Mandatory scanning by dealerships

[BzzzBom]

I have a 2019 RS3 and it’s due for its first service. I have an APR PLUS tune that was recommended by the dealership. When I purchased the car the service manager told me to be upfront when bringing the car in for service and they won’t scan the car unless required. I was just told by the service department that they are now required to scan all cars regardless of type of service. I also called other dealerships and they confirmed that this was Audi’s new policy.😒 When did this policy start? Well....I guess it was good that I paid extra for APR PLUS.

[fwrigley]

Seems like a lot of wasted effort for a dealership to catch the small % of vehicles that are modified.

[Vali]

Had my 10k service last week at my local dealership. The service manager and I shot the shit about Uni vs APR. He told the tech to be sure not to touch anything with the ECU and to not touch anything warranty related without talking to me first.

Surprised to hear that's somehow a universal policy.

[a4 4snow]

I too was at the dealer last week for my 10k and the first question after looking under the hood and seeing all my carbon intake goodies was "are you flashed?" , then they said don't worry if you are just let us know and we won't hook it up to the computer unless you give us the OK. I wasn't tuned till after it came home for the 10k, but my dealer is tune friendly so doubt its Audi NA telling them to do it.

[S3DUDE]

^^ great!

[legacypgmr]

I guess I don't really understand why you guys don't want them to hook it up.

Whether they TD1 it or not, once you have a warranty claim they WILL hook it up, know it's been chipped and deny whatever they're going to deny anyway.

What's the point ?

[5PotNewb]

Resale

[MerakiAutoworks]

I thought APR + Does not void warranty even if warranty work is needed?

-Josh

[Aramze]

I thought APR + Does not void warranty even if warranty work is needed?

-Josh

No. That’s not how the APR plus warranty works.

[Zenobius]

I guess I don't really understand why you guys don't want them to hook it up.

Whether they TD1 it or not, once you have a warranty claim they WILL hook it up, know it's been chipped and deny whatever they're going to deny anyway.

What's the point ?

lmao I know .... just get it voided now and live your life. You blow up and what do they think they are gonna do , ...replace it without checking lol

[carlosvjr92]

My service guy (whos very mod friendly) said that he can't do anything without scanning anymore. When I went in for my 5k service he just charged me for an oil change and did all the work without scanning (the car came with Audi care, so should have been covered). Guess that was a work around. Either way in the future I'll only be taking it in for anything I know is warranty work and going to get all other service done at my regular shop. Only went there so they could check out everything on the car since I had just bought it the week before from a third party dealership.

[TheContrarian]

I guess I don't really understand why you guys don't want them to hook it up.

Whether they TD1 it or not, once you have a warranty claim they WILL hook it up, know it's been chipped and deny whatever they're going to deny anyway.

What's the point ?

Exactly. This isn`t the mark of the beast on your forehead or anything. Mandatory vaccination and microchipping is after Biden wins.

[Bezlar]

Exactly. This isn`t the mark of the beast on your forehead or anything. Mandatory vaccination and microchipping is after Biden wins.

Lol


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[BzzzBom]

Exactly. This isn`t the mark of the beast on your forehead or anything. Mandatory vaccination and microchipping is after Biden wins.

If we could get mandatory Covid vaccination in the United States I would happily pay for all warranty work out of pocket. I’m worried because some uninformed people don’t even get the flu vaccine. In Canada, your average IQ is about 25 points higher than the average American. I’m afraid we’ve even dumbed down more in the last four years. 🤕

[Skunkwerx]

Since this topic started...

Has anyone cared to share that they HAVE been flagged as a result of this new campaign?

[r26372]

If we could get mandatory Covid vaccination in the United States I would happily pay for all warranty work out of pocket. I’m worried because some uninformed people don’t even get the flu vaccine. In Canada, your average IQ is about 25 points higher than the average American. I’m afraid we’ve even dumbed down more in the last four years.

Stick to car talk.


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[BzzzBom]

Exactly. This isn`t the mark of the beast on your forehead or anything. Mandatory vaccination and microchipping is after Biden wins.

Please stick to car talk.
Thanks

[BzzzBom]

Stick to car talk.


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I agree 100%

[Fixeroh]

My car was recently at the dealership for the 10K check. Service tech knows I'm running an APR Stage 1 tune. They bypass the hookup to the system for the work. BUT I have to decline any factory recall work and there are 3 of which I'm aware. Cable for the passenger seat airbag sensor, retaining clip for rear head rests and a recent ECU update to prevent vapor lock. All are items I can live without correcting at this time. If you get recall work then the car will be connected to the Audi main system.

[Leonitus86]

My car was recently at the dealership for the 10K check. Service tech knows I'm running an APR Stage 1 tune. They bypass the hookup to the system for the work. BUT I have to decline any factory recall work and there are 3 of which I'm aware. Cable for the passenger seat airbag sensor, retaining clip for rear head rests and a recent ECU update to prevent vapor lock. All are items I can live without correcting at this time. If you get recall work then the car will be connected to the Audi main system.

