2017 TTS OIL TYPE

[anking]

Looking thru the manual I was unable to identify what type of oil to use. It say to look at the sticker under the hood, but that sticker has no information in that regard. Nothing on the oil cap or anywhere else I could find.
the info I can Google up on this varies. I was wondering if I can use castrol 0w20 that I've used on my Q5

Engine CYFB.

[S4Corey]

The 0w20 is a 508/509 vw/audi oil

Your car as per manual needs 502/505 spec oil, can use 504/507 however

So long as the oil meets the 502 or 504 spec is what should be using

Typically speaking, those approval weights usually are

5w40 (502)
5w30 (502 and 504)
0w30 (504)


Given the nature of the engine, stick to those weights for optimal protection/performance

If youre looking for a proper recommendation (opinion), can you give some details on how you maintain and use the vehicle as well as environment?

Basically answer these questions

How often do you change your oil?

What does you commute or driving habbits consist of - short trips, long trips, city, highway, gental, hard ( on throttle often/spirtited often) ect ect?

Where do you live and how are temps on average throughout the year?

Typical mileage per year?

[ToastyTT]

Look here for the My2018 (should be same as My2017), and look for your TTS. It says Castrol EDGE® Professional® 5W40.
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...12-20-2017.pdf

This is the list of Audi approved oils that meet their specific spec. TTS is 502. Use this to find an alternative to the oil they mention above. I generally purchase the oil at the dealer as it's the one thing they don't rip you off for.
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...-1.22.2018.pdf

BTW - Q5, unless a SQ5, should not be using 0w20. There isn't, to my knowledge, a 0w-20 that meets Audi's 502 spec. And you really want an oil that meets their spec.

[S4Corey]

Look here for the My2018 (should be same as My2017), and look for your TTS. It says Castrol EDGE Professional 5W40.
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...12-20-2017.pdf

This is the list of Audi approved oils that meet their specific spec. TTS is 502. Use this to find an alternative to the oil they mention above. I generally purchase the oil at the dealer as it's the one thing they don't rip you off for.
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...-1.22.2018.pdf

BTW - Q5, unless a SQ5, should not be using 0w20. There isn't, to my knowledge, a 0w-20 that meets Audi's 502 spec. And you really want an oil that meets their spec.

If its a new Q5 MY 19 (4cyl TSi) then it has switched to 0w20, even the V6T has. Good link though, should be useful for OP if he chimes in

[Huey52]

Good thread insight.
Yep, a small increase in fuel efficiency given the 0w20 thinner oil at of course the compromise of a bit less protection in some regimes. Castrol is the associate du jour but of course that varies with marketing buy-in. I just go with Mobil 1 0w40 European Formula which is and always has been on the approved list.

If its a new Q5 MY 19 (4cyl TSi) then it has switched to 0w20, even the V6T has. Good link though, should be useful for OP if he chimes in

[ToastyTT]

If its a new Q5 MY 19 (4cyl TSi) then it has switched to 0w20, even the V6T has. Good link though, should be useful for OP if he chimes in

Ah yes, I found the My 2019 - looks like a lot of items moved to 508 spec, including the Q5. The TT is now 508 too, but the TTS and TTRS are 504.

https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...19-w-etron.pdf

The best option is to call the dealer and have them check in the latest version of ETKA. I know on the TTRS that the documents above say 5w-30, but in ETKA it's now 0w-30 504 spec. That change is now noted in the My2020 scheduled maint guide here:
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...-Year-2020.pdf

[kevin#34]

perhaps it's a silly question, but does MY 2020 schedule mean that since this january the mentioned oils must be used doesn't matter the YM, or just that models produced in 2020 swapped to a different oil, compared to previous YM?
in other terms, a 2018 TTS should continue to use a 5/40 oil, or from next service it must adopt a 0/30 one?

[S4Corey]

Ah yes, I found the My 2019 - looks like a lot of items moved to 508 spec, including the Q5. The TT is now 508 too, but the TTS and TTRS are 504.

https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...19-w-etron.pdf

The best option is to call the dealer and have them check in the latest version of ETKA. I know on the TTRS that the documents above say 5w-30, but in ETKA it's now 0w-30 504 spec. That change is now noted in the My2020 scheduled maint guide here:
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...-Year-2020.pdf

Yuppers. 2019+ TTS and S3 have also moved to 0w30 504 spec
You can still use 5w30 in the RS, so long as it meets 504. I personally like the cold starts better on the 0w30 as it has better pumpability at low temps, hot climates wont see a difference. OP’s 2017 still calls for 502 but can use 504. 504 was designed around more long Oil change intervals-but id still change more frequently than what audi calls for if you tend to have “fun” in it often. In my eyes 504 spec generally is supposed to be a more top tier requirement mandate and in my eyes is a little better. But whats really important is OCI done more periodically rather than long term in mediocre environments and aggressive operations periodically.

