DSG Fluid Brand - Dou You Care?

[morris39]

I can get Pentosin, Febi, Motul, Fuchs, Gulf or Total (plus some "tune" brands). All are European (not surprising) and only the last 2 are refiners so the others are likely re-packagers.There is a considerable price difference (in Canada). I don't care apart from price but would prefer not to have words like "racing", "redline" or "moly" on the bottle.
Has anyone got a visual evaluation of the old fluid after 40k miles? How long does the fluid/filter change take in real time? 2 hours? I understand the fluid has to cool to a specific temp to get an accurate fill.

[MikTip]

Pentosin...

Fluid at 40k is lightly darker than new fluid...but this can vary...depending on your driving style...how many launch's...

Takes about an hour...filter is simple...depending on if your remove the battery or not.

I did the top fill method last time.

Temp is the gearbox...between 35-45C...if you have VCDS you can monitor the temp.

Excess fill will over-flow over the fill tube...so its pretty difficult to over-fill...

Allot of youtube videos out there on DSG fill

[railroader]

Ams-oil, I did the top fill also, I didnt waste my time with temps or any of that stuff I just drained, weighed and measured what came out and put the same back in. Works fine

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[markn1689]

Personally I would not do anything other than OEM. My DSG filter was pretty dirty after just 22k miles.

[1killera4]

I need to change mine. Im at 34k but have never launched the car. Im thinking it should be in pretty good shape. For those who have changed theirs have you noticed any difference in the shifting after the change?

[morris39]

What does "filter was pretty dirty" mean exactly? Particles adhering to the surface? Dark? How dark was the fluid?Was service on schedule?
Thanks for replying.

[MikTip]

Personally I would not do anything other than OEM. My DSG filter was pretty dirty after just 22k miles.

I did this with the 40k service....OEM Audi DSG oil is rather expensive...

Who makes the oil for Audi?

I went with Pentosin (who is OE supplier for many auto manufacturers) for the 80K...cost less than Audi labeled oil...fully synthetic...made in Germany.

Look at the label of the Audi Oil...Made in Mexico...

[TCHUN003]

I just did this service on Saturday with OEM DSG fluid. I bought 6 L, but needed less than 5. Pretty easy. My fluid didn't look too dark after 40k miles. I've launched the car probably less than 20 times. I did the haldex fluid flush at 35k miles and the fluid and filter were pretty clean as well.

[markn1689]

What does "filter was pretty dirty" mean exactly? Particles adhering to the surface? Dark? How dark was the fluid?Was service on schedule?
Thanks for replying.

here is a pic of another 15 with just 20k miles...

I forgot to ask him for the pics. Only saw it for 10 seconds. It was dirty. Not as dark as the guys in the picture- but close. I could see darker specs in the droplet of oil. I've launched the car maybe 30-40 times? Once I received the transmission too hot warning. This is over 4 years of ownership but only 22k miles. Car is garaged in SoCal and otherwise babied. No track use, but I'll rip it around every now and then. I'll send an email to my adviser and see if he still has the image..

heres the new filter


@mkTip Its just +/- a couple bucks per bottle. I would rather have the piece of mind that I went with factory spec.

[MikTip]

here is a pic of another 15 with just 20k miles...

I forgot to ask him for the pics. Only saw it for 10 seconds. It was dirty. Not as dark as the guys in the picture- but close. I could see darker specs in the droplet of oil. I've launched the car maybe 30-40 times? Once I received the transmission too hot warning. This is over 4 years of ownership but only 22k miles. Car is garaged in SoCal and otherwise babied. No track use, but I'll rip it around every now and then. I'll send an email to my adviser and see if he still has the image..

heres the new filter


@mkTip Its just +/- a couple bucks per bottle. I would rather have the piece of mind that I went with factory spec.

Thats the HALDEX not the DSG...

Only one place to get HALDEX oil from...

I get the "piece of mind" however its why I asked "who makes the DSG oil for Audi"?

NO oil is magic enough to prevent damage and or wear from excessive use....

[markn1689]

sorry here is my dsg filter pic from my adviser


@mkTip yeah yeah i get it. but if audi trusts those rapists and ms13 members to make my dsg fluid then I'm okay with it..

[MikTip]

sorry here is my dsg filter pic from my adviser

They all look like that...

Its from the clutch plate material...

You have a DSG tune?

http://www.unitedmotorsport.net/products/dq250-dsg/

[markn1689]

@mkTip no dsg tune. stock engine and trans.

[MikTip]

@mkTip no dsg tune. stock engine and trans.

DSG tune improves the DSG considerably!

A DSG tune includes improved clutch cooling and thermomangement.

https://www.ecodetuning.com/dq250-ds...ab-description

[MikTip]

https://www.goapr.com/products/tcu_u...dq250_mqb.html

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[MikTip]

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...1#post13449037

[morris39]

sorry here is my dsg filter pic from my adviser


@mkTip yeah yeah i get it. but if audi trusts those rapists and ms13 members to make my dsg fluid then I'm okay with it..

