Dynamic Steering vs disabling DSR

[Coderedpl]

Hello everyone,

So I've been doing some research on a floaty feeling of the car, where it feels like I consistently have to keep correcting, which led me to the DSR 'disable' topics.

What I haven't found a good answer to yet is in regards to those who also have the Dynamic Steering package as part of the driver assist package. The closest thing I found was that the two are not related and the dynamic steering in the prestige packages affect the speed sensitive ratios.

With that said, did anybody with the Prestige driver assist package see any I'll effects besides a soft code?

Thanks in advance


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[DriveBikeRun]

I have a 2013 Prestige without the Dynamic Steering package (I think), but I can definitely relate to the floaty feeling as it used to drive me crazy constantly making small adjustments on the highway. The combination of a chassis brace (034 X-brace) and DSR disable completely took care of it for me. Have you tried either of those yet?


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[Coderedpl]

I have a 2013 Prestige without the Dynamic Steering package (I think), but I can definitely relate to the floaty feeling as it used to drive me crazy constantly making small adjustments on the highway. The combination of a chassis brace (034 X-brace) and DSR disable completely took care of it for me. Have you tried either of those yet?


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I haven't yet, but disabling DSR is on the to do list. Was just curious to see if there are any ill effects of doing so on cars with the package

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[Coderedpl]

So I've come to learn DSR was already disabled on my car . So it's quite possible that with the dynamic steering package it gets disabled.

Guess I'll need to look into the other things now.

[agentsmith988]

I believe there was a TSB that included a software update that disabled DSR. My S4 had it flashed at about 15k miles. At 90k miles I started having steering issues (steering did not want to stay at the 12 o'clock position/felt like magnets pushing against each other). I ended up finding a re-manufactured steering rack with the latest internal components and swapped it. Steering has been perfect ever since.

[KLX]

Can it be done with ODBeleven?

[Brother Owl]

The steering software update TSB is 48K8. It does help with B8.5 A4/S4 vehicle steering notchiness/wandering but doesn't completely solve the underlying issue. In most cases the steering rack will need to be replaced with a newer revision, which effectively renders the "dynamic" steering feature obsolete. I personally don't feel the loss of dynamic steering outweighs the annoyance and unpredictability caused by Audi's misstep with the B8.5 electronic steering. YMMV

[DriveBikeRun]

So I've come to learn DSR was already disabled on my car . So it's quite possible that with the dynamic steering package it gets disabled.

Guess I'll need to look into the other things now.

At least now you know and can move on to other things. I don’t think you will regret changing to a stiffer chassis brace, but they are damn pricey for what they are.


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[DriveBikeRun]

Can it be done with ODBeleven?

Yep, that’s how I did it.


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[Coderedpl]

I believe there was a TSB that included a software update that disabled DSR. My S4 had it flashed at about 15k miles. At 90k miles I started having steering issues (steering did not want to stay at the 12 o'clock position/felt like magnets pushing against each other). I ended up finding a re-manufactured steering rack with the latest internal components and swapped it. Steering has been perfect ever since.

The steering software update TSB is 48K8. It does help with B8.5 A4/S4 vehicle steering notchiness/wandering but doesn't completely solve the underlying issue. In most cases the steering rack will need to be replaced with a newer revision, which effectively renders the "dynamic" steering feature obsolete. I personally don't feel the loss of dynamic steering outweighs the annoyance and unpredictability caused by Audi's misstep with the B8.5 electronic steering. YMMV

Pretty sure I have the TSB then, when I had my car in for a full alignment including radar I asked them to check for any applicable TSB's and was advised all were done.

Really do not feel like going through and replacing racks, much rather honestly do the bracing first and see if it helps. If it does, great, if it doesn't then it still has benefits for keeping it.

Can it be done with ODBeleven?

Indeed it can.

At least now you know and can move on to other things. I don’t think you will regret changing to a stiffer chassis brace, but they are damn pricey for what they are.


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True, think I'll start with the strut mount brace and go from there.


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[Brother Owl]

Also - u2nelson CR-15 does wonders for "steering feel"

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...altime-Install

(not a paid advert unfortunately lol)

[KLX]

Yep, that’s how I did it.


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Awesome, if you have a howto link please share..

[DriveBikeRun]

Awesome, if you have a howto link please share..

Sorry, I didn’t use any instructions. Just hunt around in the OBD11 menus and you’ll find it.


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[DriveBikeRun]

True, think I'll start with the strut mount brace and go from there.


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Smart move and more cost efficient than the order I went, but the brace did solve my issue. Now I have a CR-15 on its way just for fun.


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[Coderedpl]

Cr15 coming in tomorrow, damn quick. Hoping to install just as fast

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[wrxkyle]

Cr15 coming in tomorrow, damn quick. Hoping to install just as fast

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felt an immediate improvement installing this, i think the car had it and it was removed before sale because bolts were already missing from that area. have a under car brace that i'm waiting to put on until i do dsg fluid.

[Waffles_s4]

felt an immediate improvement installing this, i think the car had it and it was removed before sale because bolts were already missing from that area. have a under car brace that i'm waiting to put on until i do dsg fluid.

eh, bolts missing is stock. As if Audi engineers were planning to do something, and changed their minds b4 production.

