no 2020 RS5. possible power boost for 2021 RS5 Performance.

[RXBG]

489 hp. a little bird told me.

[RWD2quattro]

Interesting, usually Audi doesn't do a bump in power on any current model (ala RS7 performance) till a new model rolls out (B10).. Hope you're birdie is right, it needs it

[Zed 2.0]

Minimum for Audi to stay competitive in that class, IMHO. 505 hp from the C63S and likely 500++ from the new M3.

[amw896]

The new m3 will be a monster. The s58 motor cars are putting down some ridiculous numbers already. That said, the bmw design is the worst in the business soooooooo.

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[the4siswickid]

I wonder if Audi will allow the upgrade... I know this engine can safely make substantially more power, so maybe they'll offer upgrades?

[wwhan]

489 hp. a little bird told me.

Well that is Almost the same as the APR plus 91 octane tune (488HP): https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_29t_b9.html

[mavz]

Interesting, usually Audi doesn't do a bump in power on any current model (ala RS7 performance) till a new model rolls out (B10).. Hope you're birdie is right, it needs it

I think I'm misunderstanding you but the previous gen RS7 Performance was the same gen as the regular RS7

The new m3 will be a monster. The s58 motor cars are putting down some ridiculous numbers already. That said, the bmw design is the worst in the business soooooooo.

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Forget the S58, even the B58 is putting down roughly the same power as the 2.9 in the RS5

I wonder if Audi will allow the upgrade... I know this engine can safely make substantially more power, so maybe they'll offer upgrades?

I don't think a manufacturer would ever do this (I know Mclaren did).. easy way to try and upsell you into the new model.

[RWD2quattro]

I think I'm misunderstanding you but the previous gen RS7 Performance was the same gen as the regular RS7

The 2017 Audi RS7 base model 4L/V8 was rated @560hp/516tq. The RS7 Performance has 605hp/516tq. In 2018 the Performance had same 560hp rating but got an overboost function for a peak tq to 553. RS5 needs over 500hp, at least 520 to compete with Alfa/M3/4 and AMG.

[JohnEnglish]

Well, no 2020 RS 5 for North America. It's being sold in Europe right now. Audi said we would get it later this year which would most likely make it a 2021 model.

[IamRacer X]

Lets be honest, our cars (B9RS5) are going to be out matched by the G80 M3/M4 they will be at least 300lbs lighter and certainly more powerful. A performance model with the increased hp number looks great, it’s still not enough to hang with the G80 M cars. The other thing imo the RS5 line is expensive already. Adding a performance model is only going to push that price even higher. With all that said, Audi needs to compete.

[RXBG]

Lets be honest, our cars (B9RS5) are going to be out matched by the G80 M3/M4 they will be at least 300lbs lighter and certainly more powerful. A performance model with the increased hp number looks great, it’s still not enough to hang with the G80 M cars. The other thing imo the RS5 line is expensive already. Adding a performance model is only going to push that price even higher. With all that said, Audi needs to compete.

like in the case of the RS7 performance- the hp was substantially more than the standard RS7. i think the price will only go up marginally. hopefully it'll be a nice round 500 hp figure.

[303 Spartan]

Lets be honest, our cars (B9RS5) are going to be out matched by the G80 M3/M4 they will be at least 300lbs lighter and certainly more powerful. A performance model with the increased hp number looks great, it’s still not enough to hang with the G80 M cars. The other thing imo the RS5 line is expensive already. Adding a performance model is only going to push that price even higher. With all that said, Audi needs to compete.

Coming from an F80 M3, I'll say that it doesn't matter how much power they throw at the G80. The RWD model will still lose to a Prius from any race starting below 3rd gear. Even with wider/sticker PS4S's, I was constantly struggling for traction, all the way into 3rd. I know some people love that "muscle car experience", but I just never enjoyed not being able to actually put the power down.

With that said, the G80 models will supposedly have an AWD option, which could be a game changer. But the AWD system will undoubtedly add a couple hundred pounds to the car, negating some of the weight difference between the M3 and RS5.

This just reminds me that I REALLY wish we had the option for no sunroof on the RS5. That would have eliminated some weight at the highest point on the car and would have made a noticeable difference in handling, in my opinion.

like in the case of the RS7 performance- the hp was substantially more than the standard RS7. i think the price will only go up marginally. hopefully it'll be a nice round 500 hp figure.

It's Audi. This is extremely wishful thinking.

[Zed 2.0]

Coming from an F80 M3, I'll say that it doesn't matter how much power they throw at the G80. The RWD model will still lose to a Prius from any race starting below 3rd gear. Even with wider/sticker PS4S's, I was constantly struggling for traction, all the way into 3rd. I know some people love that "muscle car experience", but I just never enjoyed not being able to actually put the power down.

