When will the S5 get a facelift

[Shuga]

I know that the A4/S4 are set to get a facelift in 2020. When will the S5? I’m trying to wait out on the iPad screen lol

[abiley84]

2020.

https://www.motor1.com/news/306279/2...a5-spy-photos/

[heymoe]

2020.

https://www.motor1.com/news/306279/2...a5-spy-photos/

Doesn't look like the "iPad" is going away until the next gen would be my guess. Also it would be silly to put a honeycomb grill on the A/S5 as it would take away from the RS5 in my opinion.

[belzebutt]

Doesn't look like the "iPad" is going away until the next gen would be my guess. Also it would be silly to put a honeycomb grill on the A/S5 as it would take away from the RS5 in my opinion.

I think MYC changes never or almost never get a complete change of infotainment system, it's normally just cosmetic stuff, so I very much doubt they would switch to the new Android-based touch system just to do a complete redesign again a few years later. In the B8.5 however they changed the MMI but that wasn't a massive upgrade. To change to the new A7-like touch MMI would require changing the screen, all kinds of stuff under the hood, and making it all-touch would remove the need for knobs and buttons and would require bringing the screen closer (it's still there in the spy photos). It would affect the whole center console. Too much IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if they change some of the graphics.

I'm actually glad my S5 doesn't have the iPad. It's a fingerprint magnet, I really prefer not touching the screen and never having to clean it. The S5 screen is also in a much better location for displaying the map, you barely have to take your eyes off the road. It could be higher-res and slightly bigger, the graphics could be more minimalist, but that's about it. The new MMI adds more problems than it solves IMO, it's just not as good for practical reasons.

The exterior changes look minor, if you're a fan of the "striped" LED lights Audi is putting on the A7, Q8 etc. then you'll like it, I'm not a fan myself.

[heymoe]

I think MYC changes never or almost never get a complete change of infotainment system, it's normally just cosmetic stuff, so I very much doubt they would switch to the new Android-based touch system just to do a complete redesign again a few years later. In the B8.5 however they changed the MMI but that wasn't a massive upgrade. To change to the new A7-like touch MMI would require changing the screen, all kinds of stuff under the hood, and making it all-touch would remove the need for knobs and buttons and would require bringing the screen closer (it's still there in the spy photos). It would affect the whole center console. Too much IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if they change some of the graphics.

I'm actually glad my S5 doesn't have the iPad. It's a fingerprint magnet, I really prefer not touching the screen and never having to clean it. The S5 screen is also in a much better location for displaying the map, you barely have to take your eyes off the road. It could be higher-res and slightly bigger, the graphics could be more minimalist, but that's about it. The new MMI adds more problems than it solves IMO, it's just not as good for practical reasons.

The exterior changes look minor, if you're a fan of the "striped" LED lights Audi is putting on the A7, Q8 etc. then you'll like it, I'm not a fan myself.

Should be noted that by "iPad" I'm referring to the screen of the current B9 generation looking like they took an iPad and glued to the the dash and not integrated into the dash and/or not the new touch screen interfaces that are showing up in the new A6/7/8s etc..

[Shuga]

I think they’d be stupid to stick with the IPad look that’s “glued” on the dash. I thought the A4/S4 facelift was so post to get rid of it. I don’t see why they’d keep it in the A5/S5/RS5

[c99]

Should be noted that by "iPad" I'm referring to the screen of the current B9 generation looking like they took an iPad and glued to the the dash and not integrated into the dash and/or not the new touch screen interfaces that are showing up in the new A6/7/8s etc..

Look into the new Q3, you will see how A4/A5 screen and system will look, it isn't the same like in A6/A7.

[heymoe]

Look into the new Q3, you will see how A4/A5 screen and system will look, it isn't the same like in A6/A7.

Likely won't see that until the next full generation of the A4/A5 (B10). All signs seem to point to a mid-generation refresh as the next update for the A4/A5 (B9.5) which will likely keep the same stuck on "iPad" look of the current A4/A5s.

[c99]

Likely won't see that until the next full generation of the A4/A5 (B10). All signs seem to point to a mid-generation refresh as the next update for the A4/A5 (B9.5) which will likely keep the same stuck on "iPad" look of the current A4/A5s.

Yes, but there will be new MMI system with touchpad (the same system like in Q3 but in A4/A5 current Ipad design), also aircon operation will be the same, not like in A6/A7, I think.

[heymoe]

Yes, but there will be new MMI system with touchpad (the same system like in Q3 but in A4/A5 current Ipad design), also aircon operation will be the same, not like in A6/A7, I think.

I have not heard any information about the stuck on "iPad" getting a touchscreen in the upcoming A4/A5 refresh.

