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    B9 S4 / S5 DIY brake pad and rotor change...

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    DISCLAIMER: do what you want with your car. if you break it following the advice below its still your fault because you broke it.

    The following is a brief writeup on how you can change the brake pads and rotors yourself on the B9 S4 and S5.

    There are 2 different ways you can go about changing the front brake pads. You can remove the caliper from the caliper carrier, then replace the pads and rotors. The second way is to remove the caliper carrier from the spindle and then replace pads and rotors. There are pros and cons to each method.

    Method 1: Removing the Caliper from the Caliper Carrier and then change pads and rotors.
    -Pros: The bolts holding the caliper to the caliper carrier are easily accessible (you dont need to turn the steering wheel to gain good access) and less likely to be frozen in place with 120lbs of torque as they are lower torque bolts.

    -Cons: The first time you do it this way you'll want to get rid of those specialty torx head caliper bolts and replace them with a normal bolt. Also the threads into the caliper carrier on the caliper side appear to be aluminum and soft. If you cross thread them, you're done (although you can simply thready the bolt in from the other side to try and fix the cross thread). They are more fragile.

    Method 2: Removing the Caliper from the Spindle and then change pads and rotors.
    -Pros: You avoid having to mess with the specialty bolts holding the caliper to the carrier. You have a solid steel thread to bolt into on that side of the caliper carrier that bolts to the spindle. Less likely to damage threads.

    -Cons: You need to turn the wheel to gain access for each side. The bolts need a ton of torque.


    Either way you decide to do it, here's the tools needed and the method...

    TOOLS:
    Method 1:
    1. FastOrange hand cleaner and rags
    2. Disposable 6-8 mil black nitrile gloves
    3. pb blaster penetrating oil
    4. wire brush
    5. 13mm 12 point socket
    6. socket wrench
    7. flat head screwdriver
    8. T30 torx bit / driver
    9. white lithium grease
    10. Channellock type adjustable pliers
    11. 5 lb hammer
    OPTIONAL: if you choose to short the brake pad sensor wire you'll want:
    12. solder
    13. electrical tape
    14. zip tie


    Method 2:
    1. FastOrange hand cleaner and rags
    2. Disposable 6-8 mil black nitrile gloves
    3. pb blaster penetrating oil
    4. wire brush
    5. 1/2" drive 21 mm impact socket
    6. 1/2" socket wrench with flex head
    7. 1/2" torque wrench 50-250lb
    8. flat head screwdriver
    9. T30 torx bit / driver
    10. white lithium grease
    11. channellock type adjustable pliers
    12. 5 lb hammer
    OPTIONAL: if you choose to short the brake pad sensor wire you'll want:
    13. solder
    14. electrical tape
    15. zip tie


    PARTS:
    Method 1:
    1. OEM Brake Pads or equivalent aftermarket - Audi p/n: 8w0698151n
    I found them here for $146 --- https://www.audiusaparts.com/oem-par...ads-8w0698151n

    Note: The OEM front pads are a GF temperature rated Textar/Akebono brand pad.

    Alternative pads are the RAYBESTOS SP1894EUH specialty euro ceramic pad which is a GG rated pad available for $32 per pair at rockauto

    2. OEM Brake Rotors or equivalent aftermarket - Audi p/n: 4M0615301AN
    I found them here for $117 each: https://www.audiusaparts.com/oem-par...or-4m0615301an

    An alternative rotor is the RAYBESTOS 982153, their high performance coated street rotor available for $71 at rockauto

    3. four (4) m12 - 1.25 pitch - 70mm length bolts to replace the caliper to caliper carrier bolts


    Method 2:

    1-2: same as above in method 1

    3. four (4) replacement caliper carrier to spindle bolts (listed as one time use) - Audi p/n N91147601


    TORQUE SPECS:
    DISCLAIMER- These torque specs are from the B8 and most every other of the 12 audis I have owned now BUT they are not directly from the B9 S4 workshop manual so if anyone can provide 100% verification that these specs apply to this car please do. Otherwise, here are historical specs for past models.

