B9 S4 turbo inlet

[CrazyCanuck17]

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Anyone else notice ECS’s turbo inlet in their catch can kit pics? I’ve asked them about it - they wouldn’t give specifics beyond coming soon. APR, 034, and carbnlab are working on inlets also. Haven’t seen any pictures of the others though. Figured some folks might be excited about the inlet pic...

[BrockDM]

CTS Turbo also teased one on instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9Sn5ZKART2/

[XSWG]

Nice. I noticed that I've slowly been transitioning my parts to CTS. They give quality products for the price.

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[nicotino15]

wonder why they are doing metal inlets vs plastic/silicon. Carbnlab prototype is all silicon.

[Sturn992]

Also noticed that all the post TB pipes are replaced with steel/aluminum with a black crinkle coating

[CrazyCanuck17]

CTS Turbo also teased one on instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9Sn5ZKART2/

Nice, even more competition and plenty of options!

[CrazyCanuck17]

Also noticed that all the post TB pipes are replaced with steel/aluminum with a black crinkle coating

Good eye!!!

[thermobryan]

I emailed ECS, no release date yet. Carbnlabs is close to release!!!

[Johann@Carbnlab]

I really don't want to interfere too much in this thread as we have our threads for promotion and want people to feel free to comment about the various options. But I will reply to questions regarding our product.

The main reason we went with silicone is simple. Our inlet replaces both the plastic elbow and flex rubber intake pipe, it's a one piece pipe so it needed flex in it. Making it all solid with no flex pipe would not work on the long run due to vibration of the engine vs the chassis. I could also say that silicone has better thermal insulation properties but that's was not the main reason, it was a bonus.

Bryan who worked on the design and CFD didn't want any diameter constraint that we would have if keeping the flex pipe. We viewed it as a one smooth single section from filter to turbo.

[CrazyCanuck17]

I really don't want to interfere too much in this thread as we have our threads for promotion and want people to feel free to comment about the various options. But I will reply to questions regarding our product.

You definitely are not interfering. Insight and answers from the makers themselves is certainly appreciated. Thanks!

[Johann@Carbnlab]

You definitely are not interfering. Insight and answers from the makers themselves is certainly appreciated. Thanks!

Thank you for the kind words!

[Dais0948]

I really don't want to interfere too much in this thread as we have our threads for promotion and want people to feel free to comment about the various options. But I will reply to questions regarding our product.

The main reason we went with silicone is simple. Our inlet replaces both the plastic elbow and flex rubber intake pipe, it's a one piece pipe so it needed flex in it. Making it all solid with no flex pipe would not work on the long run due to vibration of the engine vs the chassis. I could also say that silicone has better thermal insulation properties but that's was not the main reason, it was a bonus.

Bryan who worked on the design and CFD didn't want any diameter constraint that we would have if keeping the flex pipe. We viewed it as a one smooth single section from filter to turbo.

Interesting, didn’t even think of that.

[thermobryan]

Also, from a manufacturability standpoint. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design...ufacturability) I believe the cast product is being made from a cost standpoint. Cast products are much cheaper to produce in the long run.

One thing to keep in mind, temp resistant silicone will reject more heat than a cast aluminum product. Aluminum retains heat, silicone does not. Here is a little calculator for you:

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/o...ent-d_434.html

Thermal conductivity for Silicone is around 0.2 W/mK (sorry im a thermo engineer nerd)
For aluminum it's around 237 W/mK

What this means is, the aluminum cast product absorbs roughly 1000x more heat then aluminum... 237/0.2 = 1185

There could also thought from the cast aluminum that you could be minimizing potential for collapsing. That would make sense, but we tested the silicone (which is also a steel belted product on the inside) and it held up just fine.

[OverBoosted]

Another turbo inlet to look into by Mach 5. Saw this on another forum but no additional information such as cost and HP increase was provided.

[RLB6]

Looks like they have a whole inlet/intake pipe solution....