Being that I haven't seen any other Audi that has a touchscreen + physical controls for the MMI or MMI software that would support both control input types, I'm still inclined to think they won't add a touch screen until the next generation.

The UX of the MMI software in the new Q3 is the same as the top screen in the new A6/A7 and doens't look like there is any physical MMI control knob. They could remove the MMI knob from the A4/A5 but that would change the design of the center section plus the current MMI hardware / module (CPU, memory, etc..) the A4/A5 are using might not support the new MMI and the modules that work in the Q3, A6/A7, etc.. might not be compatible without changes to the wiring harness and what not. I don't know.. It could happen but seems like more changes then a refresh would allow in a way.

Ideally having both a touchscreen and physical controls would be great (best of both worlds) but they would have to create a MMI version that can support such a setup and it took them how many years of development for the new touchscreen only interface? Not sure if that would be possible in a year or s since they introduced the touch interface.

[heymoe]

Saw this article today about the upcoming A4 face-lift and it's the first article I've read that mentions that they are expecting Audi to redesign the interior to integrate the screen into the dash and move to a touchscreen but they had no interior photos of the test vehicle to verify. A previous article I read did have a photo of the test car where you could still see the stuck on "iPad". So, I'll happily admit to be wrong if they do put an updated touchscreen MMI like the Q3 into the A5 facel-lift. Only time will tell.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...hots-and-video

[jimmythetulip]

I suppose I need to test out the new touch-centered MMI before passing judgment, but at least in theory, I very much prefer having physical controls designed to allow control without looking at the screen (or looking as minimally as possible). I really don’t like the look of the new A6/7 MMI, but perhaps the functionality is a hidden gem.

[heymoe]

I suppose I need to test out the new touch-centered MMI before passing judgment, but at least in theory, I very much prefer having physical controls designed to allow control without looking at the screen (or looking as minimally as possible). I really don’t like the look of the new A6/7 MMI, but perhaps the functionality is a hidden gem.

Back in the day I thought having a touchscreen remote control for A/V setup at home would be a great idea but learned quickly it sucked not being able to control things without having to touch the screen to light it up and then look at the screen to pick and touch the correct virtual button each and every time. Now I'm suing a Harmony Hub with a companion remote that is all physical buttons and love it. Full control in a dark room without having to look at it.

I did sit and play with the new touchscreen MMI in a new A6 a while ago and thought the layout was good but once again you have to put more focus on making sure you're aiming for and touching the correct part of the screen. Things might get better with muscle memory after a while but who knows. Ideally I'd like to have both physical and touchscreen controls because there are things that a touchscreen just works better. That said, Audi posted a survey a few months ago for RS owners and one of the questions was something along the lines of how do you like to control the MMI and they did provide an option for both physical and touchscreen controls. So hopefully that means they are considering such a change in the future.

[laakness]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w0blM5YIzwo

They put honeycomb on them!

[ensorgumbs]

I’m so pissed bout this. Just got my car in Feb. lol

[Shuga]

Nope that’s absurd that they left the new stuck on iPad. I’ve been holding out. For nothing


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[heymoe]

So it looks like I was wrong. At least from the them putting a touchscreen + updated MMI into the face-lift. It's still a stuck on iPad though which I didn't think they would do a major redo of the interior to integrate the touchscreen into the dash.

Any ways, if they are going to roll out these changes in Europe starting September, I'm guessing the US will be able to start ordering them early 2020.

Now the question is when will they roll out these changes into the A5 models. It seems that normally the A4 models gets updated followed by the A5 about a year later so maybe in mid-2020 or as a 2021 model in the US? Thoughts?

I'm kind of interested in the mild-hybrid 48-volt system that they are putting on the V6s but not sure if it's worth waiting another year, well likely closer to 2 years for the RS5's, for the updates instead of taking the delivery of the one I already have ordered.

[Shuga]

Why would they do this? Why does the Q3 have a better looking Nav now? If you look at the brands they’re all moving away from the iPad stuck on screens. This was a huge mistake by Audi. I can tell you one person who will NOT be buy it.


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[shadowgooner19]

Wow, that is massively disappointing...

[Shuga]

Such a bad move on Audi’s part. What’s up with that door crease disappearing



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[superswiss]

Nope that’s absurd that they left the new stuck on iPad. I’ve been holding out. For nothing


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So it looks like I was wrong. At least from the them putting a touchscreen + updated MMI into the face-lift. It's still a stuck on iPad though which I didn't think they would do a major redo of the interior to integrate the touchscreen into the dash.

Why would they do this? Why does the Q3 have a better looking Nav now? If you look at the brands they’re all moving away from the iPad stuck on screens. This was a huge mistake by Audi. I can tell you one person who will NOT be buy it.


