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    Eurodyne Maestro 3.0T Map Editor

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    Hey everyone, the purpose of this thread is to shed some light on Eurodyne Maestro for the 3.0T. Even months after its been released there is very little information available online and from what i can tell, very few people using it at an amateur level.

    Many of you may have seen logs in the VCDS logs thread and read comments about how "unfinished" Eurodynes tunes are on the 3.0t. The logs that where posted where less than ideal and the cars where known to generally be slower than other tuned cars. The way I look at it, Eurodynes tunes where always designed to be base maps that where good enough to then be tailored to your car/setup/climate through Maestro.

    I am taking to this with a slow and cautious approach since I am by no means an expert and this car is my daily so I'm not chasing 1/4 mile records but I feel like others who are pushing the limits could use this to get the more extreme setups perfectly dialled in. Along with making changes to the expected maps you can also disable fault codes( if you get rid of your Cats or secondary air injection for example). I haven't changed much so far, only brought down full load lambda and disabled p0420 and 0430 from my gutted cats but it seems fairly straight forward. You can also manipulate the charge air cooling pump to command 100% duty, change the vehicle max speed limiter, change torque limiter by gear, change the rev limiter etc.

    One of my initial concerns was that when i flashed to stage 2 the process took 15-20 mins to flash and having to hook up a battery charger and wait that long every time i wanted to make a change to my maps would be very annoying. When I made changes to my full load enrichment map the updated map was flashed to the car in around 1min 20 seconds. This will be great when I take my car to the drag strip and can do repeated logs and adjustments from pass to pass.

    I will update this post as I play around with the program and learn more. If anyone is familiar with tuning and can offer advice I already have a few questions about some of the maps but I will email Eurodyne to ask them to update the map descriptions when they get a chance too.

    Maestro.jpg

    The photo doesnt allow me to show the full map names so ive listed them as well,

    diagnostics:
    ---- Fault codes OBD2 Failure class 1

    Ignition timing:
    ---- Max allowable EGT for spark retard control

    Fuelling:
    ---- Temperature to activate the catalyst overheating controller
    ---- Temperature setpoint of the catalyst overheating controller
    ---- Maximum exhaust gas temperature Above which LSH switched off
    ---- Maximum threshold for exhaust gas temperatures at the lambda sensor downstream catalyst
    ---- Maximum temperature of the catalyst to carry out the plausibility test
    ---- Maximum threshold for modelled catalyst temperature under dynamic conditions
    ---- Lambda map for interpolation on ignition angle
    ---- Lambda full load enrichment
    ---- Fuel pressure setpoint

    Limiters:
    ---- Vehicle speed limiter, km/hr
    ---- Rev limiter
    ---- Rev limiter 2
    ---- Maximum reference indicated engine torque
    ---- Maximum allowed torque at clutch
    ---- Maximum duty for intercooler coolant pump
    ---- Intercooler pump duty limiter
    ---- Minimum duty for intercooler coolant pump

    Timing:
    ---- Basic minimum ignition angle
    ---- Ignition timing (reference) cam pos 1
    ---- Ignition timing (reference) cam pos 2
    ---- Ignition timing (reference) cam pos 3

    Torque control:
    ---- Supercharger basic volume flow
    ---- Maximum intake air of the engine at standardized ambient pressure for different valve lifts
    ---- Maximum intake manifold pressure for MAF_SP limitation (for engine protection)
    ---- Maximum allowed pressure MAP for allow load tps check with RFP controller
    ---- Limitation of supercharger PQ
    ---- Setpoint mass air flow depending on slow torque setpoint
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    So like an open source for an Eurodyne ?


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    I too am using Eurodyne maestro but I’m protuned. I would love to learn but I didn’t want to risk anything.

