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    My Thoughts- Macan S vs SQ5 (and a bit of S6)

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    Many years ago I joined this forum when I bought my 2010 S4. Fast forward to now, and I'm shopping for a new (but used) car again, and thinking of picking up another Audi. Having a family now, I've been trying to find something sport, and fun, that I can still pack a kid or two in, and fit suitcases etc. I also want to be able to put adults in back without it being too small. Juggling price range for year models avail etc I'd narrowed my search to a 16/17 SQ5, 16 S6, and was considering a 16 Macan S as well. I'm still debating between the SQ5, and S6 (though leaning towards the SQ5), but I've dropped the Macan from the pack, and figured I'd provide my thoughts as to why. It's been talked about before, but as when I was in my research phase, I read every post I could given that everyones thoughts on the matter are totally subjective.

    When I drove the SQ5, my most immediate thought was how it sounded so damn good! My S4 didn't even sound that good, stock. Before taking it for a drive I popped the hatch to check out the cargo space... it was pretty good given the overall size of the vehicle. I walked around and got into the back seat, and I was really impressed! I'm not a nimble little dude, I'm a big guy, and I slid right in with ease and was quite comfortable. Being in Texas, noting that the rear AC vents seemed to blow pretty well was a plus also. Getting back in the driver seat, I put it in gear and headed out of the parking lot. First off... I was again impressed by the SQ5 as I accelerated down the street- it didn't quite feel as nimble as a car, and the fact that you're riding high isn't hidden from the overall experience, but the ease at which the car picked up speed makes it feel like it has quite a bit more power than it really does. Add to this that the exhaust note picks up even more, and I was already more impressed than I thought I'd be. Shifting was quick, and crips. There was still that burble, or fart sound if you will that I was used to in my S4. Taking turns, for being a small SUV, were still quite impressive. What really did it for me was cruising down the highway at 65mph... even hitting the gas at that speeds still seemed to leave plenty of grunt and get up bringing me to 90mph with relative ease. In the end, the only thing that I didn't particularly care for is the seats. Like I said, I'm a big guy...the bolsters left me feeling like the seat was a bit tight, and ultimately I wanted to hang my leg over the bolster the entire time which I believe might become uncomfortable over time. I also didn't test the B&O Stereo, but whether I like it or not, thats something thats easily tweaked. Bonus points also go the SQ5 for the adjustable suspension. I like being able to lift it up a bit for minor off road use (I hate getting stuck in traffic, and I sure will drive through the grass over to the access road- good or bad, don't hate me for it! It's pretty common here given the amount of trucks we have on the road). Past that, the one thing I wish Audi had done with the SQ5 is make it slightly more aggressive looking...it still looks so similar to the Q5, that it reminds me still of something I'd get my wife, vs something for myself- that said, I know thats not part of Audi's styling.

    Even though it's not the main point of this post, I'll also say I drove an S6 immediately following the SQ5. I expected to be more impressed with the S6, in comparison, but I wasn't. The S6 immediately felt like a much larger vehicle, and that nimble, fun, attitude was lost. I did like the seats quite a bit more, and, when I hit the gas, all that power came pouring in, which is quite seductive in itself. I haven't taken the S6 off my list yet...but given the SQ5, dollar for dollar, would be newer, have lower miles, and still be cheaper than what I'd find in an S6, I'm leaning towards the SQ5. I'll have to drive them for longer before really settling one way or another.