Thanks Mark, very useful. Filter dirt load (clutch material presumably) does not compare to that of motor oil filter load. Does this suggest to you that oil/filter change intervals should be shorter than the 40K mile recommendation by Audi?

[Iwantyourcar]

I went liquimoly. Also use their engine oil. Car shifts better than it did before I did the change (previously had OEM Audi fluid)


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[markn1689]

hey no problem.

To be honest it did seem to shift a little crisper. But I only put 20 miles on it after the service. I had to drop the car off at the storage garage in SanDiego. And then I flew back to Beijing where I've been working for the past year. I rest better knowing that she is in tip top condition.. But I am going to double check about the haldex filter. I would have preferred that it was done at the same time. Is the haldex filter included in the 35k service?

By the way the service adviser mentioned that the oil gets mucked up more when the temps get hot (or something like that)

[Coolrunning]

here is a pic of another 15 with just 20k miles...

I forgot to ask him for the pics. Only saw it for 10 seconds. It was dirty. Not as dark as the guys in the picture- but close. I could see darker specs in the droplet of oil. I've launched the car maybe 30-40 times? Once I received the transmission too hot warning. This is over 4 years of ownership but only 22k miles. Car is garaged in SoCal and otherwise babied. No track use, but I'll rip it around every now and then. I'll send an email to my adviser and see if he still has the image..

heres the new filter


@mkTip Its just +/- a couple bucks per bottle. I would rather have the piece of mind that I went with factory spec.

I’m drinking my coffee and eating some strawberries in the hotel restaurant quietly waking up. I’m reading through this forum and I say to myself “these pictures look identical to my haldex filter, how crazy!”.....because they are 😂 still waking up here folks lol.

I didn’t get a picture of my DSG filter and oil but I was told it was not bad for 20k miles and 4 years.

[markn1689]

I’m drinking my coffee and eating some strawberries in the hotel restaurant quietly waking up. I’m reading through this forum and I say to myself “these pictures look identical to my haldex filter, how crazy!”.....because they are 😂 still waking up here folks lol.

I didn’t get a picture of my DSG filter and oil but I was told it was not bad for 20k miles and 4 years.

hehe, we're bro's. also 4 years and 20k miles... are you glacier white as well :O

Did you have them perform the 35k service? Or did you ask for a DSG and Haldex service 'a la carte'?
I just had my 35k service done but I do not see mention of the Haldex filter or oil service.... :(

lol im in beijing so its 9 PM here. just a guy in beijing posting pics of your haldex filter. the internet is amazing XDDD

[morris39]

2015 S3 3 year service of the Borg Warner 4-wheel drive coupling (this is the correct name for the so called "Haldex") included a part called "dichtsatz OCQ-598-305". As best I can find, the word means seal in German . It was ~$50. No mention of an oil filter on the invoice or in the Factory Manuals Service Manual.Is there in fact an oil filter for MY15 and later? Can anyone confirm? Lots of conflicting info on the web.
Using the term Haldex can be confusing if it applies to couplings other than Borg-Warner.

[MikTip]

2015 S3 3 year service of the Borg Warner 4-wheel drive coupling (this is the correct name for the so called "Haldex") included a part called "dichtsatz OCQ-598-305". As best I can find, the word means seal in German . It was ~$50. No mention of an oil filter on the invoice or in the Factory Manuals Service Manual.Is there in fact an oil filter for MY15 and later? Can anyone confirm? Lots of conflicting info on the web.
Using the term Haldex can be confusing if it applies to couplings other than Borg-Warner.

Nomenclature...

BorgWarner acquired Haldex Traction AB division of Haldex Group in February 2011, making it the Europe branch of BorgWarner TTS. 'Haldex Traction AB' was a division of the Swedish manufacturing company Haldex AB. It specializes in the development and manufacture of intelligent all-wheel drive (AWD) systems. Since invention of Gen I in 1998, the company produced several generations of products licensed to and customized for some major automotive brands, that in turn have marketed Haldex Traction AWD under different names. On 17 December 2010, BorgWarner announced that it had signed an agreement to acquire the Traction Systems division of Haldex Group.[1] BorgWarner completed the acquisition of the Traction Systems division on 1 February 2011.[2] Haldex Traction Systems was incorporated in BorgWarner TorqTransfer Systems.[3]

https://www.haldex.com/en/North-America/

BorgWarner owns Haldex...



Original post was about DSG(gearbox) fluid...

Some how the BorgWarner/Haldex appeared...

Some people call it Haldex...same, same.

No filter on the BorgWarner/Haldex/Rear diff coupling except whats pictured on the pump.

[morris39]

Point taken. I did not clarify anything by mentioning the 4-wheel drive coupling. In my defense I brought this up thinking since someone else is confusing the coupling and the gearbox they might have found some clear answer. Audi lists B-W coupling and filter on their 2015 Maintenance Schedule so I am not alone. Agree, wrong forum.
In so far as calling something by an incorrect name that may lead to confusion. Yes? Maybe call it the ching-a-magic at the back of the drive thingie.