 GT-R would need to rival hypercar quickness, while still being "affordable". Whereas a GT-R was a performance equal of some Ferraris, Lambos, and Porsche 911 Turbo S' 10 years ago for $70K, that was somewhat in reach of those not well off. But for something like an R36 GT-R to match hypercar performance, what would it cost? I'm not talking the NISMO, which as I mentioned is already over $200K. No, I think the GT-R would be in the $130K to $150K for a basic, "premium" model. And for that, you have just eliminated most people. Plus you are putting yourself in the range of other cars with equal performance. Maybe not brand new, but that will get you some MacLarens, Audi R8 V10+, Acura NSX, etc.

And here's another factor to the equation: I'm on a waiting list for a C8 Corvette. For something estimated in the $80K range (per the C8 configurator), I am going to have something that will be just a quick as a stock GT-R, and very similar top end speed (though I'll never experience that), plus mid engine technology. Plus the tech and creature comforts are great (HUD, Android Auto/Apple Car Play, heated/ventilated seats, memory settings (GT-R doesn't have that), awesome looking interior in a multitude of material options and colors, plus many exterior options.

As for "owning the road", in my personal experiences, though I never really engaged in any stoplight to stoplight duels (draws too much attention from the other cars behind you), when I stepped on it on the highway, nothing kept up with me, except some sport bikes. I ran away from so many. Obviously that was not any highly modified vehicles, such as the RS3's we're talking about here. Perhaps if I engaged more vehicles I would have been looking at more taillights, but it wasn't something I did very often. And very often it wasn't actually racing/outracing anyone, it was simply taking off to feel that rush from the sudden acceleration, then looking down at the speedometer and having, "Oh, shoot!" realization that I'm at you could go to jail speed and quickly slow down.

Does this answer everything now?

[GT-R & S4]

Summit point is a great track! Have only done it with a motorcycle. I'm sure that straight into the hairpin turn with the GTR was a thrill. Thanks for sharing your experience of owning two GTRs.

I know there are two tracks. The one I drove on was adjacent to the skid pad. And the end of the main straight there, going into turn #1, yeah, if you didn't slow down enough to make the turn, you would go past to the skid pad. The instructor I had in my passenger seat kept trying to get me to hit the brakes harder. At the end of my last run, I had gotten up to around 145 mph before coming up on the warning cones, but I was still able to make the turn. I guess he wanted to see if the brakes would lock up or something.