    The day after all of this I drove a Macan S. Everything I'd read told me it was comparable, but has less space, and drives better than an SQ5. Well... true-ish. The rear hatch space is considerably less, though most of it is due to height, which you'd have to take into account how often you'd stack things to the ceiling to use that extra space anyway. The rear seating is where things started to fall apart fast. I climbed in...awkwardly, and my head was already against the roof. I had leg room, and wasn't bumping the seat in front of me with my knees, but there was something about the angle needed to get in and out that remained awkward. I even tried it again to see if I just needed to come at it from a different angle. Still awkward. Sitting in the drivers seat I immediately understood the difference between the two cars... it's so true, the Macan feels almost like you're still in a car, but slightly higher off the ground. The buttons all over the console just about made me ill, but I wanted to see how it drove, so I hung in there. Putting it in gear and pulling out of the lot I can immediately say that it felt more anemic, and lacking in grunt than the SQ5. Thats also not just a statement in sound (which it was also lacking), but it clearly felt like it had less get up and go. Does it really? Is it really slower? I don't know...but my perception based on how it felt was clear. I got a bit more aggressive with the throttle expecting perhaps I just needed to get it to downshift more to take off....no... I was still left unimpressed. Now... taking turns is certainly where the Macan stands out... like I said, it feels more like a car, and is built as such, vs the SQ5 still feels more like a small SUV. While it does drive more like a car, which one could perceive as "better" or more fun, the lack of power, and sweet sound, left me feeling very "meh...". My guess is a good tune could really wake the Macan up (ok... I know it would...), but, since the Macan is already more expensive than the SQ5, even if I was willing to ignore the back seat, and button hell on the center console, I still wouldn't do it. The PDK is clearly an awesome transmission btw...but... the 8 speed in the SQ5 performed with top marks, and wouldn't sway me away from the SQ5 at all.

    Hopefully my short little synopsis is helpful to folks who are doing their own comparison. I welcome any feedback you guys might have as well! Cheers!
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    Thanks for the write up, I can't justify the up cost of the Macan. I have had Audis for the last 10 years and miss my S4. With that said I have kept my wife in Q5's for the las t 10 years and will say the gen 1 is the better of the bunch IMO. I drive the gen 2 SQ5 and I'm not a fan of the turbo. The B8.5 is one of the best platforms out there and regrettably I am now looking for a used S4 to keep as a weekend driver. The B8.5 SQ5 is a beast and I think your going to be happy with your choice.
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    Great post. Agree

    We have both. I have a 16 sq5 that I bought cpo. My wife has a '18 macan s. I am on a road trip with the family right now and we took the macan. Some amazing roads on this trip out by the Oregon coast.

    You have to put your foot into the macan before it wakes up. Sport mode helps but even then the b8.5 sq5 just feels far more eager and fun. The macan has the edge in terms of handling, especially when pushing. It has significantly more rear bias and you can tell. Also a few surprises.
    - it rides much better (standard steel springs)
    - it is quieter -- less road noise
    - if you deactivate the fake noise (which I have to admit I love) in the sq5 it has less engine noise than the macan

    Oh and the Audi appears to get better gas mileage by a bit.

    The tunability of the macan unfortunately doesn't help in terms of our biggest beef. Yes you can up power and torque significantly but it makes the dead spot even worse. Especially around town. The macan revs out nicely and can really move when pushing.

    Both great. The b8.5 sq5 is a used performance bargain at the moment I think.

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    I can so relate to this. I drive a c7 S6, although i should note that it’s stage 3 with a little over 600awhp. Previously I had a stage 2 b8 s4. A while back I had a b5 s4 with tial 770 turbos, and prior to that I had a b5 a4 with a gt2871rs turbo. Needless to say, I like my Audis :).
    We just ended our long search for an suv for my wife. She has had an Acura MDX for the last 7 years. Wanted something a bit smaller and sportier. We started with a search for a Macan S. Found one that met all the criteria and went to see it in person. Sat in it, opened the hatch, and we left. Didn’t even drive it. Just too damn small to be even called an SUV. We have two kids and while we no longer need to haul around strollers and big car seats we still want to be able to go on small family trips. The Macan is not the car for that. I’d call it more of a “commuter suv” for a single driver or for a couple without kids having an suv.

    We then jumped onto exploring the Mercedes GLC300. Test drove two. The interior has some appealing features and touches. Other than that, it felt gutless and also quite small especially in the front area where the driver and passenger are. It just felt like I was too close to the dash for some reason. So we passed on that as well.