So they won't do any recalls on the car because of your apr tune? Makes no sense unless I'm misunderstanding you.

[CavEsk1337]

So they won't do any recalls on the car because of your apr tune? Makes no sense unless I'm misunderstanding you.

I think Fixeroh is declining his recalls because he would then have to be hooked up and be flagged TD1. From what I'm reading he is trying to prolong being flagged TD1.

[Fixeroh]

I think Fixeroh is declining his recalls because he would then have to be hooked up and be flagged TD1. From what I'm reading he is trying to prolong being flagged TD1.

That is correct. I am declining the recalls at this time. If it were a major issue then I would definitely get the recall repaired regardless of a TD1 flag.

[carlosvjr92]

My car was recently at the dealership for the 10K check. Service tech knows I'm running an APR Stage 1 tune. They bypass the hookup to the system for the work. BUT I have to decline any factory recall work and there are 3 of which I'm aware. Cable for the passenger seat airbag sensor, retaining clip for rear head rests and a recent ECU update to prevent vapor lock. All are items I can live without correcting at this time. If you get recall work then the car will be connected to the Audi main system.

My dealer actually performed a recall for me and didn't hook up the ECU. I would be surprised if they have to hook up for all warranty work especially if Audi knows the recall applies to vehicles built between X and Y. Just seems inefficient, even more so if the recall has nothing to do with software.

Next time I stop by the dealer I'm going to ask the service advisor about it just to play it safe so I can decline all future recalls until they stack up and can flash back to stock

[Gamil]

I guess I don't really understand why you guys don't want them to hook it up.

Whether they TD1 it or not, once you have a warranty claim they WILL hook it up, know it's been chipped and deny whatever they're going to deny anyway.

What's the point ?

Absolutely.

You can't hide anymore.

Wanna play ? Tune and move on. get flagged, and pay for repairs.

Warranty is too important for your peace of mind ? Stay stock until the warranty period ends.

[BzzzBom]

Or pay $1,000 extra for APR Plus. I’d rather have warranty work performed at APR Dealer than an Audi Dealer.

[legacypgmr]

I guess I don't really understand why you guys don't want them to hook it up.

Whether they TD1 it or not, once you have a warranty claim they WILL hook it up, know it's been chipped and deny whatever they're going to deny anyway.

What's the point ?

Resale

So what you're saying then is you'll take all your mods off the car, sell it to someone with "warranty still in effect" and when they go to get warranty work performed they'll be denied because YOU modified the car,,,,,,

Do I have that about right ?

[legacypgmr]

My dealer actually performed a recall for me and didn't hook up the ECU. I would be surprised if they have to hook up for all warranty work especially if Audi knows the recall applies to vehicles built between X and Y. Just seems inefficient, even more so if the recall has nothing to do with software.

Next time I stop by the dealer I'm going to ask the service advisor about it just to play it safe so I can decline all future recalls until they stack up and can flash back to stock

I can't see how a recall could/would be denied even if the warranty is no longer valid due to,,,,,,,,, whatever.

The recall is to fix a manufacturer's defect.

BTW, did you get your car just recently from Florida Performance Cars in WPB ?

That Cumulus Blue color is something else. Under the indoor fluorescent lights the paint looked as pure white as anything I've ever seen. Outdoors though it looked like an extremely light grey/blue. Very interesting color.

[legacypgmr]

That is correct. I am declining the recalls at this time. If it were a major issue then I would definitely get the recall repaired regardless of a TD1 flag.

As I asked earlier, what is the point of delaying the TD1 flag ? How does that "benefit" you ? Or how would the TD1 flag "hurt" you ?

[Potatohead_RS3]

As I asked earlier, what is the point of delaying the TD1 flag ? How does that "benefit" you ? Or how would the TD1 flag "hurt" you ?

So many guys want to mod the shit out of these things but still hope Audi will pay for anything that breaks. If the car isn't TD1 you can put your stock parts back on and try to get it through warranty. A few weeks ago some dude was trying to get Audi to warranty the engine on his TTE700 car

[Leonitus86]

So many guys want to mod the shit out of these things but still hope Audi will pay for anything that breaks. If the car isn't TD1 you can put your stock parts back on and try to get it through warranty. A few weeks ago some dude was trying to get Audi to warranty the engine on his TTE700 car

Maybe he just wanted to try his luck and think he could get away with it?

[legacypgmr]

So many guys want to mod the shit out of these things but still hope Audi will pay for anything that breaks. If the car isn't TD1 you can put your stock parts back on and try to get it through warranty. A few weeks ago some dude was trying to get Audi to warranty the engine on his TTE700 car

Unless Audi is made up of a bunch of morons, even if you DO take ALL your mods off the car, once they hook it up they will STILL know you previously tuned the car and you'll get TD1'd ANYWAY. Sheesh.

