Worth it? Extended Warranty or Bite the Bullet

[MattyMarkey]

Somone just asked this in the other forum, but since this is specific to the 4.0TT, figured why not here as well.

I'm sure this is a loaded question... curious to hear what people would do in this particular scenario, so let the opinions fly. Looking at a MY14 S7 with 11k miles. Clean CarFax (https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...&partner=CDM_U) Car originated in Hawaii. 5k mile service done (doesn't look like 10k service was). No records of oil change(s) completed thus far - not all are reported to CarFax, so...

The question I have - would you buy this vehicle and if so, would you opt for a 3rd party warranty or spend the ~$2k on the oil screen replacement?

Thanks in advance!

[Riker]

Somone just asked this in the other forum, but since this is specific to the 4.0TT, figured why not here as well.

I'm sure this is a loaded question... curious to hear what people would do in this particular scenario, so let the opinions fly. Looking at a MY14 S7 with 11k miles. Clean CarFax (https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...&partner=CDM_U) Car originated in Hawaii. 5k mile service done (doesn't look like 10k service was). No records of oil change(s) completed thus far - not all are reported to CarFax, so...

The question I have - would you buy this vehicle and if so, would you opt for a 3rd party warranty or spend the ~$2k on the oil screen replacement?

Thanks in advance!

I think an aftermarket warranty would be in order, you really don't want to chance it in my opinion. However, given the car's low miles I believe you could get this checked out at an Audi dealership I don't believe the oil screen is the only major issue with some of the turbo failure situations. I also believe 2014 was a bit of a problematic year, but there are plenty of resources in terms of guides and repairs. However, I do not know if the issues are isolated to the oil screen specifically.

[MattyMarkey]

Thanks Riker! I have heard/seen of the PCV failure (covered under the extended OEM warranty), some control arm issues as well and maybe water pump. I am leaning towards the extended warranty as well, but wanted to hear others thoughts/opinions - maybe its more I need convincing it's the way to go haha.

I was literally just quoted from Patriot Memory; 5yr/75k miles for $3414 premium coverage (everything the factory warranty did). Seems like a great deal to me.

[Riker]

Thanks Riker! I have heard/seen of the PCV failure (covered under the extended OEM warranty), some control arm issues as well and maybe water pump. I am leaning towards the extended warranty as well, but wanted to hear others thoughts/opinions - maybe its more I need convincing it's the way to go haha.

I was literally just quoted from Patriot Memory; 5yr/75k miles for $3414 premium coverage (everything the factory warranty did). Seems like a great deal to me.

That's certainly a solid price. I've personally never heard of them, but definitely make sure they have adequate experience servicing Audi's so you aren't going to random shops with some 18-22 year old hacking up your car with minimal experience. What's their website?

[MattyMarkey]

That's certainly a solid price. I've personally never heard of them, but definitely make sure they have adequate experience servicing Audi's so you aren't going to random shops with some 18-22 year old hacking up your car with minimal experience. What's their website?

Completely agree. I would be able to take the car to any shop of my choosing - Indy or Dealership. Patriotwarranty.com

One thing I didn’t really like was the price I was quoted was for today only, or put a refundable $200 deposit Down today to lock it in.


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[mrcoolgli]

I looked at a couple when I looked at a 2016 S6 in December. All of them had verbiage that gave them an out if something failed in the oil system. IE: Oil screen issues would mean no coverage. I would just make very sure in writing they cover those aspects. You being in Hawaii means parts and labor are going to be a premium. (Assuming you are still in Hawaii)

[MattyMarkey]

I looked at a couple when I looked at a 2016 S6 in December. All of them had verbiage that gave them an out if something failed in the oil system. IE: Oil screen issues would mean no coverage. I would just make very sure in writing they cover those aspects. You being in Hawaii means parts and labor are going to be a premium. (Assuming you are still in Hawaii)

Great point being made! I did ask the warranty company for more details to determine exactly that - we will see what they come back with. Using the initial price I got from Company A, I have been able to negotiate Company B down (also had very good reviews) in price - same list items covered. All depends what their CYA Fine Print states!

I am actually in NH, but the car originated in Hawaii, beginning its life journey there and brought to CA to be sold for auction - dealership in CT scooped it up.

[KingMota]

I just sent this email to Troy Dietrich who sold me an extended dedicated warranty on my 2017 S7. I will post what I find out.

