Michelin Pilot Super Sport vs Pilot Sport 4S vs Pilot Sport Cup 2

[Nardo Grey]

Hello Audizine!

I hope you all are safe, healthy and in good spirits at home!

I am looking at getting some new tires for my B8.5 S4. I currently have the Continental ExtremeContact Sport tires. Is 255/35 ZR19 the right tire size for my car? That's what I found on both the front and rear tires on my car now.

My first question is should I get another pair of the Continental's or move over to Michelin?

If I am to move over to the Michelin's, what tire model is best for my car? I want a tire that is durable, but that also performs well. I have a friend who runs the Pilot Sport 4S' on his Mazda and he loves them. If anyone has any experience with these tires or the Continental's that would be great. If you would like to add anything, please feel free to do so. My car is stock, except for Soundaktor being removed.

Thank you so much, and I hope you all are well!

Cheers,

Charlie
:)

[Neski]

Hey Charlie,

That is the correct size for OEM wheel set up (19x8.5 ET 43).

My experience is the compound of Continental tends to wear faster. Still a great tire but if longevity is your focus Michelin tend to have deeper treads and seem to last a lot longer.

The Pilot 4 S are a great tire from what I have heard. Depends how you use your car really. For a daily, I think the Pilot 3 and 4 is a little over the top IMO. A more daily friendy/better sippage for rain would be the Pilot Sport A/S 3+, and much cheaper.

I have the Pilot Sport A/S 3+ right now and they are great for where I live. A very durable and versatile tire.

Edit: pot hole city roads, potential gravel roads, lots of rain, hell even snow in June is possible :)

[vanity]

If you never get snow or really cold weather (looks like you're in norcal so should be fine), get the PS4S. They handle great and last forever. If you think you might drive somewhere temps get close to freezing, etc., AS3+ is definitely great. I live in Canada and have had both, currently have the AS3+ since I want better performance in shoulder seasons.

If you are driving your car in the canyons, track days, etc, and don't worry about treadwear, sport cup 2 is the obvious choice. I would hazard a guess that based on the fact you aren't even sure what size to get, this is not the tire for you.

edit: under no circumstances would I ever buy a continental over a michelin. The michelin performance tires are second to none for grip/noise/treadwear.

[emrewawa]

Cup 2’s for a stock car not being driven on the track is so overkill.

PS4S is what you want.


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[Nardo Grey]

I just wanted to confirm the tire size with the OE wheel setup. They are what I have on now. I assume it would be the right choice to go with the PS4S', right? From what I have seen is that the Sport Cup 2 is a stickier tire, but has less durability. It never gets below 45 here, would it be smart to pick up a pair of the AS3+'s because it gets that cool here, or will the PS4S' serve me best?

Thank you so much for your reply! It is really useful to me as there is so much information online about tires.

Thanks again,

Charlie

[jimrobbington]

I ran the PSS for two rounds and loved them. The PS4S are the new and improved version of those. Thinking there's no way they could improve the original PSS I have them a try anyway. Was blown away how much better they were. Definitely best tires I've ever owned. I run a ~475 chp dual pulley setup, and they are just so predictable and amazing in every condition I've run them in.

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[emrewawa]

PS4S is PSS level performance with a longer tread life and warranty


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[jimrobbington]

PS4S will be fine in 45+ temps. I live in Denver area and have been forced to drive in lower temps and they still amazed me. I believe Tire Rack states these tires are totally safe at 40 deg.

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[Nardo Grey]

Good to know that the PS4S will be fine in around 45 degree temps. Does anyone have any experience with Pirelli P Zeros at all? I have also heard good things about them as well. Since Continental is pretty much out of the race here, When I get new tires, should I go to my dealer or should I go to Tire Rack?

Thank you to those who have replied so far!

I appreciate it!

Charlie

[Mike Literous]

I've got PS4s on my S5. Great road tire. They handle the compromise between dry grip, wet grip, wear, noise, and $$$ perfectly. Only other tire I'd suggest is Yokahama AD08r. They are more biased towards dry grip, but are ok in the wet (much better than Bridsgestone RE71r) low noise but do wear more and need a little temperature in them to work.

