Blackstone Oil Report Findings -

[5bngr]

A bit of context..
I've been running into the limp mode off idle/drivetrain malfunction warning issue since I bought the car, 4 months back. Only happens whenever I get stuck in heavy/stop & go traffic (anything over 1 hour & half). Audi says it is cosmetic and they're working on a fix (Still). This has been an known issue for a while now.
I'm super anal and wanted to make sure everything is in order before I decide to get my car tuned, so went ahead & got my oil analysis done. Here is a copy of my report (done at 3100 miles).
Blackstone said they didn't find any diluted fuel () but the extra metal findings (this is expected according to Blackstone) got me a bit nervous (Did I mention I'm super anal?). Anyone with expertise on this care to comment? Are the extra metal amounts found indeed expected/normal for our cars? Thx.

[CornWood]

A bit of context..
I've been running into the limp mode off idle/drivetrain malfunction warning issue since I bought the car, 4 months back. Only happens whenever I get stuck in heavy/stop & go traffic (anything over 1 hour & half). Audi says it is cosmetic and they're working on a fix (Still). This has been an known issue for a while now.
I'm super anal and wanted to make sure everything is in order before I decide to get my car tuned, so went ahead & got my oil analysis done. Here is a copy of my report (done at 3100 miles).
Blackstone said they didn't find any diluted fuel () but the extra metal findings (this is expected according to Blackstone) got me a bit nervous (Did I mention I'm super anal?). Anyone with expertise on this care to comment? Are the extra metal amounts found indeed expected/normal for our cars? Thx.

Motors tend to wear heavier during the initial breakin. I assume this is the original factory fill oil?

In most cases, changing oil after the first 1k miles is recommended. I was surprised to see Audi doesn't recommend changing the oil until the 10k mark.

[Sdesroc]

From my understanding it’s common earlier in the car’s life (why I did my oil change at 3k miles - did I mention I’m also anal?). Was this the original oil from the factory? If so I’d expect at least this much. Of course I’m no expert on the topic but I’ve always been told the first oil change is the most important because of the metal/Silicon getting into the oil easier.


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[shivaswrath]

Damn if you guys are anal then I'm an elephant anus. I did at 1500 miles then 5k and then 7.5k. after that every 6 months or 10k.


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[Jeff_Jeske]

I've run blackstone on all of my vehicles. You won't really get a feeling for the report until a pattern forms. When I built my motor I changed the oil at 500 miles then 1000 and finally 3000. Each time the contaminates were reduced. That was a good sign. If they had gone the other direction I would know bad things were happening.

[5bngr]

I've run blackstone on all of my vehicles. You won't really get a feeling for the report until a pattern forms. When I built my motor I changed the oil at 500 miles then 1000 and finally 3000. Each time the contaminates were reduced. That was a good sign. If they had gone the other direction I would know bad things were happening.

This makes sense. I plan to do my next oil change/oil report analysis at 6k. Hopefully it'll trend in the right direction. And yes, this was the original oil from the factory, changed @3.1k miles.

Thanks for the replies guys. Good to know I'm not alone in the Anal department

Here is my to do list before even considering getting a tune

1 - first oil change/report analysis - done.
2 - Get car dynoed to make sure is within stock specs & establish a good baseline - Ready for it. Can anyone recommend a good shop in the NY Tri-State area? ideally, I would also use them for future mod installs.
3 - Second oil change report analysis @6k - Fingers crossed for trending in the right direction
4 - Third oil change/report analysis @9k. Just to verify trending.
5 - Wait (Maybe) for Audi to fix the damn Limp mode off idle/Drive Train malfunction warning issue. Audi, how long will this take for Christ sake!?

[RS3TP]

My RS3 has 3,000 kms on it now and I got the Drive Train Malfunction warning at about 800 kms. They told me to put better fuel in, they thought it was the winter gas. I switched from 91 Shell to 94 Sunoco and never had the problem again? Call it coincident? Not sure .. just sharing my experience.

[Aramze]

2 - Get car dynoed to make sure is within stock specs & establish a good baseline - Ready for it. Can anyone recommend a good shop in the NY Tri-State area? ideally, I would also use them for future mod installs?

Jimmy @ The Shop in Southern CT. He just moved further up (Bridgeport), but his new facility is legit. His wife has Stage 2 TTRS.

[TheContrarian]

Given that within 2 years half of owners sell their car chasing the next shiny thing, I think oil analysis is academic in the modern car world.