Troy,

I purchased the Audi Pure Protection (FWS Platinum) from you three years ago (12/23/16). I assume you visit Audizine forum occasionally as your name is mentioned frequently. Anyway, there is a turbo failure occurring on the 4.0 TT Audi engine due to blockage of oil screen. The oil screen is not a part that gets changed during maintenance and is intended to last life of car. The turbo failure can be a $17,000+ repair. My dealer does not seem concerned about it, but i have seen it on the forum frequently enough to cause me concern. I want to verify my protection plan would cover this Turbo failure. What causes me concern is the Exclusions section on page 5 and specifically paragraph 8 "8. ANY MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN CAUSED BY CONTAMINATION, OVERHEATING, LACK OF COOLANT OR LUBRICANTS, LACK OF OIL VISCOSITY, SLUDGE, RESTRICTED OIL FLOW, SALT, RUST AND RUST DAMAGE, ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE OR CHEMICALS."

I do all the scheduled maintenance on my car at the dealer per their published schedule.

I have 35,000 miles on my car and it has been trouble free so far, but i am 5.000 miles or 9 months from the Audi initial warranty expiring. I want to know my coverage on this potential Turbo issue on the plan you sold me while I still have options.

Dan

[MattyMarkey]

I just sent this email to Troy Dietrich who sold me an extended dedicated warranty on my 2017 S7. I will post what I find out.

Troy,

I purchased the Audi Pure Protection (FWS Platinum) from you three years ago (12/23/16). I assume you visit Audizine forum occasionally as your name is mentioned frequently. Anyway, there is a turbo failure occurring on the 4.0 TT Audi engine due to blockage of oil screen. The oil screen is not a part that gets changed during maintenance and is intended to last life of car. The turbo failure can be a $17,000+ repair. My dealer does not seem concerned about it, but i have seen it on the forum frequently enough to cause me concern. I want to verify my protection plan would cover this Turbo failure. What causes me concern is the Exclusions section on page 5 and specifically paragraph 8 "8. ANY MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN CAUSED BY CONTAMINATION, OVERHEATING, LACK OF COOLANT OR LUBRICANTS, LACK OF OIL VISCOSITY, SLUDGE, RESTRICTED OIL FLOW, SALT, RUST AND RUST DAMAGE, ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE OR CHEMICALS."

I do all the scheduled maintenance on my car at the dealer per their published schedule.

I have 35,000 miles on my car and it has been trouble free so far, but i am 5.000 miles or 9 months from the Audi initial warranty expiring. I want to know my coverage on this potential Turbo issue on the plan you sold me while I still have options.

Dan

Valid concern and great question to ask! Very interested to hear his response - keep us posted

[Riker]

I just sent this email to Troy Dietrich who sold me an extended dedicated warranty on my 2017 S7. I will post what I find out.

Troy,

I purchased the Audi Pure Protection (FWS Platinum) from you three years ago (12/23/16). I assume you visit Audizine forum occasionally as your name is mentioned frequently. Anyway, there is a turbo failure occurring on the 4.0 TT Audi engine due to blockage of oil screen. The oil screen is not a part that gets changed during maintenance and is intended to last life of car. The turbo failure can be a $17,000+ repair. My dealer does not seem concerned about it, but i have seen it on the forum frequently enough to cause me concern. I want to verify my protection plan would cover this Turbo failure. What causes me concern is the Exclusions section on page 5 and specifically paragraph 8 "8. ANY MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN CAUSED BY CONTAMINATION, OVERHEATING, LACK OF COOLANT OR LUBRICANTS, LACK OF OIL VISCOSITY, SLUDGE, RESTRICTED OIL FLOW, SALT, RUST AND RUST DAMAGE, ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE OR CHEMICALS."

I do all the scheduled maintenance on my car at the dealer per their published schedule.

I have 35,000 miles on my car and it has been trouble free so far, but i am 5.000 miles or 9 months from the Audi initial warranty expiring. I want to know my coverage on this potential Turbo issue on the plan you sold me while I still have options.

Dan

That is a huge point, curious to hear back.

[Bdlpnw2016]

Have you heard back dan?


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[MattyMarkey]

Dan - inquiring minds must know :)

[4.2Crew]

Any update???.... Thx.

