Changes to RS3 motor for 2019?

[MBRS3]

I was looking around online for information about the 2017/18 RS3 DAZA engine and found a Wikipedia article listing the 2019 RS3 as having a different "engine code" (DNWA instead of DAZA). Does this mean some changes were made to the RS3 motor to meet new emission regulations? Here's the info I found, all looks identical aside from the "engine code" and the RPM at which it makes peak torque:

RS 3 2.5 TFSI 2017–2018 2480 cc I5 DAZA 400 PS (294 kW; 395 hp) at 5,850–7,000 rpm 480 N⋅m (354 lbf⋅ft) at 1,700–5,850 rpm 4.1 s 280 km/h
(174 mph) 7-spd S tronic N/A

RS 3 2.5 TFSI 2019–present 2480 cc I5 DNWA 400 PS (294 kW; 395 hp) at 5,850–7,000 rpm 480 N⋅m (354 lbf⋅ft) at 1,950–5,850 rpm 4.1 s 280 km/h
(174 mph) 7-spd S tronic N/A


What do you guys think of this?

[robopp]

The max torque moved up 250RPM for the new engine too apparently.


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[S3DUDE]

Probably emissions re-tweaks

[BusStopF1]

As someone with a 2019 on order, I’ve been obsessively researching this the last week or so. Seems to be that they did tweak the engine in the E.U. to include an OPF, similar to the changes to the new R8 that now also includes an OPF (particulate filter). Checking YouTube, the performance seems to be pretty identical, but it does sound a little more muted with fewer pops and crackles.

Good news is that this find helped clarify something I hadn’t noticed, which is the different max torque RPM. The Audi USA site lists the old RPM torque range, suggesting the engine is the same as the 2017/18. Which would jive with news stories about the 2019 TTRS that debuted at the NY Auto Show recently being mechanically identical to the 2018.

Anyone who has taken delivery of a 2019 can help confirm this though. The sound at cold start should be pretty obviously different if it has the OPF.

[MBRS3]

As someone with a 2019 on order, I’ve been obsessively researching this the last week or so. Seems to be that they did tweak the engine in the E.U. to include an OPF, similar to the changes to the new R8 that now also includes an OPF (particulate filter). Checking YouTube, the performance seems to be pretty identical, but it does sound a little more muted with fewer pops and crackles.

Good news is that this find helped clarify something I hadn’t noticed, which is the different max torque RPM. The Audi USA site lists the old RPM torque range, suggesting the engine is the same as the 2017/18. Which would jive with news stories about the 2019 TTRS that debuted at the NY Auto Show recently being mechanically identical to the 2018.

Anyone who has taken delivery of a 2019 can help confirm this though. The sound at cold start should be pretty obviously different if it has the OPF.

Only EU spec RS3s will have the particulate filters, right? If that's the case then I can't imagine why they'd tweak anything for US spec RS3s

[Potatohead_RS3]

Only EU spec RS3s will have the particulate filters, right? If that's the case then I can't imagine why they'd tweak anything for US spec RS3s

I don’t think it has been clarified yet, need someone to get under one and take a peek.

[BusStopF1]

Yeah, the only thing that’s confirmed at this point is that they have the OPF in Germany (and presumably the rest of they E.U., but I haven’t found any evidence yet in the U.K. or other countries). I’m hoping all that’s out there indicates the U.S. gets the same engine as the 2018. My car should be at my dealer in the next week so hopefully can confirm first hand soon.

[MBRS3]

Yeah, the only thing that’s confirmed at this point is that they have the OPF in Germany (and presumably the rest of they E.U., but I haven’t found any evidence yet in the U.K. or other countries). I’m hoping all that’s out there indicates the U.S. gets the same engine as the 2018. My car should be at my dealer in the next week so hopefully can confirm first hand soon.

Congrats! Sounds like you will be one of the first people with a 2019. Please update when you receive the car! I'm very curious to see if the changes are just for EU or for all markets.

[BusStopF1]

Congrats! Sounds like you will be one of the first people with a 2019. Please update when you receive the car! I'm very curious to see if the changes are just for EU or for all markets.

Thanks! It’s certainly going to be the first thing I look at.

[mugenr]

One of the dealerships here recieved the first 2019 RS3 around here last week and the sales guy said he couldn't tell the difference between noise output from 2018 to 2019. Hopefully that's a good sign that we didn't get the Gas Particulate Filter and Pressure difference sender.