508’s main purpose is solely for economy boosting/epa, but what ive seen, would use the 0w30 504 spec instead - sacrifice the miniscule economy gain for more protection and heat combat (my opinion and experience). 19 Gti owners have been doing it as well for the same reason. Otherwise if youre just driving around not thrashing, the 508 does the job


Also looks like VW/Audi have now jumped ship from castrol all these years and moved to mobil1 fills as of beginning this month

[S4Corey]

perhaps it's a silly question, but does MY 2020 schedule mean that since this january the mentioned oils must be used doesn't matter the YM, or just that models produced in 2020 swapped to a different oil, compared to previous YM?
in other terms, a 2018 TTS should continue to use a 5/40 oil, or from next service it must adopt a 0/30 one?

MY refers to build date. So a 2018 will still continue to use what its called for originally unless ETKA/parts shows a superceeded version. This is usually moreless oil weight not type. Example being the RS 2.5 models. It was 5w30 - now even the 2017 versions have updated to 0w30 -BUT both are still 504 spec oils - and reversable

The maintenance schedules are based on the production year of the car - in your case, still use 2018 schedule just as you have been. And yes your car is 502 grade - can be substituted for 504. Oil weights can be changed to suit your needs - manufactures mostly care about you using the approved oil (502,504,508,506 ect ect)

So long as you do that, youll be fine. The weights can be changed around to suit your environment or needs as long as they arent a drastic change

[kevin#34]

ok thanks, I would prefer to stick with 502 (5/40) instead of going for 504 (0/30) as par 2020 schedule

[Fourplay]

ok thanks, I would prefer to stick with 502 (5/40) instead of going for 504 (0/30) as par 2020 schedule

I would much rather have a 0 weight cold viscosity oil than a 5. If you really think you need 40 weight hot viscosity protection, use a 0/40.

In the end, it doesn't really matter that much though. Change the oil with a good synthetic with weights based on your usage patterns and the car will be fine.

[kevin#34]

in my area the temperature goes from 41 to 100 F, I mostly do freeways at constant 85 mph speed, some spirited driving on B roads plus few track days; no city, no stop&go, that's why I feel more confident with a 5/40 than a 0/30. on the other hand, I cannot see any 0/40 in 502 or 504 spec, if I got all the posted above right (?)

[S4Corey]

in my area the temperature goes from 41 to 100 F, I mostly do freeways at constant 85 mph speed, some spirited driving on B roads plus few track days; no city, no stop&go, that's why I feel more confident with a 5/40 than a 0/30. on the other hand, I cannot see any 0/40 in 502 or 504 spec, if I got all the posted above right (?)

Yes sir, I havent come across a 40 weight in 504 spec

Based on your temps and driving, I would agree to stick with a 5w40, and thats what it was originally designed for. The the 4Cyl Tsi’s generally run pretty hot and if your not in cold environments often, a 0w wont really have benefits for you. The 19+ TTS also shows rod bearings have changed, which leads me to have an educated guess that there tollerences are that tiny bit tighter where the 0w30 spec would be better for them anyhow. If you do want to try a good 0w40 in 502 spec, I believe liquimoly has something to try, but i think the Noack level for evaporation is a little higher than the 5w40.

[kevin#34]

ok, thanks for your opinion, currently using 5/40 Motul 8100 X-cess. My TTS still under warranty, so at next service (within 2 weeks) they will put 0/30 but I will drain it right the day after and replace with 5/40 (+ a new oil filter).

[S4Corey]

ok, thanks for your opinion, currently using 5/40 Motul 8100 X-cess. My TTS still under warranty, so at next service (within 2 weeks) they will put 0/30 but I will drain it right the day after and replace with 5/40 (+ a new oil filter).

