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    Winter Tires 255/30/20 or OEM Fitment

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    Hey guys,

    Does anyone have any feedback on some good winter tires for those of you who drive your TT-RS with OEM 20' rims throughout the winter? I live right on the Lakeshore in Eastern Michigan and it can get pretty bad here at times due to lake-effect snow. The car has already been wrapped in PPF however I am hunting early for some nice tires with good looks/performance and I hoping the Quattro system will take care of the rest. Any advice?

    If you can include ideas with links I'd appreciate it!

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    Would you be interested in an 18” wheel and tire package?

    I have a setup from my 2018 TTRS. Only have about 500 miles on them as I ended up parking the car and subsequently selling it.

    DM me if you might be interested.


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    19" or better 18" rims and dedicated narrower Winter tires are best for heavy snow driving. The 20" have too short a sidewall with too wide a tread to be a good choice for Winter imho.
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    Same size 20" tires are prohibitively expensive.

    You can get 19" in 255/35-19 that have the same diameter so that is the route I would suggest.

    18" will leave very little room between the barrel of the rim and the front caliper. It's also hard to find the correct size tire. If you do go this route be sure to get a taller tire rather than a shorter tire.

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    I'm running the audi recommended snow size 225/40R19 on a 19x8 for my blizzaks. Works well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Watson View Post
    I'm running the audi recommended snow size 225/40R19 on a 19x8 for my blizzaks. Works well.
    I'm assuming you have the 20' black optic rims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistRate View Post
    Same size 20" tires are prohibitively expensive.

    You can get 19" in 255/35-19 that have the same diameter so that is the route I would suggest.

    18" will leave very little room between the barrel of the rim and the front caliper. It's also hard to find the correct size tire. If you do go this route be sure to get a taller tire rather than a shorter tire.
    Are you referring to buying a 19' rim set and installing that size tire or are you saying the OEM 20' rims will fit the tire size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LjCalvinLindsey View Post
    Are you referring to buying a 19' rim set and installing that size tire or are you saying the OEM 20' rims will fit the tire size.
    You can not fit 19" tires on 20" wheels.

    Smartest thing to do is to grab some Alzor wheels in 18" (forget 19s if you are buying new wheels anyway why not do winter right) and then get Blizzaks. You can use www.tiresize.com/converter/ to find the size tire to get that will match the OEM 20" overall diameter for speedo accuracy which will also give you the meety sidewall you need for winter driving.

    Seriosuly, the price you will pay for 20" winter tires, PLUS having to pay to have them mounted on your existing wheels and then haul you summer tires home and then pay AGAIN to have the summer's remounted again..........it's the same price to just get inexpensive wheels dedicated to winter use, mount the tires, and then just change the whole set yourself in the garage every season. Seriously it's like $20-30 per wheel each time to have them mounted and balanced, plus the hassle and time to take it to the tire shop and the risk they F up your wheels doing it.

    I don't winter drive the TTRS, but the cars I do have a second set of wheels and tires specifically as I describe. trust me, just do it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LjCalvinLindsey View Post
    I'm assuming you have the 20' black optic rims?


    yes, those are the summer tires. winters are on their own wheels so I can easily swap them and get more sidewall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper3 View Post
    You can not fit 19" tires on 20" wheels.

    Smartest thing to do is to grab some Alzor wheels in 18" (forget 19s if you are buying new wheels anyway why not do winter right) and then get Blizzaks. You can use www.tiresize.com/converter/ to find the size tire to get that will match the OEM 20" overall diameter for speedo accuracy which will also give you the meety sidewall you need for winter driving.

    Seriosuly, the price you will pay for 20" winter tires, PLUS having to pay to have them mounted on your existing wheels and then haul you summer tires home and then pay AGAIN to have the summer's remounted again..........it's the same price to just get inexpensive wheels dedicated to winter use, mount the tires, and then just change the whole set yourself in the garage every season. Seriously it's like $20-30 per wheel each time to have them mounted and balanced, plus the hassle and time to take it to the tire shop and the risk they F up your wheels doing it.

    I don't winter drive the TTRS, but the cars I do have a second set of wheels and tires specifically as I describe. trust me, just do it right.
    Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate it! Hopefully, the 18's don't have any brake clearance issues however I do plan on going that route now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LjCalvinLindsey View Post
    Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate it! Hopefully, the 18's don't have any brake clearance issues however I do plan on going that route now.
    There are 18"s that clear the brakes from what people have reported on the tire fitment thread but you do have to be careful, still, it's the best setup for winter so worth the trouble IMHO
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    I have a separate 19" wheels / winter tires for November-April use here in the NYC area.

    20" winter tires are super expensive and not rugged enough to handle winter conditions (potholes, etc.).
    Get some 19" wheels and a good winter tire like Pirelli Winter Sottozero Serie II, or Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4.

