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    Veteran Member Three Rings BecksA3's Avatar
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    Doing some research on tunes for my '16 A3 and see several great options. Most of which have their fans in here.

    I think I have it narrowed down to the Uni 1+ and IE 1 or 2, but that brings up my question of "bang for the buck". Going strictly by advertised hp and tq figures, the Uni 1+ shows 310hp/347tq with no required hard part upgrades. IE 2 shows 327hp/399tq with another 2k+ in required or highly recommended upgrades.

    I would likely do the TCU upgrade regardless, and 93 octane is all I have where I live.

    I get that more is always better, but that doesn't seem like a huge bump for the investment? Especially if you could start with the Uni 1+ and spend maybe 1k on upgrades and come close to, or match the IE 2. Or, am I way off base?

    From what I see, I would be happy with either one as reviews for both are very good, and I really like the ability to DIY in my garage as most dealer garages are several hours away.


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    You are likely to notice differences between TCU tunes more so than ECU tunes. Do your homework when choosing a TCU tune.

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    Best bang for your buck is eurodyne, you get all of the ecu tunes for 1 price and the ecu tunes are pretty good, make good power, then a little more money you get maestro and go pro tune, eurodyne TCU is the cheapest at about $375, and that includes all there TCU tunes, the are not the best but not bad, I had eurodyne TCU stage 3, its wasnt bad but I ended up changing to apr stage 3, I am maestro ecu self tuned on my S3 and with eurodyne ecu tunes they have adjustable files where you can add or remove boost and/or timing

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    I have IE Stage 2 ECU and TCU. I also have their downpipe. Their customer service is amazing which was the big push for me to lean more toward them. I would highly recommend IE products as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BecksA3 View Post
    Doing some research on tunes for my '16 A3 and see several great options. Most of which have their fans in here.

    I think I have it narrowed down to the Uni 1+ and IE 1 or 2, but that brings up my question of "bang for the buck". Going strictly by advertised hp and tq figures, the Uni 1+ shows 310hp/347tq with no required hard part upgrades. IE 2 shows 327hp/399tq with another 2k+ in required or highly recommended upgrades.

    I would likely do the TCU upgrade regardless, and 93 octane is all I have where I live.

    I get that more is always better, but that doesn't seem like a huge bump for the investment? Especially if you could start with the Uni 1+ and spend maybe 1k on upgrades and come close to, or match the IE 2. Or, am I way off base?

    From what I see, I would be happy with either one as reviews for both are very good, and I really like the ability to DIY in my garage as most dealer garages are several hours away.


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    They should all really advertise an IC is recommended for all tunes realistically. Uni is conservative and the weakest of all the OTS tunes. Their DSG also doesn’t increase clamping pressure and imo is a waste of money. As mentioned above, Eurodyne is the best bang for the buck as we can’t run cobb like the gti/r. If you want a set it and forget it solution I’d recommend IE over Uni. I was just in the same boat as you and chose IE. Wasn’t really interested in a tune that’s barely faster than a jb4 and a useless tcu tune.

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    +1 for Eurodyne Maestro. I am using APR tcu tune with ED stg2 soon to go stg3 w/ tpc20 turbo and Maestro is the only option available to truly get the best out of this upgrade.
    '17 A3 Quattro: APR Stg 2+ ECU, APR TCU * NGK Racing Plugs * Bilstein B12 (Modified), APR sway bars, Whiteline control arms * APR Intake, Turbo inlet, turbo muffler delete, catch can, & Downpipe * Milltek catback * CTS Turbo DV * Mishimoto FMIC and pipes * DSG ICECAP w/ Mishimoto 19row cooler * STOPTECH ST40 332mm BBK * Advan Racing TC-4 18x8.5 wrapped w/ 245-40-r18 Bridgestone RE71R

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    You cannot compare tunes and their hp gains unless taking the same car and same dyno. Most common misconception and why some people lean towards one tuner or another.

    95% of customers will not track their car so what you want to look for is a good power lift with reliability and more important drive-ability as most have cars as daily drivers. This is where the TCU tune pairing comes into play.

    We offer both Uni and IE. And we currently only tune our cars Unitronic. 8v S3, MK6 GTI, MK7 GTI, RS7, B8 S4's and more. These cars get abused on track (mk7 gti for example) as well as daily driven far distances. Can honestly say nothing but good feedback and customer support

    If you have not yet check out the video series on the MQB build we did. Kinda runs through everything

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXN_...1L2OWtcQigzvoQ

    Minus TCU as this car in the video is manual. But I personally have had S3 stage 2/2 with Uni and now drive Stage2+ Ko4 MK6 with Uni

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    Thanks all for the input. Looks like I have more research to do.


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    Have Eurodyne maestro for my S3. ECU side isn't bad, not really a fan of the TCU tune. Lots of threads about the TCU tune and why people don't like it, but at the end of the day TCU tune is very much personal preference. Compared to Cobb, Ecutek is kinda lacking all around, but of course no Cobb for Audi.

    Ecutek just released support for MQB to include Audi. It's so new it's hard to say where it will go exactly, but my best guess it will be just as good as Cobb before long and will be the way to go and only other real option for a custom tune. I just got it for my car, but it isn't tuned on it yet, but from a hardware perspective its pretty impressive already. I bought mine from Equilibrium tuning.

    I don't really expect Ecutek to catch on until at least a few tuners start offering their own "base tunes" though, that's what people really want. Or at least a base tune with a couple revisions is probably perfect for most guys.
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    Going to be the wildcard here and say I have the 034 motorsports ecu and tcu tune and love it.