Also not sure u can get them in USA

[RatBustard]

Good to know that the PS4S will be fine in around 45 degree temps. Does anyone have any experience with Pirelli P Zeros at all? I have also heard good things about them as well. Since Continental is pretty much out of the race here, When I get new tires, should I go to my dealer or should I go to Tire Rack?

Thank you to those who have replied so far!

I appreciate it!

Charlie

order them from Tire Rack and have them sent to one of their authorized installers or find a local tire shop you trust. I'm local to Tire Rack, so I've had tires installed there.

[MSq5]

I've got PS4s on my S5. Great road tire. They handle the compromise between dry grip, wet grip, wear, noise, and $$$ perfectly. Only other tire I'd suggest is Yokahama AD08r. They are more biased towards dry grip, but are ok in the wet (much better than Bridsgestone RE71r) low noise but do wear more and need a little temperature in them to work.

Also not sure u can get them in USA

If you want a summer Extreme Performance rated tire (closest thing to track/competition compound with street manners and tread life) indeed, the Yoko Advan Neova AD08R tires are amazing if you can find them. Very sticky. I mean very sticky. I ran them on a highly modified Mazdaspeed 3 hot hatchback. Very happy with them, thought two sets. They are available in the US through Tire Rack in your tire size, but may require special order. They will be more aggressive and sticky than the PS4S. One hell of a near-track grip grip tire.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes


But, for my Audi I did need an all season. 90% of the time I’m fine with summer tires, but I do travel “up north” in cold weather so when it came time to replace my summer tires (Bridgestone Dueler Sport H/P), I went with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+. Not as sticky, but still very good. With traction control off and launching hard with dual pulley tune and TCU tune, they barely chirp if the road surface is decent, and I can take them north this winter.

For a summer tire on an S4 with 19” rims, AD08R will be superb. For an all season, the PSS A/S 3+ performs very will.

[wes8398]

Haven't read all the previous replies, but don't count out the Firestone Firehawk Indy 500. I've run them on a few vehicles (summer temps only) for mostly daily driving but also a free autoX events a month and maybe a couple lapping nights a summer as well. Very very happy with them.

[Nardo Grey]

Thank you all for the replies! I will definitely look into the Yoko Advan Neova AD08R tire for my S4. Is it worthwhile to look into Pirelli P Zero's? They seem like a great tire. Are they on par with Michelin's and Yokohama's high performance summer tires? In any case, thank you all for your thoughts and knowledge! It has been very helpful!

Thank you!

Charlie

[Joker S4]

I went with PS4S and don't think I'll ever get away from them. They're great coming from the PSS. I'm sure other tires out there are great too, but I'm staying with Michelin.

[wes8398]

Thank you all for the replies! I will definitely look into the Yoko Advan Neova AD08R tire for my S4. Is it worthwhile to look into Pirelli P Zero's? They seem like a great tire. Are they on par with Michelin's and Yokohama's high performance summer tires? In any case, thank you all for your thoughts and knowledge! It has been very helpful!

Thank you!

Charlie

Best you can do is rather than getting the options of a handful of forum members, go to Tirerack.com and read thousands of reviews right there on their site. They also do independent testing, etc.
Personally, I'd take the Indy 500 over any of what you just mentioned (besides the Michelins)

[TC_S4]

I went from Continental ExtremeContact Sport to Michelin PS4s. Ps4s are the best tire I ever owned, it an improvement over Continental ExtremeContact Sport in all the ways, performance, durability & ... However, it’s a bit pricey, I am due for another set of tire, probably get Indy 500 a try.

[Neski]

Thank you all for the replies! I will definitely look into the Yoko Advan Neova AD08R tire for my S4. Is it worthwhile to look into Pirelli P Zero's? They seem like a great tire. Are they on par with Michelin's and Yokohama's high performance summer tires? In any case, thank you all for your thoughts and knowledge! It has been very helpful!

Thank you!