    In my experience, in the long run, it is cheaper than the 20" winter setup, once you factor in all of the tires / rims that will be destroyed by potholes...

    I don't recommend 18" on the TTRS. Yeah, there are some that are alleged to fit, but those only barely fit, with near-zero margin of error. Balancing weights could defeat that. Also, with really tight clearance all it takes is some small pebble to get caught between the wheel and the rotor and you've got a mess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpideyTT! View Post

    I don't recommend 18" on the TTRS. Yeah, there are some that are alleged to fit, but those only barely fit, with near-zero margin of error. Balancing weights could defeat that. Also, with really tight clearance all it takes is some small pebble to get caught between the wheel and the rotor and you've got a mess...
    Genuinely curious for additional feedback here.

    What is this margin of error you are referring to? And are you suggesting it is possible for a pebble to make itself in between a moving brake rotor and rim while traveling at speed?

    In late 2019 I opted to drive my 2018 TTRS with standard brakes through the western PA winter. I purchased a guaranteed fitment set of 18” wheels and Michelin x-ice tires from Tire Rack. They required no spacers; just new hub centric rings.

    While I ended up not driving it more than 500 miles through the winter, I didn’t encounter any issues. And during the buying process there were no concerns expressed by the Tire Tack team. Ultimately it is their rear end on the line if there are problems with a set of wheels they guarantee to fit.

    Again, genuinely interested in additional feedback because this is the first I’ve ever heard of any concerns with 18” wheels on the car. I’ve even known a couple guys who went the 18” route for weight savings and pure summer performance tires to track the vehicle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wildtouch83 View Post
    ...interested in additional feedback because this is the first I’ve ever heard of any concerns with 18” wheels on the car.
    I had a buddy who tried it. The seller promised 15 ways that the 18's he was selling would fit, but when they arrived, they didn't.
    Then he had a really hard time getting the seller to take them back and refund him without charging a pile of $$$ for shipping.

    Bottom line, you CAN do it, but it's TIGHT, and you need to be REALLY sure that THIS SPECIFIC WHEEL will fit over the rotors. And there are VERY few kinds that will work! For instance, Tire Rack only advertises 4 kinds of 18" wheels that will fit the TT RS. Contrast with with TTS, where Tire Rack advertises 175 kinds of 18" wheels, and 62 kinds of 17" wheels.

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    Appreciate the added feedback. Tire Rack only sells guaranteed fitment; which is why few options for the TTRS. And that goes for the steel brake setup. 18s don’t clear the ceramic brakes.

    I offered my former setup to the OP. There is certainly less room between the barrels and the brakes than the stock 20s, but they worked well.




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    Quote Originally Posted by SpideyTT! View Post
    I have a separate 19" wheels / winter tires for November-April use here in the NYC area.

    20" winter tires are super expensive and not rugged enough to handle winter conditions (potholes, etc.).
    Get some 19" wheels and a good winter tire like Pirelli Winter Sottozero Serie II, or Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4.

    In my experience, in the long run, it is cheaper than the 20" winter setup, once you factor in all of the tires/rims that will be destroyed by potholes...

    I don't recommend 18" on the TTRS. Yeah, there are some that are alleged to fit, but those only barely fit, with near-zero margin of error. Balancing weights could defeat that. Also, with really tight clearance all it takes is some small pebble to get caught between the wheel and the rotor and you've got a mess...
    Mind posting your winter setup (rim, tire, etc)? I really don't want to go through any hassle of ordering a full setup only to run into fitment. If you have a 19inch rim setup that works with enough clearance over the front brembos I'll happily follow your lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LjCalvinLindsey View Post
    Mind posting your winter setup (rim, tire, etc)? I really don't want to go through any hassle of ordering a full setup only to run into fitment. If you have a 19inch rim setup that works with enough clearance over the front brembos I'll happily follow your lead.
    I purchased the winter tire package as an option when I bought the car last year.
    They are Pirelli Sotozero 3 - 225/40R19 93V, on Audi OEM rims. I am pretty sure that the P/N is 8S0601025BH.

    Here's an image of them on the car, and a closeup taken in the garage:

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    Quote Originally Posted by LjCalvinLindsey View Post
    Mind posting your winter setup (rim, tire, etc)? I really don't want to go through any hassle of ordering a full setup only to run into fitment. If you have a 19inch rim setup that works with enough clearance over the front brembos I'll happily follow your lead.
    I have TTS on 20" rim. I'm currently looking into getting snow tires. But the prices for winter tires to fit the 20" rim are ridiculous expensive. I am looking for alternative choices. What did you end up buying and how did it worked out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxman360 View Post
    I have TTS on 20" rim. I'm currently looking into getting snow tires. But the prices for winter tires to fit the 20" rim are ridiculous expensive. I am looking for alternative choices. What did you end up buying and how did it worked out?
    Like I said, I don't recommend 20" winter tires. They will be expensive, and they will suck. Not to mention that winter is pothole season.
    Better to just get a set of less-expensive 19" wheels and some really good winter tires in that size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpideyTT! View Post
    Like I said, I don't recommend 20" winter tires. They will be expensive, and they will suck. Not to mention that winter is pothole season.
    Better to just get a set of less-expensive 19" wheels and some really good winter tires in that size.
    Plus IF you happen to slide a bit and hit a curb, gouging up some $150 wheels won't make you cry like banging up nice wheels. :)


