The exact service for recalibrating Magnectic ride after lowering please

[RS3USC]

I have searched but no one has ever posted the exact service or dealer charge for doing this. Car is going in for recall tomorrow and wanted to finally do this.

Thanks in advance.

[Potatohead_RS3]

I don't know how many people actually do it. It is a good idea, for sure, but it can't be done with a regular scan tool and needs to be done by Audi. I would imagine they would charge 1/2 hour or so.

There was a thread maybe 18 months ago with one of the magnaride engineers. He said you don't have to reset the zero point but if you don't, you'll hit bumpstops a lot more. If you do reset it, the shock now "knows" you are closer to the bumpstop and will respond accordingly (stiffer) to keep you off of it.

[RS3USC]

Thanks. I figured since it was going to Audi it would finally be time. Many talk about this but never in specifics like its a dark secret folder on the computer.

[Rs3three]

I had it done recently by an independent. It needs to be done using ODIS, it’s a fairly quick job, < 30m.
They scan the car and then update the ride height (you measure the new height) with new settings. The process also adjusts the headlights.

It takes a few start cycles for the shocks to adapt to new settings. It makes the ride smoother in the smaller bumps and undulations. It brings back a suppleness to ride quality. Mine also felt a little smoother in the transition in a corner (but could be my imagination.)

I didn’t notice any difference in bigger bumps, still has the crash Audi ride. But IMO well worth it.

[RS3USC]

I had it done recently by an independent. It needs to be done using ODIS, it’s a fairly quick job, < 30m.
They scan the car and then update the ride height (you measure the new height) with new settings. The process also adjusts the headlights.

It takes a few start cycles for the shocks to adapt to new settings. It makes the ride smoother in the smaller bumps and undulations. It brings back a suppleness to ride quality. Mine also felt a little smoother in the transition in a corner (but could be my imagination.)

I didn’t notice any difference in bigger bumps, still has the crash Audi ride. But IMO well worth it.

Thank you, I was just at Fletcher Jones, their Master Tech who handles the RS models said they have never done this on a non-air suspension car. He said the magnetic shocks just adapt blah blah. It seems like everyone but the dealer knows, shocking.

[rex_racer]

Thank you, I was just at Fletcher Jones, their Master Tech who handles the RS models said they have never done this on a non-air suspension car. He said the magnetic shocks just adapt blah blah. It seems like everyone but the dealer knows, shocking.

Your tech just doesn't know.

If they lookup the procedure for R&R of Mag Ride shocks it will describe how to conduct the reset. People have been charged between .5 to 1hr of labor for the service.

The shocks firm up in a nice way after the reset. They are far more composed. In transitions the shocks feel better, as they are stiffer and respond more quickly to inputs. This should be done regardless of lowered, or not, bushing mounts and spring sag and will change the ride height and the static length of the strut/shock. MR shocks will adapt valving, they DO NOT learn ride heights on their own. I was in this camp of thinking until I gave it a shot and immediately noticed the difference. I was expecting no difference.

[brad65ford]

This whole thing seems silly, why don't we change the sensor location or arm itself after doing drops springs etc... Seems to make more sense to me to change that.

[RS3USC]

Your tech just doesn't know.

If they lookup the procedure for R&R of Mag Ride shocks it will describe how to conduct the reset. People have been charged between .5 to 1hr of labor for the service.

The shocks firm up in a nice way after the reset. They are far more composed. In transitions the shocks feel better, as they are stiffer and respond more quickly to inputs. This should be done regardless of lowered, or not, bushing mounts and spring sag and will change the ride height and the static length of the strut/shock. MR shocks will adapt valving, they DO NOT learn ride heights on their own. I was in this camp of thinking until I gave it a shot and immediately noticed the difference. I was expecting no difference.

Thank you! That did the trick, picked it up and I can assuredly tell the difference. Fletcher Jones now knows how to do this. They said the RS3 is the only RS model that allows this.

[purekoryo]

Thank you! That did the trick, picked it up and I can assuredly tell the difference. Fletcher Jones now knows how to do this. They said the RS3 is the only RS model that allows this.

I have an appointment this Saturday morning for this. I have a tune. Hopefully they won't void my entire warranty outside of the drivetrain.

[RingNut]

If they plug in the computer and a tune is detected, it's flagged TD1 by Audi not the dealer. The dealer has no control over it or the warranty.