Charlie

P Zeros are basically what every other tire manufacturer has tried to replicate for years. That says a lot. They are a great tire for all sorts of use but from what I've heard the Michelin Pilot 4S is basically a tire that has finally jumped above the P Zeros in many facets. However, you will see the price difference and honestly, if price is a concern, the P Zeros are basically the best bang for buck I believe.

Some other great suggestions above too which are substantially lower in price without sacrificing hard differences.

Just note Pirelli's have a pretty low tread depth BUT that is good in some applications. Are you planning to lower the vehicle, get wider wheels, spacers, in the near future? The P zeros have a much lower shoulder so they work better IMO for fully flushed wheels with low stance.

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[Nardo Grey]

Hey Neski!

Good to know about the good value on the P Zeros. If I do lower my car, I will look into those more. I'm not planning on doing any huge mods to my car yet. I want to look at an intake and breaks first and then move to suspension. From what I have heard, I think I will stick to the PS4S'. I have looked at them on Tire Rack and they just look good. Tire Rack had a pretty lengthy review that I read in it's entirety and I am pretty set on the PS4S. Once my tires wear down to close to the TWI I will get them replaced. When that time comes around, do you think that I should go to Tire Rack or my dealer for that? I would get them in the OEM size as my wheels are stock. I'll also eventually look into new wheels as well. I kinda like the Audi Genuine wheels. I'd just like to thank everyone for their input! As always, please feel free to add anything that you all see fit!

Thank you so much!

Charlie

[kevinz]

Let me save you the trouble. Tire Rack highest rated summer tire will be the PS4S and for good reason. I had PSS and loved them unless it was wet. PS4S has better wet traction (but be at least a little cautions) it's an amazing tire. Do it and don't look back.

If you stay with 8.5 inch tires, you want 255s. I just upgraded to 9.5" wheels and 265s and holy crap is it mean as hell looking. But my 255s PSSs were a ton of fun and looked great on the 8.5 inch peelers (with spacers).

Michelins are on the wider side, and you'll be fine at 255s on 8.5s. But if you get wider tires like my 19x9.5 ET 40 and the PS4S 265s rub a little but but not other brands at the same fitment. But enjoy the 255s - really no reason you need to go wider unless you're a crazy person.

[MSq5]

Best you can do is rather than getting the options of a handful of forum members, go to Tirerack.com and read thousands of reviews right there on their site. They also do independent testing, etc.
Personally, I'd take the Indy 500 over any of what you just mentioned (besides the Michelins)

Wes, I’m a bit confused. You recommend OP consult Tire Rack for independent testing, rather than just a handful of forum opinions, then proceed to offer such opinion. Indeed most of us, myself included, do just that in making our choices. We consult Tire Rack testing before purchasing.

The RE71r and AD 08R tires are top tier Tire Rack tested Extreme Performance summer tires (as good as it gets without buying track compound), the PS4S is a slight step down Max Performance summer tire that gives up a little dry traction but does a bit better in the rain. But, the Indy 500 is a two steps down UHP tire that finished third our of four tires tested in Tire Rack’s comparison. About all it has going for it is a lower price.

If OP wants the best summer tire, especially in the dry, that is streetable, Tire Rack would agree with our suggestions to look at the Extreme Performance AD08R or RE71r (I think discontinued and superseded) or the Max Performance PS4S.

[MSq5]

Let me save you the trouble. Tire Rack highest rated summer tire will be the PS4S and for good reason. I had PSS and loved them unless it was wet. PS4S has better wet traction (but be at least a little cautions) it's an amazing tire. Do it and don't look back.

If you stay with 8.5 inch tires, you want 255s. I just upgraded to 9.5" wheels and 265s and holy crap is it mean as hell looking. But my 255s PSSs were a ton of fun and looked great on the 8.5 inch peelers (with spacers).

Michelins are on the wider side, and you'll be fine at 255s on 8.5s. But if you get wider tires like my 19x9.5 ET 40 and the PS4S 265s rub a little but but not other brands at the same fitment. But enjoy the 255s - really no reason you need to go wider unless you're a crazy person.