[peytonel]

Decided to go with coverage from Patriot Warranty on my '13 S7 (additional 5 years or 100,000 miles) which will take me to 217k. (sweet deal @ $2100 for their premier elite coverage which covers a lot including engine, turbos, trans, diff, electrical, GPS, A/C etc..).

[digdah]

That is a very very very good deal!

[MattyMarkey]

Decided to go with coverage from Patriot Warranty on my '13 S7 (additional 5 years or 100,000 miles) which will take me to 217k. (sweet deal @ $2100 for their premier elite coverage which covers a lot including engine, turbos, trans, diff, electrical, GPS, A/C etc..).

Very nice - well done! Hopefully neither of us need to submit a claim, but if we do, I will be very curious how it all works out!

I personally went with Ideal Auto Protect - 5yr/75k so would give me until 2025 or 87k miles for $2500. I chose them because there sample contract (then official contract) had great coverage and did not have any verbiage to CYA about some known issues with the 4.0tt.

[wangao0316]

Decided to go with coverage from Patriot Warranty on my '13 S7 (additional 5 years or 100,000 miles) which will take me to 217k. (sweet deal @ $2100 for their premier elite coverage which covers a lot including engine, turbos, trans, diff, electrical, GPS, A/C etc..).

You got a really good deal. I got my warranty through Patriot too for my 14 S7. 5y/75k 0 deductible for $2625.

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[Bdlpnw2016]

Very nice - well done! Hopefully neither of us need to submit a claim, but if we do, I will be very curious how it all works out!

I personally went with Ideal Auto Protect - 5yr/75k so would give me until 2025 or 87k miles for $2500. I chose them because there sample contract (then official contract) had great coverage and did not have any verbiage to CYA about some known issues with the 4.0tt.

Is this done all online or you have to call in? Did you haggle or this was the price they first quoted. Pretty cheap...almost no brainer to buy assuming they come through when you need them.


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[Spiffyfast]

Sounds like a fantastic deal, nice!

[MattyMarkey]

Is this done all online or you have to call in? Did you haggle or this was the price they first quoted. Pretty cheap...almost no brainer to buy assuming they come through when you need them.


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I sent emails to a few companies online first, so they had all my info: Endurance, Ideal Auto, Patriot. The companies called me back and then we started to talk price. I got a quote first using Patriot (~$3400), but since I was planning to purchase the coverage before actually buying the car, they offered me a discount ($2800). The one thing about Patriot - it's not a bad thing - they were a bit pushy and wanted me to put a $200 refundable deposit down immediately to lock in that price. Once Ideal Auto called me, they asked if I already had been looking around and talked to other companies. So this is where I was able to negotiate. Finalized the deal with Ideal Auto and paid $2500. I am sure I could've called back Patriot and negotiated, but I was happy with Ideal and the research I had done one them.

Things to note:

1) Ideal Auto and Patriot have very similar VSC plans - coverage is basically identical
2) Ideal Auto provides a sample contract right online - this sample is almost word-for-word the same when you purchase the VSC
3) Ideal Auto is a new-ish kid on the block, compared to Patriot and others, so we shall see what their claims process is like, IF I have to use it
4) Endurance will not provide any coverage at all for the 4.0tt - they have been around a long time (comparatively) and have dealt with multiple claims on the 4.0tt

[Bdlpnw2016]

I sent emails to a few companies online first, so they had all my info: Endurance, Ideal Auto, Patriot. The companies called me back and then we started to talk price. I got a quote first using Patriot (~$3400), but since I was planning to purchase the coverage before actually buying the car, they offered me a discount ($2800). The one thing about Patriot - it's not a bad thing - they were a bit pushy and wanted me to put a $200 refundable deposit down immediately to lock in that price. Once Ideal Auto called me, they asked if I already had been looking around and talked to other companies. So this is where I was able to negotiate. Finalized the deal with Ideal Auto and paid $2500. I am sure I could've called back Patriot and negotiated, but I was happy with Ideal and the research I had done one them.

Things to note:

1) Ideal Auto and Patriot have very similar VSC plans - coverage is basically identical
2) Ideal Auto provides a sample contract right online - this sample is almost word-for-word the same when you purchase the VSC
3) Ideal Auto is a new-ish kid on the block, compared to Patriot and others, so we shall see what their claims process is like, IF I have to use it
4) Endurance will not provide any coverage at all for the 4.0tt - they have been around a long time (comparatively) and have dealt with multiple claims on the 4.0tt

Thanks for the info. I got only about 9k miles left on factory warranty so will make the call soon.


