2020 S6/S7 officially announced

[Shuga]

RS5’s nav screen looks like an iPad that doesn’t even retract it’s awful. The S7’s is worth it just for that. But that being said. The Avant is the real prize here

[F0UR PL4Y]

@ Audi: No v8, no care.

[Brooklyn]

lmao - you guys are hilarious. Quite a few of you will indeed go buy it when it comes, and the rest of you will be kicking yourselves when the inevitable turbo failure hits you on the 4.0t. We get the same complaints with every new Audi model and yet, no mass exodus each time. Not sure which direction I'm heading in when the time comes to replace my 2013, but I will certainly consider the new model when the time comes. I'm willing to bet it surpasses the C7 in every aspect except engine noise.

[Frenetic]

One thing that does concern me about these cars: the mild hybrid system and electric compressor.

It just sounds new and complex, with unknown long-term reliability. Also, I wonder if these cars will lose the spare tire as a result of these new additions?

That’s one thing the RS5 has over S6/S7 is that it doesn’t have that third turbo (geez, the existing model blows up turbos bad enough) and what will likely be a costly maintenance hybrid system (battery will likely be in the many hundreds if not thousands).

[Shuga]

One thing that does concern me about these cars: the mild hybrid system and electric compressor.

It just sounds new and complex, with unknown long-term reliability. Also, I wonder if these cars will lose the spare tire as a result of these new additions?

That’s one thing the RS5 has over S6/S7 is that it doesn’t have that third turbo (geez, the existing model blows up turbos bad enough) and what will likely be a costly maintenance hybrid system (battery will likely be in the many hundreds if not thousands).

Lease it so when it fails it won’t be your problem lol

[1flossedS4]

Lease it so when it fails it won’t be your problem lol

Audi's lease horrific unless you don't care about money.

[1flossedS4]

$91,000 MSRP new A7's is making me laugh. Who spends this on an A car.

[Shuga]

Audi's lease horrific unless you don't care about money.

That’s not 100% true. They’re not the best if you want to buy it out at the end but other wise it’s not that bad.

[6BladeS]

Audi's lease horrific unless you don't care about money.

if you knew how much i was paying a month for my 2018 s6 you would not say such a thing, especially considering the fact that 2-3 other dealerships were trying to match the price i inevitably obtained. so, not sure as to the basis of your information.

i am paying quite a few hundred dollars less than the m3/m4's i was looking at originally for a car with a higher sticker than the m3/m4's i was looking at. i came from an M2

audi leases have always been incredible for the past 10 years or so in my experience, as me/my family have leased around of 4-5 audis for incredible monthly payments and extremely minimal down payments.

and, on topic, it feels like the US market looks like this now: s6 = rs6; a6 = s6

[ichi d]

Ya but your leasing a old Gen vs a new. Makes sense that you got such a great deal. Try to get the same rate when the new s6 comes out and I bet you can't.

[Shuga]

Ya but your leasing a old Gen vs a new. Makes sense that you got such a great deal. Try to get the same rate when the new s6 comes out and I bet you can't.

If you wait a few months after it comes out, yes you can.

You can’t lease a car when it first comes out the rates are stupid. I remember back when the F30 BMW came out. The starting rate was $800 for a BASE 335i Xdrive.

[6BladeS]

Ya but your leasing a old Gen vs a new. Makes sense that you got such a great deal. Try to get the same rate when the new s6 comes out and I bet you can't.

I obtained my deal before the new s6 was even formally revealed and before any dealers had any 2019’s.
at least two other audi dealers wanted as much for the s6 as the m3 at the time of the lease.

[Audibot]

Why does adding an electric compressor to the 3.0TDI give it an extra 100HP and 88 Lb-Ft of torque? But do the same to the 2.9T gas version and you get zero more HP and torque? I understand the reduced lag aspect, but come on...no extra power? I mean the outgoing 3.0TDI was what...248HP 428 lb-ft and this new one is 349HP and 516 lb-ft...that makes sense, but no love for the 2.9T? Is it going to get 35 mpg then with the electric compressor and mild hybrid? Magic 8-ball? "Don't count on it."

Actually outgoing top TDI in Europe is the biturbo, with one of those being an electric turbo. Produces 313 hp and 480 lb-ft. So not actually as large a leap as you are stating. I actually wish they had brought this TDI or the upcoming one to US, but "some people did some things" and that won't be happening.

The travesty part is marking an "S" version of the car, although there are SQ diesel variants.