The PS4S is a Max Performance summer tire. It is the best in that category, but Extreme Performance tires are better performing on a dry road surface, giving up a little (very little) in the wet. It will not be as fast or as sticky as the AD 08R or RE71r or their newer superseded versions (Yoko A052 and Bridgestone S007A respectively). They are the closest to R compound competition tires with livable street manners. The PS4S is only the highest rated in its Max Performance category. EP tires will go off and leave it on the track, autocross or winding, twisty country road.

[wes8398]

Wes, I’m a bit confused...

Yes, you are. I wasn't suggesting that OP doesn't listen to the advice given here in favour of tire rack's reviews. I was suggesting he do both. I then offered MY experience/suggestion to him. That's all. For what he will be using the tires for, I would still recommend the Indy 500. If he wants to spend money for no good reason and be completely overkill for daily driving... He can go ahead and fill his boots!

[MSq5]

Yes, you are. I wasn't suggesting that OP doesn't listen to the advice given here in favour of tire rack's reviews. I was suggesting he do both. I then offered MY experience/suggestion to him. That's all. For what he will be using the tires for, I would still recommend the Indy 500. If he wants to spend money for no good reason and be completely overkill for daily driving... He can go ahead and fill his boots!

I was being polite, sir. Your choice of tires was two performance levels below the tires we were discussing based on the manufacturers rating systems (EP>Max>UHP>Touring) and Tire Rack’s independent testing, which you advocate, even though it’s testing of the Indy 500 tires found them mediocre, at best.

I did not see OP seriously considering mid-pack UHP summer tires. He is currently running higher category Max Performance Continental tires and exploring whether to get their Michelin equivalent or move up to something even stickier.

No doubt the Indy 500s are serving you well. But to call Max Performance or higher Extreme Performance summer tires “no good reason” for a car with the performance capabilities of an S4 is to underestimate both the car and its many who drive them.

[Mike Literous]

If you want a summer Extreme Performance rated tire (closest thing to track/competition compound with street manners and tread life) indeed, the Yoko Advan Neova AD08R tires are amazing if you can find them. Very sticky. I mean very sticky. I ran them on a highly modified Mazdaspeed 3 hot hatchback. Very happy with them, thought two sets. They are available in the US through Tire Rack in your tire size, but may require special order. They will be more aggressive and sticky than the PS4S. One hell of a near-track grip grip tire.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes


But, for my Audi I did need an all season. 90% of the time I’m fine with summer tires, but I do travel “up north” in cold weather so when it came time to replace my summer tires (Bridgestone Dueler Sport H/P), I went with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+. Not as sticky, but still very good. With traction control off and launching hard with dual pulley tune and TCU tune, they barely chirp if the road surface is decent, and I can take them north this winter.

For a summer tire on an S4 with 19” rims, AD08R will be superb. For an all season, the PSS A/S 3+ performs very will.

I’d suggest the ps4s for sure. I run them on my s5, and run their cousins ps4 on my old bmw m635csi. Great all round tyre. I run the Yokohama ad08r on my supercharged bmw e34 540i approx 600bhp only driving the rear wheels. On an Audi with all wheel drive they may be too much tyre unless u are at stage2+ levels of power.

[m1k3d3]

Running PS4S on my S4 and absolutely loving how sticky yet comfortable they are.

[wes8398]

Wes, I’m a bit confused. You recommend OP consult Tire Rack for independent testing, rather than just a handful of forum opinions, then proceed to offer such opinion. Indeed most of us, myself included, do just that in making our choices. We consult Tire Rack testing before purchasing.

The RE71r and AD 08R tires are top tier Tire Rack tested Extreme Performance summer tires (as good as it gets without buying track compound), the PS4S is a slight step down Max Performance summer tire that gives up a little dry traction but does a bit better in the rain. But, the Indy 500 is a two steps down UHP tire that finished third our of four tires tested in Tire Rack’s comparison. About all it has going for it is a lower price.

If OP wants the best summer tire, especially in the dry, that is streetable, Tire Rack would agree with our suggestions to look at the Extreme Performance AD08R or RE71r (I think discontinued and superseded) or the Max Performance PS4S.

