First time RS7 shopper

[JD S4]

I've been trying to find a buyers guide to help me make an educated decision. I've read a bunch of threads but lots of one-offs type.

So I'll lead with an apology for redundant posting, yes I searched (happy to read links if you have them)..

I'm in the market for an RS7. I'm likely going to be on the lower side of the current price range. $55-$65k - seems like it buys you a 14'-16' with anywhere from 30-60k miles.
So - let me fire a bunch of questions and you can verbally abuse me, answer what you know and link me where you can.

• In general - is there any year to avoid? Lots of '14s fall into my price range.
• Are there any major changes in years/options that happened from 14-17
• What are the 2-3 key options you wouldn't buy an RS7 without
• Is the turbo issues common in 4.0TT from S6 and S7 also prevelant in RS7? Not sure if that same oil restriction exists in the RS7 set up
• Anything I should absolutely not buy if I see it in/on the car
• If I buy one out of warranty, should I consider an aftermarket? If so, any recommendations?

I *will* tune the car. The things I *think* I want are the sport exhaust (what year did this become available) and if air suspension is available (I believe it is), I'd want that. Other than that - I'm still learning. I've had a heavily modified S4 and currently an '18 SQ5. I'm a car guy so please speak the language. No noob here - even if the questions are posted as such.
Thanks for the help, learnings, education and links.

[CR8LUCK]

I've been trying to find a buyers guide to help me make an educated decision. I've read a bunch of threads but lots of one-offs type.

So I'll lead with an apology for redundant posting, yes I searched (happy to read links if you have them)..

I'm in the market for an RS7. I'm likely going to be on the lower side of the current price range. $55-$65k - seems like it buys you a 14'-16' with anywhere from 30-60k miles.
So - let me fire a bunch of questions and you can verbally abuse me, answer what you know and link me where you can.

• In general - is there any year to avoid? Lots of '14s fall into my price range.
• Are there any major changes in years/options that happened from 14-17
• What are the 2-3 key options you wouldn't buy an RS7 without
• Is the turbo issues common in 4.0TT from S6 and S7 also prevelant in RS7? Not sure if that same oil restriction exists in the RS7 set up
• Anything I should absolutely not buy if I see it in/on the car

I *will* tune the car. The things I *think* I want are the sport exhaust (what year did this become available) and if air suspension is available (I believe it is), I'd want that. Other than that - I'm still learning. I've had a heavily modified S4 and currently an '18 SQ5. I'm a car guy so please speak the language. No noob here - even if the questions are posted as such.
Thanks for the help, learnings, education and links.

I just purchased a 14, not much of a difference between the years. A minor facelift was done in 15 I believe and personally I like the headlights on the 14 better. Later years, maybe 16 get the top view for parking cameras, someone chime in here.

Many people are amazed when I tell them it’s a 14 because it looks so current. Really nothing to be nervous about except it’s out of warranty and not cheap to fix. Extended warranties will be quoted between $8k and $10k, but you can find them around $4k-$6k for 5yr/100k miles.

For options the big thing is the packages. Carbon package for me was a must. B&O adds cool factor and better sound. Sport seats versus comfort seats which comes down to do you want them to look cool and be comfortable or do you want them to be ugly and have ventilation, massage, and more adjustments. I like the flat bottom steering wheel and the quattro grill, but you can buy those after. DRC suspension is great if you’re really into driving hard. Buy the KW HAS for around $1k plus install and it smooths everything out a bit and lowers it plenty while still giving you the best handling. Had air on an S7 and it wasn’t nearly as good performance wise.

Turbo related issues are on all of them except for maybe more recent models. Comes down to PCV and oil screens, about $1600-$2k to fix on your own. If you’re going to tune it the factory extended 10yr/100k won’t matter. Otherwise everyone has said the engine is solid, even those who tune. For tune, go APR, NO GIAC!!

There are lots of nice RS7’s out there and thankfully for those buying used, there are some great deals. I just bought mine, Stage 2 already, and several suspension upgrades, not shown here. Hope this helps!


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[daytona rs7]

get the newest year you can afford.

headlights, tailights, and MMI cahnges in 2015 (US) are the biggest model year change. 2017 added carplay / Android Auto.