    1. Caliper to caliper carrier bolts: 30Nm or 22ftlb are the old specs for the B8 calipers BUT those calipers had a different material and way of connecting between caliper and carrier. Our calipers are much more like aftermarket Brembos, Stoptechs, etc in that they are aluminum calipers bolted directly on the carrier unlike the B8 that has a flip up style connection allowing you to rotate up the caliper from the carrier while one bolt remains connected. For our calipers I found the removal torque of our bolts to break around 60ftlb. I suspect they were torqued somewhere in the 40-60ftlb range. Stoptech recommends 40ftlb. I torqued them to 50ftlb.

    2. Caliper carrier to spindle bolds: 200Nm or 148ftlb. Ive generally stopped at 120ftlb. There is a question of whether these are one time use bolts. Audi has said to clean them implying that they can be re-used but then also stated they are one time use so do what you are comfortable with.




    STEPS:


    Here she is:


    Step 1 - Removal Of Caliper Bolts

    Method 1:

    1. Get either a 1/2" socket or a 13mm socket that is 12 point and hammer it onto those two specialty bolts that hold the caliper to the carrier. Get it good and snug down onto the head. Remove them.

    The caliper is now free from the carrier but cannot yet be fully removed until you unhook the brake pad sensor wire and the hard brake fluid line from their brackets.







    Method 2:

    1. Get the 1/2" breaker bar or long 1/2" wrench with flex head and a heavy duty impact 21mm socket and unfasten the two bolts holding the caliper carrier (bracket) onto the spindle.

    It will help to turn the steering wheel AWAY from the side of the car you are working on. If working in driver side. Turn the wheel full right. This gives access to those two bolts.




    NEXT STEP BOTH METHODS:

    Step 2- Removing the caliper

    -Remove the brake pad sensor wire/plug from its bracket. Lightly place a flat head screwdriver under the plastic clip that holds the sensor connector to the bracket freeing the connector to be able to rotate 90 degrees in the braket. Once you rotate the connector 90 degrees you can slide it out of the metal bracket.



    - Next remove the hard brake line from its bracket shown below. To do this simply remove the metal clip that holds the line in place by sliding a flat head onto the tip of the clip and prying away from the bracket sliding it out. Shown below is the line after the clip has been removed and freed from the bracket




    - Now you can slide the caliper off the rotor and lay it down on something elevated so you do not put strain on the line.






    Step 3 - Removing the rotor


    This can be a really easy step or a really annoying step depending on your luck.

    -Start by removing the small t30 torx screw that holds the rotor to the hub. You may want to spray some penetrating oil if this does not come off easily. If it is frozen in place you may have to drill it out. Do so. I, personally, tend to not replace these once I have successfully gotten them out. Your choice.

    - Next you need to free the rotor. You may get lucky and it pops free. I didnt. If you have difficulty even after penetrating oil, give the rotor a swift bang on the rotor hat area in the area between each lug bolt hole. A few really good wacks with a 5lb hammer should break free the mechanical weld (from corrosion and compression) that has taken place.

    * You may want to take a wire brush to clean corrosion from the hub area at the center bore. Some people put a bit of lithium grease there as well.






    Step 4 - Replacing the pads

    - the pads simply slide out towards the center of the caliper away from the pistons.

    * You may want to first use a channellock pliers and a THICK rag (to protect the caliper finish) to push the pistons back into their fully retracted positions. This will make room for the new pads. Its better to do this now so you dont risk marring up the new pads doing it with them in the caliper.

    - Some pads come with new retaining clips. There are 4 metal clips. Two on each end of the pad and two up at the top where the bridge would be. Replace them if you so desire.





    Many new pads will not come with a metal brake pad shim that is on your old pad. Just transfer it over.