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    Please keep us updated. Great thread. Im interested tosee what maps theyve unlocked. Can you screenshot all the available tabs

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    Please keep us updated. Great thread. Im interested tosee what maps theyve unlocked. Can you screenshot all the available tabs

    Mike
    I was curious of that before unlocking maestro as well ... I attached a photo of the main page in maestro, all of the tabs/maps are on the left but there is no way i have found to change the size of that box and allow you guys to see the full map descriptions. I have added the maps as a list to the original post. If you want a screenshot of any of those particular maps let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeyshok View Post
    I was curious of that before unlocking maestro as well ... I attached a photo of the main page in maestro, all of the tabs/maps are on the left but there is no way i have found to change the size of that box and allow you guys to see the full map descriptions. I have added the maps as a list to the original post. If you want a screenshot of any of those particular maps let me know.
    Thanks again. Do you see anything in the timing maos for timing offset tables in connection to iat. Oem retards timing at 60c i believe. Several tuners modify this iat protection so you dont hit reduced timing tables at the 1/4 mile track. Wondering if you see that.
    Thanks
    Mike

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    12.72 @ 108.85mph - 93 octane - +1565DA - Bone Stock
    11.68 @ 117mph - e30 octane - (-945DA) - jb4 only

    2013 Audi S5 DSG - Unitronic ECU & 034 TCU, 3.17pr
    11.07 at 123.62mph - draggy - 93 octane - (-407ft DA)
    Gone-
    '10 A4 Avant - '13 S5 #1 -- '16 A6 -- '15 S4 -- '09 A4 -- '04 S4 -- '06 A4 -- '03 A4 -- '00 A4

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    Dual Pulley -
    (187.3mm Crank pulley - ECS Tuning)
    (57.50mm SC top pulley - IE/ECS tuning)
    (combined ratio 3.256)

    Eurodyne stage 2 and Maestro tune

    AWE ColdFront Heat Exchanger

    AWE coldfront coolant reservoir

    1 stage colder NGK plugs (BKR9EIX)

    CF ECS tuning Intake pipe with K&N filter

    Removed exhaust resonator installed Xpipe

    Upgraded clutch/flywheel

    P3 Gauge with trackpack and analog boost sensor

    ----Hey everyone, I am working on all of the above and I need a tune file to run the car safely, properly and still make great power. I've read through the thread and still am unsure on files etc. any insight would be greatly appreciated

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by jason bouchard View Post
    2014 Audi S5 6-speed

    Dual Pulley -
    (187.3mm Crank pulley - ECS Tuning)
    (57.50mm SC top pulley - IE/ECS tuning)
    (combined ratio 3.256)

    Eurodyne stage 2 and Maestro tune

    AWE ColdFront Heat Exchanger

    AWE coldfront coolant reservoir

    1 stage colder NGK plugs (BKR9EIX)

    CF ECS tuning Intake pipe with K&N filter

    Removed exhaust resonator installed Xpipe

    Upgraded clutch/flywheel

    P3 Gauge with trackpack and analog boost sensor

    ----Hey everyone, I am working on all of the above and I need a tune file to run the car safely, properly and still make great power. I've read through the thread and still am unsure on files etc. any insight would be greatly appreciated

    Thanks
    Jay

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    if you want a turn-key tune, you might be better of with some of the vendors such as 034, EPL, APR etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastboatster View Post
    if you want a turn-key tune, you might be better of with some of the vendors such as 034, EPL, APR etc
    I liked the aspect of tuning at home. I already have the Maestro suite and dont want to give up on it and plunk down another $1000+ for a different software. Any other ideas?

    Ty
    2014 S5 6-Speed -dual pulley 187/57.5 ( PR 3.25) | Eurodyne Maestro tune| AWE coldfront HX | AWE coldfront upgraded reservoir | CF ECS tuning Intake pipe with K&N filter | JHM racepipes | ECS 2.5in Valved exhaust | SPEC stage 3+ clutch | Clutchmasters 23lbs AM singlemass flywheel | P3 Gauge w/ trackpack + analog boost sensor | 1 stage colder NGK plugs (BKR9EIX)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason bouchard View Post
    I liked the aspect of tuning at home. I already have the Maestro suite and dont want to give up on it and plunk down another $1000+ for a different software. Any other ideas?

    Ty
    I like selftunung idea as much as the next guy, however it seems that Maestro's choice of maps is very limited. That shouldnt be a problem unless they don't allow to add your own maps if you know their addresses. If that's not the case then it might not be too useable. I originally wanted to use PCM flash but it has been stuck in shipping phase for nearly 3 months now. I got eurodyne stg1 but probably should have went with mpi v2 from hp tuners and try to do stage 1 myself using pointers from nefmoto and hp tuners forum.

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