Band and Olufsen and sport exhaust

turbo issue is common on all years. plan to spend 1500-2k to remove or replace the screen ASAP. unless service records indicate it has already been done.
motor mounts are a common failure also.
Besdies that, there are no big-ticket items.

maintenance is expensive. example...brakes all around can be had as cheap as 3k (DIY with aftermarket) or 5k at the dealer.

besides accident damage, make sure there is a service history. run from any car that has none.

[JD S4]

I just purchased a 14, not much of a difference between the years. A minor facelift was done in 15 I believe and personally I like the headlights on the 14 better. Later years, maybe 16 get the top view for parking cameras, someone chime in here.

Many people are amazed when I tell them it’s a 14 because it looks so current. Really nothing to be nervous about except it’s out of warranty and not cheap to fix. Extended warranties will be quoted between $8k and $10k, but you can find them around $4k-$6k for 5yr/100k miles.

For options the big thing is the packages. Carbon package for me was a must. B&O adds cool factor and better sound. Sport seats versus comfort seats which comes down to do you want them to look cool and be comfortable or do you want them to be ugly and have ventilation, massage, and more adjustments. I like the flat bottom steering wheel and the quattro grill, but you can buy those after. DRC suspension is great if you’re really into driving hard. Buy the KW HAS for around $1k plus install and it smooths everything out a bit and lowers it plenty while still giving you the best handling. Had air on an S7 and it wasn’t nearly as good performance wise.

Turbo related issues are on all of them except for maybe more recent models. Comes down to PCV and oil screens, about $1600-$2k to fix on your own. If you’re going to tune it the factory extended 10yr/100k won’t matter. Otherwise everyone has said the engine is solid, even those who tune. For tune, go APR, NO GIAC!!

There are lots of nice RS7’s out there and thankfully for those buying used, there are some great deals. I just bought mine, Stage 2 already, and several suspension upgrades, not shown here. Hope this helps!


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This is super good info. Thank you. You bring up more thoughts.

Carbon interior important. Hate the other options.
I can do black optics exterior on my own.

Re: Flat bottom steering wheel. Also my preference. Questions - is the FBSW available on 14/15? Is it year dependant or package dependant? I live in Arizona - need 0% heated steering wheel.

RE: Seats.. Ugh.. I want cooled seats SO bad but really don't want the ugly boring seats.. I'll have to just coin flip that based on the car I find.

Re: Suspension - the reason I prefer air is I like the CETE module option and would like to air it out or drive in comfort depending on Audience.

Re: Turbos/tune. Good to go in knowing the oil screens happen on RS7 as well. I'd only go with APR on this car - GIAC and EPL are no go for me on the RS. Numbers don't lie. And I'm happy to "do the dance" around tune vs. warranty if I have to..

[JD S4]

get the newest year you can afford.

headlights, tailights, and MMI cahnges in 2015 (US) are the biggest model year change. 2017 added carplay / Android Auto.

Band and Olufsen and sport exhaust

turbo issue is common on all years. plan to spend 1500-2k to remove or replace the screen ASAP. unless service records indicate it has already been done.
motor mounts are a common failure also.
Besdies that, there are no big-ticket items.

maintenance is expensive. example...brakes all around can be had as cheap as 3k (DIY with aftermarket) or 5k at the dealer.

besides accident damage, make sure there is a service history. run from any car that has none.

Great feedback.. I think B&O, sport exhaust and air are probably the things I'd be most interested in having (maybe CF interior).

Will be proactive in oil screen.. And try to find one with recent brakes.. I know they are ching on these.. Assuming I buy a reasonable mileage model with good brakes and plan on the oil screen fix and I could have something reasonably reliable (not a huge concern).

[CR8LUCK]

This is super good info. Thank you. You bring up more thoughts.

Carbon interior important. Hate the other options.
I can do black optics exterior on my own.

Re: Flat bottom steering wheel. Also my preference. Questions - is the FBSW available on 14/15? Is it year dependant or package dependant? I live in Arizona - need 0% heated steering wheel.

RE: Seats.. Ugh.. I want cooled seats SO bad but really don't want the ugly boring seats.. I'll have to just coin flip that based on the car I find.

Re: Suspension - the reason I prefer air is I like the CETE module option and would like to air it out or drive in comfort depending on Audience.