I asked my Shop Foreman his thoughts on it and he explained they main functionality of it is to essentially ensure all 4 shocks have equal pressure. So in the instance where an individual shock is replaced, they use ODIS to adjust the charge in the new shock as well as the three remaining shocks to match since as we know, MRC deteriorates over time. That being said, if you change the travel of the shock by compressing it with lowering springs, it then makes sense that ODIS would likely see that some adjustment is needed. We are going to try it on my car soon, I'll report my butt dynos results as soon as I have them.

[OE2]

what's the rough cost of doing this?

[RS3USC]

what's the rough cost of doing this?

I paid 150.

[0000 RS5]

I had this done last year after installing Neuspeed lowering springs. It helped a lot. The position of each center point is stored (reset as part of the process). The system adjust dampening and rebound of the mag ride based on how far the position is from the stored center point.

[purekoryo]

Just FYI. Did the magride calibration. Wasn't OMG difference but the car is a tad bit flatter around corners now. They charged 30 minutes labor and adjusted d my headlights in the process.

[purekoryo]

If they plug in the computer and a tune is detected, it's flagged TD1 by Audi not the dealer. The dealer has no control over it or the warranty.

I asked my Shop Foreman his thoughts on it and he explained they main functionality of it is to essentially ensure all 4 shocks have equal pressure. So in the instance where an individual shock is replaced, they use ODIS to adjust the charge in the new shock as well as the three remaining shocks to match since as we know, MRC deteriorates over time. That being said, if you change the travel of the shock by compressing it with lowering springs, it then makes sense that ODIS would likely see that some adjustment is needed. We are going to try it on my car soon, I'll report my butt dynos results as soon as I have them.

Have you noticed any difference? I haven't noticed THAT much of a difference.

[purekoryo]

I had this done last year after installing Neuspeed lowering springs. It helped a lot. The position of each center point is stored (reset as part of the process). The system adjust dampening and rebound of the mag ride based on how far the position is from the stored center point.

Have same springs. Did this this morning and didn't notice much. When you say helped a lot, you mean comfort or performance? I felt like performance was only a tad tad better. Comfort is the same. Maybe it takes a while for me to notice?

[0000 RS5]

Have same springs. Did this this morning and didn't notice much. When you say helped a lot, you mean comfort or performance? I felt like performance was only a tad tad better. Comfort is the same. Maybe it takes a while for me to notice?

For performance. I guess a lot is a bit of an overstatement. It was most noticeable at speed over rolling bends. Was a bit unsettled before the recalibration.

[rex_racer]

Keep in mind if you have marginal lowering, the stored point is not going to make as dramatic of a difference as a car that's been lowered an inch or more.

[purekoryo]

Well I drove the car to more extremes this afternoon and can now feel more solid. I never hit over 1.0 G but fore, heck I only hit 1.0g just once ever since I owned the car. Well just a few minutes ago I took a tight left turn on a road I take everyday and got 1.1 G's albeit with a bit more understeer.

[purekoryo]

I had it done recently by an independent. It needs to be done using ODIS, it’s a fairly quick job, < 30m.
They scan the car and then update the ride height (you measure the new height) with new settings. The process also adjusts the headlights.

It takes a few start cycles for the shocks to adapt to new settings. It makes the ride smoother in the smaller bumps and undulations. It brings back a suppleness to ride quality. Mine also felt a little smoother in the transition in a corner (but could be my imagination.)

I didn’t notice any difference in bigger bumps, still has the crash Audi ride. But IMO well worth it.

I think a good point has been made here that it take a few start cycles to notice a difference. I didn't notice much right away but after 2-3 starts I noticed it...

[VargasTurboTech]

We calibrated our mag-ride height today using VCDS after the ride height sensors got disturbed doing some suspension work. The head lights were off, and car has been hitting the bump stops on hard bumps since adding H&R springs. After the procedure headlights were back where they were supposed to be, and the car feels much more composed over bumps, less bouncy. Worth doing for sure.

[brad65ford]

Couldn’t agree more. Recently did springs and recalibration of mag ride. Night and day difference

[jd_rs3]

We calibrated our mag-ride height today using VCDS after the ride height sensors got disturbed doing some suspension work. The head lights were off, and car has been hitting the bump stops on hard bumps since adding H&R springs. After the procedure headlights were back where they were supposed to be, and the car feels much more composed over bumps, less bouncy. Worth doing for sure.