    - Apply white lithium grease to any area where the pad backing plate makes contact with the caliper. Apply to the edge of the backing plate in those areas. Do not apply to the friction material surface of the pads.


    REINSTALLATION IS REVERSE OF REMOVAL. Torque specs listed above. I use 50ftlbs for caliper to carrier bolts and 148ftlbs for carrier to spindle bolts. Use whatever Audi says for the B9 though. Thats just what I used.

    Mike






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    Last edited by bhvrdr; 11-23-2019 at 06:25 AM.

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    Do you have all the torque specs for each bolt?

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    Yup, give me until tonight all and i'll finish the text. I'll put the steps and torque specs and everything.

    EDIT: ok i updated quite a bit of it. Let me know if anyone has confusion. I just did this over lunch because I was trying to see what I want to do for a factory big brake kit. It looks like not alot can be done just installing caliper spacers. I probably have to do a full caliper swap. RS calipers are available used and Ill probably pair them with q74M blank rotors (for tracking) in lie of the RS discs
    Last edited by bhvrdr; 10-11-2019 at 02:20 PM.

    2018 Audi S5
    12.72 @ 108.85mph - 93 octane - +1565DA - Bone Stock
    11.68 @ 117mph - e30 octane - (-945DA) - jb4 only

    2013 Audi S5 DSG - Unitronic ECU & 034 TCU, 3.17pr
    11.07 at 123.62mph - draggy - 93 octane - (-407ft DA)
    Gone-
    '10 A4 Avant - '13 S5 #1 -- '16 A6 -- '15 S4 -- '09 A4 -- '04 S4 -- '06 A4 -- '03 A4 -- '00 A4

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    Is it just the way you took a picture or those pads they didn't wear out the same? From one of the pictures it looks like one pad still have like 50% meat left while the other one almost all worn out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dardani2000 View Post
    Is it just the way you took a picture or those pads they didn't wear out the same? From one of the pictures it looks like one pad still have like 50% meat left while the other one almost all worn out?
    I found the inner pad had maybe a mm more wear yeah. Im not doing any lap days this month so i left the pads in. They have at least 6mm left. Ill swap them then.

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    11.68 @ 117mph - e30 octane - (-945DA) - jb4 only

    2013 Audi S5 DSG - Unitronic ECU & 034 TCU, 3.17pr
    11.07 at 123.62mph - draggy - 93 octane - (-407ft DA)
    Gone-
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    Thanks for posting this Mike. The hard part is taking pics and editing the post.

    It’s a little disappointing that Audi didn’t take advantage of a multi piston design and open the back of the front caliper and use pins to hold the pads in place so the pads could be replaced without caliper removal.

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    Here's the overview page, 200nm for the method 2 carrier bolts, but I think I just put a breaker bar on it and went as hard as I could.
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    Thanks so much nicotino!

    Motown i agree. I thought about adapting some b8 rs5 brembos to this car for that reason. At 365mm theyll fit under 18s, theyre monobloc, and you can hot swap pads through the bridge.

    Unfortunately the easiest is probably going to be swapping on 375mm rs5 calipers with q74m rotors if i can get them to clear my 18s

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    11.68 @ 117mph - e30 octane - (-945DA) - jb4 only

    2013 Audi S5 DSG - Unitronic ECU & 034 TCU, 3.17pr
    11.07 at 123.62mph - draggy - 93 octane - (-407ft DA)
    Gone-
    '10 A4 Avant - '13 S5 #1 -- '16 A6 -- '15 S4 -- '09 A4 -- '04 S4 -- '06 A4 -- '03 A4 -- '00 A4

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    You're the man! Ive been looking all over for a write up like this and couldn't find anything...

    Thank you!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicotino15 View Post
    Here's the overview page, 200nm for the method 2 carrier bolts, but I think I just put a breaker bar on it and went as hard as I could.
    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    Thanks so much nicotino!

    Motown i agree. I thought about adapting some b8 rs5 brembos to this car for that reason. At 365mm theyll fit under 18s, theyre monobloc, and you can hot swap pads through the bridge.