    That is when my wife all of a sudden came to her senses and saw the potential in the b8.5 q5. At first she was saying that the 2.0t would be just fine for her. We both drove it and we knew that will not do. We drove the 3.0t and it felt adequate and more than enough for her needs but I knew that since I’ll be driving the car on trips and other occasions it will be tuned. I’m more than familiar with the 3.0 supercharged engine and I’ve always considered it a solid one without any real issues and good potential to make decent power. We also test drove a 2017 sq5 from the same dealer. It felt noticeably faster and the exhaust was definitely deeper. That appealed to me. My wife wasn’t all that impressed. I even asked on this forum about opinions and suggestions. We ended up with a 3.0t q5 with the s-line package so we still have the sport seats and every option you can put on this car for $8k less than the sq5. I just had it flashed with a stage 1 tune for $750 and I feel like it’s at least as fast, if not faster, as the sq5. It’s still just a q5 but it really depends on what you want out of it.

    Now if I have to compare it to my s6, I’m not sure how I’d even go about that. Let’s start with cargo area. The s6 actually has a damn large trunk. I am pretty sure I can fit more luggage in the s6 trunk than the q5.
    My s6 has the air suspension but it’s lowered along with sway bars. In dynamic mode it handles undeniably better than the q5. For a car it’s size it can definitely be pushed around corners hard. In comfort mode and also when stock it felt a lot more floaty and like a big car.
    Comfort on long trips - the s6 takes it with its seats and air ride when put on comfort mode. I’d have no problem driving it across the county. Don’t get me wrong though, the q5 is also pretty good with the sport seats. The side support is definitely nice.
    Rear leg room is similar between the two. I’m 6’1” and have my seat almost all the way back when I drive just about any car. It just just about impossible for anyone to sit behind me in my S4. The S6 has enough room for an average adult to see comfortably in the back. It’s very similar to how much leg room is in the q5.

    I’m not sure what else to compare. Least important but I’ll mention it. S6 - 21mpg on highway only, 16mpg mixed driving. Q5 - 23mpg highway only, 18mpg mixed. These are numbers I am seeing, not sticker numbers.


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    Thanks guys! Appreciate the replies.

    Glad to see my thoughts on a relatively short drive match those of actual owners. It's also funny to see, like me, the S4 was a popular stepping stone at some point.

    I also appreciate the add'l info on the S6. I realize they are hard to compare, and really not in the same class - I simply know they are fun, and both provide the extra space I'd need. I'm coming fresh off of two corvettes, both C6 Grand Sports, one was a Heads / Cam build, the other was Supercharged, then a CTSV I upgraded the pulley on, did full exhaust etc. I love power! It's been hard for me to find a family hauler that is still fun, but not too obnoxious in one way or another for the Mrs. to enjoy it on a road trip. My first attempt was a RR Sport 5.0...but for the money, I'm just not happy with it. I've come to realize now I need to just separate my fun car, from my daily family car, but still have the family car not be boring. Aaaaaand here I am. By the way, before I hurt any feelings, I don't mean to say the S6 or SQ5 can't be real fun, hell, I already know I'll do a Stage 2 setup, but for me that likely means another Gen 1 Camaro, or some type of American Muscle.

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    I just went through your exact same debate.

    I was coming out of switching daily drivers between a 2014 A6 and 2016 RS7 and wanted to combine both cars into one DD.

    My top contenders were 2018 S6, 2019 SQ5 or 2016-2019 Macan GTS / S

    The S6 was almost out of the running right away due to the fact its on same C7.5 platform as were my current DDs. I wanted something 'different' to play with and hence considering the compact SUV market.

    I had many Q5 as loaners and test driven SQ5 and Macan Turbo (2016) and just recently the 2019 Macan S.

    I ended up with a 2019 SQ5 and here are some reasons why:

    I really tried to love the macan - but the interior and its outdated console was also close to an instant deal breaker. The Macan to me was exactly as you and others described - a higher riding sedan. It was very claustrophobic to me in the cabin - especially with that long @ss shifter right there, and buttons clustering up the center. To me a Macan tries to combine many things into one car - and does non of them particularly WELL IMHO. I also echo this posters sentiments exactly on the Macan and the GLC:

    Quote Originally Posted by 97B518TQM View Post
    We started with a search for a Macan S. Found one that met all the criteria and went to see it in person. Sat in it, opened the hatch, and we left. Didn’t even drive it. Just too damn small to be even called an SUV. We have two kids and while we no longer need to haul around strollers and big car seats we still want to be able to go on small family trips. The Macan is not the car for that. I’d call it more of a “commuter suv” for a single driver or for a couple without kids having an suv.

