Which tune/chip to get? A4 2019

[Mali9691]

Hey guys,
So I just joined this forum a few days ago but have been following it for a little while now. Really wanna get my car tuned but need help deciding. Thank you in advance.

I just got a 2019 a4 premium plus and i absolutely love it. I did originally wanna get a s4 but for the price difference a buddy of mine said to just get an a4 tuned up.

My question is which chip should i get? I’ve been researching for a few days now. I looked at the jb4, the apr, race chip, and chip werke. I want something that won’t void the warranty, is there anything like this? Tell me about your Hp gains and the type of chip you guys used too!

[Shawn@PacificGerman]

You missed Revo in your list!

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...A4-Mega-Thread

Our A4 is the most powerful in the USA. Our shop car is currently Stage 2 and made 286whp/343tq on a Mustang dyno, and via Dragy GPS data acquisition we have knocked out a 12.00 1/4 mile and 3.7 0-60mph.

For any tuning we strongly recommend to have the car flashed back to stock before any dealer visits to reduce the risk of any issues. We have countless customers so far who have had no issues.

Here is the link to the Stage 1 Revo software page - https://www.onlyrevo.com/product-det...5-/260/stage-1

And here is a link to the dealer locator - https://www.onlyrevo.com/dealer-locator

Of course if you are in Southern California then we can assist with making your car faster

[blitz869]

Hey guys,
So I just joined this forum a few days ago but have been following it for a little while now. Really wanna get my car tuned but need help deciding. Thank you in advance.

I just got a 2019 a4 premium plus and i absolutely love it. I did originally wanna get a s4 but for the price difference a buddy of mine said to just get an a4 tuned up.

My question is which chip should i get? I’ve been researching for a few days now. I looked at the jb4, the apr, race chip, and chip werke. I want something that won’t void the warranty, is there anything like this? Tell me about your Hp gains and the type of chip you guys used too!

If you use the search feature there’s tons of info on this question.


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[Mali9691]

Yes but i couldn’t find anything with exact info on comparisons or warranty voiding. So i was like let me just start a new discussion lol. Really hope to get some knowledge from my Audi people!

[blitz869]

Yes but i couldn’t find anything with exact info on comparisons or warranty voiding. So i was like let me just start a new discussion lol. Really hope to get some knowledge from my Audi people!

There is no tune option with warranty. Unless the dealer sells the tune or your paying for 3rd party warranty.


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[Mali9691]

How about something that i can easily take out for service at the dealership. My car is leased so i don’t wanna risk it too much but i need those gains lol

[volcomic]

There is no tune option with warranty.

https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_u...i_gen3_b9.html

[blitz869]

https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_u...i_gen3_b9.html

If you read my whole comment, it says unless your paying for 3rd party warranty. If you buy the apr tune for $699 you then have to buy their “limited power train warranty” for an additional $1100.


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[volcomic]

If you read my whole comment, it says unless your paying for 3rd party warranty. If you buy the apr tune for $699 you then have to buy their “limited power train warranty” for an additional $1100.

Just be clear, it's not an additional $1100, it's $1100 all together for the "APR Plus ECU Upgrade with a Limited Powertrain Warranty". If you're really worried about a warranty after a tune, an extra $400 isn't too bad.

[Mali9691]

Thanks guys! I mean how often does the powertrain fail due to tunes, really? Like would I be good it’s brand new, and i don’t plan to do competition racing just a little extra juice occasionally. Also how bout the race chip it looks like a plug that could be taken out in like 5 mins.

[blitz869]

Just be clear, it's not an additional $1100, it's $1100 all together for the "APR Plus ECU Upgrade with a Limited Powertrain Warranty". If you're really worried about a warranty after a tune, an extra $400 isn't too bad.

My bad, I didn’t notice it included it in the $1100. I agree with you that $400 isn’t a bad deal at all. It would only depend on if you have a authorized APR Dealer in your location.


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[blitz869]

Thanks guys! I mean how often does the powertrain fail due to tunes, really? Like would I be good it’s brand new, and i don’t plan to do competition racing just a little extra juice occasionally. Also how bout the race chip it looks like a plug that could be taken out in like 5 mins.

Things happen, a totally stock car can have issues. It’s really up to the dealer discretion to say warranty it or flag it as TD1 and void your warranty. It’s the chance you take. I’ve had the JB4 on my Golf R and never had issues with the dealer. I remove it every time it goes in for work though.


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[Mali9691]

Can they tell that you had it when you go in for service and you’ve taken it out? I read something about flashing your car stock but don’t know about that. I was thinking jb4 and just using the set maps too, is it really hard to put in and do you get the engine lights and what not?

[blitz869]

Can they tell that you had it when you go in for service and you’ve taken it out? I read something about flashing your car stock but don’t know about that. I was thinking jb4 and just using the set maps too, is it really hard to put in and do you get the engine lights and what not?

I believe the jb4 is a lot harder for the dealer to detect. If you completely remove it from the car they would have to dig really hard to find something. I’ve never had issues with them doing warranty work though. So knock on wood! As for install there’s 2 options for the JB1/4 the jb1 has 3 plugs and that’s it. The jb4 comes with some extra connections. If you just want the easiest option, I would go with the JB1. You still get really strong performance numbers.


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[hipendicular]

Like what Blitz said, I think you are looking for a JB4/JB1 or a neuspeed power module "Piggy back" tuner vs a "Tune".

A tune is where you download new parameters into the stock ECU to give you more boost than what the stock tune will allow. These Engines can handle a lot more boost than they give us from the factory.

A piggy back Tuner is a device that intercepts the stock boost and manifold sensors and tricks the ECU to give you more boost. The stock ECU will just relearn the new boost levels and compensate.