You and others seem very stuck on this fairly arbitrary marketing tool of performance categories. I tend to view marketing measures like this and tread wear ratings through some pretty skeptical glasses.

Anyway... that "mediocre" tire tire is more than enough for daily duty that OP seems to be looking for. I was VERY happy with them for daily driving duty, and even rather impressed with them (with reasonable expectations set, of course) on 2 seasons of autocross as well as a handful of HPDE/lapping nights.

EP tires are most certainly overkill... but so are plenty of things we do to our vehicles. So again, it's just an option that I thought I'd present to OP. And a very viable one at that, given OP's apparent needs.

Seems that he's overlooking the Firestone, which I don't feel is wise... But that's up to him. Just wanted to mention them.

Let's quit littering his thread with this pissing match.

[Nardo Grey]

Hey Wes!

I have not looked into the Firestones as I have not really heard of anyone loving their lineup. Now, that may be because my car buddies all run Michelin's, but if you feel as is they are a great option, please let me know and I will look into them. If there are a few benefits that can edge the Firestone above the PS4S, please let me know. Just because I haven't heard of Firestone doesn't mean that they aren't a perfectly viable option. From what I have seen is that the performance categories are generally a blanket term used to describe what niche the tire fits into. I personally believe that they are a reasonable representation of what the tire will be. Now, of course, nothing substituted time driving on the tire. I do appreciate your input here though.

MSq5,

Thank you so much for your input here; it has been very useful and helpful to me. As of now, I still think that I will stick (pun intended) to the PS4S. From what you and others have said is that they are pretty much the best for what I am looking for. Thank you for taking the time to help me get a better understanding as to what tire would be best for my needs, I really appreciate it.

I'd just like to thank everyone who responded! You took time out of your day to help me understand this, and that means a lot to me; so thank you! As always, please feel free to add another reply if you think there is something that I should know.

Thank you so much,

Charlie

[Mike Literous]

Great choice. It seems to me anyway a waste to specify a performance car or upgrade the performance on a car and use average tyres. So many people do. When purchasing a 2nd hand car you firstly look at the quality of tyres they use which tells a lot about how much they look after and maintain their car IMO

[K_Estes]

Haven't read all the previous replies, but don't count out the Firestone Firehawk Indy 500. I've run them on a few vehicles (summer temps only) for mostly daily driving but also a free autoX events a month and maybe a couple lapping nights a summer as well. Very very happy with them.

I just got a pair of these and now that temps are up and worn in a little I am very happy with them especially at the price.

[MSq5]

Hey Wes!

I have not looked into the Firestones as I have not really heard of anyone loving their lineup. Now, that may be because my car buddies all run Michelin's, but if you feel as is they are a great option, please let me know and I will look into them. If there are a few benefits that can edge the Firestone above the PS4S, please let me know. Just because I haven't heard of Firestone doesn't mean that they aren't a perfectly viable option. From what I have seen is that the performance categories are generally a blanket term used to describe what niche the tire fits into. I personally believe that they are a reasonable representation of what the tire will be. Now, of course, nothing substituted time driving on the tire. I do appreciate your input here though.

MSq5,

Thank you so much for your input here; it has been very useful and helpful to me. As of now, I still think that I will stick (pun intended) to the PS4S. From what you and others have said is that they are pretty much the best for what I am looking for. Thank you for taking the time to help me get a better understanding as to what tire would be best for my needs, I really appreciate it.

I'd just like to thank everyone who responded! You took time out of your day to help me understand this, and that means a lot to me; so thank you! As always, please feel free to add another reply if you think there is something that I should know.

Thank you so much,

Charlie

The PS4S would be a great choice, approaching the RE71r and AD08R performance level (and even newer EP offerings) on dry surfaces but with a bit better wet performance.