...but then again... sales people know shit.. right? lol

[BusStopF1]

Lol that’s good to know albeit still agonizing to not have a 100% confirmed answer. Still, it’s not like with OPF the car sounds like a Prius or anything from what I can tell from the videos out there, but I think it’d definitely be noticeable. So hoping we’re 99% sure the U.S. was spared...

[RS3TP]

Even if they do have the OPF, it doesn't sound like a big performance impact. The above stated torque differences are not material. I'm sure it will not be noticeable at all ... :)

[lalalaprise]

Even if they do have the OPF, it doesn't sound like a big performance impact. The above stated torque differences are not material. I'm sure it will not be noticeable at all ... :)

The sound is what makes this car. I watched the new R8 videos on YT and it sounds like junk. I'll be honest, 90% of the reason I bought an RS3 is for the sound. Some care more about that than others.

[BusStopF1]

The sound is what makes this car. I watched the new R8 videos on YT and it sounds like junk. I'll be honest, 90% of the reason I bought an RS3 is for the sound. Some care more about that than others.

Im definitely in the same boat. The sound is what I worry about the most. The are a few vids I’ve seen on YouTube that help give a sense of the sound. The first has a side by side comparison (albeit an unfair one) and the second is just solo. It’s not *horrible* per se but when the sound is a huge selling point, it’s a disappointment in my opinion.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=opqBJuPPXIY

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7hgg4DI0wuQ

[Lawrage]

I remember this same issue when I was looking at the RS3 Sedan and everyone was going on about how it sounded mute or not as good as the old hatchback did. 99% sure it will sound just as good as before.

[lalalaprise]

I remember this same issue when I was looking at the RS3 Sedan and everyone was going on about how it sounded mute or not as good as the old hatchback did. 99% sure it will sound just as good as before.

But people weren't wrong about that... the pre facelift RS3 sounds better. Dont get me wrong, the facelift sounds good but not nearly as gnarly as the previous gen

[seanix9]

But people weren't wrong about that... the pre facelift RS3 sounds better. Dont get me wrong, the facelift sounds good but not nearly as gnarly as the previous gen

Yes absolutely. PFL sounds way better than FL.
I can only imagine the 2019 model being further dulled down with the particulate filter. Then again that will be the norm moving forward




Current - 2018 RS3 Sedan
Past - 2016 RS3 SB

[mbar]

Yes absolutely. PFL sounds way better than FL.
I can only imagine the 2019 model being further dulled down with the particulate filter. Then again that will be the norm moving forward




Current - 2018 RS3 Sedan
Past - 2016 RS3 SB

Is the filter confirmed for 2019?

[BzzzBom]

Can someone please comment who has taken delivery?

[Baylorguy]

Nothing is confirmed. Let's wait until we have facts.

[Alessandro]

There is no OPF on North America Build cars.

[Velicos]

There is no OPF on North America Build cars.

Curious how you know this for sure?

[MBRS3]

Im definitely in the same boat. The sound is what I worry about the most. The are a few vids I’ve seen on YouTube that help give a sense of the sound. The first has a side by side comparison (albeit an unfair one) and the second is just solo. It’s not *horrible* per se but when the sound is a huge selling point, it’s a disappointment in my opinion.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=opqBJuPPXIY

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7hgg4DI0wuQ

Wow that really does sound terrible. Absolutely no cracks and pops anymore and it actually sounds kinda raspy at some points. I would imagine this makes the 17/18 RS3's even more desirable over in Europe now? Or does everyone have to get this particle filter fitted on any car in order to pass emission tests?

[BusStopF1]

I’m sure any pre-OPF cars will be more desirable, at least until aftermarket solutions come out, but my understanding is that you won’t be able to pass emissions if you remove OPF from a car sold with it. Not sure if you’ll have to retrofit cars with it... my guess would be no because it’s be really difficult to do, but who knows...

Also, I found this really interesting re: OPF/tuning on the new R8 performance:

The new R8 V10 Performance is an amazing car, I’m so many ways. But it’s so sad that the new European emission laws, kill the automakers to do what the want. The new R8 is 95db at loudest, compared to 108db to the pre-facelift. One of the most choking things, is that you can’t rev the car anymore, as it only goes to 3000rpm... yup you heard it right. No more pops and crackles when you wanna show off. This leave the after tuning market to pretty much explode the nearest time.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwrkBZzg...d=vx7qtqane8xe

[myrder]

Guess we will find out soon, but I am pretty sure US cars are unchanged.

