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    radiator fan right side always on issue

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    Hi all i got a wrecked Audi the harness for the radiator fan was damage i repaired it with a new pig tail all wires soldered and solid connections only issue i am having is right fan turns on when the car is started it even turns when the car is unlocked or stays on after the car is shit off for a little and then turns off any ideas if there could be a fuse or relay i could check to resolve this the fans are definitely good thanks for anyone help on advanced


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    That's one long run-on sentence! Seriously though, the problem you're experiencing could very well be related to the fan control module. See the following thread that covers the problem others have had with symptoms similar to the ones you're having: https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...0038-Fan-issue

    Good luck and keep us posted with what you find!
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    The fans are new so the control module should be good cprrect


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    I apologize English isn’t my first language


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    No need to apologize. Glad to have you here and hopefully we can help you work through the problem with the right fan. So the background is that you bought an S4 with front end damage. The damage included both fans and their associated wiring harness. Let's take this step-by-step:

    * You replaced both the right and left fans with brand new (not used) ones. Are the new fans OEM Audi, or are they an aftermarket manufacturer?

    * The electrical harness for the fans was damaged and required you to obtain a new pigtail which included the connecting plug for both fans.

    * You connected the pigtail using the identical color-coded wires that the old harness used (i.e., red wire to red wire, black to black, brown to brown, etc.)

    * There are 2 fans on the S4. The larger of the two is the radiator fan and is located on the driver's side. The smaller fan is for the A/C condenser fan and is located on the passenger's side. Per the title of your thread, the fan on the right (passenger) side of your car is the one that's always on. That would suggest that the problem with your car's fan is associated with the A/C condenser fan, not the larger radiator fan.

    * You never mentioned whether your car is overheating or not. Is the car overheating per the temperature gauge on the dash when the car is running or the ignition is turned on?

    * You also never mentioned whether your car's air conditioning is working properly. Is the A/C blowing cold air when it's turned on? If the fan that's always on is the passenger side one, then a simple test of the A/C fan's functionality would be to turn off the A/C control so that the climate control system would not call for cooling. If the fan is still running with the climate control off, and the A/C off, then we go from there.



    So check to see which fan is always running. If it's the smaller one on the passenger side, that implies the A/C condenser fan is running. If that's the one running, then turn both the climate control and A/C to "Off" which should prevent the A/C condenser fan from running. At least you'll be further down the road to isolating the problem. And it would also be helpful to let us know what model year of S4 you own.
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    radiator fan right side always on issue

    Yes i replaces both with OEM Audi fans , the car is a 2011 Audi s4 b8 the ac is running great the driver side turns on when the ac is on it but when off stays off the passenger side turns on with the car and when i turn it off it even stays on for about 50 sec when i unlock the car you can hear the fan turn on as well i am not having over heating issues but the car is showing sometimes lower then normally for the temperature i didn’t know if it’s because i have a aftermarket super charger heat exchanger with its own divorces coolant pump and res also correct yes i changed the full pigtail with connector matches everything with the colors as should been soldered it and heatshrinked and wrapped it all up better then factory in my opinion lol , do you know if there is a fuse or relay i can look for ?


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    Just to confirm, you can turn off the climate control system and A/C and the passenger side fan shuts off and stays off? That would indicate that it's working correctly in my opinion. But in the title of this thread, you say that the passenger side fan (right side) is always on. Even if you are in the middle of winter, the A/C will operate to assist in defrosting the windshield. So I would suggest that you look in the owners manual for the fuse assignment for the A/C Condenser fan and remove the fuse to see if that shuts the fan off. I don't have an opportunity at the moment to look up the fuse assignment.

    Edit to add information. Since I too have a 2011 S4, I pulled the owners manual out of the glove box. Hopefully your car also came with the owners manual. At any rate, you'll find the fuses assignments and amps values on pages 321 through 324. There are fuse block locations behind the end of the dashboard on the drivers side, similarly on the end of the dashboard on the passenger side, and also in the right side of the trunk/luggage compartment.

    Unfortunately, there are multiple fuses associated with the heating/cooling/ventilation (AKA climate control system).

    On the driver's side fuse panel, here are the fuse assignments and descriptions:
    Panel A Fuse 5 - Climate control - 5 amps
    Panel A Fuse 12 - Climate control - 5 amps
    Panels A and C also have assignments for "Vehicle electrical system control module 1" on Fuse A-8 and Fuses C-6, 7, 8 and 10. It's not possible for me to know whether these may supply the cooling fans and their associated control modules.

    On the passenger's side fuse panel, here are the related fuse assignments and descriptions:
    Panel B Fuse 8 - Climate control system blower - 40 amps
    Panel B Fuse 10 - Climate control - 10 amps

    As you can see, any notion of pulling fuses to see which one(s) control the passenger's side A/C Fan that is always running may not be productive, unless you have access to the electrical schematic diagram for how this fan is wired and which fuses and modules control its operation. Perhaps someone here on Audizine has access to the B8 electrical schematics and can provide the information you need to move forward with isolating the problem with your fan.