[RWD2quattro]

I've been a Michelin die hard since the Pilot Sport early days, to me hands down Michelin tires are the best out there. I went from PS to PS2 to PSS to PS4S and also Cup 2's thru out the years. As you step up the line your definitely feel the difference in handling so slightly. I run Cup 2's on the road thru summer/fall, from canyon runs and some track and love them, grip is phenomenal even when compared to PS4S. How do I tell, easy, when going from cup 2's to PS4S takes me a bit to build that confidence again. IMHO the only Japanese tire I'd consider is RE71r, everything else garbage, noisy as heck, hard as sidewall and suck in the wet.

The new Goodyear line up in Europe is bad ass, too bad we won't get them here. The new Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport R and RS

Edit: By the way I run 265/35/19 PS4S on stock rotor wheels and Cup 2's on my ADV wheels 19x9.5.

[MSq5]

I've been a Michelin die hard since the Pilot Sport early days, to me hands down Michelin tires are the best out there. I went from PS to PS2 to PSS to PS4S and also Cup 2's thru out the years. As you step up the line your definitely feel the difference in handling so slightly. I run Cup 2's on the road thru summer/fall, from canyon runs and some track and love them, grip is phenomenal even when compared to PS4S. How do I tell, easy, when going from cup 2's to PS4S takes me a bit to build that confidence again. IMHO the only Japanese tire I'd consider is RE71r, everything else garbage, noisy as heck, hard as sidewall and suck in the wet.

The new Goodyear line up in Europe is bad ass, too bad we won't get them here. The new Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport R and RS

Edit: By the way I run 265/35/19 PS4S on stock rotor wheels and Cup 2's on my ADV wheels 19x9.5.

Cup 2’s are fantastic tires but wear fast. As to be expected with a competition tire .Clearly a step up from PS4S if you don’t mind replacing them more often.

But, with respect I don’t think you’ve compared PS4S with either RE71r or with AD08R. I’ve have a lot of experience with the latter and found them not any more noisy and less so than most EP tires, appropriate sidewall stiffness for their category, and decent (although not excellent in the wet. Dry performance is superb. I agree that a PS4S will do better on a wet track, but will quickly lag behind in the dry.

The newer EP Advan 052A surpasses the RE71r, both dry and wet, with better road manners.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=242

[0114]

Hello Audizine!

I hope you all are safe, healthy and in good spirits at home!

I am looking at getting some new tires for my B8.5 S4. I currently have the Continental ExtremeContact Sport tires. Is 255/35 ZR19 the right tire size for my car? That's what I found on both the front and rear tires on my car now.

My first question is should I get another pair of the Continental's or move over to Michelin?

If I am to move over to the Michelin's, what tire model is best for my car? I want a tire that is durable, but that also performs well. I have a friend who runs the Pilot Sport 4S' on his Mazda and he loves them. If anyone has any experience with these tires or the Continental's that would be great. If you would like to add anything, please feel free to do so. My car is stock, except for Soundaktor being removed.

Thank you so much, and I hope you all are well!

Cheers,

Charlie
:)

Charlie,
I've run the PSS on my B7 S4 for the last 2 sets of tires and loved them, however couldn't get more than ~30k out of them. Very predictable tire and never had any trouble in heavy rain. They are a fairly soft compound. I recently moved to Denver and the PSS does not like snow! I'm now running the PS A/S 3+ and they are a great all season alternative.

[Waffles_s4]

You and others seem very stuck on this fairly arbitrary marketing tool of performance categories. I tend to view marketing measures like this and tread wear ratings through some pretty skeptical glasses.

Anyway... that "mediocre" tire tire is more than enough for daily duty that OP seems to be looking for. I was VERY happy with them for daily driving duty, and even rather impressed with them (with reasonable expectations set, of course) on 2 seasons of autocross as well as a handful of HPDE/lapping nights.

EP tires are most certainly overkill... but so are plenty of things we do to our vehicles. So again, it's just an option that I thought I'd present to OP. And a very viable one at that, given OP's apparent needs.

Seems that he's overlooking the Firestone, which I don't feel is wise... But that's up to him. Just wanted to mention them.

Let's quit littering his thread with this pissing match.

Agree with you 100%.