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[Riker]

I sent emails to a few companies online first, so they had all my info: Endurance, Ideal Auto, Patriot. The companies called me back and then we started to talk price. I got a quote first using Patriot (~$3400), but since I was planning to purchase the coverage before actually buying the car, they offered me a discount ($2800). The one thing about Patriot - it's not a bad thing - they were a bit pushy and wanted me to put a $200 refundable deposit down immediately to lock in that price. Once Ideal Auto called me, they asked if I already had been looking around and talked to other companies. So this is where I was able to negotiate. Finalized the deal with Ideal Auto and paid $2500. I am sure I could've called back Patriot and negotiated, but I was happy with Ideal and the research I had done one them.

Things to note:

1) Ideal Auto and Patriot have very similar VSC plans - coverage is basically identical
2) Ideal Auto provides a sample contract right online - this sample is almost word-for-word the same when you purchase the VSC
3) Ideal Auto is a new-ish kid on the block, compared to Patriot and others, so we shall see what their claims process is like, IF I have to use it
4) Endurance will not provide any coverage at all for the 4.0tt - they have been around a long time (comparatively) and have dealt with multiple claims on the 4.0tt

That's great to hear, did you ask regarding oil starvation issues? I currently have Patriot hounding me for purchase, but I'm not too impressed with their website and overall feel. I also can't find anything bad about them because search results are muddied by "Patriot Memory" (RAM company and other sorts).

Also, is this Ideal Auto or iDeal Auto?

[MattyMarkey]

That's great to hear, did you ask regarding oil starvation issues? I currently have Patriot hounding me for purchase, but I'm not too impressed with their website and overall feel. I also can't find anything bad about them because search results are muddied by "Patriot Memory" (RAM company and other sorts).

Also, is this Ideal Auto or iDeal Auto?

I specifically asked about "Oil Starvation" or any verbiage similar. I spoke to a claims manager at iDeal Auto (yes, the latter you mentioned is the correct spelling) and read their VSC thoroughly. You can read a sample here: https://www.idealautoprotect.com/service-contract/ - this sample is almost word for word identical to the actual VSC I purchased/signed. You will see there is no mention of lack of lubrication or oil starvation in either the exclusion section, or covered section. It actually states "Turbo/SC Covered Parts: Internal Parts; Housing is covered if caused by a failure of an internally lubricated part".

iDeal Auto is correct, I was just writing shorthanded lol

[Riker]

I specifically asked about "Oil Starvation" or any verbiage similar. I spoke to a claims manager at iDeal Auto (yes, the latter you mentioned is the correct spelling) and read their VSC thoroughly. You can read a sample here: https://www.idealautoprotect.com/service-contract/ - this sample is almost word for word identical to the actual VSC I purchased/signed. You will see there is no mention of lack of lubrication or oil starvation in either the exclusion section, or covered section. It actually states "Turbo/SC Covered Parts: Internal Parts; Housing is covered if caused by a failure of an internally lubricated part".

iDeal Auto is correct, I was just writing shorthanded lol

Thanks for the clarification and wow that's great to hear regarding the lubrication tidbit, this might be the company I go after. Although, I'd love to hear information about claims because I know those are a nightmare sometimes.

[Bdlpnw2016]

Thanks for the clarification and wow that's great to hear regarding the lubrication tidbit, this might be the company I go after. Although, I'd love to hear information about claims because I know those are a nightmare sometimes.

Just read the bbb...maybe it’s only a few cases but seems like all these extended warranty companies have siMolar complaints. Makes me not want to buy it but feel like I need something.

https://www.bbb.org/us/nj/jersey-cit...-0221-90195697



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[MattyMarkey]

Just read the bbb...maybe it’s only a few cases but seems like all these extended warranty companies have siMolar complaints. Makes me not want to buy it but feel like I need something.

https://www.bbb.org/us/nj/jersey-cit...-0221-90195697



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Every company has dirty laundry. Have you looked at the BBB for Fidelity Warranties (Audi OEM extended warranty)?

https://www.bbb.org/us/fl/deerfield-...-0633-25000717

I personally take complaints with a grain of salt, especially reviews online. Reading the complaints on BBB are more entertainment than anything, especially not knowing everything going on.