With that said, the G80 models will supposedly have an AWD option, which could be a game changer. But the AWD system will undoubtedly add a couple hundred pounds to the car, negating some of the weight difference between the M3 and RS5.

This just reminds me that I REALLY wish we had the option for no sunroof on the RS5. That would have eliminated some weight at the highest point on the car and would have made a noticeable difference in handling, in my opinion.





It's Audi. This is extremely wishful thinking.

Rumor is the new M3 will get the trick AWD system derived from the M5, which would be incredible. Too bad the leaked renders suggest it will be the ugliest car BMW has ever made.

[303 Spartan]

Rumor is the new M3 will get the trick AWD system derived from the M5, which would be incredible. Too bad the leaked renders suggest it will be the ugliest car BMW has ever made.

I'm with you there. When rumors first surfaced about the G80 having an AWD option, my hunt for an RS5 as my M3 replacement was initially put on hold. But the way things are looking (literally), the G80 is not going to be my cup of tea. I'm glad I made the switch back to Audi and if these visual refresh rumors really do remain true, I'm going to be even more justified in my purchase, come reveal time.

Even if the G80 is faster, this car is already well beyond the amount of daily usable power I can take advantage of. And if I ever crave more, APR Stage 1 will surely solve that problem.

[amw896]

Coming from an F80 M3, I'll say that it doesn't matter how much power they throw at the G80. The RWD model will still lose to a Prius from any race starting below 3rd gear. Even with wider/sticker PS4S's, I was constantly struggling for traction, all the way into 3rd. I know some people love that "muscle car experience", but I just never enjoyed not being able to actually put the power down.

With that said, the G80 models will supposedly have an AWD option, which could be a game changer. But the AWD system will undoubtedly add a couple hundred pounds to the car, negating some of the weight difference between the M3 and RS5.

This just reminds me that I REALLY wish we had the option for no sunroof on the RS5. That would have eliminated some weight at the highest point on the car and would have made a noticeable difference in handling, in my opinion.





It's Audi. This is extremely wishful thinking.

I think this might be exaggerated a bit.....Theres guys running 700+whp on stage2 turbos that can put the power down. You just need the right rubber. I'm coming from a stage 2 m235i and had the same problems on stock tires. Slapped on some 265's cup2 tires and it was a non issue after.

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[amw896]

Rumor is the new M3 will get the trick AWD system derived from the M5, which would be incredible. Too bad the leaked renders suggest it will be the ugliest car BMW has ever made.

Agreed! The power and performance will be amazing but the design is on par with civic type r. Worst in class!

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[303 Spartan]

I think this might be exaggerated a bit.....Theres guys running 700+whp on stage2 turbos that can put the power down. You just need the right rubber. I'm coming from a stage 2 m235i and had the same problems on stock tires. Slapped on some 265's cup2 tires and it was a non issue after.

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Sure, but in order to put consistent traction down on a 700whp ~3400lb RWD M3, you'd need to have a minimum of 305 ultra high performance tire. And for many of us, even that would only work for about half the year, thanks to changing seasons and ambient temps.

That's the beauty of Audi/AWD. Even with oodles of power and 265 snow tires, these cars can still put all their power down across all seasons. I really missed that.

700whp on an AWD M3 will be pretty damn beastly, though.

[amw896]

Sure, but in order to put consistent traction down on a 700whp ~3400lb RWD M3, you'd need to have a minimum of 305 ultra high performance tire. And for many of us, even that would only work for about half the year, thanks to changing seasons and ambient temps.

That's the beauty of Audi/AWD. Even with oodles of power and 265 snow tires, these cars can still put all their power down across all seasons. I really missed that.

700whp on an AWD M3 will be pretty damn beastly, though.

No argument, 305s are usually what the lads are running at those levels lol. I'm new to audi but I do really like both brands. Each have their strengths but I really hate the bmw designs, inside and outside. They are just awful compared to audi.

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[303 Spartan]

No argument, 305s are usually what the lads are running at those levels lol. I'm new to audi but I do really like both brands. Each have their strengths but I really hate the bmw designs, inside and outside. They are just awful compared to audi.

That was one of the ultimate selling points for me on the RS5. After test driving it, then getting back in my M3, the M3 interior felt 10 years older. Don't get me wrong, sometimes I do miss the "raw" feel of the M3 and those super wide rear fenders. But Audi's tech and creature comforts are just too far ahead, at this point. Supposedly the G80 will close that gap a bit, but that's yet to be seen.

[JohnEnglish]

The RS 7 Performance had an extra 45 HP but toque was the same. However, it could generate an additional 37 ft-lbs from 1700 - 5600 RPM with an overboost function.