[Coderedpl]

Installed a few days ago. Haven't driven the car all that much but from the little bit that I did do I can definitely tell the difference

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[byront8]

This plus the rear sway bar, engine mounts and inserts are a really good stock+ setup in my opinon


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[jbbuie]

I also experienced that same issues with steering. Then while I was installing test pipes in my car, I unplugged the wires running to the steering rack, after plugging them back in and going for a drive the steering issue was gone. I have not had a problem in the last 8 months since doing that. I dont know if it was a fluke but figured Id share my experience.

[Coderedpl]

I also experienced that same issues with steering. Then while I was installing test pipes in my car, I unplugged the wires running to the steering rack, after plugging them back in and going for a drive the steering issue was gone. I have not had a problem in the last 8 months since doing that. I dont know if it was a fluke but figured Id share my experience.

Now that is just weird, did you cycle ignition or something or just simply disconnect and connect?

[jbbuie]

Sorry just seeing this. Nope. Had it unplugged for about 2 days while doing the install and then plugged it back in. When I was done just started the car like normal.


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[usmcfieldmp]

I've also heard that the ECS Rear Lower Control Arm braces takes away a lot of that "floating" feeling on the highway. The CR-15 and this brace are on my to-do list.

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-ecs-part...008050ecs01kt/

[BucDan]

Just found this information on another thread. Man, this will really enhance the driving experience for me. Didn't know what was going on, but now I think I'll be a happy camper soon.

[wrxkyle]

i wish there were a way to just toss in the dynamic rack in a standard s4, the tighter native steering ratio would be worth it even without the steering column side of the equation that really gets the ratio low but is only used around town and is disabled in sport/whatever modes.

[jonesclp]

i wish there were a way to just toss in the dynamic rack in a standard s4, the tighter native steering ratio would be worth it even without the steering column side of the equation that really gets the ratio low but is only used around town and is disabled in sport/whatever modes.

Agreed. Car before this was a B7 S4. Miss the engine tone and steering but now the weight.


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[Corydms7]

I disabled the DSR on my 14’ S4. Steering is way heavier to move and much more direct and responsive. The DSR stock (which is on) made my steering feel like I could turn the wheel like butter and was numb.

[TC_S4]

I have dynamic steering packages and I disabled the DSR. Under 50mile/hour, I don’t notice much difference. However, I do see a noticeable difference on highway, steering is heavier and more precise. I was going to get the 034 X-brace, I guest, it’s not necessary.

[doughboy17]

Odd question, but has anyone disabled DSR, decided to re-enable it, and experienced an inability to realize the same prior (DSR enabled) steering feel OR began experiencing other steering problems (i.e. notchy steering)? I would love to do this because the steering feel of our B7 A4 is so much better than my S4 but fear disabling DSR could lead to other issues not currently being experienced.

[TC_S4]

Odd question, but has anyone disabled DSR, decided to re-enable it, and experienced an inability to realize the same prior (DSR enabled) steering feel OR began experiencing other steering problems (i.e. notchy steering)? I would love to do this because the steering feel of our B7 A4 is so much better than my S4 but fear disabling DSR could lead to other issues not currently being experienced.

I was on the same boat than you, I had the car for 7 and half years, always drived on dynamic steering mode. The steering is not as precise as my previous BMW 335ix, I just accepted the as it is, saying it's not a BMW steering wheel feel. Lately, I hear about the the disabled the DSR. I was worry as well, I never have any issue with my steering and don't want to start haing problems. Took the chance, disabled the DSR and never looked back. I wished I knew that option earlier.

[LoloHaole]

Disabling DSR helps a lot. It does nothing good, IMO.

I also installed an Alu Kreuz(sp?) brace, CR-15 and 034 rear sway bar, plus moog end links front & rear.

Those mode made my steering feel excellent. No highway wandering, no tramlining. Vogtland coilovers complete the package, and I love the way my S4 handles now

[BucDan]

Sorry, I didn’t use any instructions. Just hunt around in the OBD11 menus and you’ll find it.


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Can't seem to find it in ODBEleven. Is this a quick app program? Or more nested in the application?

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[Coderedpl]

Can't seem to find it in ODBEleven. Is this a quick app program? Or more nested in the application?

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Check this thread. I found it in OBD11 with that.
https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...es-VAG-COM-Fix
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I learned that mine was actually already disabled, so couldn't do much there.

[BucDan]

Check this thread. I found it in OBD11 with that.
https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...es-VAG-COM-Fix
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I learned that mine was actually already disabled, so couldn't do much there.

Ah yeah, found it.

It does make a difference. When going at high speed, I don't feel that car tug or float around anymore! The steering stiffened up as well, which I like. Sweet!

[minman26]

I was on the same boat than you, I had the car for 7 and half years, always drived on dynamic steering mode. The steering is not as precise as my previous BMW 335ix, I just accepted the as it is, saying it's not a BMW steering wheel feel. Lately, I hear about the the disabled the DSR. I was worry as well, I never have any issue with my steering and don't want to start haing problems. Took the chance, disabled the DSR and never looked back. I wished I knew that option earlier.

I second this. I never heard of this until this weekend. 108,000 miles. Never really had an issue w steering. Did this and instantly a firmer wheel and feels more connected.

[KLX]

Snuck out of work during a break and disabled the feature, took a quick spin around base the steering is heaver but felt nice, can't wait to take it out later.

*Car feels more planted to the road, and it just might be in my head but it seems to take the bumps better...