How do you do this in vcds

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[P5stunna]

We calibrated our mag-ride height today using VCDS after the ride height sensors got disturbed doing some suspension work. The head lights were off, and car has been hitting the bump stops on hard bumps since adding H&R springs. After the procedure headlights were back where they were supposed to be, and the car feels much more composed over bumps, less bouncy. Worth doing for sure.

Is this the same process as in the video below? I'm thinking about purchasing VCDS and a windows computer to re-calibrate my stock sensors if I do decide to go back to just lowering springs.

[RingNut]

allroads have air suspension, so no.

[Rs3three]

My understanding is that it can only be done with ODIS.

[P5stunna]

allroads have air suspension, so no.

I would think a leveling sensor is just a leveling sensor, regardless, whether the suspension is mag ride, air ride or static?

[RingNut]

MRC charges metal particles in the fluid within the shock tube to adjust damping, it's nothing like 20 year old air suspension on the allroad.

[SwissJetPilot]

I'm very interested in how this turns out, especially with regards to the ODIS. I'm looking at replacing a rear mag shock on a 2007 Audi TT Mk2 (8J) with a new OEM factory mag shock and have been trying to figure out if a VCDS Adaptation or Basic setting is required.

Most of the Forums I've researched on this only discuss how to perform a Mag-Ride delete when replacing the entire OEM suspension for a non-OEM system. There's no clear answer for what to do when installing a new mag shock. Even Ross Tech wasn't able to provide a good answer as they pointed me to the Air Ride Suspension Adaptation (mentioned above) but it's a completely different animal.

Any information you can pass along regarding either VCDS or ODIS would be greatly appreciated!

EDIT - Looking through VCDS, there is an option under Address 14 - Susp. Elect. for Basic Setting which gives the options for:

• Adapting high values
• Damping adjustment valve; calibration
• Reset to factory settings
• Resetting of all adaptations

I would guess that the first two would be the way to go, but can't find anything on how to perform these options.

[b7scuderiafan]

I'm not using vcds so I don't have the password hint, Can anyone post the login code?

[arulrs3]

In RS3/S3/MQB facebook group there is a person named Simon leigh from UK. He can help you with this using ODIS. I have ODIS (Here in NC,US) and he did my mag ride calibration (plugged in values for new datum position) after lowering springs using ODIS software.

[Bezlar]

In RS3/S3/MQB facebook group there is a person named Simon leigh from UK. He can help you with this using ODIS. I have ODIS (Here in NC,US) and he did my mag ride calibration (plugged in values for new datum position) after lowering springs using ODIS software.

I’m using him also. We tried Sunday but the dongle I had was bad. So I’m waiting on the new one. He was great to work with. He also has lots of other things he can do with odis.


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[Skunkwerx]

I've been told that this can only be done through ODIS. Had it completed in about 10-15 this past weekend.
Tech said it was similar procedure to adjust air ride suspension settings and that the "how to" image within ODIS or help guides showed an ALL ROAD vehicle image.

[Dubonfire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIlka4NFLvk&t=715s

[b7scuderiafan]

I've been told that this can only be done through ODIS. Had it completed in about 10-15 this past weekend.
Tech said it was similar procedure to adjust air ride suspension settings and that the "how to" image within ODIS or help guides showed an ALL ROAD vehicle image.

Can be done with VCDS or one of the higher end Autel scan tools. But you need to login to the module first.

[rex_racer]

Can be done with VCDS or one of the higher end Autel scan tools. But you need to login to the module first.

Do you have any details on how this can be done with VCDS? I've seen details on how to do it if you have air suspension, but nothing for MR shocks. I've only seen ODIS, or ODIS clones be able to conduct the calibration.

[v9pal95]

These are the steps via ODIS as per Elsapro. I plan to get springs eventually too.

Luckily I work at a dealership so I can pretty much look up anything that I'm curious about.

Should be similar on VCDS etc

Hopefully this helps!

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[SwissJetPilot]

According to SSP381 (for the Audi TT Mk2), it only mentions calibration if J250 or a level sender is replaced. However it does talk about Cold Start function with a diagnostic tester. Can anyone provide information on exactly what a Cold Start test is and if it can be performed with VCDS?