Re: Turbos/tune. Good to go in knowing the oil screens happen on RS7 as well. I'd only go with APR on this car - GIAC and EPL are no go for me on the RS. Numbers don't lie. And I'm happy to "do the dance" around tune vs. warranty if I have to..

FYI, from my research the air suspension can only do so much before you start messing stuff up in regards to lowering. I did links for under $100 and it lowered it a bit, the module is expensive, and doing it in VAG can be risky.

I live in AZ too. Let me know when you get yours. We have some other stage 2 cars around and there are several drives that go on.

Sorry if you have a shop preference already, but AZ Euros is the only place to go and Good Speed can suck it! I wouldn’t let anyone else touch my car. If you’re doing APR, those are the only choices and everyone I know who uses AZ Euros is happy and opposite for GS.

FYI, I’m east valley. Pic is after getting it lowered last week.


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[daytona rs7]

just to clarify, 90% of the cars you find will have carbon interior. i think it was standard on RS7.
the black/aluminum inlays were the option, and much harder to come across.

I think the other poster in the thread was referencing the exterior carbon package (AKA black optics) which added carbon front lower ducts, black window trim, black grille surround, carbon diffuser, carbon mirror caps (some years only, otherwise black caps)

[CR8LUCK]

just to clarify, 90% of the cars you find will have carbon interior. i think it was standard on RS7.
the black/aluminum inlays were the option, and much harder to come across.

I think the other poster in the thread was referencing the exterior carbon package (AKA black optics) which added carbon front lower ducts, black window trim, black grille surround, carbon diffuser, carbon mirror caps (some years only, otherwise black caps)

Correct on the carbon and I agree with you on the rest. Not sure what MMI updates where done in 15. It does run a little slow Hinch can be annoying, but once it’s on it works fine. Not much different from my 2018 S4. Obviously the interface is different, but useability I think they both do fine having been in the electronics industry my whole life, I’m a bit picky. Do wish I had the aerial camera view, but that’s just cause it’s cool. We should all be using our mirrors and looking anyways, right?


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[V10Jon]

Exterior carbon (which adds the black trim) is a must for me. I wasn't a fan of the silver trim. On the early years the exterior carbon pakcage had body color mirror housings. Later years they were carbon.

The 1 option I wish I went with was alcantara headliner. I think it adds a bunch to the feel inside.

Sound system wasn't nearly as important since you can easily upgrade the BOSE subwoofer for a large improvement.

face-lifted MY16+ does have value. NAV in the center cluster, updated tail lights, rear diffuser, updated front grill of course.

[JD S4]

Super good feedback.. Agree totally on carbon fiber exterior.. Good call outs!!!

[Tdub]

CR8LUCK. Was great to meet you Saturday am at Cars and Coffee. I'm the guy with the Nardo RS7. You're insight was very helpful. Thanks again!

[JD S4]

CR8LUCK. Was great to meet you Saturday am at Cars and Coffee. I'm the guy with the Nardo RS7. You're insight was very helpful. Thanks again!

I was at C&C as well in my SQ5... Let's connect next time..
I'm currently looking at white and a nardo RS.. I want white, wife says Nardo

[CR8LUCK]

CR8LUCK. Was great to meet you Saturday am at Cars and Coffee. I'm the guy with the Nardo RS7. You're insight was very helpful. Thanks again!

Great to meet you as well. Thought about it after that I never got a chance to go check yours out. Definitely next time and would love to see the exclusive interior. Go see Christian at AZ Euros and let me know if you want to go for a ride to see the difference. It definitely changes the car in a good way.


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[Tdub]

I was at C&C as well in my SQ5... Let's connect next time..
I'm currently looking at white and a nardo RS.. I want white, wife says Nardo

There were two Cars and Coffee on Saturday. We were at the one in Chandler. South Siders, lol.

[Tdub]

Great to meet you as well. Thought about it after that I never got a chance to go check yours out. Definitely next time and would love to see the exclusive interior. Go see Christian at AZ Euros and let me know if you want to go for a ride to see the difference. It definitely changes the car in a good way.


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I'd love to feel the difference. Maybe a couple pulls side by side (in mexico of course) to see the results. lol

[CR8LUCK]

I was at C&C as well in my SQ5... Let's connect next time..
I'm currently looking at white and a nardo RS.. I want white, wife says Nardo

I think I saw that there as well. Would be great to get more RS models to these events. I love going on drive events as well. Let me know if you hear of any.