    We then jumped onto exploring the Mercedes GLC300. Test drove two. The interior has some appealing features and touches. Other than that, it felt gutless and also quite small especially in the front area where the driver and passenger are. It just felt like I was too close to the dash for some reason. So we passed on that as well.

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    I drove the sq5 and new Macan S back to back several weeks ago - and where the macan shined over the SQ5 on a TEST DRIVE was driving dynamics (felt sportier), and the PDK transmission worked great with the 3.0 engine. But for a daily - that sportiness would grow old on me quick as I put on to the tune of 15-20K miles a year.

    Also - somehow the Macan 'S' feels less special then an 'SQ5'. To me it feels like a plain Macan - and there are tons of them running around the city. The SQ5 has myriad of options and ways to spec it that set it apart from the regular Q line that I appreciate - flat bottom wheel, unique color choices (Quantum Gray FTW!), Quilted Leather seats, Different choice of OEM wheels, More aggressive front/rear bumpers, Carbon Interior options, etc.

    ALSO another huge sidenote is I found the AC on the macan incredibly weak - and that's a big no no in Phoenix, Arizona! I looked it up on forums and many owners tended to agree. SQ5 SHINES in terms of cooling capability especially with the optional cooled seats that I got. The rear seat room was also lacking in the Macan as I do have 2-4 passengers in the car time to time. The 2019 Macan S loaded with options to my liking is also nearing 80K new and no way I would spend that. I have also never fully been a fan of the macans rear end as the outgoing and previous versions just look goofy to me.

    The SQ5 at the end of the day offers best of all worlds as on air suspension + sports package it transforms from a comfortable cruiser to basically a sports wagon when in Dynamic Mode. I think you will be very happy going into that from an S4 as I previously had a 2013 S4 and I will agree that that car was hands down the best all around daily driver car I have ever owned.

    For now the SQ is a great departure from owning many sporty sedans over the years - and hopefully will stand up to rigors of daily use spectacularly over time.

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    In agreement with all of the above.

    When I sold my 911 I shopped a Macan S against the Q5 3.0T when I went looking and choose the Q5. I could not notice any real difference for normal driving. The price difference was close to 25K and I just did not feel the Macan was worth that extra.

    Found a Sepang blue Q5 3.0T with Tech pack, s-line, Black optics, Sport package and tow package, as close to an SQ5 as a Q5 can get, so I bought that instead of the Macan S.

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    Have a new black SQ5 as a loaner from dealer, it really looks like a Macan(from a distance). Porsche is indeed more sculpted.

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    They both are built on the same platform but the Macan looks smaller for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arjun90 View Post
    They both are built on the same platform but the Macan looks smaller for some reason.
    Height, and the way the rear slopes downward...it makes a substantial difference. Also, the Macan is wider, which enhances the perception of it being shorter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXS4 View Post
    Height, and the way the rear slopes downward...it makes a substantial difference. Also, the Macan is wider, which enhances the perception of it being shorter.
    I resemble that statement
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    That is true, I always see the Macan being much shorter than the Q5

    Quote Originally Posted by ATXS4 View Post
    Height, and the way the rear slopes downward...it makes a substantial difference. Also, the Macan is wider, which enhances the perception of it being shorter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eflight View Post
    In agreement with all of the above.

    When I sold my 911 I shopped a Macan S against the Q5 3.0T when I went looking and choose the Q5. I could not notice any real difference for normal driving. The price difference was close to 25K and I just did not feel the Macan was worth that extra.

    Found a Sepang blue Q5 3.0T with Tech pack, s-line, Black optics, Sport package and tow package, as close to an SQ5 as a Q5 can get, so I bought that instead of the Macan S.
    And I am finding that it is ridiculously easy to go from the under tuned 272 hp S-Line 3.0TFSI engine to dual pulley stage 2 and add about 200 hp! At least 450 whp on 93 pump gas, maybe as much as 480. Just pulleys and tune, basically, get you to low to mid 12s.
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    I drove a Macan Turbo and with 400hp it had lots of power as well as great handling. Clearly the best SUV I ever drove.