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[Bdlpnw2016]

Every company has dirty laundry. Have you looked at the BBB for Fidelity Warranties (Audi OEM extended warranty)?

https://www.bbb.org/us/fl/deerfield-...-0633-25000717

I personally take complaints with a grain of salt, especially reviews online. Reading the complaints on BBB are more entertainment than anything, especially not knowing everything going on.


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Agree but I’d love to hear some actual extended warranty claims from people on the forum.


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[MattyMarkey]

Agree but I’d love to hear some actual extended warranty claims from people on the forum.


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I am with you there - would love to know! I was stating this based on your original comment "Makes me not want to buy it but feel like I need something." Read any complaints on BBB (even from more reputable companies) - really online in general - and it would make you feel like you shouldn't buy the product. Companies are in business to make money, so they will due their diligence to ensure any claim they payout is in their best interest. I work for an insurance company, I know how it goes. Not to mention first hand experience with a very recent Total Loss claim.

[jetflyr]

Damn, now I better look into a plan. Just picked up a ‘14 S6. For the peace of mind it may be worth it. I’m APR stage 1 also so I wonder if that could weigh against a clam.

[Bdlpnw2016]

Damn, now I better look into a plan. Just picked up a ‘14 S6. For the peace of mind it may be worth it. I’m APR stage 1 also so I wonder if that could weigh against a clam.

I’d think you’d be hard pressed to get any engine related claim if you tuned.


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[Riker]

I’d think you’d be hard pressed to get any engine related claim if you tuned.


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Absolutely this, you should reach out and ask the company if they will cover tuned vehicles and chances are they probably won't.

[Bdlpnw2016]

Absolutely this, you should reach out and ask the company if they will cover tuned vehicles and chances are they probably won't.

Knowing these companies they will sell you the policy and just reject the claim when the time comes...tell you that you should have read the fine print


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[MattyMarkey]

Knowing these companies they will sell you the policy and just reject the claim when the time comes...tell you that you should have read the fine print


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Of course they are going to sell you the policy. How would they know you have modified the car over the phone (besides asking them or telling them like Riker stated). It's up to the customer to verify they meet the restrictions of the contract. If they reject your claim, that's on the customer at that point.

The contract actually states it pretty clearly in the exclusions section: Parts not approved by the manufacturer such as but not limited to non-factory or aftermarket performance parts of any sort.

Each company is different and it all depends on the failure. Some companies will send out a ASE Mechanic to verify what your shop has found, others will not bother. Even if they do send someone out, they typically do not check if there is a tune, especially if it's not at an Audi dealer (since other dealers do not have that ability).

Goes back to the old saying; pay to play

[eunsangie]

My Fidelity is going to expires in june, so I reached out to iDeal and got coverage starting july (5yr/75000mi) for $2700.
considering my car already has about 65k miles, i think it was a great deal.

Fidelity insurance was good, I had engine mounts and the pcv replaced last month and they covered everything without a hiccup.

but extension of my coverage for another 4 years with fidelity was quoted $13000!!!!

MattyMarkey, I hope you get a referral bonus. I used your price point to negotiate lol.

[Riker]

My Fidelity is going to expires in june, so I reached out to iDeal and got coverage starting july (5yr/75000mi) for $2700.
considering my car already has about 65k miles, i think it was a great deal.

Fidelity insurance was good, I had engine mounts and the pcv replaced last month and they covered everything without a hiccup.

but extension of my coverage for another 4 years with fidelity was quoted $13000!!!!

MattyMarkey, I hope you get a referral bonus. I used your price point to negotiate lol.

Sweet jesus, 13,000?! I won't pay a dime over 3k for this warranty (hopefully).

[MattyMarkey]

My Fidelity is going to expires in june, so I reached out to iDeal and got coverage starting july (5yr/75000mi) for $2700.
considering my car already has about 65k miles, i think it was a great deal.

Fidelity insurance was good, I had engine mounts and the pcv replaced last month and they covered everything without a hiccup.

but extension of my coverage for another 4 years with fidelity was quoted $13000!!!!

MattyMarkey, I hope you get a referral bonus. I used your price point to negotiate lol.

Well shoot, maybe I should call them back to renegotiate my price haha. Glad the info helped you out - well done!