AUDI B9 S4 S5 EA839 3.0T
Turbo Intake Pipe
Turbo Inlet Hose
CNC Throttle Body Inlet
Charge Pipe Kit

[BrockDM]

I was just checking out their FB page, looks like they have a hybrid turbo option for the B9 as well.

[Johann@Carbnlab]

Looks cool! I wonder if they made the inlet to match the stock turbo diameter or for their hybrid solution.

[thermobryan]

That looks VERY similar to the ECS one tbh.....I'll bet it's from the same manufacturer and they just rebranded it...

[RLB6]

That looks VERY similar to the ECS one tbh.....I'll bet it's from the same manufacturer and they just rebranded it...

Don't think so..the ECS seems to one solid piece while the Mach5 unit appears to be a 2 piece with a welded joint.

[Johann@Carbnlab]

I think Bryan is refering to the charge pipe

[RLB6]

ECS charge pipe is a single pipe as well or just the welds are grinded down to appear as such...

[thermobryan]

Probably the same tbh...a lot of the brands just use the same manufacturers...

[XSWG]

Looks like they have a whole inlet/intake pipe solution....

AUDI B9 S4 S5 EA839 3.0T
Turbo Intake Pipe
Turbo Inlet Hose
CNC Throttle Body Inlet
Charge Pipe Kit

That looks really good but their website is terrible. Is this even available yet?

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[CrazyCanuck17]

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Looks like apr is off the turbo inlet list for me. Unless I were to sell the 034 intake and duct, also the Ecs intake scoop I have on hand. I’m most interested in 034’s as it would match. Design appears top notch on apr, but kinda Frankenstein-ish. Bet that apr intake kit will approach $1400 too. Not that looks make power, but I like the 034 intake better. Would think the 034 with a proper inlet should still perform well in regard to pressure drop, relative to apr’s (eyeballing design + filter size). 034 needs to release a photo, and we’ll have seen all the inlets mentioned so far in the thread.

[Dais0948]

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Looks like apr is off the turbo inlet list for me. Unless I were to sell the 034 intake and duct, also the Ecs intake scoop I have on hand. I’m most interested in 034’s as it would match what their intake. Design appears top notch on apr, but kinda Frankenstein-ish. Bet that apr intake kit will approach $1400 too. Not that looks make power, but I like the 034 intake better. Would think the 034 with a proper inlet should still perform well in regard to pressure drop, relative to apr’s (eyeballing design + filter size). 034 needs to release a photo, and we’ll have seen all the inlets mentioned so far in the thread.

Looks sick!

[Arin@APR]

The APR unit will be compatible with bigger turbos.

Ours is carbon fiber. This lets us use super thin walls so we have much wider pipes than casting and silicon, like we do on other platforms. This was necessary as space is very limited. Also, to comment on space constraints, a simple pipe was not doable for maximum volume. Carbon fiber let us create organic shapes to work around the other parts in the way.

More importantly, ours doesn’t neck down for the factory inlet like all the other systems. It’s massive all the way to our massive intake filter. We wanted a 2-3 piece design for modularity, but it wasn’t possible to achieve maximum results. It was all sacrifices for the sake of selling 3 parts. 1 engineered solution is best.

Stay tuned. It’s going to kick major butt.

[CrazyCanuck17]

The APR unit will be compatible with bigger turbos.

Ours is carbon fiber. This lets us use super thin walls so we have much wider pipes than casting and silicon, like we do on other platforms. This was necessary as space is very limited. Also, to comment on space constraints, a simple pipe was not doable for maximum volume. Carbon fiber let us create organic shapes to work around the other parts in the way.

More importantly, ours doesn’t neck down for the factory inlet like all the other systems. It’s massive all the way to our massive intake filter. We wanted a 2-3 piece design for modularity, but it wasn’t possible to achieve maximum results. It was all sacrifices for the sake of selling 3 parts. 1 engineered solution is best.

Stay tuned. It’s going to kick major butt.

From an engineer’s perspective... again just eye balling it... looks like you guys nailed it for sure. Still like the silky lines on the 034, but performance wise, I have no doubts. One inclusive design as you noted will definitely be superior - along with the freedom of organic shape.