I do like the Nardo, very unique.


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[CR8LUCK]

I'd love to feel the difference. Maybe a couple pulls side by side (in mexico of course) to see the results. lol

Sounds good. Message me and we can go run them. Did you have an S4 prior with some wheels on it? I feel like we met before.


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[Tdub]

Sounds good. Message me and we can go run them. Did you have an S4 prior with some wheels on it? I feel like we met before.


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Yes. Did your son used to do Karate? lol. I had a white S4 lowered with wheels. Did you used to have a blue S5?

[CR8LUCK]

Yes. Did your son used to do Karate? lol. I had a white S4 lowered with wheels. Did you used to have a blue S5?

Yes, daughter did. Yes, had the Blue S5. I thought you looked familiar. PM me and let’s connect.


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[JD S4]

Alright let's take this one to a chat thread in AZ section.

Back to RS7 buying tips.

[zabds319]

I just bought a 2018 RS7 performance, coming from an S7.

I wanted the performance mainly for 1) the ceramic brakes as the $3-5k every 20k miles was scary. And 2) I didn’t want to tune right away for warranty concerns, so the extra HP off the bat is nice.

I was surprised by how much rougher the ride is compared the air suspension of the S7.

I have the akra titanium exhaust and I was also surprised by how much louder it is in the cabin. I don’t know if this is from lack of ANC compared to the S7 or just louder exhaust. My S7 was silent when cruising and the RS7 is not, although some is definitely road noise.

The seats are also less comfortable than I expected, less than the S seats for sure. It’s too bad the comfort seats are so ugly because they are probably more pleasant to sit in. And the cooling would be huge.

Must have: carbon exterior options, no doubt.

For me I only looked at facelift cars (post 2016), I think they just look better. This probably wasn’t much help, but has been my experience.

[JD S4]

this is fantastic feedback. thank you!

[CR8LUCK]

I just bought a 2018 RS7 performance, coming from an S7.

I wanted the performance mainly for 1) the ceramic brakes as the $3-5k every 20k miles was scary. And 2) I didn’t want to tune right away for warranty concerns, so the extra HP off the bat is nice.

I was surprised by how much rougher the ride is compared the air suspension of the S7.

I have the akra titanium exhaust and I was also surprised by how much louder it is in the cabin. I don’t know if this is from lack of ANC compared to the S7 or just louder exhaust. My S7 was silent when cruising and the RS7 is not, although some is definitely road noise.

The seats are also less comfortable than I expected, less than the S seats for sure. It’s too bad the comfort seats are so ugly because they are probably more pleasant to sit in. And the cooling would be huge.

Must have: carbon exterior options, no doubt.

For me I only looked at facelift cars (post 2016), I think they just look better. This probably wasn’t much help, but has been my experience.

Curious on a few things and some comments. You mentioned going ceramic due to long term cost, but aren’t ceramics around $20k to replace? I have new pads on my non-ceramics and I do wish they bit a little harder but a $20k brake job was hard to swallow. I think my friend did his S8 pads and grind the rotors for like $500 or less, on his own.

The DRC is definitely a rougher ride than the air, but it isn’t bad in Comfort mode and the KW HAS makes a big difference.

I hated the lack of the exhaust tone on the S7 and love the RS7. I have I think the Dynamic exhaust, but it isn’t the Akrapovic. With catless DP and an X pipe it sounds great.

Not sure on the S seats comment. I had the same seats on the S7, RS7, and similar on a 2018 S4. I think they are great and I have a terrible back. Everyone has their preferences and I do wish they had ventilation for sure. Definitely more firm than the others, but for me it’s support not hard.


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[Chiromikey]

Also living in AZ the comfort seat upgrade was a must, ventilation for me and massage for the wife. It is a bit hard to swallow that the upgraded seats look worse than the standard sport seats but pairing that with the upgraded DRC suspension and I couldn’t be happier. It handles significantly better than the air suspension but is impressively soft in comfort mode. Another option that seems to be less aesthetically pleasing is the aluminum interior over the carbon fiber. I actually like it but I can definitely see where people would think it’s a downgrade.


zabds319, I also have the Akra exhaust and the sound is even more significant now that I’m catless. I actually like it but the Cete valve controller is awesome. I can open/close the exhaust valves at will and even with my catless DPs it’s as quiet a car as you could ask for with the valves closed.