    Unfortunately the easiest is probably going to be swapping on 375mm rs5 calipers with q74m rotors if i can get them to clear my 18s
    Thanks to both of you guys...much appreciated. BTW good to see you in the B9 forum Mike..

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    Thank you!

    Would you please list the M12 bolts' part number and where to get them? This is the bolt used in your method 1; you may have listed it, but I can't seem to find it in your post.

    For spreading the pistons, I used this:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    I used this on my wife's Touareg Brembo brakes. Worked like a charm!

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    Protip:

    For anyone doing the rear brakes on the S4, keep in mind the rear brakes now have a wear sensor that you also have to purchase. On my previous B8 model Audi didn't incorporate that sensor into the rears(just the fronts had this wear sensor).

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    Did the rears yesterday. Very straightforward. Alot like doing the fronts on the b8 models with the flip up calipers. If doing just a pad change takes one 13mm bolt and 10 minutes. Rotor swap adds another 10 minutes and removal of the two 18mm carrier bolts. Used obd11 to retract the parking brake

























    Last edited by bhvrdr; 10-26-2019 at 08:39 AM.

    2018 Audi S5
    12.72 @ 108.85mph - 93 octane - +1565DA - Bone Stock
    11.68 @ 117mph - e30 octane - (-945DA) - jb4 only

    2013 Audi S5 DSG - Unitronic ECU & 034 TCU, 3.17pr
    11.07 at 123.62mph - draggy - 93 octane - (-407ft DA)
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    bhvrdr,

    After you retracted the parking brake using obd11, did you have to compress the piston at all? If so, was it simply pressing the piston in, or did you have to rotate it while pressing it in using one of those VW/Audi specific discs?

    I always see conflicting information on that subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motown_Dub View Post
    bhvrdr,

    After you retracted the parking brake using obd11, did you have to compress the piston at all? If so, was it simply pressing the piston in, or did you have to rotate it while pressing it in using one of those VW/Audi specific discs?

    I always see conflicting information on that subject.
    Just pushed on it with my thumbs. Very easy.

    On my b8 i used the caliper clamps that turn the piston and it worked INSTEAD of using obd11 to retract.

    2018 Audi S5
    12.72 @ 108.85mph - 93 octane - +1565DA - Bone Stock
    11.68 @ 117mph - e30 octane - (-945DA) - jb4 only

    2013 Audi S5 DSG - Unitronic ECU & 034 TCU, 3.17pr
    11.07 at 123.62mph - draggy - 93 octane - (-407ft DA)
    Gone-
    '10 A4 Avant - '13 S5 #1 -- '16 A6 -- '15 S4 -- '09 A4 -- '04 S4 -- '06 A4 -- '03 A4 -- '00 A4

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    Just pushed on it with my thumbs. Very easy.

    On my b8 i used the caliper clamps that turn the piston and it worked INSTEAD of using obd11 to retract.
    Thank you sir!

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    Thought id do some informal testing on these stock ferodo pads. Not impressed. Two stops from 130mph and theres vibration with pad breakdown. Theyre gg rated but not up to high performance driving imo.

    2018 Audi S5
    12.72 @ 108.85mph - 93 octane - +1565DA - Bone Stock
    11.68 @ 117mph - e30 octane - (-945DA) - jb4 only

    2013 Audi S5 DSG - Unitronic ECU & 034 TCU, 3.17pr
    11.07 at 123.62mph - draggy - 93 octane - (-407ft DA)
    Gone-
    '10 A4 Avant - '13 S5 #1 -- '16 A6 -- '15 S4 -- '09 A4 -- '04 S4 -- '06 A4 -- '03 A4 -- '00 A4

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    Does anybody know if there's any new pad options? I have ebc yellowstuff on the front, and I know there is another cheaper option, but the usual other options from Hawk, stoptech etc.. don't seem to exist?