One thing that does concern me about these cars: the mild hybrid system and electric compressor.

It just sounds new and complex, with unknown long-term reliability. Also, I wonder if these cars will lose the spare tire as a result of these new additions?

That’s one thing the RS5 has over S6/S7 is that it doesn’t have that third turbo (geez, the existing model blows up turbos bad enough) and what will likely be a costly maintenance hybrid system (battery will likely be in the many hundreds if not thousands).

They have a biturbo TDI with an electric compressor already in Europe (313 hp variant), and was also used on the RS5 TDI concept. So it's not an immature technology, and an electric turbo wouldn't blow up from oil strainers.

48 V system should be relatively stable. I do agree on the battery (and the tendency for Lithium Ion batteries to catch fire/explode). The rest of this stuff is fairly developed. No spares though--that's a trend I see continuing.

[Frenetic]

Yeah, I cannot stand run flats. That factor alone plays a big part in my car-buying decision.

[MadMaxD]

Unless the RS6 comes here, I’m out on the C8.

[Kodachrome]

Quite a few of you will indeed go buy it when it comes, and the rest of you will be kicking yourselves when the inevitable turbo failure hits you on the 4.0t.

Don't be so quick to assume, several of us are doing a fair amount of preventative work to mitigate that chance. I have no issues with the new builds and I am certainly not married to the V8. In fact, my hope is to have an S4 e-Tron in about 5-6 years and maybe a nice clean but used R8 V10+ as my only gas burner for the occasional romp.

Hopefully folks can get passed this chest beating, I generally take this place to be better than that.

[phaphaphooey]

lmao - you guys are hilarious. Quite a few of you will indeed go buy it when it comes, and the rest of you will be kicking yourselves when the inevitable turbo failure hits you on the 4.0t. We get the same complaints with every new Audi model and yet, no mass exodus each time. Not sure which direction I'm heading in when the time comes to replace my 2013, but I will certainly consider the new model when the time comes. I'm willing to bet it surpasses the C7 in every aspect except engine noise.

I specifically bought a C7.5 and didn't wait for the C8 because I knew the 2.9L V6 was coming and wanted none of it. What you said maybe true stock for stock. However, you are fooling yourself if you think that a tuned 2.9L V6 has anywhere the headroom to make the extra power that a tuned 4.0 V8 does. If you care about the aftermarket potential of the engine at all there is and will be no comparison. If you want to keep your car stock and have nothing but missionary sex the rest of your life the 2.9 V6 will suit you just fine.

[Brooklyn]

I get it brother. I'm in the same boat. Love the 4.0tt, notwithstanding the asspain that I'm now facing when I get home from this deployment of pressing my luck and waiting to see if it fails, or doing some sort of turbo upgrade. It's a great engine, but as we're starting to find out, there are some flaws and ultimately what we're talking about here is shitcanning a car based on the damn engine sound. How many S6 owners actually modify their engines? How many people out there wouldn't actually view the same or better power delivery out of a more efficient engine as such a huge negative that they write the car off? Audi sold 1,809 2013s - I'd be stunned if even 10% of those cars are modified. I sat in a C8 A6 briefly while home on R&R a few weeks ago. The C8 looks superior in almost every aspect except engine noise and subjectively, the styling. I have no doubt the aftermarket world will exploit the tuning potential. As they face increasingly difficult emissions requirements, the move to smaller more powerful engines is inevitable and if we could all afford RS cars to stay in a V8, we'd be in them! If tuning potential is all we care about, just take a look at the number of warranty questions that pop up daily w/r/t tuning, and of course, again, the specter of the turbos failing. Porsche has been kicking ass with arguably one of the greatest sports cars of all time across multiple generations with a 6-cylinder engine. Audi drops something similar in the S6 and the sky starts falling. My ultimate point though, is that every time we get a remodel, the usual whining pops up on these forums. "It's hideous!" "Not for me!" "I'm leaving the brand!" Doesn't matter the model - I saw the same thing with the transition over the years from the different S4 models. It's dumb. Guys haven't even seen the damn car yet or driven it. I bet somewhere out there is a guy with a C6 S6 clinging to it for dear life because "no V10? I'm out!" GTFOH with that nonsense. Glad you're not drinking that koolaid and at least willing to give it a chance. And I'm with you - if I can convince myself to drop $100k on a car, I'll be looking hard at the electric options at that point. My hope too is that Audi gets off its ass and puts out a product that matches Tesla's performance with Audi's attention to interior details.