    Keep us posted on your resolution efforts!
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    I checked the fuse there all good i am getting code p048100 for the fan


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    I do sometimes have some thermostats issues where my car goes under the middle when on the highway but i do have a aftermarket supercharge heat exchanger with separate resivior i didn’t know if that was why


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    Thanks for sharing that code. Out of curiosity, is that the only fault code that your car is displaying? Are there any dashboard light indicators, e.g., Check Engine", etc? Does the "aftermarket supercharger heat exchanger with separate reservoir" on your car have any temperature sensors or electrical connections on it? Perhaps a call to the manufacturer (or reseller) of that unit can confirm whether the use of it on your vehicle can cause the erratic or occasional fan run on condition you're experiencing, or any unusual temperature gauge readings you're seeing. You also mentioned "thermostat issues" in your post. Do you know if the thermostat has ever been changed? Also, since you got the car used, after an accident, do you know whether the coolant has ever been changed, and whether the appropriate Audi-approved coolant was used (e.g., G12++, G13)?

    A search on the web for Fault Code P0481 (Cooling Fan 2 Control Circuit) yielded this page of info. Here's what it says (and recognize this may not be specific to Audi S4s):

    P0481 code definition:
    The P0481 code identifies a problem with the control circuit for cooling fan 2. It is often associated with the P0480 code.

    What the P0481 code means:
    P0481 is the OBD-II generic code for a problem with the control circuit for cooling fan 2. The cooling fan should be commanded on under certain conditions where the engine requires more cooling, and this is controlled via the cooling fan relay. If this does not take place, the Check Engine light will illuminate on the dashboard.

    What causes the P0481 code?
    The cooling fan 2 control circuit malfunction code may have several causes:

    The cooling fan itself is faulty
    The cooling fan relay is faulty
    There is damage or a short in the harness connecting the cooling fan relay causing a poor connection.
    The wiring connecting the cooling fan to the harness has a short or other damage causing a poor connection.
    What are the symptoms of the P0481 code?
    Other than illuminating the Check Engine light on the dashboard, the P0481 code may cause the engine to overheat as a symptom. This is because the cooling fan, meant to help regulate the coolant temperature, did not function properly when commanded on by the ECM (engine control module).

    How does a mechanic diagnose the P0481 code?
    P0481 is diagnosed with an OBD-II scanner. A qualified technician will use a scanner that is capable of scanning the factory sensor readings (more advanced than one from the auto parts store) to read the code. The code will then be reset.

    The technician will then observe data on the scanner while driving. If the same code comes back, then both cooling fan 2 and the associated relay will be inspected for damage or a short in the wiring. If the code does not come back, then the technician will perform further testing to diagnose the issue.

    Common mistakes when diagnosing the P0481 code:
    Often when the P0481 code is observed, it is immediately assumed that either the cooling fan itself needs to be replaced or the cooling fan relay is faulty. There are a number of sensors the ECM (engine control module) uses to control the cooling fan relay. These include:

    The air intake temperature sensor
    The engine coolant temperature sensor
    The A/C refrigerant pressure sensor
    The vehicle speed sensor
    These components should be inspected along with with the cooling fan relay and wiring to ensure that the issue is taken care of without needlessly replacing parts.

    How serious is the P0481 code?
    The P0481 code will not prevent the vehicle from starting and driving, but all the same it can be a serious issue. In conditions where the engine is experiencing excess heat, serious damage could occur if the cooling system cannot work properly. Overheating in the engine can damage a number of crucial components and lead to very expensive repairs.

    What repairs can fix the P0481 code?
    The most common potential repairs to address the P0481 code are as follows:

    Inspect the electrical connections to the cooling fan and relay to insure they are attached.
    Disconnect it, inspect the connections for corrosion or other issues, and then reinstall to insure a fresh electrical connection.
    Visually inspect for frayed or broken wiring on the connector or harness. Repair or replace the wiring as necessary.
    If the wiring is not the issue, then the cooling fan relay itself needs to be inspected and possibly replaced.
    If none of the above steps solve the problem and make the code go away, then the cooling fan itself may be to blame.
    The cooling fan may need replacement. In some cases, the cooling fan and the cooling fan relay need to both be replaced.
    Additional comments for consideration regarding the P0481 code
    When there is a trouble code present that can be set off by a sensor in the drivetrain, there are a number of possible causes. Sometimes small electrical issues or malfunctions can falsely set off codes, so the first step in diagnosis is always to reset the code and see if it activates again when the vehicle is running. Sometimes the code occurs constantly as soon as the engine is turned on.

    Simple things like a bad wire or corrosion around the connectors can cause trouble codes to appear. This is why it is crucial to have a qualified technician perform a diagnosis before any parts are replaced.
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    I have no engine light i have 2 codes i can’t remember off top my head but i will plug in the Vcds when i get to my friends . One was for the radiator 2 fan and other was for the supercharger pump no signal because i have aftermarket heatexchanger that’s divorced from the car coolant so it has its own separate res and pump and coolant there are no sensors on the supercharger heat exchanger side . Yes i changed the coolant in the car with g13 that for the super charger as well as main car system. I have no idea if the thermostats has ever been changed but i did change the water pump and there are no leaks or any issues from there. I am having a very slow leak checked all hoses and water pump no evidence of leaking but i think i will look into changing the thermost i herd the break and leak and could cause the issues i am having. Thank you again for all your time and support


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