[5bngr]

Given that within 2 years half of owners sell their car chasing the next shiny thing, I think oil analysis is academic in the modern car world.

I agree with you. I, however keep my cars on average, 4-5 years. As such, I want to try, as much as possible, to try and mitigate any issues with the car if I decide to get it tuned. Call it piece of mind, knowing you're starting with a clean, perfect running car.

[tegxsi]

I did a UOA at 4k. Blackstone basically said the same thing. Metals are elevated since the engine is still breaking in.
I hardly had any fuel dilution and low TBN seems to be typical for 504.00/507.00 oils.

[Potatohead_RS3]

I did a UOA at 4k. Blackstone basically said the same thing. Metals are elevated since the engine is still breaking in.
I hardly had any fuel dilution and low TBN seems to be typical for 504.00/507.00 oils.

they stay in the 2.5 - 3 range for very long time, definitely not linear

[Tax Lit]

A bit of context..
...
I'm super anal and wanted to make sure everything is in order before I decide to get my car tuned, so went ahead & got my oil analysis done. Here is a copy of my report (done at 3100 miles).
...

Are you a fellow former e92 m3 owner? Those forums were full of "Here's my blackstone report. Is my engine about to explode?" threads.

[5bngr]

Are you a fellow former e92 m3 owner? Those forums were full of "Here's my blackstone report. Is my engine about to explode?" threads.

I am not. I did provide some context as to why I did the oil analysis. Limp mode off idle issue/drive train malfunction warning, as well as making sure the engine was being broken in properly before getting a tune. See my initial post..
There have been some (rare) instances where fuel was getting mixed/diluted into the engine oil. Look up Limp mode off idle issue/drive train malfunction warning..Better safe than sorry.

[V8Bait]

Anyone have any more black stone reports I can see? Thanks!

[purekoryo]

Very normal. In fact good. Next time check for TAN (acidity).

[sfritz]

Anyone have any more black stone reports I can see? Thanks!

Here’s my latest.

Stage 1+ current
Tuned from day 1
First oil change was running all on 93 octane
Last oil change was almost 100% on E85
Had to add a bit of oil on this second fill
Blackstone noted most metals down except aluminum stayed constant from first analysis

[Mkai0]

Im' loving this thread. Please keep results coming guys! I'm currently at 1200 miles and will be doing an oil change soon along with a Blackstone Analysis.

[P5stunna]

Why are you guys so anal and why do you choose the word anal to describe the way you are? That belongs on a different type of forum. Just sayin.

[V8Bait]

This is about 9000 miles on full E85 and a hybrid turbo stock motor roughly 650whp. Everything looks good minus the high aluminum content which is looking more normal. I just did a track day (road course) and beat on my car for 2 twenty minute sessions. Going to have it checked again

[AeyBeCei]

Its nice to know another person in the Tri-State Area has an Rs3. I would recommend the shop CT as well. Feel free to add me on the gram rs3pected, I live in the Queens area, itll be nice to meet up and see how your car performs after some modifications.

[fast16]

Its nice to know another person in the Tri-State Area has an Rs3. I would recommend the shop CT as well. Feel free to add me on the gram rs3pected, I live in the Queens area, itll be nice to meet up and see how your car performs after some modifications.

I believe I saw your RS3 on Teggy's IG. I should be getting delivery of my RS3 soon here. I live up in Washington Heights.

[AeyBeCei]

Dont mean to thread jack.

Awesome we should all meet and chill.

[5bngr]

I live in LI now but used to be up in Washington Heights back in the day. Love to meet up!

[rcaro900ss]

I can recommend Tyrolsport in Brooklyn. They have worked on all my Audis. That includes my 1995.5 Audi S6 road course track car, that they built. They are currently building my 2019 RS3 for road course track work.

[S3DUDE]

So when you get these oil reports what do you suppose to do different as far is daily driving? do you go and change the oil so that you prevent more wear?. I can see doing these reports if you race a car professionally and your crew team is trying to try different oils on a dyno etc etc but for a daily driving normal user I just don't see an application. Just do the oil changes and let the engine be an engine, what else can you do? I really mean it, you get the report and now what's next?

[mugenr]

So when you get these oil reports what do you suppose to do different as far is daily driving? do you go and change the oil so that you prevent more wear?. I can see doing these reports if you race a car professionally and your crew team is trying to try different oils on a dyno etc etc but for a daily driving normal user I just don't see an application. Just do the oil changes and let the engine be an engine, what else can you do? I really mean it, you get the report and now what's next?