Don't be so quick to assume, several of us are doing a fair amount of preventative work to mitigate that chance. I have no issues with the new builds and I am certainly not married to the V8. In fact, my hope is to have an S4 e-Tron in about 5-6 years and maybe a nice clean but used R8 V10+ as my only gas burner for the occasional romp.

Hopefully folks can get passed this chest beating, I generally take this place to be better than that.

[digdah]

I specifically bought a C7.5 and didn't wait for the C8 because I knew the 2.9L V6 was coming and wanted none of it. What you said maybe true stock for stock. However, you are fooling yourself if you think that a tuned 2.9L V6 has anywhere the headroom to make the extra power that a tuned 4.0 V8 does. If you care about the aftermarket potential of the engine at all there is and will be no comparison. If you want to keep your car stock and have nothing but missionary sex the rest of your life the 2.9 V6 will suit you just fine.

HAHAHAAAA! This made me laugh so hard my wife forced me to explain what was so funny. Awkward....

[black_ice]

Glad I got slightly used S7 instead of waiting.


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[rexus300]

With all those V8 turbo failures and issues with the transmission on current S7s, I am looking forward to getting the 2020 S7.

[Nez136]

With all those V8 turbo failures and issues with the transmission on current S7s, I am looking forward to getting the 2020 S7.

With all those turbo failures on the current and now the new v6 design I’m looking forward to getting neither, ever.

[snohman]

In my observation, there has only been a few cases of stock cars blowing turbos. Most incidents occur with a tune and the earlier models - doesn’t mean that it’s unavoidable in either scenario but there is a reason most people understand it’s pay to play.

[MadAboutCars]

I'm glad I got the last new C7.5 RS6 here, at an amazing run out price, complete with a 5 year warranty. I've tried the C8 A6 interior and it just wasn't for me. The center console especially looked cheap and very non Audi. In 3 to 5 years I'm hoping Audi will have made some changes...

[FourRings115]

lmao - you guys are hilarious. Quite a few of you will indeed go buy it when it comes, and the rest of you will be kicking yourselves when the inevitable turbo failure hits you on the 4.0t. We get the same complaints with every new Audi model and yet, no mass exodus each time. Not sure which direction I'm heading in when the time comes to replace my 2013, but I will certainly consider the new model when the time comes. I'm willing to bet it surpasses the C7 in every aspect except engine noise.

I will not be coming back to the S6. Partly because of the TTV6, partly because I made my deal with the wife that if I got a Porsche then we don’t need the family car to be a harder edged sports sedan. So she gets her Range Rover next time, and I just got my Cayman. Bye bye Audi after 4 in a row.

[digdah]

I will not be coming back to the S6. Partly because of the TTV6, partly because I made my deal with the wife that if I got a Porsche then we don’t need the family car to be a harder edged sports sedan. So she gets her Range Rover next time, and I just got my Cayman. Bye bye Audi after 4 in a row.

You are lucky you have a company car. I drove the Cayman GTS at the Porsche Experience center in Atlanta and loved it. It handles like a dream and with the right package(s) sounded and looked great. However, I would not replace my S6 with the Cayman just because it is 2 door and goodness Porsche nickles and dimes for each button. The S6 to me give me enough luxury with space and performance that it ticks too many boxes to be easy to replace. If/when the turbos go...here comes Stage 3!

[FourRings115]

You are lucky you have a company car. I drove the Cayman GTS at the Porsche Experience center in Atlanta and loved it. It handles like a dream and with the right package(s) sounded and looked great. However, I would not replace my S6 with the Cayman just because it is 2 door and goodness Porsche nickles and dimes for each button. The S6 to me give me enough luxury with space and performance that it ticks too many boxes to be easy to replace. If/when the turbos go...here comes Stage 3!

No new Porsche for me either- it is a 2014 built out by a 20 year PCA instructor. Suspension mods, limited slip diff, exhaust, roll/harness bar. Perfect car for me to grow into. I don’t even buy new Audi’s- always something about 1-1.5 years old CPO.
The company car gives me flexibility when the wife has the Audi, but I can pretty much guarantee my kids will demand we take the Cayman (obviously only if I am bringing one), even if we have to walk the 6 blocks to the garage where I am keeping it.

[digdah]

No new Porsche for me either- it is a 2014 built out by a 20 year PCA instructor. Suspension mods, limited slip diff, exhaust, roll/harness bar. Perfect car for me to grow into. I don’t even buy new Audi’s- always something about 1-1.5 years old CPO.
The company car gives me flexibility when the wife has the Audi, but I can pretty much guarantee my kids will demand we take the Cayman (obviously only if I am bringing one), even if we have to walk the 6 blocks to the garage where I am keeping it.