    Serious winter tires get Blizzaks, ran those on my S4 and S3 in CO, couldn't even tell it was snowing out LMAO

    If winter is a bit more mild where you are at and sometimes does get above 50 degrees I recommend the Michillen X-Ice as they are designed for occasional use in warmer temps. Those are what I run on the Touareg, not as good as the Blizzaks in deep stuff but super capable. You run Blizzaks in 50 degrees weather and they will wear out fast.
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    So, I’ll add my $0.02. My ‘18 TTRS (wife’s car — she’s a real estate agent) has been using Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 (255/35/20) for about two years on the OEM 20” rims. We live downtown Chicago and she almost drives daily (around the city but mostly the burbs).

    I agree with her on this... the tires are “manageable” for the amount of snow we get on the streets around here, but not as good as the Michelin’s Pilot Sport All Season (245/40ZR18) we had on her ‘10 TT convertible — that was a really nice tire in the snow — but unfortunately it’s was not available in the 20’ size.

    Anyhow, I was going to rotate to the original summer tires each season, but since the Michelin’s have been pretty good year-round, we decided to stick with them — not to mention the extra sidewall height (over the originals) outweighs the advantages of performance summer tires, for our needs. We also got tire insurance, which really saved us money as we’ve had a few tires replaced (sidewall blister form highway potholes) but zero damage to the rims.

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    LOL, back when I still had my Mk1 2001 Quattro Roadster, about two years ago, we had a freak snowstorm in mid-October. When I parked the car at the commuter rail station in the morning it was in the 60s and sunny. When I got off of the train on the way home around 6pm there was already 4 inches of snow on the ground, and it was falling at about an inch per hour. It was REALLY amusing to see all of the stupid SUVs with their all-season tires splayed out all over the roads and stuck in ditches and sideways to the lane, etc. Totally useless! Luckily I had mounted my winter rubber just a few days earlier. I cruised on through slaloming around the marooned SUVs just as if the road was clean a dry. Yet one more data point on how snow tires are a good thing, and how SUVs are useless bits of foppery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpideyTT! View Post
    et one more data point on how snow tires are a good thing, and how SUVs are useless bits of foppery.
    No, useless people who get SUVs to commute to work are useless foppery. :)

    SUVs do have some use, mine hauls a 20ft steeldeck dovetail with one of my cars on it to the track regularly. :) It also has dedicated winter rubber for the season.

    It's just the mindless sheep who buy an SUV when all they need is a sedan (or better served with a wagon) who ruin everything. Heck, most SUVs aren't even AWD anymore. I agree, it is fun to watch them A) tiptoe through an inch of snow or B) slide off the road backwards after whipping a lane change on their A/S with 4/32 remaining in tread. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper3 View Post
    No, useless people who get SUVs to commute to work are useless foppery. :)
    [...]
    It's just the mindless sheep who buy an SUV when all they need is a sedan (or better served with a wagon) who ruin everything. Heck, most SUVs aren't even AWD anymore. I agree, it is fun to watch them A) tiptoe through an inch of snow or B) slide off the road backwards after whipping a lane change on their A/S with 4/32 remaining in tread. lol
    OK, I can agree with that!

    Here's a rant that I wrote a few years ago about a particularly eventful evening commute:

    Last night's drive home from commuter rail station to our house was 90 minutes of fun (it's normally about 10 minutes). No really - it was fun. It was really amusing seeing all of the people who don't know how to drive in the snow slide about like crazy bumper cars. There was also vast evidence that most drivers have ZERO understanding of physics. It was gratifying, once I found a path from the station to home that was not completely blocked up with incompetent drivers, to be able to use my winter-equipped little two-seater to drive on past with ease and get home safely.

    With that in mind, I present Josh's rules for driving in the snow:

    1) Do you really need to be out on the road? If not, STAY WHERE YOU ARE.

    2a) If you don't know how to drive in snow, DON'T DRIVE IN SNOW.

    2b) Just because you think you know how to drive in snow, doesn't mean you actually do (see: Dunning–Kruger effect). If you haven't actually taken lessons in how to do it safely, you aren't an expert; you are a DANGEROUS POSER, and should STAY OFF THE ROAD.