‘16 was the first year for the facelift change for the U.S. not ‘15 but you’re not missing anything major with pre facelift models. Besides the seats, the B&O sound was an option I wanted. I didn’t want to need to change anything out to aftermarket to get decent sound. Other than that, stick with APR for the best off-the-shelf tune or wait for SRM to get their stuff going. If they fulfill their E85 tuning promise it will be game changing.

[Hofahome]

Hey buddy. Good to see you around here still and that you are looking into rs7’s. I know you really wanted one before. Hope AZ is treating you and your family well.
Few thoughts:

1. I have seen really clean examples of rs7’s +/- tune on here for sale. Maybe post a wtb in classifieds?

2. My old buddy Brian at Audi North Scottsdale is huge audi fan and good dude. He typically goes to cars and coffee. Since the new RS6/7 are coming out, he may know of some current RS7 owners looking to trade up. Tell him Hofa says hi if you run into him.

3. I just bought a really clean 18 S6 sight unseen from Dallas Auto exchange, which is kind of a higher end boutique dealership. Crockett is the owner and was easy to deal with. You could talk him up and see if he has one or could find you one.



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[GasMan]

Buy this now, it's a freaking steal.

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...131k-32k-Miles

[CR8LUCK]

Buy this now, it's a freaking steal.

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...131k-32k-Miles

Yeah, that’s a good deal! I’d even be ok with the seats for that price!


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[GasMan]

That said, I wouldn't buy without:

1) Bang & Olufsen. The clarity is mindblowing. If you've heard B&O in cheaper Audi models, it's not apples to apples. I can never live without a similar system now; it's ruined me.

2) Carbon optics. Just get it. I'm patching a full setup together as mine was not carbon optics and all said it's going to cost me roughly $5-6K between parts and install. Audi carbon fiber is just beautiful.

3) Comfort seats. Come at me sport seat bros. Just kidding. Comfort versus sport really depends on how you're going to use the car. I drive 120 miles round trip for work, and even on warm mornings, I use the heated seats and massage. On the way home, nothing makes up for a nice cold ass after your car has been basking in the sun all day. It's a total first world problem to pick between the two. I'd do some shady things to trade these out for blue stitched Alcantara sport seats, but the functionality for me is worth the tradeoff in appearance. The seats almost kept me from buying my car, but my buddy said "You don't look at the seats when you're driving, so..."

[GasMan]

Yeah, that’s a good deal! I’d even be ok with the seats for that price!


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I've had to talk myself off the ledge from buying that one and selling mine just to be over the carbon fiber optics retrofit lol

[gta7]

Get a ‘16 for sure reasons listed above.

Turbo a definite issue so get a warranty if you can.

Wouldn’t worry about B&O, the Bose system is pretty damn good.

I wouldn’t touch comfort seats ugly and not that comfortable. The standard RS7 seats are amazing!

Carbon optics is awesome looks great.

Love the ‘16 MMI with google. It’s better than my wife’s new Q7. Audi Apple Play isn’t that great.

[Chiromikey]

When it comes to seats, who are you more trying to impress...the random dude at your local cars & coffee or the valet who you’ll tip an extra $5 for saying “cool seats bro”...or your girl that says “you don’t even have to buy me dinner after that massage”?

[zabds319]

Curious on a few things and some comments. You mentioned going ceramic due to long term cost, but aren’t ceramics around $20k to replace? I have new pads on my non-ceramics and I do wish they bit a little harder but a $20k brake job was hard to swallow. I think my friend did his S8 pads and grind the rotors for like $500 or less, on his own.

The DRC is definitely a rougher ride than the air, but it isn’t bad in Comfort mode and the KW HAS makes a big difference.

I hated the lack of the exhaust tone on the S7 and love the RS7. I have I think the Dynamic exhaust, but it isn’t the Akrapovic. With catless DP and an X pipe it sounds great.

Not sure on the S seats comment. I had the same seats on the S7, RS7, and similar on a 2018 S4. I think they are great and I have a terrible back. Everyone has their preferences and I do wish they had ventilation for sure. Definitely more firm than the others, but for me it’s support not hard.