$13k... Yowzer! Sounds like Fidelity is getting you because of the submitted claims.

[digdah]

The wording in the agreements for all the companies I talked to was pretty discouraging, for me at least. They said they would probably deny a claim if they discover the car is modified and they consider an aftermarket exhaust a mod.

[egbert17paul]

I am not so sure about Ideal since under Exclusions (B)(15) mentions "services primarily covered by manufacturer warranty" which are TSB I assume because when I asked Concord auto (another vsc company) about their contract covering TSBs or not, and they used the same terms as the Ideal contract verbiage of "services typically covered by the manufacturer wouldn't be covered since they're pre-diagnosed by the manufacturer." So I don't know if they'll cover if turbos fail if at the time they decide to research and find that there's a TSB for your failed turbo service (TSB 2044640). They gave offered 3,300 @ $0 deduc and rim/tire protection but I will still go for Audi pure protection.

I asked my audi rep about Exclusions "ANY MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN CAUSED BY CONTAMINATION, OVERHEATING, LACK OF COOLANT OR LUBRICANTS, LACK OF OIL VISCOSITY, SLUDGE, RESTRICTED OIL FLOW, SALT, RUST AND RUST DAMAGE, ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE OR CHEMICALS" and its relevance to the turbo failure TSB, and the response is exactly this:
"TSB would not be consider that the vehicle had a lack of oil viscosity.
Oil viscosity would be in reference to the oil used and it’s weight, such as in your vehicle requiring 5W-40 full synthetic. That being said, in the event of a turbocharger failure or other oil lubricated part failure, proper documentation of maintenance using the correct oil viscosity would be necessary in the event of a warranty claim."

So since I know it'll be covered as long as I follow recommended maintenance w. proof, I'll go with Audi vsc.

[MattyMarkey]

I am not so sure about Ideal since under Exclusions (B)(15) mentions "services primarily covered by manufacturer warranty" which are TSB I assume because when I asked Concord auto (another vsc company) about their contract covering TSBs or not, and they used the same terms as the Ideal contract verbiage of "services typically covered by the manufacturer wouldn't be covered since they're pre-diagnosed by the manufacturer." So I don't know if they'll cover if turbos fail if at the time they decide to research and find that there's a TSB for your failed turbo service (TSB 2044640). They gave offered 3,300 @ $0 deduc and rim/tire protection but I will still go for Audi pure protection.

I asked my audi rep about Exclusions "ANY MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN CAUSED BY CONTAMINATION, OVERHEATING, LACK OF COOLANT OR LUBRICANTS, LACK OF OIL VISCOSITY, SLUDGE, RESTRICTED OIL FLOW, SALT, RUST AND RUST DAMAGE, ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE OR CHEMICALS" and its relevance to the turbo failure TSB, and the response is exactly this:
"TSB would not be consider that the vehicle had a lack of oil viscosity.
Oil viscosity would be in reference to the oil used and it’s weight, such as in your vehicle requiring 5W-40 full synthetic. That being said, in the event of a turbocharger failure or other oil lubricated part failure, proper documentation of maintenance using the correct oil viscosity would be necessary in the event of a warranty claim."

So since I know it'll be covered as long as I follow recommended maintenance w. proof, I'll go with Audi vsc.

TSB is not part of the manufacturers warranty... if it was, it wouldn't be a TSB, it would be a recall. There may be other verbiage in the contract that would call something like a TSB out, but I have not seen it yet. Just like when they mention "preexisting conditions" - TSB is not a preexisting condition, since it doesn't happen in all vehicles. When I asked specifically about the known turbo failures in the 4.0tt engine, iDeal mentioned it would be covered, with very similar caveats regarding maintenance.

Their word is basically as good as the word you got from the Audi rep. The only way to know is IF (hopefully never) something happens and you have to submit a claim.

The Audi extended protection is great, don't blame you for sticking with it

[egbert17paul]

Yeah but their verbiage just made me question them more, but I did confirm with Ideal and turbos most definitely covered. And they understand that TSBs aren't recalls unlike some other vsc companies. Now I am on the fence; Ideal Elite+ $0 deduc @ $3000 5yr/75kmiles or Audi Pure protection $250 deduc $5500 5yr/60kmiles ....Audi does cover a hell of a lot more things such as thermostat, water pump, shocks, struts, manifold etc. hm... what are your thoughts?