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The interior generally doesn't get fundamentally redesigned in the facelift. It was to be expected, that they would mostly update the software and the hardware. I think this one looks worse than before, because they had to move the display closer to the driver so the touchscreen can easily be reached. Total afterthought design. I don't mind the stuck on screens really. The facelifted C-Class and AMG GT still have it, but now it's a slimmer widescreen and looks much better than the previous form factor. I quite like the updated interior in my 2019 C63S Coupe, but what Audi has done here with the update looks kinda awful. The Q3 I believe was an all-new design, and the Q7 facelift is getting the dash from the Q8, so the MMI will be integrated, but for the B9, Audi couldn't lift an existing dash from a similar model and put it in the facelift. They would have had to design a completely new interior for the facelift, and as I said that generally doesn't happen. You'll have to wait for the B10 for a more cohesive design.

[Shuga]

The interior generally doesn't get fundamentally redesigned in the facelift. It was to be expected, that they would mostly update the software and the hardware. I think this one looks worse than before, because they had to move the display closer to the driver so the touchscreen can easily be reached. Total afterthought design. I don't mind the stuck on screens really. The facelifted C-Class and AMG GT still have it, but now it's a slimmer widescreen and looks much better than the previous form factor. I quite like the updated interior in my 2019 C63S Coupe, but what Audi has done here with the update looks kinda awful. The Q3 I believe was an all-new design, and the Q7 facelift is getting the dash from the Q8, so the MMI will be integrated, but for the B9, Audi couldn't lift an existing dash from a similar model and put it in the facelift. They would have had to design a completely new interior for the facelift, and as I said that generally doesn't happen. You'll have to wait for the B10 for a more cohesive design.

I’ve read reports that it was expected to be in dash. Yes obviously they don’t typically change the interior on facelifted vehicles but I thought they’d have more than two brain cells and see that these IPad stuck on Nav’s aren’t selling. It’s kept me personally from upgrading. I did look at the C and GLC they’re not as noticeable when you’re in the cars.

I don’t know what to do now...


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[belzebutt]

The interior generally doesn't get fundamentally redesigned in the facelift. It was to be expected, that they would mostly update the software and the hardware. I think this one looks worse than before, because they had to move the display closer to the driver so the touchscreen can easily be reached. Total afterthought design. I don't mind the stuck on screens really. The facelifted C-Class and AMG GT still have it, but now it's a slimmer widescreen and looks much better than the previous form factor. I quite like the updated interior in my 2019 C63S Coupe, but what Audi has done here with the update looks kinda awful. The Q3 I believe was an all-new design, and the Q7 facelift is getting the dash from the Q8, so the MMI will be integrated, but for the B9, Audi couldn't lift an existing dash from a similar model and put it in the facelift. They would have had to design a completely new interior for the facelift, and as I said that generally doesn't happen. You'll have to wait for the B10 for a more cohesive design.

I agree it's not a cohesive design, and where the previous "iPad" kind of fit with the rest, this one really doesn't seem part of the original design. Why couldn't they make the bezels smaller?

Worst part is, they add this piano black trim and some useless container in front of the cup holders, but they didn't even fix the main problem with the center console, which is the cup holder position too close to the HVAC controls.

[wwhan]

Also, the 2019 RS5 SB center console storage area is tiny and nearly useless... ..............the price of wireless charging?

[Senseless]

Uh, it's a week away from 2020 and not a hint of any 4 and 5 models for the US?

[LYKUNO]

Uh, it's a week away from 2020 and not a hint of any 4 and 5 models for the US?

Dec 10th Carscoops article about the RS5 coupe and Sportback coming refresh showing the 10.1" MMI screen is still attached (wart-like) to the top of the dash. Ugh! More pics and info at the preceding link.

[Shuga]

Dec 10th Carscoops article about the RS5 coupe and Sportback coming refresh showing the 10.1" MMI screen is still attached (wart-like) to the top of the dash. Ugh! More pics and info at the preceding link.

Its a shame, I started to really like the A5/S5 sportback again. Unfortunately with the (iPad) it’s horrible. I can’t deal with it. What bothers me even more, is that an Audi executive said that they will be incorporating the dual screen in the dash in every model. So this one will look extremely dated


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[Senseless]

That article refers to the upcoming RS5 refresh in Europe. Is it confirmed that the US will actually see 2020 A4, S4, A5 and S5 models at all?

[JohnEnglish]

That article refers to the upcoming RS5 refresh in Europe. Is it confirmed that the US will actually see 2020 A4, S4, A5 and S5 models at all?

Well yeah, the 2020 A4/5 families have been on the Audi Canada website for a little while. The refreshed RS5 will appear in late 2020 in North America; most likely as a 2021 model.