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    Do not get a Eurodyne dsg tune. It’s trash and support is even worse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BecksA3 View Post
    Doing some research on tunes for my '16 A3 and see several great options. Most of which have their fans in here.

    I think I have it narrowed down to the Uni 1+ and IE 1 or 2, but that brings up my question of "bang for the buck". Going strictly by advertised hp and tq figures, the Uni 1+ shows 310hp/347tq with no required hard part upgrades. IE 2 shows 327hp/399tq with another 2k+ in required or highly recommended upgrades.

    I would likely do the TCU upgrade regardless, and 93 octane is all I have where I live.

    I get that more is always better, but that doesn't seem like a huge bump for the investment? Especially if you could start with the Uni 1+ and spend maybe 1k on upgrades and come close to, or match the IE 2. Or, am I way off base?

    From what I see, I would be happy with either one as reviews for both are very good, and I really like the ability to DIY in my garage as most dealer garages are several hours away.


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    I've gone through a few tuners over the years. On my 2017 A3, I had apr stage 1, then apr stage 2 and tcu tune. It was awesome. I loved it. When I bought my s3 though, I was looking for something different. I wanted to be able to do it from home, spend less money, get the most power possible, and also get something that was high quality. I did a ridiculous amount of research and decided on IE. If you search back through my threads, you'll find several specifically detailing every aspect of the different stages, the flashing process, and the tcu tune. I've been running stage 2 since this summer. Ran stage 1 low torque for maybe a week, got the tcu tune so went to stage 1 high torque, then once I bought my IE downpipe, flashed to stage 2 high torque with crackle. I absolutely love it. Everything is so smooth, and the car rips! I have a dragy and have clocked 0-60 in 3.3 with launch control. 0-60 in 3.7 without launch. And that's on my winter tires. Should see some better numbers once I get my summer tires back on. Too much power for a hard launch, and I have what are supposed to be the best performing winter tires, Michelin pilot alpins. Have raced some seriously expensive and more powerful cars, but have not lost once. Long story short, uni doesn't hold a candle to IE when it comes to performance or bang for your buck. I think they're a little more longevity oriented/conservative than other tuners. APR is the only one that I can do a good comparison of, and I like IE better. The ability to tune/untune from home in minutes, change fuel maps, set rpm for launch, diagnose, etc. is awesome. I hated having to go take the time and pay a dealer to hook up a computer and flash a file to my car. If you have any more questions feel free to pm me, but I would look up my earlier threads and read those. Haven't met anyone who disagreed with me on the matter.

    Either way, start of with IE stage 1 high torque, they recommend the tcu tune so you don't burn up your clutch(increased clamping pressure is the most important part of the tune), plus it will increase your times if driving in sport, smoother in auto. you'll be in heaven. Later down the road upgrade intake and downpipe, etc and get stage 2 high torque. I wouldn't even bother with st.1 low torque. It's not much better than stock, and its the same price.

    As far as doing uni stage 1 and adding 1k hardware, it would be the same as doing IE and doing the same. IE is just covering their asses by saying required/ highly recommended. Any stage 1+ is highly recommended you do an intake, and all stage 2 requires a downpipe. It's just different marketing strategies. Not to mention, $1000 is not enough to get good hardware that would equate to getting the power of the st.1 ht and tcu w/ an intake. One thing I love about IE is how thorough they are with everything. They show dynographs for every tune and say what supporting mods they're using to get those numbers, they show whp and bhp, etc.

    If you have any more questions feel free to pm me, but I would look up my earlier threads and read those. Haven't met anyone who disagreed with me on the matter. Good luck and let us know what you decide on. You'll be happy either way. I just think you'll be slightly more happy with IE.
    Garage: 2017 Glacier white S3 prestige Mods: integrated engineering stage 2 high torque w/ crackle, i.e. tcu, Apr carbon fiber cold air intake, apr cf turbo inlet pipe, GFB DVX dv/bov, CTS turbo inlet, NGK R7437-9 plugs, scorpion cat-back, EMD splitter and spoiler
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    I'm currently tuning with Eurodyne Maestro. If you have a local VAG tuner, it's a good choice to throw in the mix.

    I initially started out with the canned 93 octane Eurodyne file. My findings are that this tune rides the knock sensors and has lumpy power delivery (with datalogs to support), but my tuner states that the majority of canned tunes for our platform behave this way. With just the canned 93 Eurodyne file, and an APR TCU tune, I ran 12.30@111 on Dragy, slightly uphill.

    I used APR for the TCU tune, and I do believe it's the best out there. APR cars leave better and the tune is smoother. My only initial annoyance was that the car downshifted when decelerating in D. I was OK with that in S, but not in D. That said, I've grown used to it and don't notice anymore.

    After setting a baseline, I wanted something more refined, so I started working on a map with a friend and MQB tuner for the ECU through Maestro. We're still datalogging and revising, but 3 revisions in, boost fluctuations are gone and the power is smooth and strong. We're adding in timing now. There's no question a custom tune is a better/safer tune, IMO. My tuner feels that when we're done the car will make more power and be quicker all without riding the knock sensors, and throwing boost spikes all over the place, and I believe it. I'm sure there are reputable tuners in your area that can dial in your car with a customer Maestro map, or you can can it remotely. My guy is in RI, 8-9 hours away from me.
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    You dont need a tuner in your area, you can be tuned remotely with eurodyne maestro, I tune people from all over the states and a couple in Canada. But as stated above a custom tune tailored to your vehicle is the best.

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    I have also seen that IE will tweak their tunes if you send them logs. Is that true?


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    I have IE stage 1 and tcu tune and can confirm customer service has been great. Super easy to install at home. Car is a beast at stage 1. I dunno how long I’ll last before I decide to go stage 2.

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