    3) Clean ALL of the snow off of your vehicle before starting to drive. Yes, that includes the trunk, and the ROOF. Even if it's a tall vehicle. Visibility is already bad enough without your IDIOCY INDUCED WHITEOUT.

    4a) "High performance" tires, low-profile tires, super-wide tires, and most "all-season" tires are useless in snow. And if tires are bald they are dangerous. If you have any of these on your car in a snowstorm you are a MENACE TO SOCIETY.

    4b) Your grandfather knew what he was doing when he put snow tires on the Packard on the first of November, and kept them on until the first of April. SNOW TIRES FOR THE WIN.

    5) Does your car have low clearance? Have you padded your opinion of yourself by modding a low-end hatchback into a suspension-lowered extension for your ego? Do you own a muscle car of any sort? If so, your car is a tool for inflating your self-opinion, NOT a tool for getting from point A to point B. You should also note that it's really hard to get traction when the floor pan of the car is sliding across the top of the accumulated snow like a college student sledding on a cafeteria tray. PULL ASIDE for those of us who have the RIGHT SKILLS and the RIGHT TOOLS.

    6) Just because you have an SUV or 4-wheel-drive doesn't mean that you are top rally driver Carlos Sainz. High clearance is useless without appropriate tires. 4-wheel-drive doesn't help when all four wheels are spinning. And your high center of gravity means you are more likely to die in a rollover accident. THE CAR DOESN'T MAKE THE DRIVER!

    7) Read your car's instructions on how to use it in snow. With all of the modern traction control systems, ABS, and fancy transmissions, it can be complicated and the right settings are not the same on all vehicles. If you don't know how to set your car for snow, DON'T DRIVE IT IN SNOW!

    8a) As a general rule, the best method for driving in snow is to use low gear, control your speed using the throttle, and touch the brake as little as possible, only when absolutely necessary or when coming to a stop. The key is for your wheels NEVER to be spinning. If your wheels are spinning more than just a little you are DONE. If your wheels are stopped but the car is still moving you are DONE. You have no control.

    8b) Better: If you have an automatic transmission, or a transmission that cannot be set into manual mode it's probably just best for you to stay home. MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS RULE IN SNOW.

    9) Correcting for a skid requires turning your front wheels in the same direction that the rear of the vehicle is sliding (aka "turning into the slide"). You should have practiced this on a course when learning to drive, but what can I say, licensing requirements in this country are a sorry joke. If you don't know how to correct for a skid, you have no business being behind the wheel in any weather.

    10) Use PHYSICS! Get some speed and momentum up before starting up a hill, but not so much that you are out of control. On the other hand, going down-hill is the time to be as conservative as possible with your speed. YOU HAVE TO PLAN USING YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF PHYSICS! Driving in snow is a puzzle to be solved. It requires CAREFUL THOUGHT, not just timidity.

    11) Speaking of PHYSICS, how about you don't tailgate? If you are 10 feet off my rear bumper, and something happens, you ARE going to hit me. I don't care much about the rear of my beat up 2001. But I'm sure that replacing the grille on the front of your Mercedes S Class is going to set you back at least $5k.

    12) Be aware that conditions change. There may be ice underneath that snow. What was passable 10 minutes ago might not be passable now. Be prepared with a plan, a backup plan, and another backup plan. CHANGE IS THE RULE!

    13) Finally:
    STAY OFF THE ROAD.
    NO, REALLY. STAY OFF THE ROAD.
    Stay home. Get a hotel. Find a friends house where you can crash. Do something.
    But STAY OFF THE ROAD!

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    My OEM was the 20” mesh (y-spoke) design (‘17 TTS). That’ll be my summer set up.

    Just ordered 245/35/19 Michelin winter tires for some new Enkei PF05 5-spoke wheel 19x8.5, 5x112, offset 38 wheels In dark painted silver (on backorder).

    Wanted something easy to clean in the winter months. I hope the “dark painted silver” is a close match to ‘Daytona gray’. Slightly narrower, higher/meatier sidewall.

    Oh, and for fun added the H&R sport springs (0.75” drop) to complete the order.

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    Expecting to have by late Oct ‘21. Will post pics....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildtouch83 View Post
    Appreciate the added feedback. Tire Rack only sells guaranteed fitment; which is why few options for the TTRS. And that goes for the steel brake setup. 18s don’t clear the ceramic brakes.

    I offered my former setup to the OP. There is certainly less room between the barrels and the brakes than the stock 20s, but they worked well.




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    I thought that the steel and ceramic calipers where exactly the same size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeTTo RS View Post
    I thought that the steel and ceramic calipers where exactly the same size.

    :shrug: I don't think I ever found exact specs of the CC brakes. But, now that you mention it, tire rack and other sites don't ask to specify which brakes are on the car.

    I also could be thinking back to my B8.5 RS5...perhaps those steel/CCB sizes were different. It's been awhile...
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