[IamRacer X]

I was ready to order a G80 M3 when I saw the ugly renderings of the design. Plus the car was delayed. In the end the RS5 SB was imo the best looking car out there. Once I saw it in Nardo grey.... deal was done..BMWhat?
Imo the Audi looks amazing inside and out. Power wise, I ran 11.79 at the drag strip stock which is plenty for my daily driver needs. Plus I’ve been getting gas mileage way higher than I expected. A lot of my buddies drive high end German cars, we were all together at a party a few months ago. M5C, AMG GT 63S, Panamera Turbo and a M3C..... imo the RS5 is better looking inside and out than all these cars. All in all It’s an amazing car.

[JohnEnglish]

I didn't think it was worth while to create a new thread, but on the topic of the refreshed RS 5, I caught a few cool updates in the Audi press photos.

Here's the (shruken) dashboard photo.




There's now a "RS Mode" button which, from reading the press release, seems to replace the "Individual Mode" on Audi Drive Select. Pressing it gives you access to 2 user configurable presets for suspension, throttle response, transmission shift points and patterns, etc. Just like the M1 and M2 buttons on the new M cars and I think AMGs have something similiar. Also, it looks like it's getting new metal shift paddles.




There seems to be a new button on the top of the cruise control stalk (or maybe it's a European only feature that they've had for a while).




The new UI seems to have some cool (yeah I know it's gimmicky but I love this kind of stuff) new features like showing you the temperatures of various sub sistems.




I also really like the matte carbon fiber trim that's available. Hopefully it'll be available here as an option along with the matte bronze wheels and bronze contrast stitching option.

[Zed 2.0]

Those shift paddles look like a huge improvement. Hopefully fully metal.

[JWreck]

I didn't think it was worth while to create a new thread, but on the topic of the refreshed RS 5, I caught a few cool updates in the Audi press photos.

Here's the (shruken) dashboard photo.




There's now a "RS Mode" button which, from reading the press release, seems to replace the "Individual Mode" on Audi Drive Select. Pressing it gives you access to 2 user configurable presets for suspension, throttle response, transmission shift points and patterns, etc. Just like the M1 and M2 buttons on the new M cars and I think AMGs have something similiar. Also, it looks like it's getting new metal shift paddles.




There seems to be a new button on the top of the cruise control stalk (or maybe it's a European only feature that they've had for a while).




The new UI seems to have some cool (yeah I know it's gimmicky but I love this kind of stuff) new features like showing you the temperatures of various sub sistems.




I also really like the matte carbon fiber trim that's available. Hopefully it'll be available here as an option along with the matte bronze wheels and bronze contrast stitching option.

I’d enjoy the metal paddles and updated gauge cluster tach layout. Otherwise it’s all cool but not regretting my ‘19.

Ok I really was disappointed in the shitty plastic paddles in this car coming from my C63S. Boo. I wonder how easily replaceable they are.


Now if they move the cup holders to somewhere other than directly under the screen area, I’ll go trade up tomorrow.

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[wwhan]

I’d enjoy the metal paddles and updated gauge cluster tach layout. Otherwise it’s all cool but not regretting my ‘19.
..... Now if they move the cup holders to somewhere other than directly under the screen area, I’ll go trade up tomorrow.....

Even with the new touch screen replacing many of the other controls?

[JWreck]

Even with the new touch screen replacing many of the other controls?

Yeah I guess call me old school? I appreciate the wheel over touch screen. I recognize I’d get used to it, etc etc - but I still like the wheel better based on my I nteractions with various touch screens, including Audi’s new setup (like in the Q8).


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[LittleDevil]

They are metal paddles for 2020 and they are plug and play for all B9 series and also A3/S3/RS3 8V...

[JohnEnglish]

They are metal paddles for 2020 and they are plug and play for all B9 series and also A3/S3/RS3 8V...

What's the wiring for? Are they illuminated?

[LittleDevil]

They are not Illuminated, but they are made of Alluminium. All paddles have wirring that they can work :)

[wwhan]

Yeah I guess call me old school? I appreciate the wheel over touch screen. I recognize I’d get used to it, etc etc - but I still like the wheel better based on my I nteractions with various touch screens, including Audi’s new setup (like in the Q8).


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The new touch screen implementation is one of the main reasons, I purchased a 2019 model year, instead of waiting.

I think touch screens in automobiles is a very bad idea, since it is distracting and takes eyes off the road. Also keeping finger prints on the screen clean is a pain.

With knobs and buttons, one can feel for the correct setting.

[JohnEnglish]

Why do they need electronics? Is the shift button located in the paddles? I always assumed it was in the steering wheel and the paddles just pressed the button.

[LittleDevil]

Why do they need electronics? Is the shift button located in the paddles? I always assumed it was in the steering wheel and the paddles just pressed the button.

Shift button is located in the paddles.

[JohnEnglish]

Shift button is located in the paddles.

Ah, that’s why. Thanks.