I'm losing my company car this week because of a change in roles. No doubt it gives so much flexibility but I want my driveway clear..prefer things that way. Looks like you got a great car already hooked up. I have purchased one car new in my life and have sworn never ever again to do so. Just not worth it.

[Dr Chill]

IMO the RS5 sportback is a WAYYYYY better car. Faster, Lighter, Just as much tech, almost as nice interior, nicer exterior, RS prestige, etc. I see little to no reason to get an 85K S6 or 7 over a similarly priced RS5 sportback. I think Audi really dropped the ball on the S6/7. I understand the V6 in the RS5, but in the big and heavy Audi S6/7 RIDICULOUS! I think BMW M550 and E43 sales are about to go up!

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It would easy the pain a little. Wagon S6 looks WAY better than the sedan/A7.

Drove a new RS5 on an extended test drive, bought a leftover 2018 for $20,000 less (MSRP only $2000 less) S6 has much nicer motor and is nicer car overall. 2020 S6/7 with 2.9T will be a disappointment for prior C7 S6/7 owners, except for the electronics.

This is our 3rd C7/7.5 S6. Fantastic car and an outstanding value if you can get one.

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[Commonwealth109]

After reading about the 2020 S6, and seeing some other new models at the dealership the other day -
1) prices keep going up
2) cylinders are going down
3) hybrid this & electric that
4) the bulky plastic squares do look awful
5) the all glass / screens interior is definitely different. Higher tech yes but also a colder look, not as luxurious looking.
So:
1) I will hold on to my ttV8 a little tighter now, lol.
2) I have a feeling car guys and/or older (50) guys like me will like a bit of analog, V8 engines, etc. for a while, and will have to be dragged kicking & screaming as every car maker heads towards being a Tesla.
3) This doesn't make what Audi is doing right or wrong, or what I like right or wrong.

[Pabla]

I’m just happy they got rid of the dual clutch gear box, it was so clunky on my ‘13 s7 and it didn’t seem any faster than the 8spd in my rs7.

[blinx9900]

Ew, might as well just get a mercedes e43/e53 now. Both v6 and the merc has better interior. The V8 was the saving grace of a dated interior.

[Dr Chill]

I’m just happy they got rid of the dual clutch gear box, it was so clunky on my ‘13 s7 and it didn’t seem any faster than the 8spd in my rs7.

Having owned a 2014, 2017, and now a 2018 S6, I can say that there was a significant improvement in the smoothness of the DCT in the later models than the 2013 and 2014 models. Not sure if it was hardware related but suspect it was probably more software than anything.

We're definitely keeping this one for a while. But if the S6 Avant crosses the ocean, my wife might change her mind.

[MadAboutCars]

Yes, the DCT in my MY16 S6 after a firmware update was very smooth. Prior to that it was a clunky mess in sports mode. They made a lot of changes to the DCT in the C7.5.

[Shuga]

Ew, might as well just get a mercedes e43/e53 now. Both v6 and the merc has better interior. The V8 was the saving grace of a dated interior.

You gotta go with the E63. The E43/53 is just a nock off AMG.

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Having owned a 2014, 2017, and now a 2018 S6, I can say that there was a significant improvement in the smoothness of the DCT in the later models than the 2013 and 2014 models. Not sure if it was hardware related but suspect it was probably more software than anything.

We're definitely keeping this one for a while. But if the S6 Avant crosses the ocean, my wife might change her mind.

What made you go from a 17 to 18?

[Dr Chill]

You gotta go with the E63. The E43/53 is just a nock off AMG.

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What made you go from a 17 to 18?

Getting a new 18 at $22,000 off MSRP. Just being an opportunist while satisfying my car purchasing addiction and simultaneously getting brownie points from the wife for upgrading her car out of the blue.

[jgoldstein2000]

Getting a new 18 at $22,000 off MSRP. Just being an opportunist while satisfying my car purchasing addiction and simultaneously getting brownie points from the wife for upgrading her car out of the blue.

that 2018 discount was crazy


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[Shuga]

Getting a new 18 at $22,000 off MSRP. Just being an opportunist while satisfying my car purchasing addiction and simultaneously getting brownie points from the wife for upgrading her car out of the blue.

Ah I see lol.

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that 2018 discount was crazy


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They still are crazy