They are useful to know what's going on with your engine. As long as you have a portfolio and a pattern set if something changes you may be able to prevent a disaster. For example if they see excessive copper that may indicate that your bearings are going out.

Just an extra step in knowing what's going on with the engine you can react with preventative measures before something bad happens. It's not a bullet proof method, but it helps. And it's cheap, so why not?

[S3DUDE]

^^ I agree that the reports are very informative but is just one of these things where you don't have a whole lot of control other than maybe changing the oil more often to keep it healthier. how much do they cost? like $50? If I was doing road course a few times a year I would certainly consider doing the report at least once a year.

[Potatohead_RS3]

They're useful if you have a fleet or something and want to figure out how long you can make your oil change intervals. Most people here have no real interest in that and just change every 5k or whatever, so the value is really diminished. The reports only pick up metals at a micron level, if you have an engine coming apart chances are high the metal bits are much larger than that.

[mugenr]

^^ I agree that the reports are very informative but is just one of these things where you don't have a whole lot of control other than maybe changing the oil more often to keep it healthier. how much do they cost? like $50? If I was doing road course a few times a year I would certainly consider doing the report at least once a year.

The kits are free. just order one and they'll send it to you with all the packing materials and return postage. it's $27 for the analysis. I do HPDE throughout the year and just like to have these done from time to time. just as a check up or have another persons input. It's all just in case they see something really abnormal that warrants a further look. I'm not expecting them to solve any issues here.

You gotta take them for what its worth. it's not the end all be all. most people will never see issues. and some people might freak out over something irrelevant like a hypochondriac. These reports may actually be bad for a person with that type of personality.
For me this is just part of a regular physical, not a big deal.

[Don R]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...pgg/edit#gid=0

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...QnE/edit#gid=0

[V8Bait]

Very useful to someone like me who is pushing the button on the stock motor. 650whp 1/2 mile events and road course days at 580-600whp for 20 min sessions at a time. Form a pattern on what everything is looking like and if there are drastic changes it may be time to build the motor before it punches a rod through the block and really fucks your day up. It’s cheap insurance $27 more per oil change to keep an eye on everything.

^^ I agree that the reports are very informative but is just one of these things where you don't have a whole lot of control other than maybe changing the oil more often to keep it healthier. how much do they cost? like $50? If I was doing road course a few times a year I would certainly consider doing the report at least once a year.

[joszer]

Here are my results for reference. Mines been tuned on E85

[Don R]

Here are my results for reference. Mines been tuned on E85

What brand of 5W-40?

For these engines and power levels, anything less than a 40 grade shouldn't even be considered. 30 grade doesn't have enough film strength in comparison; it's only good for emissions & economy.
With the make-up of the bearings in this engine, an oil with good amounts of Zinc, Moly and/or Boron is be ideal.

[Potatohead_RS3]

What brand of 5W-40?

For these engines and power levels, anything less than a 40 grade shouldn't even be considered. 30 grade doesn't have enough film strength in comparison; it's only good for emissions & economy.
With the make-up of the bearings in this engine, an oil with good amounts of Zinc, Moly and/or Boron is be ideal.

This is not correct, assuming you're talking VW approved oils.

If you're comparing 504 vs 502 oils, the film strength is virtually identical. Both oils have a minimum HTHS (high temp, high shear) of 3.5, some will get up into the 3.6 range. They are either very thick 30 grades or very thin 40 grades. You are correct if you are comparing to a "regular" 5w30 oil which has HTHS typically 3.0-3.1. Some 5w40's such as Redline or Amsoil do have a higher HTHS, around 3.9, but these are really overkill unless on the track with sustained oil temps of 250+.

504 is what is used in virtually every VAG performance vehicle now, R8s, Performantes, etc, even when they are 'Ring tested. It is a very stout spec. At the end of the day the grade you "need" is almost 100% dependent on oil temperature.

[joszer]

What brand of 5W-40?

For these engines and power levels, anything less than a 40 grade shouldn't even be considered. 30 grade doesn't have enough film strength in comparison; it's only good for emissions & economy.
With the make-up of the bearings in this engine, an oil with good amounts of Zinc, Moly and/or Boron is be ideal.

That was the stock fill after I bought my car used. I ended up replacing it with Mobil 1 0w-40 from Walmart. I'm just about to hit 6,000 miles on that fill. I will send an analysis to compare.