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The ceramic brakes will theoretically last forever, or at least as long as I have the car. So less concern there. And since I was buying used it was much less of a premium over the prestige, around 5k on comparable models for my shopping, but I also got a good deal. So I’m thinking I’ll save money in the long run. I could be wrong.

What’s the KW you mention?

The exhaust tone is amazing. It’s just much louder in the car than I expected.

The S and RS seats definitely seem to be different. RS are more firm in my opinion. Once again maybe I’m crazy but that’s what it seems to me.

[daytona rs7]

something to think about for ceramic brakes... i think they are rated for 100k miles, depending on usage.

resale value could take a hit since the next buyer assumes they will have to replace the brakes during their ownership. maybe its justt me, but if i was looking at a car with 70k or more miles and ceramic brakes, id lowball the owner simply because i know id have to invest 25k in maintance.

[CR8LUCK]

The ceramic brakes will theoretically last forever, or at least as long as I have the car. So less concern there. And since I was buying used it was much less of a premium over the prestige, around 5k on comparable models for my shopping, but I also got a good deal. So I’m thinking I’ll save money in the long run. I could be wrong.

What’s the KW you mention?

The exhaust tone is amazing. It’s just much louder in the car than I expected.

The S and RS seats definitely seem to be different. RS are more firm in my opinion. Once again maybe I’m crazy but that’s what it seems to me.

KW H.A.S. Are height adjustable springs that work with the DRC. You get the benefit of a smoother ride in either mode, and you can lower approximately 1”. While I didn’t mind the Dynamic mode and have grown up in lowered cars, it is far less jarring with the springs. Comfort becomes almost like air suspension in Dynamic mode where it feels planted but not very bumpy. Certainly not as smooth as air in comfort mode.

Eurocode has them on sale for $895, normally $1k.


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[dab]

Get a ‘16 for sure reasons listed above.

Turbo a definite issue so get a warranty if you can.

Wouldn’t worry about B&O, the Bose system is pretty damn good.

I wouldn’t touch comfort seats ugly and not that comfortable. The standard RS7 seats are amazing!

Carbon optics is awesome looks great.

Love the ‘16 MMI with google. It’s better than my wife’s new Q7. Audi Apple Play isn’t that great.

I loved the comfort seats in my s7 and the sport seats in the rs7 are okay, not more comfortable and I miss the massage and cool function in a black car. What I am finding is that you could adjust the bolsters in the comfort seats and I am really leaning on the console in the rs7. With the new rs6 and rs7 you will get the best of both worlds sport seats with cooling function.

the one issue is the oil separator, which is also a problem but AOA extended the warranty on that.

[zabds319]

KW H.A.S. Are height adjustable springs that work with the DRC. You get the benefit of a smoother ride in either mode, and you can lower approximately 1”. While I didn’t mind the Dynamic mode and have grown up in lowered cars, it is far less jarring with the springs. Comfort becomes almost like air suspension in Dynamic mode where it feels planted but not very bumpy. Certainly not as smooth as air in comfort mode.

Eurocode has them on sale for $895, normally $1k.


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Great to know and I’ll look into it. Thanks.

[camkelly]

I have an APR stage 2 RS7 on the market. 2015, ~40k miles. SRM intake, ArmyTrix Catback, Laser Jammers, APR DP, and more. Located in Philadelphia, PA. (panther black with carbon optics)

[JD S4]

Sent a couple PMs to owners here.

Thank you guys all for the education sessio.


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[JD S4]

Sent a couple PMs to owners here.

Thank you guys all for the education sessio.


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[Tdub]

I'm in Gilbert. If you want to see what some of the options look/sound like let me know. I"ve got every available option on my 2016. Some options I wouldn't buy without:

-B&O. I'm a audio guy so this was a must for me. The Bose really lacked the great high and low end sounds. To an average user this isn't a big deal
-Alcantara Headliner. If you're spending that much money on a luxury car you want it to look like one. It completely changes the interior of the car
-Carbon Optics package. I personally thought the chrome accents look cheap-ish and well Carbon Fiber
-Dynamic Package. I love the red brake calipers and sport exhaust sounds great even stock.

I'm probably going to tune it soon as well. Just undecided how far down the rabbit hole I wanna go.