[PowerStroke]

I don't understand the logic behind not having your car TD1'd "early". I still have not heard a good argument for this. If you ever need actual warranty work done, they will need to scan it. If your car has ever been tuned, it will get flagged at that point.

It doesn't matter if your car is flagged for TD1 if you are not trying to get any warranty work done. If it's for resale, it's pretty disingenuous to tell the next person that "it's not TD1'd" because when they go to get it serviced, it will get flagged because of the prior mods.

[carlosvjr92]

I can't see how a recall could/would be denied even if the warranty is no longer valid due to,,,,,,,,, whatever.

The recall is to fix a manufacturer's defect.

BTW, did you get your car just recently from Florida Performance Cars in WPB ?

That Cumulus Blue color is something else. Under the indoor fluorescent lights the paint looked as pure white as anything I've ever seen. Outdoors though it looked like an extremely light grey/blue. Very interesting color.

Actually just got it back in May or so. Yea its a crazy color. I actually thought it was white when I first saw it and when I noticed it was blue-ish I was a bit unsure, but so glad I got it! Such a neat color

[comingabriel]

Exactly. This isn`t the mark of the beast on your forehead or anything. Mandatory vaccination and microchipping is after Biden wins.

Sorry, OT. But, we all are already chipped.
Its covert name is project cell phone.
If you tune your car, just own up to your warranty is done, and resale is going to take a hit. I plan to keep my ttrs for a while, so I plan to mod, if/when I get the luxury/chance.

[b7scuderiafan]

I can't see how a recall could/would be denied even if the warranty is no longer valid due to,,,,,,,,, whatever.

The recall is to fix a manufacturer's defect.

Audi won't pay the dealer for the warranty work unless the vehicle is scanned with ODIS, so unless your dealer likes to work for free...

Of course they will do the recalls if your already flagged because at that point no reason not to scan.

Also if the recall includes/ is a software update no avoiding this.


I mean if your savvy you'll check the DSG time in auto/sport/manual (which is recorded as percent of runtime) launch counter and the ECU flash counter with a decent scan tool, you don't need ODIS for this. That tells you what you want to know.

Also rumored Audi implemented auto tuning checks ( software consistency checks) in ODIS that are background and won't show the dealer anything as soon as the vehicle is hooked up. I can't substantiate this but it was stated by a Ross Tech employee on their forum so likely is true. (Thread about the different flags)

[MrWonderful]

So what happens of they see its tuned void warranty

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[r26372]

So what happens of they see its tuned void warranty

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Not the whole warranty, but anything that could remotely be blamed for the tune they won't cover. So if glove box won't stay closed it's covered. Anything engine, transmission, or controlled by ecu they could find a way to blame on the tune. It's a crap shoot really and depends to some extent on dealer. Audi Hoffman Estates, IL is awful for instance


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[Paul@SupremePower]

Plug in now or plug in later it really doesn’t matter. If the day comes that warranty work is needed they will need to plug in. No way around that.

Ppl like to hold off as long as possible and I get that. But it really won’t matter when it comes down to it.

[Leonitus86]

I work at a dealer ship and spoken to lots of techs here and from what I've been told you don't get flagged for a td1 for just getting hooked up for scanning. From what I've been told by the shop foreman is that they will flag you for td1 for something major. Like a blown engine and transmission. When something like that big comes up then at that point they will do a a scan specifically that searches for a tuned ecu/tcu. Most if not all new audi vehicles require a scan tool to reset the oil life and the maintenance inspection light. Even when they do that they are not searching for tunes. Lol. They are just going on about their business. At least where I'm at. Can't speak for all dealers. I told the foreman that I have a Rs3 modded etc and I never took it in because of the fear of getting flagged and he just laughed. He was like dude, relax. We aren't trying to not make money. Warranty pays us money. We will do everything we can to get warranty to pay up etc.

[S3DUDE]

I have a small input to add. My car will be going to the dealership for a sunroof seal replacement. The service advisor manager(above the service advisor) already called me and told me ahead of time that they are going to go on with the seal replacement on Monday but that they will also perform a mandatory scanning. I received the Audi letter like 3 months ago about the scanning and I even had my car in for a couple of other things like losing boost, reading codes and other stuff.

Th way that my friendly mechanic told me is that they can plug in the Scanner but they can pull the plug(scanner) half way through and they don't have to send the full report which would generate the TD1. I was told by the same mechanic that the foreman is the "shot caller" on this regard. I am going to go in person in a few minutes because I am still running E-85 but I don't want to bring my car on Monday and find out that they did a full refresh of my car back to stock. If you guys want an update I would be able to provide that later on in the afternoon(hopefully)