A tune will throw a flag that will show up if the dealer scans your computer called "TD1". This tells the dealer that someone has tampered with the stock tune. The dealer can void your warranty if they see this but from what I've read its iffy if they even dig that deep.

A piggy back might not give you as much power as a full tune but the dealer can not tell for sure that anything is different when you remove it. I can tell you that I've had my Neuspeed Power module on my 2017 VW sportwagen and then transferred it to my Audi when I traded it in and with multiple visits on both, I've never been told anything.

The NS PM takes me about 5 mins to install or remove on the B9 Audis (I've installed it on my 2017 A4 and a 2018 Q5 loaner (just for yucks)) and takes even less time to remove. The JB1 I believe is close to NS PM for installation but the JB4 requires a wire to be run to interior as it needs to plug into the OBD2 port under the dash.

The JB4 is the most tuneable (you can make more HP with bolt ons and tinker with it) and I believe the JB1 is supposed to be a bit smoother than the NS PM but figuring I got my NS PM for $150 used, you can't complain. Its a good bump in power but you might not notice right away as the ECU has to learn but you will feel it when you take it out (on the way to the dealer..LOL).

Once my warranty is up, I'm ditching the piggy back and going with a tune but until then... long live my warranty (to which my car has been at the dealer for the last month due to a rattle).

Ken

[Mali9691]

Thank you guys soo much for your input. Man that just made everything so much more clear. Few more questions,

Does any lights pop up on the dash with adding the Ns pm to your a4? I read so many complains with ecb or something.

Could i use a jb1 on a b9 a4 or would it have to be the jb4 because that one looked a lot more time consuming to out on and looks like a lot of risks running it.

Just to clarify your saying jb1/4 and nspm both would be pretty undetectable from the dealership, from your experience?

And last, where did you get that for 150 i need that hook up lol showing like 400 on there website.

[hipendicular]

Hey, Sorry I forgot to write that part in my reply. I had it on my first attempt but my computer was acting up so I had to log off and log back on and then forgot..

But Yes, I did get a CEL on both my VW and the Audi with the Neuspeed PM. Both times it was a "Boost performance sensor" code and both times I just cleared it and it never came back.

Currently my Audi is at the dealership for a passenger side Air bag sensor and a rattle coming from my drivers side rear fender. I also turned it in for a leaky rear shock before I did the EMD springs (thank you EMD for letting me know about that). I had my vw in the dealership twice for a faulty nav and two other times for oil changes. They haven't said anything. I can't imagine how they could tell I had a piggy back on there. Maybe they didn't look but my VW SA did say that they do test drive them and they will know if you did a tune. So make sure you at least flash it back to stock.

Every time I take my car in for Warranty, I'm super glad I can reverse the stuff I did to the motor. I'm not a good liar and would take my punishment for modifying the engine if I got denied...

I got my NS PM on VW Vortex classifieds. I've seen them go for around that after I got mine.. sometimes cheaper. Just make sure you get the right one. NS makes a few and I think its just different lengths of wire and maybe different connectors but the one for the 2015-current GTI will work on the B9 chassis cars..

Lastly, Neuspeed told me that i can run the PM on the race gas setting as long as I don't use it at a track or doing a lot of boosting like a high speed run. I've run both cars on that setting and its nice but I'm too chicken to leave it there.. LOL

[Jimmy ny]

Keep it simple. JB1 or Neuspeed power module. With nothing your never totally safe , but just remove the piggyback before any dealer visit. ANY visit. Remove.


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[Mali9691]

Thanks guys!

I just talked to good friend that works at an Audi dealership and he was telling me they don’t really care about tunes. He said “ we prefer to keep your warranty because we can bill Audi more for work being done than we can bill the customer”! Great news for us haha

Speaking about flashing it before visits is that something simple to do? Or is that just code for taking it out lol

Ima take a look around for a cheaper price because 150 sounds better than 400, maybe someone switching to apr or something 🤞

[volcomic]

I just talked to good friend that works at an Audi dealership and he was telling me they don’t really care about tunes. He said “ we prefer to keep your warranty because we can bill Audi more for work being done than we can bill the customer”! Great news for us haha

Speaking about flashing it before visits is that something simple to do? Or is that just code for taking it out lol

I'm sure it can differ with each dealer, but what your buddy said has been my experience exactly. The techs don't give a shit what you've done to the car (anecdotally all of the techs at my dealer have modified cars ). They have no reason to deny your repair because of a tune because they bill AoA for the warranty work anyways. As for flashing back to stock, or removing a device before service; If nothing breaks, they're not going to look. If something breaks and they look at logs they're going to know it was flashed regardless.

[Mali9691]

I got ya!

Anyone trying to sell me there jb1 for a b9 a4 haha definitely interested!!!

[volcomic]

Anyone trying to sell me there jb1 for a b9 a4 haha definitely interested!!!

I'd vote to skip that and get a real tune

[Mali9691]

Baby steps brotha baby steps lmao

[Jimmy ny]

Not true. They will scan your Ecu. Part of the warranty process. If you have a tune they will flag you TD1 and void warranty. Simple 100% accurate.
I’m not even gonna get into the piggy’s.


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[turboale]

If you tune your car with a factory warranty you should be prepared to not have a powertrain warranty. That doesn't mean everything goes out the window automatically, but you are asking the car to perform outside what the manufacturer "designed" (more like allowed) it to do. If you really want to stick it to them legally they have to carry the burden to prove that your modification is what caused the issue. The thing is that this is vs Audi Corporate and they have a team of lawyers on retainer.

Personally... I'm just doing some bolt-ons while waiting for the factory warranty to end. Then stage 2-3 is only a turbo and tune away. It also gives the tuners some time to refine and really dial in their tunes.