So if I buy an APR stage 1 ecu tune, APR IC(showed up this week, excellent quality/design BTW), APR intake (after selling what I already got)... discounted stage 2 ecu upgrade and maybe tcu tune?!?!

[2Times]

So where can I get that Mach 5 inlet? lol

[CrazyCanuck17]

So where can I get that Mach 5 inlet? lol

Haha, not sure, heard the website is crap tho.

[DirtD1ver]

Lets keep this thread clean and on track. I have cleaned it up, if it continues I will close the thread.

[Kondax]

The APR unit will be compatible with bigger turbos.

Ours is carbon fiber. This lets us use super thin walls so we have much wider pipes than casting and silicon, like we do on other platforms. This was necessary as space is very limited. Also, to comment on space constraints, a simple pipe was not doable for maximum volume. Carbon fiber let us create organic shapes to work around the other parts in the way.

More importantly, ours doesn’t neck down for the factory inlet like all the other systems. It’s massive all the way to our massive intake filter. We wanted a 2-3 piece design for modularity, but it wasn’t possible to achieve maximum results. It was all sacrifices for the sake of selling 3 parts. 1 engineered solution is best.

Stay tuned. It’s going to kick major butt.

Out of curiosity, how will the inlet match up to stock and larger turbos? I'm assuming a swappable flange design similar to Carbnlabs, or does the inlet piece change depending on the turbo size?

[Arin@APR]

Out of curiosity, how will the inlet match up to stock and larger turbos? I'm assuming a swappable flange design similar to Carbnlabs, or does the inlet piece change depending on the turbo size?

The piece connecting to the turbo will be a low cost swappable item that's geared towards other common units. We do something similar (differently though) on the RS3/TTRS and offer rings for the stock turbo, TTE625 v1, TTE625 v2, TTE700, TTE777, and GTX3582 - and basically anything that's the same size as those. Very inexpensive to jump up to the new size.

[Kondax]

The piece connecting to the turbo will be a low cost swappable item that geared towards other common units. We do something limiar (differently though) on the RS3/TTRS. Very inexpensive to jump up to the new size.

Gotcha, that makes sense.

[2Times]

Will the inlet piece be sold separately?

[Arin@APR]

Will the inlet piece be sold separately?

No, it's too big and awesome. Won't work with small aftermarket intakes / small stock intake. See above.

[Sturn992]

No, it's too big and awesome. Won't work with small aftermarket intakes / small stock intake. See above.

Carful your starting to sound like someone from the TV. Is it the greatest intake of all the intakes, made but the best people, and you know because you always have the best people.

[Arin@APR]

Carful your starting to sound like someone from the TV. Is it the greatest intake of all the intakes, made but the best people, and you know because you always have the best people.

Wow, thank you so much! :)

[thermobryan]

Wow, thank you so much! :)

You're gonna have some competition coming up soon....Release is close.

[Arin@APR]

I'm ok with competition. We put a lot of work into this system and made many tweaks based on sensor data and real world testing.



FB post: Now that we’ve shown off our upcoming B9 intakes in full Carbon Fiber form, here’s one of the early prototypes. You may notice several clear, yellow, and grey wires and tubes. These are all extra sensors we add to the engine to monitor various performance variables not available over the ECU. We use this information to make better decisions when designing hardware, and when tuning the ECU. CFD software and flow benches only get you so far on their own. #goapr #b9 #rs5 #b9rs5

[thermobryan]

I'm ok with competition. We put a lot of work into this system and made many tweaks based on sensor data and real world testing.



FB post: Now that we’ve shown off our upcoming B9 intakes in full Carbon Fiber form, here’s one of the early prototypes. You may notice several clear, yellow, and grey wires and tubes. These are all extra sensors we add to the engine to monitor various performance variables not available over the ECU. We use this information to make better decisions when designing hardware, and when tuning the ECU. CFD software and flow benches only get you so far on their own. #goapr #b9 #rs5 #b9rs5

The flow pattern for that design looks like it's going to favor the left turbo unless there is some sort of baffle in there.