No, I think your are confused. The dealer will continue to use 5w40 because of the year of your car. Maintenance schedule follows your specific car. Isf you have a 2018 - thats the oil they uses, if you bought a 2020 - then they would use the 0w30. Motul is a great oil. But save yourself the hassel of letting them fill and you drain the oil after and fill again. X-cess is a 502/505 approved oil. If you want to use that vs the dealer oil, njust buy it and let them use that oil in your oil change. We have many customers that do this. As long as its documented that your are using an approved oil and getting it done in the timely matter/ mileage, you will never have a warranty claim be denied - especially if youre servicing at the dealer. Saves you time, hassel and money with reassurance.

[Huey52]

Again, what I have and do use. Albeit 502 spec but then we tend to overanalyze this subject. Most important to change oil/filter at least at the scheduled intervals and to check/top up the level often as turbo's consume some oil:

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Yes sir, I havent come across a 40 weight in 504 spec

Based on your temps and driving, I would agree to stick with a 5w40, and thats what it was originally designed for. The the 4Cyl Tsi’s generally run pretty hot and if your not in cold environments often, a 0w wont really have benefits for you. The 19+ TTS also shows rod bearings have changed, which leads me to have an educated guess that there tollerences are that tiny bit tighter where the 0w30 spec would be better for them anyhow. If you do want to try a good 0w40 in 502 spec, I believe liquimoly has something to try, but i think the Noack level for evaporation is a little higher than the 5w40.

[kevin#34]

thanks again for your support.
Problem is that here in Italy majority of Audi workshops refuse to use a different oil other than their castrol….

No, I think your are confused. The dealer will continue to use 5w40 because of the year of your car. Maintenance schedule follows your specific car. Isf you have a 2018 - thats the oil they uses, if you bought a 2020 - then they would use the 0w30. Motul is a great oil. But save yourself the hassel of letting them fill and you drain the oil after and fill again. X-cess is a 502/505 approved oil. If you want to use that vs the dealer oil, njust buy it and let them use that oil in your oil change. We have many customers that do this. As long as its documented that your are using an approved oil and getting it done in the timely matter/ mileage, you will never have a warranty claim be denied - especially if youre servicing at the dealer. Saves you time, hassel and money with reassurance.

[ToastyTT]

No, I think your are confused. The dealer will continue to use 5w40 because of the year of your car. Maintenance schedule follows your specific car. Isf you have a 2018 - thats the oil they uses, if you bought a 2020 - then they would use the 0w30. Motul is a great oil. But save yourself the hassel of letting them fill and you drain the oil after and fill again. X-cess is a 502/505 approved oil. If you want to use that vs the dealer oil, njust buy it and let them use that oil in your oil change. We have many customers that do this. As long as its documented that your are using an approved oil and getting it done in the timely matter/ mileage, you will never have a warranty claim be denied - especially if youre servicing at the dealer. Saves you time, hassel and money with reassurance.

Are you sure that's correct? On my 2019 TTRS, it was 5w30 LL03, but ETKA now says 0W30 LL03, which is the same as MY2020.

And the Castrol oil they use is just as good as any other. I wouldn't fret too much about it. My 2008 TT was modified with a K04 upgrade and is at 120K miles and still going strong. Little oil use, and it's only ever used the Castrol from the dealer.

[S4Corey]

Are you sure that's correct? On my 2019 TTRS, it was 5w30 LL03, but ETKA now says 0W30 LL03, which is the same as MY2020.

And the Castrol oil they use is just as good as any other. I wouldn't fret too much about it. My 2008 TT was modified with a K04 upgrade and is at 120K miles and still going strong. Little oil use, and it's only ever used the Castrol from the dealer.

Yup I’m sure and work for VW

VW and Audi have switched to 0w30 on all vehicles that use 504/507 spec

I have a 2019 TTRS myself and use the 0w30, but you can without question use the 5w30 504 as well.
Any 504/507 oil will hold the LL3 label. Our TDIs now call for 0w30 when they have been the 5w30 for over 10years now. His engine is pre 2019 which still uses 5w40 in the TTS and TT versions (same as golf r gti s3 ect)

Like the above poster mention, as long as you use the vw/audi specified oil approval (the 50x numbers) you can use what ever brand or viscousity index that suits your needs wants. Just like mentioned before, the intervals in which they are changed at makes the biggest sifference if anything.


Also VW/Audi have now switched there supplier oil from Castrol to now Mobil1
So dealers are now using Mobil1 for your services