"The system initialisation must be performed when the control unit J250 and/or one or more vehicle level senders is replaced. The characteristic curves of the vehicle level sender are stored in the control unit. During the system initialisation procedure, the control unit is informed which vehicle ride heights at the wheel positions match the actual measured values generated by the vehicle level sender. If these assignments are known to the control unit, then all measured values generated subsequently by the vehicle level sender can be converted to vehicle ride heights. The basic system initialisation procedure is identical to the procedure for initialising the as systems in the A6 and A8. The system initialisation can only be performed when the code control unit is coded."

"When control unit J250 or shock absorber dampers are replaced, the control unit must determine the electrical resistance values of the damper coils at ambient temperature. The control unit saves these values as "standard values" for purposes of temperature compensation (refer to "Special functions - temperature model"). This function is activated automatically after ignition on, provided the vehicle has been out of use for at least 3 hours (e.g. even after a cold start in the morning). During this time not in use, the temperatures of the dampers have adjusted to the ambient temperature. If the mechanic has fitted shock absorber dampers which are already at ambient temperature (e.g. parts sourced directly from the spare parts warehouse), the resistance measurement function can be started immediately by activating the "Cold start" function with the diagnostic tester."

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[SwissJetPilot]

From the Ross Tech Forum - Hopefully this is also applicable for your vehicle -

https://forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/22041/

Do not change the coding for the [14-Susp. Elect.], it is correct at [000012] since this is a 2008 Audi TT (8J) Coupe with a 3.2l VR6. To clear the code 01794-Control Module - Incorrect Chassis (VIN) Number you will need to follow the procedure below:

As per the Ross-Tech wiki page linked above
"When found in Audi TT (8J) [14]-Suspension Electronics, and the J250-Electronic Damping Control Module was replaced, it will be necessary to code the J250 and Re-adapt default ride height positions."

Here is the procedure for the " Re-adapt default ride height positions".

Re-adapt 'Susp. Elect.' (J250) to default position - ("Heights for running gear with controlled damping J250")

Specs for Audi TT Mk2 (8J):
• Front Axle = 369mm
• Rear Axle = 355mm
• (Max deviation = +/-50mm)[/INDENT]

Prerequisites -
- Ignition [ON], Use a Battery maintainer
- Vehicle on level surface
- No persons or gear in Vehicle
- Fuel Tank 50% or more
- Nothing under vehicle
- Door are to remain shut during the entire procedure

Typically when the J250 has been replaced you will need to Code the J250 controller -
- Re-adapt default position
- If equipped with Dynamic Headlights, run the Headlight Basic Settings
- Adapt cold start*

1) Select - [14-Susp. Elect.] -
[Security Access-16] enter - [31564], [Do it!]

2) Measure the ride height -
In millimeters, from the center of the wheel to the edge of fender, do this for all four wheels and record the values.

Select [Adaptation - 10]
Enter in each of the following Channels:

Channel 01 (front left), [Read]
- Enter the [New value] = recorded value for the front Left wheel.
Then press [Test] and [Save]

Channel 02 (front Right), [Read]
- Enter the [New value] = recorded value for the front Right wheel.
Then press [Test] and [Save]

Channel 03 (rear left), [Read]
- Enter the [New value] = recorded value for the rear Left wheel.
Then press [Test] and [Save]

Channel 04 (rear Right), [Read]
- Enter the [New value] = recorded value for the rear Right wheel.
Then press [Test] and [Save]

Channel 05 (confirmation), [Read]
If all measured values are correct, enter "new value" of 1.
[Test] and [Save]

3) Check and clear fault codes -
Cycle the ignition as necessary and recheck for fault codes.

*Note: It maybe necessary to perform the [Security Access] of [20117] to enable the (Cold Start/Reset), Adaptation Channel [110], see VCDS for important notes.

If needed -
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Audi_A3_(8P)_Headlight_Aim_Control_(Xenon_Plus)#Ba sic_Setting"][55] - Headlight Aim Control - Basic Settings

[kevinbuenoo]

I had this done last year after installing Neuspeed lowering springs. It helped a lot. The position of each center point is stored (reset as part of the process). The system adjust dampening and rebound of the mag ride based on how far the position is from the stored center point.

Hey I know this is old, but how do you like those springs? Any pics?


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