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    Thanks for your insight. The wife and I are in the market for a used small SUV. Being a longtime VW/Audi guy, I want an SQ5. She wants a Macan. I've already test drove an SQ5 and agree with everything you said about it. Gonna have to show her your write up on the Macan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXS4 View Post
    Bonus points also go the SQ5 for the adjustable suspension. I like being able to lift it up a bit for minor off road use (I hate getting stuck in traffic, and I sure will drive through the grass over to the access road- good or bad, don't hate me for it! It's pretty common here given the amount of trucks we have on the road).
    Not that it's too big of a deal, but the '16 and '17 that you are looking at only have adjustable dampeners and not ride height. The '18 was the first year it was height adjustable if I'm not mistaken. The SQ5 does have the same height as the Q5 in the '16 and '17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha-boy View Post
    Thanks for your insight. The wife and I are in the market for a used small SUV. Being a longtime VW/Audi guy, I want an SQ5. She wants a Macan. I've already test drove an SQ5 and agree with everything you said about it. Gonna have to show her your write up on the Macan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD S4 View Post
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    Yeah maybe I should rethink my strategy!🤔

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha-boy View Post
    Yeah maybe I should rethink my strategy!🤔
    Just got back from a 500 mile road trip this last week in my wife's Macan S. Awesome road trip vehicle. Far better than the SQ5 would have been (ride comfort and noise in particular). Cruises at 90+ effortlessly. Handles awesome. Feels more RWD (because it is). In other words, it's hard to go wrong with the choice. If she wants a Macan get a Macan ;)

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    I love objective threads like this, gives people some insight on what they may prefer in a car, but at the same time people could be bias towards one or another. Being a Macan s owner for almost 4 years, i know the car very well. On the flip side, just picked up a SQ5 sight unseen. I often refer to the macan as the best overall car i have ever owned. After i spend more time with the sq and get comfortable with it, i will post my own opinions between the 2. 1rst initial impression is the macan 18 way seats and seating position is tough to beat, and the sq fell short at the start.... more to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Chris View Post
    Not that it's too big of a deal, but the '16 and '17 that you are looking at only have adjustable dampeners and not ride height. The '18 was the first year it was height adjustable if I'm not mistaken. The SQ5 does have the same height as the Q5 in the '16 and '17.
    Actually, the SQ5 didn't even have adaptive dampers in 16/17. Those were just an option on the Premium Plus 3.0 Q5.
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    On average, the B8/B8.5 SQ5 is more reliable than the Macan. The Macan has lots of center-diff and transmission issues. I am not sure if the B9 SQ5 has these same issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S4'ed View Post
    On average, the B8/B8.5 SQ5 is more reliable than the Macan. The Macan has lots of center-diff and transmission issues. I am not sure if the B9 SQ5 has these same issues.
    And given the difference in price, the already quicker supercharged 3.0 Q/SQ5 (compared to the Macan S) can be made a lot faster for a relatively small investment. Simple pulley and tune upgrades for ECU and TCU transform the car, as in deep into the low 12 second quarter or even high 11 second range. The Macan S is not even in the same ball park. Yes, you can bump up power on the Macan, but you are starting at a much higher price and the car is heavier and has less cargo space. A 450-480 bhp Q/SQ can put a stock Macan Turbo in the rear view mirror. You'd have to add the Performance Package to the Macan Turbo at a total cost of what . . . $75,000, to keep up.

    Handling is largely a matter of springs, shocks, swaybars and tires. All are easily upgraded, as the "bones" of both cars are the same. One of the benefits of the Audi version (same platform), IMHO, is the more supple ride of the Audi. But that is easily remedied at reasonable cost if one wants deeper cornering and braking limits.