In Canada the Indy 500 is half the price of the PS4S. And its plenty for the S4, even if modified.

People seem to think of their s4, or sq5 in that case, as some kind of super cars.. They cannot really get over the fact that the S4 is a two tons cars, that's meant to be a faster than A4 daily driver. So they imagine it being an m2 or c63 amg on a track blowing smoke as the rear end is sliding all over the place. So they feel compelled to recommend the PS4S.

The PS4S is really one hell of a tire, I have not heard a single complaint about it, from performance to thread life, to noise level. But it's price point is really not easy to swallow, in Canada after tax its like $1600sh

[wes8398]

Hey Wes!...

I'm definitely not saying that the Indy 500 is going to out-perform the Michelin you're learning toward. I was only suggesting it as a very good option for daily duty and even some light/non-competitive track/autoX duty. There is no doubt that the PS4S is a better tire. It's also significantly more money, though.
I just went through all the comments here, and was surprised to see that nobody's asked you what kind of driving you're doing. Are you planning any tracking, HPDE, autoX, canyon runs, etc? Is it just a daily duty car that provides a fun way to get to and from work and errands?
These are probably the most important questions you need to answer in order to get the most appropriate (notice I didn't say "best") tire. The PS4S is certainly an awesome tire, but that doesn't mean it's awesome for YOU. If you're just booting around doing daily duty stuff, then it's definitely overkill, and you'd never even realize the advantages that they have over tires like the Indy 500. But it's your money and it's your ride, so of course that's completely your choice. If daily duty is all you're going to be using these for, you'll certainly be happy with the PS4S!! But I'd argue that you'd probably be just as happy with many other tires that come in a lot less expensive. Again, it's your money and your car man. Best of luck.

[wes8398]

I just got a pair of these and now that temps are up and worn in a little I am very happy with them especially at the price.

They're really a great value. They're actually a rebranded Bridgestone that's been out in Asia & Australia for quite some time... Which are also very well reviewed. RE003, maybe? Anyway, yah, they're not a dedicated track tire by any means. But they held up surprisingly well the times I had them out for lapping nights and autoX. And they're GREAT dailies. Comfortable, quiet, smooth, grippy, great in the rain... Oh, and they're even nice LOOKING!! LoL

[evanb]

I've been a Michelin die hard since the Pilot Sport early days, to me hands down Michelin tires are the best out there. I went from PS to PS2 to PSS to PS4S and also Cup 2's thru out the years. As you step up the line your definitely feel the difference in handling so slightly. I run Cup 2's on the road thru summer/fall, from canyon runs and some track and love them, grip is phenomenal even when compared to PS4S. How do I tell, easy, when going from cup 2's to PS4S takes me a bit to build that confidence again. IMHO the only Japanese tire I'd consider is RE71r, everything else garbage, noisy as heck, hard as sidewall and suck in the wet.

The new Goodyear line up in Europe is bad ass, too bad we won't get them here. The new Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport R and RS

Edit: By the way I run 265/35/19 PS4S on stock rotor wheels and Cup 2's on my ADV wheels 19x9.5.

I've been a Michelin fan since the Micheline X circa 1969. Currently run the PS4S and the Pilot Alpin PA4.

[Nardo Grey]

As to what type of driving I am doing, I don't plan on tracking my car yet. I have been looking into HPDE's but I don't think any of them will happen anytime soon unfortunately. I do enjoy driving, and I like windy roads because it is such a more intimate experience between the car and the driver. On on ramps it is fun to hear the DSG farts too. I also want to have a tire that I know I can trust.

One more thing about Michelin tires: I love the Michelin Man! He is just so cute! An added bonus is that he is smiling, so that makes him adorable!

I've really come to appreciate the Audizine community here, so thank you so much for all of your help! It really does mean a lot to me.

Thank you, and please stay safe and healthy!

Respectfully,

Charlie

[Envy187]

One more thing about Michelin tires: I love the Michelin Man! He is just so cute! An added bonus is that he is smiling, so that makes him adorable!

That settles the debate, once and for all.

Enjoy your Michelin PS4S's!