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    I’ve been running Porterfield R4S pads with stock rotors on the rear for a few thousand miles. Dust seems to be reduced and braking performance isn’t noticeably different either way compared to stock pads. Just put new stock rotors and the R4S pads on the front over the weekend. Once these have some more mileage on them I’ll start pushing them a bit harder and report back. I was definitely disappointed in the options out there. I figured I’d stick with stock rotors (not a fan of cheap/aftermarket options with unknown origin) and try these pads knowing that the rotors and pads would likely only last another 20-25k.


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    Working on an oem bbk option for the s4/s5 folks good for tracking. Not aesthetics. So far im impressed with the rotor weights.

    375x36mm is weighing in the same as the stock 350x34mm. Hopefully this will add quite a bit of thermal capacity while just barely fitting under an 18" track setup.













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    12.72 @ 108.85mph - 93 octane - +1565DA - Bone Stock
    11.68 @ 117mph - e30 octane - (-945DA) - jb4 only

    2013 Audi S5 DSG - Unitronic ECU & 034 TCU, 3.17pr
    11.07 at 123.62mph - draggy - 93 octane - (-407ft DA)
    Gone-
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    Stock front pad is a textar/akebono that is GF temperature rated.

    I replaced them with a GG temperature rated pad

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    2018 Audi S5
    12.72 @ 108.85mph - 93 octane - +1565DA - Bone Stock
    11.68 @ 117mph - e30 octane - (-945DA) - jb4 only

    2013 Audi S5 DSG - Unitronic ECU & 034 TCU, 3.17pr
    11.07 at 123.62mph - draggy - 93 octane - (-407ft DA)
    Gone-
    '10 A4 Avant - '13 S5 #1 -- '16 A6 -- '15 S4 -- '09 A4 -- '04 S4 -- '06 A4 -- '03 A4 -- '00 A4

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    B9 S4 / S5 DIY brake pad and rotor change...

    I replaced my pads and rotors recently but now have a squeal... Looking at the picture above, I now realize that I did not reinstall the thin bare steel shims on the back of the front brake pads. I replaced the OEM pads with Porterfield R4S which have a rivoted shim without the cut-outs so I guess I assumed the extra shim was not needed. I am trying to find replacements as they are long gone in the trash but Audi cannot find a part number for them. I had them order a set of front brake pads hoping they are included but they have not received them yet to check. Did anyone not install the shims and are squeal free? Thanks for the help in advance!
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    Does anyone know of the B9 350 x 34mm rotors on the S4/S5 are exactly like the ones on the 08-15 Cayenne 350 x 34mm rotors? If so maybe there are aftermarket slotted/drilled rotors as an option but marketed for the Cayenne?

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    I believe the offset is different dont quote me.

    Fitted rs5 calipers and q7m rotors on the s5. They fit but wont clear my 18" track setup.... so off they came :(

    2018 Audi S5
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    11.68 @ 117mph - e30 octane - (-945DA) - jb4 only

    2013 Audi S5 DSG - Unitronic ECU & 034 TCU, 3.17pr
    11.07 at 123.62mph - draggy - 93 octane - (-407ft DA)
    Gone-
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    I believe the offset is different dont quote me.

    Fitted rs5 calipers and q7m rotors on the s5. They fit but wont clear my 18" track setup.... so off they came :(
    I thought the B9 S and RS calipers were the same? Curious about the rotors though, I'd love to fit the larger RS rotors on my S4. Which rotors did you use and did you notice an offset difference?

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    Thanks so much for this write-up bhvrdr! Forgive me if this is a stupid/obvious question, but I want to make sure I can retract the parking brake before I begin. Is there anything fancy I need to do to retract the parking brake? I see you say it can be done using an OBDII tool, but is there anything special I should know about this step before I start? Will just any OBDII reader work? I bought a cheap one just to be able to read/reset engine codes, but I don't think it's anything special.

    Thanks in advance for any help/info you can provide!