    Don't get me wrong, there is a lot to be said for the Macan in its various iterations. But, the price of entry is steep, and the performance gap either does not exist or can be easily closed for a very modest investment in the SQ/Q5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSq5 View Post
    And given the difference in price, the already quicker supercharged 3.0 Q/SQ5 (compared to the Macan S) can be made a lot faster for a relatively small investment. Simple pulley and tune upgrades for ECU and TCU transform the car, as in deep into the low 12 second quarter or even high 11 second range. The Macan S is not even in the same ball park. Yes, you can bump up power on the Macan, but you are starting at a much higher price and the car is heavier and has less cargo space. A 450-480 bhp Q/SQ can put a stock Macan Turbo in the rear view mirror. You'd have to add the Performance Package to the Macan Turbo at a total cost of what . . . $75,000, to keep up.

    Handling is largely a matter of springs, shocks, swaybars and tires. All are easily upgraded, as the "bones" of both cars are the same. One of the benefits of the Audi version (same platform), IMHO, is the more supple ride of the Audi. But that is easily remedied at reasonable cost if one wants deeper cornering and braking limits.

    Don't get me wrong, there is a lot to be said for the Macan in its various iterations. But, the price of entry is steep, and the performance gap either does not exist or can be easily closed for a very modest investment in the SQ/Q5.
    Disagree with a few pieces of this. We own both. I think both are great, though I'd grab the keys to the SQ for anything but a long road trip with not a lot of luggage.

    Agree 100% that power out of the box with the 3.0T is stronger than the Macan's 3.0 Turbo, though the spec sheet says that the Macan has a slight edge from a power to weight (hp and torque) POV.
    Also believe the transmission is better matched to the car. Probably the biggest surprise to me.

    Macan is a few hundred pounds lighter, not heavier.

    Agree Macan has more trouble with the transfer case. The torsen in the Audis is bulletproof and the transfer cases in Macans and Cayenne have been a trouble spot. Not a really tough one to rectify though. They screwed up venting.

    I'm excited to play around with a tune in the SQ. Have to say I was disappointed with a recent experience with a friend's tuned Macan. Doesn't work well with the transmission -- at all.

    Disagree you can match the Macan handling easily with the SQ. The Macan feels rear drive and actually rides and handles better than the SQ. A tough feat. I don't think there's anything I could do to the SQ that would truly match the macan in this department. Not that the SQ is bad, but it's stiffly sprung and is going to be fighting the Torsen in a way that the Macan isn't with the much stronger rear bias.
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    Thanks for the perspective. The tunability of the ZF8 is amazing. While it may not match the speed of dual clutch transmissions, it can be fine tuned in infinite ways to suit just about any driving conditions. I come from a manual transmission preference mindset, but the ZF8 is the best transmission of any automobile I’ve ever owned or driven from the standpoint of adaptability and versatility.
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    Odd. I saw 41xx for the macan s yesterday. That 3.6 in the turbo must be heavy ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottst View Post
    Odd. I saw 41xx for the macan s yesterday. That 3.6 in the turbo must be heavy ;)

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    I made a mistake on weight. I was looking at the towing capacity!
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    I'm on my second B8.5 SQ5 at 68K miles and I'm still loving it. With coil-overs, RSB, wider wheels and tires, this thing easily handles as well as if not better than the Macan. As for power, I'll take an SC over a turbo every day of the week. I may just wind up driving the wheels off this thing.
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    In 2015 Road and Track did a compare of the SQ5 to two other SUVs. One of the others was the 400 hp Macan Turbo. I tried to shoot photos of the data sheets. I hope these are legible. This was the source of my earlier posts about weight and Macan Turbo vs SQ5 data. This might have limited application to the Macan S, but I would not expect its performance to be better than the 400 hp 3.6L version.





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    Thanks for posting ^^. Amazing how close the SQ is to the Macan Turbo!

    This 3.0T feels seriously under-rated. Can't believe it's close to breaking into the 12s stock.
    '16 SQ5 ROW/BilsteinB8 CH-R 9s; 997.2 spasm 6spd; '18 Macan S. Many, many audis in the past...

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    The new 2020 Macan Turbo is coming with the 2.9 twin turbo (same engine and turbo setup as the RS5).
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