[Jainuss]

Truly upsetting to hear. I just ordered my RS3 due in June and the sound was the number 1 reason I bought the RS3. Hope we get some good information before mine arrives, thanks for the information posted.

[Mongo84]

I'm hoping cost will hold them off from adding them to cars unless they are required for those markets. I sent a pm to the Audi customer person on the forums maybe they can help us.

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[Potatohead_RS3]

I can't believe a tech who PDI's one of these hasn't taken under-body pics for the forums yet

[Alessandro]

Curious how you know this for sure?

well cant quote the Name but he is sitting in Germany :). But as others have said first cars are arriving at the dealer very soon or are already here so i hope he is right as i am also getting one of those bad boys.

[Baylorguy]

I'm hoping cost will hold them off from adding them to cars unless they are required for those markets. I sent a pm to the Audi customer person on the forums maybe they can help us.

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Bingo. Assuming it didn't add significant inefficiencies to the production process, it wouldnt make sense for Audi to spend more money on a part that is not required. I am fairly confident US cars will not have them.

[mugenr]

Bingo. Assuming it didn't add significant inefficiencies to the production process, it wouldnt make sense for Audi to spend more money on a part that is not required. I am fairly confident US cars will not have them.

you never know. but I did some research a few months back. There are 2 different ECU versions. one that's LEV3 compliant for North America and one that is EU regulations compliant. Both are the same ECU model, but different code levels. So my hopes is that the US market cars won't have the OPFs.
Kind of the same thing as the US has different parts like Crash bar is different or like we don't have Start/Stop feature in the RS3s in the US, but other countries do.

My hope is still there!

[yaymitch]

Last week I did an Audi Experience event at COTA and we drove the 2019 RS3's and I couldn't tell any difference at all in the sound or performance from my 2018. I did really like the new TPM display which shows the values of PSI and Temp for each tire individually. Any performance car should have this feature.

[cseaman]

Last week I did an Audi Experience event at COTA and we drove the 2019 RS3's and I couldn't tell any difference at all in the sound or performance from my 2018. I did really like the new TPM display which shows the values of PSI and Temp for each tire individually. Any performance car should have this feature.

Thanks for a little info on that. I have a 2019 on order and noticed that direct TPMS is no longer an option, and just standard. Interested to see how this new TPMS is incorporated into the virtual dash.

[Potatohead_RS3]

I'd be very surprised the cars at COTA were 2019's. Most likely 2018's with Dynamic Plus package.

[mugenr]

Last week I did an Audi Experience event at COTA and we drove the 2019 RS3's and I couldn't tell any difference at all in the sound or performance from my 2018. I did really like the new TPM display which shows the values of PSI and Temp for each tire individually. Any performance car should have this feature.

Did the the cars at COTA have Carbon Ceramic Brakes or the steel ones?

[themotiffactory]

Any1 in Calgary looking to pick up an RS3 ??I got a panther black crystal interior red stitching scheduled to arrive May 11th that I'm thinking of getting out of. MSRP :$69600 CAD

Options: 8VMRWY - RS 3 2.5T quattro 7sp S tronic, WTH - Audi Sport Package for RS3 Sedan,
PPD - Technology Package, 6W9 - Without Front License Plate Holder, CRY - Crystal
Effect Paint, PC4 - Red Brake Calipers, 0P6 - Sport Exhaust System w/ Black Tips, 49V -
19inch 5-Arm-Rotor Design Wheel in Anthracite Finish, Audi Canada 1% loyalty rate
reduction (MY2013+), Wheel Locks & Mats, Lease/Finance
Acquisition Fee, Vehicle Preparation, Air Tax, Tire Tax, Audi Care
A8,R8,RS5,7,S6,7,8,TTRS.

Should look like this:

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[Mongo84]

Anyone close to riverside http://vidmails.com/v/Nrd3eply3i?

[0000 RS5]

Anyone close to riverside http://vidmails.com/v/Nrd3eply3i?

Close-ish

[BzzzBom]

Ask that diude to fire it up!

[allerum]

So far, as you can see in my intake thread, the DV and intake is completely different. It also looks like the throttle body and connections are different. I will get to the intercooler install later on and see if thats different. So there could be more differences like the intake that render current parts useless