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    Question for those who have replace their own brakes: I replaced my rear pads and sensor when I did my brake pads this week and I still have the brake sensor warning light upon startup. Any solutions to clearing this light other than going to the dealer? I assumed it would go out with a new sensor, but I was wrong.

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    Btw: I released the electronic parking brake prior to starting the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    I believe the offset is different dont quote me.

    Fitted rs5 calipers and q7m rotors on the s5. They fit but wont clear my 18" track setup.... so off they came :(
    Where did you get the RS5 calipers and q7m rotors? I do 19" wheel setup, so interested in trying it out
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    bhvrdr, do you also have to replace the wear sensor when changing just the pads ? Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Addiboy View Post
    bhvrdr, do you also have to replace the wear sensor when changing just the pads ? Thanks in advance!
    You only have to replace it if you break it and or it was contacted and used to indicate to you that your brakes were worn down. I re-used all of mine when I replaced pads as I didn't let them wear down all the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicotino15 View Post
    You only have to replace it if you break it and or it was contacted and used to indicate to you that your brakes were worn down. I re-used all of mine when I replaced pads as I didn't let them wear down all the way.

    From the sounds of it the RS5 calipers fit without any modification, but require at least a 19" wheel setup. I'm very interested in that with the complete lack of any rotor/pad options for this platform.
    Thank you!!!

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    How many sensors are there for the brake pads? 2 front + 2 rear or 1 front + 1 rear?

    Also, anyone try sensors that were not OEM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingmkevin View Post
    How many sensors are there for the brake pads? 2 front + 2 rear or 1 front + 1 rear?

    Also, anyone try sensors that were not OEM?
    Believe its 1 in the front and 1 in the rear. I am not sure and was wondering the same, so free bump.

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    Yes, one in front and one in rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingmkevin View Post
    How many sensors are there for the brake pads? 2 front + 2 rear or 1 front + 1 rear?

    Also, anyone try sensors that were not OEM?
    One front and one rear.

    So, I just replaced the rear pads and sensor (non-OEM, the one from Europa). What should have been a 30 min job ended up being 2 hours. I thought I'd be able to outsmart the electronic parking brake by putting the car in neutral and turning the car off. Unaware that the parking brake was engaged, I tried to remove the first rear caliper. I first removed one of the 13mm caliper bolts and loosened the other, hoping to just swing it down like the OP mentioned and took pictures of. Obviously it wouldn't budge, so I ended up removing the bracket bolts as well. Still no movement. I supported the caliper, turned the car on, and put it in neutral again. This freed the whole assembly from the rotor and I was able to switch out the pads. With new thicker pads, I couldn't get the assembly back on the rotor and couldn't compress the piston (due to the parking brake being engaged). I ended up pulling off the parking brake motor (attached by 2 T30 bolts). A 7mm key fits perfectly into the hole where the motor was (sorry no pictures, you'll know what I mean when you pull it apart). Turn the allen key clockwise until it stops. This resets the parking brake, allowing you to retract the piston. Reinstall the parking motor and you're good to reassemble everything. Obviously I would have just used an OBD11 if I had one....this appears to be a work around. Definitely not easy or fast, but it's doable. FYI, the wear sensor in the rear is on the passenger inner brake pad. Can't miss it. Also, doing it this way will result in a parking brake warning message to appear on the dash. It went away once I put the car in drive. Planning on seating the pads tomorrow morning.

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    B9 S4 / S5 DIY brake pad and rotor change...

    I wouldn’t call obd eleven or VCDS a workaround. Rather a correct way to service rear brakes. What you did was the workaround. Props for tackling it and figuring out a way.


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    For sure. Sorry I wasn't clear...I was saying what I did was the work around. OBD eleven or VCDS is definitely the correct way to go.

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    Do you guys recommend a brake flush when changing the pads? My car is a 2018 Audi S5. Do you happen to have a guide for the brake flush procedure?

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